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QuantumEdit

Nuka-Cola Quantum in FO4 isn't notable and should not be listed on location pages. It does not meet the rarity requirements as it did in previous games, nor is it used as a repeatable quest item. Great Mara (talk) 12:21, February 2, 2019 (UTC)

RE: Nuka-Cola Quantum as notable loot clarification Edit

As per our notable loot policy, items should only be listed at locations if they are unique, limited, expensive, or otherwise special. In Fallout 3, Nuka-Cola Quantum was limited and rare, and was therefore considered notable. In Fallout 4 and Fallout 76, however, Nuka-Cola Quantum respawns and is not used in any special occasion, so it is not notable.

However items such as mini nukes, fusion cores, Fat Mans, Vault-Tec lunchboxes, etc. are also often listed on pages, even though this violates the policy. So what's going on? It looks like there are many editors who (implicitly) disagree with the policy, and who think that e.g. Fat Mans are notable even though the policy says otherwise. Perhaps the policy is wrong.

I'm not sure what the solution is. I do know that the policy is currently applied inconsistently throughout the wiki, so there will be some places that have Quantums that are not listed on the page, and vice versa. It may be worthwhile to have a larger discussion about this; about whether the policy should be updated to be more broad, or whether the policy should be applied stricter and hundreds of pages should have their Quantums removed. Until then, Mara is technically right since he's applying the policy as intended, but I certainly understand why there could be a need to update the policy.
- FDekker talk 18:09, February 2, 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I would say that we should avoid adding more Quantums to the pages because they are not notable as per the current policy. At the same time, removing them from all the other pages does not seem necessary (yet), since I'm not certain what direction the policy should go in.
- FDekker talk 19:23, February 2, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Nuka Cola Quantum Edit

Sorry! I completely forgot to come back to you about this. Thanks for reminding me.

I'm really nudging towards including it simply because, you know, this is exactly what a wiki is for: to share this kind of information with each other. But I'll have to take this past Mara because if he doesn't know he might end up reverting all your edits. I've asked him on the wiki's Discord server so I hope he'll respond soon. I hope to have an update for you tomorrow but definitely before the end of the weekend.

Again, sorry for keeping you waiting for so long.

- FDekker talk 21:07, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

Mara is technically right that the current notable loot policy excludes items such as Nuka-Cola Quantum. On the other hand, this policy is severely outdated and was written with games such as FO3 and FNV in mind. Sadly, Nukapedia is sometimes troubled by its overly bureaucratic approach, and while many users have tried to update the policy in the past, they've always been met with silence and disinterest. I've decided I'll be doing a new attempt somewhere next week, but this time there will be some fresh new ideas that I think will make it pass. Once I've created the forum post I'll be sure to ping you for your input.
- FDekker talk 17:53, August 9, 2019 (UTC)
I had an exam earlier today so I didn't have time to write my proposal any earlier. Anyway, here is my proposal on how to change the notable loot policy to cover items such as Nuka-Cola Quantums.
- FDekker talk 16:56, August 14, 2019 (UTC)
Hey FDekker, I read your proposal and it makes sense, you referenced adding Quantums, mini nukes, fusion cores, etc, but ironically they are already listed on about 95% or more of discoverable locations. The only reason it's not at 100% now is every time someone tries to make an addition an admin deletes the addition, however those items you mentioned were already on most of those pages to begin with. I made a few adjustments myself at specific locations as to where Nuka Cola Quantums are always located, but then Mara deleted both my explanation as to where to find the Quantum along with the Quantum itself. So the change you are proposing is already on a majority of the Fallout 4 wiki, nothing actually needs to be done, just a few minor additions here and there. Zj24 (talk) 23:16, August 16, 2019 (UTC)
That's another good point. As Janaschi said on the forum page this won't really need a vote or anything like I first thought since it's more about coming up with something to add to the notable loot policy page. If the de facto agreement is already that these items are notable that only makes it easier. I've started drafting my suggestions for the policy and hope to finish them this weekend.
- FDekker talk 10:22, August 17, 2019 (UTC)
Good grief that took me longer than expected. I'm very sorry for all the delays that you've had to endure in this but if you ever feel like adding Quantums to the pages then go ahead because Quantums have been added to the policy.
- FDekker talk 23:01, September 3, 2019 (UTC)
Hi FDekker, I really appreciate you getting back to me. Thank you for all your effort in actually getting this done. If I have any further follow up questions I will let you know. Zj24 (talk) 17:19, September 19, 2019 (UTC)
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