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Yes, it's been a long while. Hope you're doing well. I'm in Discord chat at the moment, I assume you have an account there. We can talk there if you still have time. Otherwise, tomorrow at an earlier time, check for me there then, ok? Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 20:05, August 13, 2019 (UTC)

I'm in Discord now, for another hour and a half or so I think. Probably later on tonight again. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 14:29, August 14, 2019 (UTC)

X-01 (Fallout 76) Gallery

By the way the Mothman Power Armor picture you added to the gallery of X-01 (Fallout 76) was not X-01 it was T-60. I removed it because it didn't belong, mean no offense, just thought I'd tell you. AssassinZ05 (talk) 16:24, September 13, 2019 (UTC)AssassinZ05

Nukapedia - Vault Merger: voting has reopened


As you may have already seen, voting for the proposed merger has been reopened. Voting was originally postponed so that users could better discuss the proposal, and after a lengthy conversation, that forum has since come to a close. For more information, please see the discussion itself. The post is a little lengthy, but if you are truly interested in making an informed decision, I would recommend reading through it.

Because this discussion may or may not affect how you voted initially or your rationale at the time, please review your post so that it reflects your current beliefs accurately.

This is only a notice of open polls and is not soliciting a change of vote. This is a generic talk page message intended for any and all voters, so as to avoid any indication of bias towards a particular outcome. Voting is slated to end on 5:01 pm November 1, 2019 (UTC).

The formal vote can be found here.


The Dyre Wolf (talk) 11:42, October 28, 2019 (UTC)

Nuka-Vault shindig

So am I to understand that we have had no discussions about this anywhere? I got a little bit from J but I need to hear it from you. It seems to vary a little.--Kingclyde (talk) 06:16, November 2, 2019 (UTC)

Template: Interactions univ

Hiya, I assume the auto conversion from Template:Interactions FO4 to Template:Interactions univ is your good work? Just wanted to see if this meant it was no longer necessary to convert the templates on the character pages while merging or whether best practice means I should really convert them to the Interactions univ version in source editor, even if it doesn't change what it looks like on the page. --L84tea Tea kettle.pngWould you like a cup of tea? 22:24, December 6, 2019 (UTC)

Oh cool, I'll just never worry about those again then! Don't forget the FO76 pages as well, they also use the FO4 template. :) --L84tea Tea kettle.pngWould you like a cup of tea? 22:20, December 9, 2019 (UTC)
All the Fo76 character pages weren't ready for the redirecting to interactions univ yet. I see unconverted pages in the Protectron category, people are trying to fix it now. Can you give it another look? Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 19:10, December 11, 2019 (UTC)


You message to me was a bit delayed already sorted it out a while ago

Thanks for fixing up westside though. User:Branebriar1930

Hub = Barstow, CA?

Hello! Telling the Hub being located in Barstow, you refered to Fallout Official Survival Guide. I've got a copy of this and found no mentions of Barstow. Maybe, I've missed something. Where exactly is it stated? --Л Лолайт 15:07, January 26, 2020 (UTC)

2019 NTV Board Badge

Thanks for chipping in as a board member and spitballing the "NTV" theme. As a thanks, here's a little badge. No pressure to use it, but it's yours if you want it.

FO76 Board.pngBoard Member 2019 NTV

Thanks again, The Dyre Wolf (talk) 14:49, January 27, 2020 (UTC)

Joyce West

Where did you find Captain West's first name? I see it created on The Vault here, but can't find it in a source file. Also, mind your references, on Cabbot it went wrong with a name tag reference. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 21:58, January 30, 2020 (UTC)

Ok, first name found in xEdit. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 22:34, January 30, 2020 (UTC)

Ghoul Whale

on the Ghoul Whale page ( it says Far Harbor creature as a category and features an image from the DLC, but those whale skeletons are never told to be Ghoul Whale skeletons, it would be like saying all of the shark or whale (idk what they are) bodies around the Commonwealth are all ghoul sharks or whales. I just thought I bring this to your attention as it is technically not true, I also didn't know if I should fix it or leave it the way it is, so I thought I'd just tell an Admin. --Zombieassassin 0V 23:30, February 23, 2020 (UTC)AssassinZ05

Timeline of major events

What's is the difference between Timeline and Timeline of major events? I see 480kb against 330kb but still the major event page is very large. Are you still working on that? Could more trimming down I hope. You also archived the Timeline page, but now with that one archive it wants 3 more talkpage archives. Do you know why? Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 16:49, April 25, 2020 (UTC)

Update names

Hey Tag. We've got a bit of a conundrum with the new updates to 76, and i would like to know your input. Jspoel has already responded and recommended asking you too. Basically, Bethesda chose not to officially name any of the new updates, and that makes our job a bit tougher. Based on asking around, consensus has divided into 3 major ideas.

  • 1) The Legendary Race, One Wasteland For All, Fractured Steel
  • 2) Summer 2020, Fall 2020, Winter 2020
  • 3) Name it case-by-case, based on the name of the designated season occuring at the time.

1) is based on the roadmap, and uses the names Bethesda uses on it. While not truly official, that is mine and Jspoel's personal preference, and conveys the main changes with the DLC in-line with others we've already seen (WA, NW, WL). 2) is playing it safe, not assuming, and being technical. Thats fine, but it looks and reads horribly, and is just abhorrent in my opinion. 3) is getting as close as possible to an official name, but its also too inconsistent and doesnt allow for very much pre-making of pages, for example.

Thanks, and sorry for the long message. If you would like, you can refer to Forum:Call for ideas: Renaming Fallout 76 add-ons for a bit more detail and input.--DankalorYT 15:15, May 23, 2020 (UTC)

  • Thanks Tag. Very helpful response.--DankalorYT 19:07, May 23, 2020 (UTC)

edit war

i am aware, apologies. busy discussing it in the talkpage--Branebriar1930 (talk) 13:22, May 31, 2020 (UTC)

Wanted images

I had a question about the files in Special:WantedFiles. Are these becoming available anytime soon? Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 10:27, June 5, 2020 (UTC)

Splitting junk pages

Could you give your opinion on Forum:Splitting junk item pages in FO4 and FO76? Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 11:50, June 7, 2020 (UTC)


PLEASE ban dreamcar already! he has forced dank to protect marcy long AGAIN, whilst insulting me because i remove his vandalism. He clearly is not going to learn and appears to be too immature or young to be constructive on this wiki--Branebriar1930 (talk) 10:17, June 12, 2020 (UTC)

FO3 quests

I see what you mean, though i think vandalism is a strong word. There is quite a big discrepancy in the amount of detail and emotive language in FO3 quest walkthroughs compared to FO4 and NV. I was under the impression that the wiki has evolved somewhat to have walkthroughs become more 'streamlined'. Having more information is fine but i think some of the less quest relevant information should be put in the notes section, more akin to how it is in the later games.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 12:30, June 20, 2020 (UTC)

oh ok cool, good idea.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 13:34, June 20, 2020 (UTC)

rhombus as high elder

Hey is there any actual evidence that rhombus became high elder.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 17:11, June 24, 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks, and does the bos main page really need to be locked down for the rest of us? its a pretty long lock down time for such a big and important page?.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 11:40, June 25, 2020 (UTC)

gnr quest

I removed quite bit from the galaxy news radio FO3 quest as it was filled to the brim with emotive language, fluff words and ridicules amounts of strategies, could you check it and make sure its fine?--Branebriar1930 (talk) 19:45, June 25, 2020 (UTC)


Why did you remove a section i added to the rhombus discussion?--Branebriar1930 (talk) 11:42, June 27, 2020 (UTC)

ah okay, no worries.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 15:44, June 27, 2020 (UTC)

r.e. metric/imperial

Well grammar is Americanised so i thought it out of place.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 19:25, July 1, 2020 (UTC)

Um...I have no idea what you just said. If that's an American expression its lost on me i'm afraid.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 19:25, July 1, 2020 (UTC)

Forwarding a Complaint

Knife Maker from discussions wanted to file a complaint against me with a bureaucrat. It was left on my talk page, so I'm just forwarding it to you.

I am registering this complaint against Dyre Wolf here for censorship of two notes neither of which violated rules. For a Thread entitled "Murica Day", I made two posts intended to point out the irony of how an independence day celebration of personal independence (not wearing masks) results in piles of human bodies which I satirized with new lines to the Star Spangled Banner. Before any discussion emerged, Dyre preemptively claimed I was trying to hijack the thread and eliminated my notes. This reflects poorly on his judgement as a moderator and on wikia's general stance to welcome a diversity of opinion so long as it is expressed in a civil and respectful manner.
I have not registered this complaint to a bureaucrat but the matter was serious and an egregious abuse of power.

If you have any questions for me after speaking with Knife Maker, just let me know. I will track down the post he's talking about and the warning left to him, and leave them here shortly. The Dyre Wolf (talk) 05:06, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Here's the thread where the reported posts were deleted, and here's the thread where the warning was issued. The Dyre Wolf (talk)

Walkthrough style guide

Regarding [edit]: I agree that we need a style guide for this. The current consensus as I understand it is that referring to the player directly (using second person pronouns or simply the word "player) is not allowed. I have been using Sole Survivor myself because I slightly prefer it to "player character" (and "one can" is indeed right out). I am not particularly attached to any style, but I would like to see a proper discussion had about this and an official style guide written up. Given your position, I think you're better equipped than I am to get that ball rolling; I have no idea who to even talk to about it :P P0cketpc (talk) 02:58, July 14, 2020 (UTC)

Made my day

Thank you so much for what you said on my admin application. It means the world to me, especially coming from you. I like it here a lot and will work hard to do a good job, with minimal (ok moderate) shenanigans <3 -Kate (Kdarrow (talk) 07:32, July 22, 2020 (UTC))

PS mods

A few of the links on your user page for your mods are being stubborn. I found them all on the nexus but thought you might want to know. I love them! Especially the newspaper one. That always bothered me, too! -Kate (Kdarrow (talk) 07:34, July 22, 2020 (UTC))

veteran paladin

So is veteran paladin a real rank in the Bos? JP said you put it their but i have never heard of it before?--Branebriar1930 (talk) 14:09, July 28, 2020 (UTC)

ah ok thanks--Branebriar1930 (talk) 16:28, July 28, 2020 (UTC)


So i understand that there have been talks about changing the ol' player character back to just player? I personally don't mind which it is but as someone who makes those changes a lot i just wanted to know if i should stop changing them or has the matter not been decided yet?--Branebriar1930 (talk) 14:17, August 16, 2020 (UTC)

Understood (on both points).--Branebriar1930 (talk) 20:12, August 16, 2020 (UTC)

Would you mind pointing out those elders for me? I'd like to add them to the elders page.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 20:42, August 16, 2020 (UTC)


Hi Tag

I don't know which bureaucrat to send this to so I'm sending all three the same message expecting that at least one of you will action it. Please remove my content mod rights as I will not be needing them anymore.

Ta. --L84tea Tea kettle.pngWould you like a cup of tea? 22:35, August 18, 2020 (UTC)

Soz mate, already done. Should have done this a long time ago tbh. Pretty sure you know my reasons and, if not, I don't really know what to say. --L84tea Tea kettle.pngWould you like a cup of tea? 06:58, August 19, 2020 (UTC)


Hey it's just me! Here to ask where I should put FOT Chimera Project 01.jpg? I added it to my sandbox for the meantime so it will stay safe <3 Just lemme know! -Kate (kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 10:20, August 20, 2020 (UTC))

Pioneer Scout answers page

I did not intend to come out biting on the talk page messages. Waited a day before responding, but still ended up there. While I stand by my criticism of the way the page was handled, it could have been worded for more constructively and far less accusatory. To understand where I am coming from, administrative staff, especially the crats, are the gate keepers to solutions, and they are collectively a group which is almost wholly focused on editing. Some visit discord, are once in a blue moon, one makes the very rare post on discussions. For most, Christ comes 'round more often than they do. I am used to the admin taking care of their own, squaring away all things editing, but ultimately doing very little to help when need on /d. The conceit as unfortunate as it is, is that if admin are not going to participate or help, at least they are quality editors who are contributing to the main site.

So after being directed to a page, proudly heralded by a crat as being something that was well needed, only to find it was slapped together the same as had been seen elsewhere and brought up in numerous merger discussions earlier in the year, it was more that aggravating. It was downright disappointing. You could have asked another user to help you or outright do it, if time was in short supply and finishing the page was not something that could be done in a timely manner. Could have at least added it to the clean up category so other editors who do routinely have the free time to work on the wiki could have addressed it. There's honest mistakes, but leaving it there, with a message only a few sentences in, that recognizes the page is not accurate to the point that it necessitates linking to a separate page for the very information that this page exists to cover? That's not right. So talk of proper pages, considering the page we were discussing? It's a hell of a thing to just pawn that update on someone else.The Dyre Wolf (talk) 10:49, August 25, 2020 (UTC)

dead man's burden

Hey so i got into a debate with mintcondition about the proper source of the term "white man's burden" and its eponymous perk. Can i ask for you to please weigh in?--Branebriar1930 (talk) 10:44, September 3, 2020 (UTC)


Hey Tagz, I was wondering if you could point me in the right direction to reclaim my original username instead of the one with the "fduser" suffix. I tried to rename it via Special:UserRenameTool, but it didn't work because Kastera1000 was already taken (gee, I wonder who took it? ;) ). Thanks, Kastera1000-fduser (talk)

Yeah, I've been visiting the wiki more now that I've started another FNV playthrough. I keep finding locations that seem like they have no loot and the wiki confirms that (like the ant mount and the Basincreek building, unless you count a few bottles of soda as loot). It also took me ten years to realize the All American is an absolute beast; I have no idea why I never used it before now. --Kastera1000-fduser (talk)

CamelChip sponsor

Hey, Tag

I'd like to officially sponsor the user CamelChip for consideration regarding Patroller rights. They are a hard-working and diligent editor, and I feel like they'd be a perfect fit for the role. Don't really have much more to add onto that - their editing contributions more than speak for themselves. 寧靜 Fox.png 18:15, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Content moderator

Hey so I was thinking about running for CMOD soon since there seems to be a bit of a shortage of them ATM. Was thinking I would run upon hitting 10k edits (just a personal milestone) and i was just wandering if, a) i even qualify, and b) how do i put myself up for CMOD?--Branebriar1930 (talk) 16:39, September 18, 2020 (UTC)

Alright cool, and thanks for the endorsement.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 09:15, September 23, 2020 (UTC)

Alright so i have my request written out. Do i just submit it to the forum or am i missing anything?--Branebriar1930 (talk) 10:24, September 23, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the endorsement

Thanks for the endorsement and vote Tag.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 20:40, September 24, 2020 (UTC)

vote duration

For some reason my vote duration was set for twelve days instead of the usual week. I have changed the pole to end on the 30th as per the standard week duration for votes, hope there are no problems.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 10:43, September 28, 2020 (UTC)

Hey so i thought the vote was suppose to last a week but now it has extended a couple of days, is that normal?--Branebriar1930 (talk) 09:58, September 30, 2020 (UTC)

Doesn't need to be replied to, I've solved it already. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 10:54, September 30, 2020 (UTC)


Hey so I saw your comment and I agree. Senior scribe really does not do his position justice, no matter what the guide says. Senior scribe would imply that he is under the three proctors. I have changed his rank back to head scribe, might get some backlash though.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 18:25, October 6, 2020 (UTC)

Special pages

Hello love. Just me, needing your help as normal. I review a handful of the maintenance reports each day and noticed they have not been updating this week (last time was 10/5). Do you know why this could be? The reports I am especially interested in are double and broken redirects, uncategorized images, and wanted templates and categories. Thanks for holding my hand :) -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 10:32, October 11, 2020 (UTC)

Not sure if this is your handiwork, but looks like we got a refresh today. Either way, thank you! -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 17:18, October 14, 2020 (UTC)

Welcome Back.

Hello, it's me, The Atlas Corporation. It's been awhile and I've got to say, it's damn good to see you back in the game after all this time. Lord knows that Nukapedia needs somebody of your caliber to lift up its rather atrocious standards and make it somewhat credible. Anyways, I just wanted to say hi and that it's great to see you again.

P.S. could you please explain why the Vault is merging with Nukapedia? It seems like such a tragedy to see the Vault's stellar reputation ruined by Nukapedia, of all places.—Preceding unsigned comment added by TheChonChon (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Unified Community Platform

Errors after update:

  • ReferencePopups (doesn't work anymore) (partially fixed)
  • ArchiveTool (doesn't work anymore from "Common.js", use "importJS" instead)
  • Template "Games" (can't be seen)
  • Special:WikiActivity (deprecated)
  • Many css errors
  • Gallery tag errors
  • Special:Editcount (deprecated)
  • FormatNum (deprecated)
  • createbox tag (deprecated, use "inputbox" instead)

etc, etc, etc... good luck.


  • Thank U for the fix!!! ($1)

Regards, KPThug™


Would you mind if I asked you some questions relating to a few subjects on lore? TheChonChon (talk)-- 3:58 October 20, 2020 (UTC)

Questions 2

Here, if you don't mind. --TheChonChon (talk)-- 3:07 October 20, 2020 (UTC)


I'm asking for permission to post in the fallout fandom wiki for scope mods specifically for FO76.

So basically, I started playing FO76 again with a new character recently, and when I started modding guns and putting scopes on them, there was no preview for the scope so there was no way to tell if I actually liked that scope or hated it, causing me to lose out on junk if I didnt like that specific scope, I mean look at the godawful reflex sight for pipe guns lol. The fandom fallout wiki was great for getting the noob out of me in the past, so I tried looking at it for any kind of preview of the scopes, but there weren't any.

So then I made a YouTube video which basically includes previews for the scopes in FO 76 so you can actually see if you like the scope before your craft it. I don't have this scope problem anymore since I know how all of them look like now, but the people who just started playing won't. So I'm just asking for permission if I can embed the video limit for the specific scope pages on the wiki pages with timestamps for the scopes.


MrChicken YouTube (talk) 16:10, October 29, 2020 (UTC)


RE: Fort Abandon DD

If it's not an official Design Doc, but rather a fan made thing, I'm going to nuke it. We don't have fan made content like that as part of the general wiki. Unless you got some strong objection to it and a good reason to keep it I'm going to nuke it tomorrow. Richie9999 (talk) 20:35, October 30, 2020 (UTC)

Questions 3

1. How extensive is the Boomers' industrial capabilities? Can they manufacture everything that they need (i.e Fat Man Tactical Nuke Launchers, Mini Nukes, Missile Launchers and ammunition for their Howitzers) or is their industry limited to only a select few things? --TheChonChon (talk)-- 10:31 November 5, 2020.

2. What are your thoughts on the Legion having apparently taken over Bullhead City from the NCR? I personally think that there's absolutely no evidence to support this but everybody else here on Nukapedia thinks otherwise. --TheChonChon (talk)-- 10:31 November 5, 2020.

3. Is there any evidence to support the assertion that the Legion conquered Phoenix and Two-Sun at some point? The only thing to go off of in the case of Phoenix is Aurelius of Phoenix's name (which is hardly sufficient evidence, but I digress) and Two-Sun only ever gets mentioned by Raul Alfonso Tejada (who explicitly states that his time there was BEFORE the Legion ever came into being). Then there's also the fact that the Official F:NV Game Guide explicitly states that the Legion only controls NORTHERN Arizona to take into consideration, as well. --TheChonChon (talk)-- 10:31 November 5, 2020.

4. Do you agree with the assertion that the Legion would've been completely wiped out in the aftermath of the First Battle of Hoover Dam if not for the Divide Incident? Both Joshua Graham and Vulpes Inculta flat-out admit that the Legion would've been screwed if not for the NCR's primary supply line getting nuked. --TheChonChon (talk)-- 10:31 November 5, 2020.

I do appreciate your time and I thank you for sparing the time to answer my questions. 😊 TheChonChon (talk)-- 10:31 November 5, 2020 (UTC)

Questions 4

Good point on the Boomers. Makes perfect sense, I suppose. Except that the loading screen hint in question doesn't say that, though. It just very vaguely and rather confusingly states that all lands East of the Colorado belong to Caesar. If taken at its most literal sense, that would mean that the Legion controls everything up to the Eastern Seaboard (which they very clearly don't). Which is exactly why loading screen hints shouldn't be considered trustworthy sources, at the end of the day. At least the Official F: NV Game Guide is actually to-the-point and reliable enough to give us a clear picture. Alright, let me rephrase the question: if the Divide Incident never happened, the NCR got the necessary incoming reinforcements and General Oliver was replaced by a far more competent field commander (say Col. Hsu or Col. Moore), could the NCR have wiped out the Legion for good? After all, the Legion is hardly that numerous (we're talking at best 5,000-8,000 troops just to be incredibly generous, after all) and the NCR Army in its entirety is more than massive enough to kill them off completely. And again, your time is duly appreciated. --TheChonChon (talk)-- 3:34 November 6, 2020.

Hoover dam BTS

Hey I don't really understand that BTS you added to hoover dam but it has spelling errors and emotive language. Can it be edited?--Branebriar1930 (talk) 15:44, November 7, 2020 (UTC)

I understood the content just not the context. I was not sure if it was a direct quote or not.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 18:31, November 7, 2020 (UTC)


That's fine, I only changed their location because they were in the introductory paragraph in a bullet point list, which just looked strange.Branebriar1930 (talk) 11:24, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Caesar edits

Could you please look over the changes TheCHonCHon made to Caesar, he is saying things that seem to conflict with established lore, such the extent of legion's territory and how many tribes he has/had and providing fairly vague references.Branebriar1930 (talk) 09:10, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Questions 5

I understand that all sources must be taken into account, I'm only pointing out the illogical claim that loading screen hints (keyword there being HINTS) are tantamount to the "word of God" when they're only meant to serve as tiny breadcrumbs of information to get you started to begin with. And here's what's really boggling my brains: why do we explicitly know about Willow Beach, the Arizona Spillway and Ft. Aradesh falling to the Legion but not Bullhead City, a community that was both under direct Republic rule and formally annexed by the NCR? You'd think that that would at least warrant some kind of mention.

I don't mean any offense when I say this, but how in the holy Hell did you come to that conclusion? The NCR is 96 years-old by the events of F:NV, the Legion is 34 years-old. By the events of Fallout 2 in 2241, the NCR had a population of well over 700,000+ citizens (not including transients and non-citizens) and was already fielding entire DIVISIONS worth of troops (meaning TENS OF THOUSANDS of soldiers).

And that was 6 years before the Legion was ever even founded, for goodness sake. Back when Caesar was just a Follower of the Apocalypse by the name of Edward Sallow, Joshua Graham was just another Mormon dude and the Blackfoots tribe were the whipping boys of the Grand Canyon. Just looking at the fact that the NCR was around before Caesar was ever even born alone all but guarantees that the Legion couldn't so much as dream about having anywhere near as many soldiers as the NCR Army.

And don't even get me started on how the piss-poor life expectancy of Legion troops, chronically abysmal birth rates, skyrocketing pre-natal/infant/child mortality rates, hopelessly colossal miscarriage/stillbirth rates (all of which is caused by just the lack of modern medicine, medical technology and medical knowledge alone), the fact that the Legion is forced to both subject women to an extremely brutal form of sexual slavery and impose mandatory child quotas for all Legionaries to abide by owing to the Legion's severely chronic manpower crisis and the extremely savage attrition that would come with 34 years of non-stop tribal conquest and territorial expansion (even Legate Lanius himself, who's only been with the Legion for at best a couple of years, flat-out admits that the conquest of the East was an gruesomely bloody and hard-fought campaign) would make that literally impossible to accomplish within a 34-year timeframe.

And the idea that the Legion can match the Republic's monstrously mammoth industrial/manufacturing capacity is simply laughable. The NCR can mass-produce all manner of highly-sophisticated, state-of-the-art military-grade conventional firearms, high-grade, high-octane explosives and even top-of-the-line, high-end Energy Weapons whereas the Legion can't even figure out how to disarm basic Frag Mines, let alone make pitifully primitive Powder Charges, without the Courier's help.

The Legion can barely figure out how to craft laughably pathetic sheet metal "fortifications" (big deal, even the Fiends can create even better walls from railcars and concrete rubble) whilst the NCR can easily create military-grade concrete bunkers and even defend their major cities back West with forcefields and laser turrets (as evidenced by Shady Sands back as early as Fallout 2, which was almost a spitting image of the Institute).

Most Legionaries don't even have guns but rather have to get by with lawnmower blades lashed to sticks ("Machetes") and even bigger sticks with bits and pieces of sharpened scrap metal fastened to and jabbed into the tips ("Throwing Spears") for weapons whereas ALL NCR Troopers have guns (some even sport ENERGY WEAPONS). I'm sorry, but there isn't a snowball's chance in Hell of the Legion coming even remotely close to the NCR Army in terms of industry.

And the whole "physical conditioning edge" that's often attributed to Legionaries is hardly that significant. Even the Legion itself flat-out admits that they don't believe that it's possible to defeat an NCR Ranger in single combat while even basic NCR Troopers have perfectly demonstrated that they can defeat Legionaries in CQB as evidenced by Sgt. Andrews.

I don't know. The Legion was effectively shattered as a cohesive fighting force at the conclusion of the First Battle of Hoover Dam. Granted that maybe the NCR couldn't have killed every last Legionary and most certainly would've been faced with a bloody counter-insurgency campaign had they invaded Arizona in force, but the fact still stands. The Legion was a crippled, decimated force that couldn't have possibly recovered from a Republic counter-offensive of this scale. TheChonChon (talk)-- 6:50 November 13, 2020

Call to Action

There have been quite a few sweeping changes to the wiki lately, and now that the Unified Community Platform has come to fruition here, it's more important than ever for our leadership to get together and inspire innovative changes for the next generation of wiki editors/readers.

As someone who is somewhat inactive myself, I understand how life gets in the way, and I'll fully understand if many of you are unable to commit, but I'd still like to try my best to appeal to you all in getting involved in a few of our currently active projects; especially so since rights-users participating in our discussions/votes are at an all-time low, and many internal decisions are having to be made between a select few users, which is bad for building consensus on important matters.

As such, I would like to ask for you all to look into two of our most important projects right now, as it would mean a lot to me and the wiki if as many people as possible got directly involved in helping shape our future:

  1. The Vault Academy is a program for the training and acclimation of new and even veteran users, training them on how to get involved in the various facets of the wiki, as well as helping them build bonds with their fellow users. The program has kicked off in a big way, and we are in desperate need of more rights-users to sign on as mentors, as we're having to share multiple mentees between each mentor. If you're looking to leave your mark on the wiki, then signing onto TVA program will be your way of doing so.
  2. As a minor update, we now have a new plagiarism point of contact. Should you suspect plagiarized content is at play, please get into point with the user FDekker who will be the initial handler of all such cases going forward.
  3. We have an upcoming meeting of the minds coming up on the 20th of this month, and we need people to come forth and pitch their ideas for adapting to the recent UCP changes, and to possibly adopt some of the ideas that our new datamining friends have been pitching to us.

Thanks for your consideration, and I do hope to hear back from you all! Even if it is just some of you dropping by to check the place out and say a quick hello. 寧靜 Fox.png 14:07, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Should we list perks which affect food items in the infobox?

Hi Tagaziel, it was suggested that I contact a sysop for guidance. I recently made an addition to an item's infobox which was instantly reverted by a content moderator. That's irritating, to be sure, but this is a wiki, so there's always a possibility that will happen.

I have no problem with aligning articles to match the wiki's guidelines and consensus. In fact, that's what I was trying to do. The problem is that there doesn't seem to be a consensus for this specific issue. For fruits and vegetables, some Fallout 4 articles (eg. Carrot (Fallout 4)) use the perks parameter of the infobox to note which perks modify the item's effect. Other articles (eg. Mutfruit (Fallout 4)) do not. Whichever choice we decide is the best option for this wiki, I'd like to see it applied consistently. Having it one way for one article and a different way for another results in people like me trying to fix it, then feeling like they've wasted their time when their edits are reverted.

Thanks for listening. Ultimate Frog-Man (talk) 02:02, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the guidance! --Ultimate Frog-Man (talk) 14:46, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Cold war

There is a bit of problem with your changes to the Cold War page. You changed it to reflect the definition of a cold war in a general sense, when the rest of the page is actually describing THE Cold War, as in the event between the US and USSR. Any thoughts on how this can be resolved? Branebriar1930 (talk) 16:46, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


I have long been under the impression that protectrons, like securitrons, assaultrons, and robobrains, were not brand names, and thus not supposed to be capitalised. Is this not actually the case? Because i have been decapping them for a while now for the sake of consistancy.Branebriar1930 (talk) 18:23, 1 December 2020 (UTC)


The edits reverted you for inhabitants of Rivet city and megaton were inline with the layout of diamond city, where they don't list all the side quests necessary for their appearance, instead just saying optional (which is the term used for any player-choice scenario). Am I missing something? Branebriar1930 (talk) 00:21, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

I believed I was helping them by being consistent, if my changes were wrong then fine my mistake, but I have never had any intention of reverting good faith edits or being unhelpful, as I did explain to them what I thought was the correct format, please don't assume that my intentions were malevolent, or that I did not want to help them, when I clearly did explain my reasoning to them (wrong or not). Branebriar1930 (talk) 11:09, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Denoting different detonators differences

I was only doing what I thought Kdarrow and I agreed on and wanted to do, a BTS section that mentions a relation between the detonators from NV and 76 but also avoids cross linking the games in the main content of an article. I guess an overview page will be needed instead using the disambig page. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 14:41, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Jane (Freeside) move

Hi my darlingest dear, saw the article move from Jane (Freeside) to Lady Jane. I am worried because I have always gone by the opposite rule of thumb - to keep nicknames and other titles out of the article name. The policy here tells us, "for characters, titles and ranks should not be included in the article title. For example, if a character is called "Paladin XYZ," the article should be named "XYZ." I just wanted to double check so I don't make any mistakes and I could even potentially complete all the rest of the nickname moves, there are a bunch, and I even know a lot off the top of my head! Just let me know your commands! -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 11:39, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good, that makes sense to me. Can/will do with the nickname articles. You da best. kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 13:14, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Mormon article

Hi Tag, just wanted to let you know I am working on the Mormon article(s). There is a Van Buren-specific Mormon article here that I will be polishing up next, which will include the information that you re-added to the Fallout: New Vegas page. I agree it is important and plan to link between the two. Just a heads up! -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 12:56, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Cool beans, I will take a gander in a bit. Appreciate your expertise as always. <3 kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 13:13, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Combat rifle (Fallout 4)

Hit a snag trying to port over effect information from the Vault onto the FO4 combat rifle here. The page on the vault mentions a ported and vented barrel that don't match up to the mods available to the rifle. I don't know whether to try and match those to the actual mods available on the gun or not. Great Mara (talk) 21:49, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

NCR/BOS article

Hiya Tag. I think I am getting some things you said mixed up. The way I understood it was you said to put the developer comments in the behind the scenes, and in-game references in the narrative sections, so to keep them separate. Can you let me know how I should format those as I work through them? I don't want to make extra work for you and I am losing a lot of morale and steam seeing my work undone every day. I do appreciate the help! --kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 07:55, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Separate page for sexual abuse

I am kind of curious as to why sexual abuse warrants its own separate page. Its not really a topic that has a huge impact on the greater Fallout series (at least no more than murder and drug abuse to name a few other touchy subjects), and I don't see why it couldn't just stay on the sex page. Just my thoughts though, not looking to make a fuss. Branebriar1930 (talk) 18:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


I dug up the forum about it, there's no clear decision, I would say let it come to a vote then. I really don't agree with italizing the suffixes, it doesn't look good. And to be consistent, I wouldn't even revert the overview italizication. Just the pure game titles (and skill books/mags, movies) remain italicized. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 19:01, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Atom shop canonicity

Atom shop items are non canon according to the developers. There is no changing that. Atom shop items should be listed seperately just like we do for creation club stuff even if a similar item appears in game. Then the template is attached to it to denote the item from the atom shop is not canon and move on. We are supposed to be objective and not put our own determinations into articles and this does exactly that. No matter how much someone might want something to be canon it isn't in the terms of 76 if it's from the atom shop. -Eckserah User Eckserah.png Head Dataminer 22:32, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Redirect link fixes

Wanted to let you know on those moves you did yesterday for Seth articles, I thought I remember seeing your note that the links were all fixed, but maybe we were talking about different tasks. I just did my normal maintenance routine and I still see 60+ showing up when I use this tool (here if you don't have the same css as me) and it looks like Talk:Seth (disambiguation) is a double redirect now. You are likely in progress, so no worries. Just wanted to let you know what I am seeing on my end. :) --kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 08:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand the reasoning for moving Seth (Fallout) to Seth again, creating a Seth (disambiguation). I can see only one Seth in Fallout, so he should be named Seth (Fallout). It's also not a character appearing in multiple games like Harold (being mentioned doesn't count) so that's not a reason either. The term disambiguation should be used as little as possible, it's looks bad. Seth should be the overview page; and Seth from Fallout should be named Seth (Fallout). It's done like that as a rule on the wiki. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 17:24, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
According to our own policy here we should change the ambiguous page name to be non ambiguous and make a disambiguation page to contain all the pages that are ambiguous. Our own policies state that if something isn't included in them then you fall back to the Wikipedia guide, however in this case we have a specific policy outlined  on that page that explains what to do. If we start going against our own policies how long do you think anyone will actually follow them? -Eckserah User Eckserah.png Head Dataminer 00:34, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

RE: Seth

Per your own linked info at the Wikipedia policy that you listed:


There are no absolute rules for determining whether a primary topic exists and what it is; decisions are made by discussion among editors, often as a result of a requested move. Tools that may help to support the determination of a primary topic in a discussion (but are not considered absolute determining factors, due to unreliability, potential bias, and other reasons) include:

  • Wikipedia article traffic statistics (for the exact title of a page or a redirect) and redirect traffic statistics (for the total views of a page including traffic coming from its redirects).
  • Usage in English reliable sources demonstrated with Google Ngram viewer, Books, Scholar, News, and Trends. Simple web searches may be problematic due to limited sources, open interpretation, and personal search bias, which can be eliminated with the modified Google search string, but may be helpful if other methods are inconclusive.
  • Incoming wikilinks from Special:WhatLinksHere (their count).

Some general principles for determining a primary topic include:

While long-term significance is a factor, historical age is not determinative. Being the original source of the name is also not determinative. Boston, Massachusetts is the primary topic for Boston, not the English town from which it took its name.

A topic may have principal relevance for a specific group of people (for example, as the name of a local place, or software), but not be the primary meaning among a general audience. An attorney may read the word "hearing" and immediately think of a courtroom, but the auditory sense is still the primary topic.
Wikipedia primary topic definition

This determination is supposed to be done by a discussion among editors and not by an individual. The next section itself also includes this:

Not "what first comes to (your) mind"

Perhaps the most commonly rejected criterion is that the primary topic should only belong to what "first comes to mind". This argument is inevitably tainted by the personal background, location, biases, ethnicity, and other pieces of one's own life, but we are trying to build an encyclopedia that is untainted by systemic bias. The primary topic is therefore determined without regard to (for example) the national origin, if any, of the article or articles in question.

Because many topics on Wikipedia are more interesting or pertinent to particular groups, one potential criterion to commonly avoid is what "first comes to mind". An American might first think of the city in Alabama when Birmingham is mentioned, but primary topic belongs to the city in England, which is far more notable and whose article is read much more often. A Scot might think of the Scottish city when the city of Perth is referred to, but the primary topic belongs to the Australian city for essentially the same reasons as for Birmingham. "Raleigh" takes you directly to the American city, even though a Brit may not even know of the city and only think of the explorer or bicycle manufacturer when Raleigh is mentioned. What first comes to your mind when you hear the word "Java"? It may be coffee or a programming language, but the primary topic belongs to the island with over 140 million people living on it.

Partial title matches should also be considered. For instance, New York City is far more notable than the British city from which it got its name, and the vast majority of the time that "York" is used in books, it is used in the names "New York City" and its containing state of "New York".[a] However, since sources rarely use an unqualified "York" to refer to "New York", York still hosts an article on the British city, and no suggestion to change that would be seriously entertained. Likewise, "Sofia" has been the first name of countless girls and women throughout history; however, as a single term it most commonly refers to the Bulgarian capital.[b]

To be clear, it is not our goal to astonish our readers, and the topic that comes first to mind indeed often is suitable as the primary topic. Anne Hathaway, as one of countless examples, takes the reader to the modern-day American movie star's page, not to the article on the wife of William Shakespeare. But in no case do "what comes first to mind" or "what is astonishing" have much bearing, either positive or negative, on which topic, if any, actually is the primary topic.
Wikipedia primary topic definition

Which is there to help prevent personal biases from making a page the primary. In our case the 10 year span you looked at there were 2 game releases that added characters of the same name. You also associated the term "Seth" with the broad concept article of "Football" which is an incorrect assumption. "Seth" isn't a broad concept article and can't be described as one in association with the broad concept article definition described by wikipedia.

You stated in your comment to me "Since we fall back to WP's manual of style and practices in the absence of our own, I took the liberty of applying them here". I can once again state that we have our own policy on it that very clearly states what ambiguous means.

If a given term can refer to multiple articles (i.e. if it is "ambiguous"), the articles should be moved to non-ambiguous (or "disambiguated") titles. A disambiguation page, i.e. a page which links to all possible articles this term may refer to, should then be placed at the ambiguous title.

Our policy already defines what ambiguity means in the terms of disambiguation pages, a given term that can refer to multiple articles. Our policy, while similar, is not the same as the wikipedia policy concerning the topic. -Eckserah User Eckserah.png Head Dataminer 01:54, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Super mutant pages moves

Tag, what do you think of the super mutant page moves Scribe Howard just did? See Special:Log/move. Did he discuss that with you? Would have liked to have known in advance myself anyway. They stood for many years and then now to rename them, I don't know. At the moment I'd still prefer the old ones. Would at least need a discussion. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 11:45, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Gender neutral language

Hello, I want to talk about the protagonist of the first Fallout, The Vault Dweller. In Fallout 2, The Vault Dweller is referred to as "he" and "him" by the narrator, The Arroyo Elder (his daughter) and Tandi. Not only that, but he's referred to as "Grandsire" by the Chosen One (an old-timey word for Grandfather), he's depicted as a man in the intro and Lastly, the statue depicting the VD is a man.

All of this confirms that the Vault Dweller is indeed a man. However, the article in question is written in gender neutral language. I tried to change it, but it was changed by a moderator. I tried asking him why and he didn't really give a good answer.

He said "he" is a gender-neutral pronoun. However, this is incorrect. The only way "he" is used in gender neutral context is if the person's gender isn't known. In the context of these conversations, it's clear that Tandi and The Arroyo Elder is referring to the Vault Dweller as a man. Logically, they would know his gender better than anyone else.

He told me that most canon sources that talk about the VD have "gender-neutral language". But what are these sources exactly? And how do those sources outweigh the evidence that the VD is male?



Do you know why all the userpages, other than your own, are (almost) blank? The dropdown menu is also gone, I can't other userpages anymore. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 19:22, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

User rights on Discord

Only Richie can give you bc rights there, he's the owner of our Discord account. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 20:36, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Petitions on Nukapedia Discussions

Hi Tagaziel,

I want to ask you if it is all right by this wiki's as well as Fandom's overall rules if I can post a link to a petition to Disney to reinstate Gina Carano in the Mandalorian after her firing. I know this isn't the Star Wars wiki, but that wiki has explicit rules against petitions, and this wiki allows for posts about topics other than Fallout, so that is why I wanted to post it in the Nukapedia discussions.

Thank you in advance,

@Mand'alor the Vault13warrior, Flame of Valhalla

List of Vaults

The separation of canon and non-canon content is clearly demarcated on plenty of other articles. The T-45 power armor, Denver, Vault 29 and Commonwealths articles are good examples. Why should the List of Vaults be any different then? The prior incarnation clearly demarked the canon and non-canon Vaults (and in the case of Vault 29, the difference between the two versions), whereas your version intermingles them without making the distinction clear.

At the very least, the issue should have been discussed on the talk page first, as prior changes to the article were (such as that which created the two categories). The separation of the two was made in 2019, so why roll it back now? Darthfish (talk) 11:30, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Articles should always separate canon from non-canon. The non-canon is not part of the narrative, so we should not be including it as such. Blurring the lines to push headcanon agenda is not ok, tag. If that is not your intention, I'm going to have to point out that is unfortunately what it looks like you are doing. :(
Axed Scribe-Howard (waster93) (talk) 22:48, 20 February 2021 (UTC)


Tagaziel, I received your message. I have spoken with several individuals regarding these changes and were in agreement. You were not part of the conversation, so I did not expect you to be aware. Can you let me know the specific guidelines for what would be considered far reaching? That way I can make sure to engage in conversation for such in the future. kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 23:15, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Re far reaching

Hi Tagaziel, I received your message. I can say that I have always taken my contributions seriously, paying close attention to what my long line of mentors (Jspoelstra, Leon, AYF, EnergyX, Dekker) and others have taught me over the course of these (nearly!) 100k edits, including re-reviewing policies, and seeking clarity. It is not a casual task for me by any means, and I agree we can all benefit from engaging in additional levels of communication. I am happy to do so. kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 12:31, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Double redirects

Weren't that many, all is taken care of. Another thing, about the Fallout 76 Dwellers Guide maps, what do you think of asking Bethesda's permission to use them on the wiki? I do miss them on the Fallout 76 pages. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 17:27, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

My contact there was with community manager Matt Grandstaff, but he left and I don't have a new contact. If you know who the new one is or if you could get in contact with relevant people at Bethesda, that would be good. You could also mention we can credit them for each image in the file history, or maybe with a small credit mark on the image. Not sure how strict they'd be. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 18:32, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Anonymous users and messages

Why can't we access an anon's message wall when they need to be told to knock it off. There's no way to leave a notice or warning when viewing their profile. Great Mara (talk) 00:11, 25 February 2021 (UTC)


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You have been given an allegiance tooth.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
Wishes of fast recovery following the submarine self-destruct codes implantation procedure you endured for the Motherland.
-kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 02:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Onward comrade! -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 02:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

You're Amazing!

You have gained "THE CHEESE", use it wisely!

D-Class Personnel (talk) 17:12, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


Thank you for the instructions. Let me know if I can help in any way and if so, specifics so I can instruct my fleet accordingly. Glad you are feeling better. As a soup-lover myself, you are in good company. -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 21:48, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Fallout Perks

Hey Tag, It seems like the perk pages for Fallout perks and Fallout 2 perks are slightly editorialized. Since you are the one who put it in roughly its current form would you prefer if I make it more like the one for New Vegas with the commentary abridged and put in a Notes section at the bottom? or would you like to edit it yourself? I just dont wanna step on any toes.
Slipmcripfist (talk) 05:29, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Script files

You've been busy, 40,000 pages completed now. Some of the script files have a hidden red link though, like 1MOLRAT1.INT. It links to 1MOLRAT1.MSG which isn't there and shows up in Special:WantedPages. Can you adjust the {{Scriptbox}} so it is removed from there? Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 17:55, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Actually there are quite lot new red links nows, you added a few hundred I think with those .INT files linking to non-existing MSG files. We need a solution for that. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 18:01, 8 March 2021 (UTC)


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Scribe-Howard (waster_93) (talk) FO76 vaultboy transparent face.png


Damn, that's a pity. Good thing we asked then. Another issue, I can't seem to find out why Fallout 4 armor mods in a red-linked category. Do you know why that is? Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 20:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I found the issue. Red linked category is fixed now. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png`

Oxford comma

Well, sorry to ruffle your feathers... I sometimes use it (with longer sentences) and sometimes I don't (short sentences). So I go either way depending on each case. Where did I go wrong then? Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 12:30, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

You forgot to throw the useless comma in the harbor, Js. 😈 Great Mara (talk) 16:13, 19 March 2021 (UTC)


TP categorization.png

Having two entries for the same subject in one category page is superfluous, IMO. See the image. AllYourFavorites (talk) 16:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

So, for example, including both the "Sanctuary Hills" and "Fallout 4 locations" categories on the Sanctuary Hills page makes it so that when you browse "Fallout 4 locations," you see both the "Sanctuary Hills" category and the article for Sanctuary Hills itself. That seems unnecessary to me, and I'd like to see if there's another way we could approach it. AllYourFavorites (talk) 18:04, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
I don't see what that accomplishes. With the example I gave, there's not multiple "questions" that need to be answered, I'm only concerned with the fact that the same subject appears twice in the same category (that being "Fallout 4 locations"). There's only one "question" being posed by "Fallout 4 locations" and it gives the reader Sanctuary Hills twice. AllYourFavorites (talk) 18:28, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Eh, maybe you're right. It's not really a hill I want to die on, and if it somehow helps the reader, then I suppose it wouldn't hurt. AllYourFavorites (talk) 19:50, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

( Those locations subcategories is something I think we came up with at the time Fallout 4 was released. It does make the achievement system a bit moot, the same happened with the quest categories. Still thinking on a better system. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 18:18, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Maybe just add them in two categories (main and subbranch) anyway. So place a location like Sanctuary Hills in Category:Fallout 4 locations as well as in Category:Sanctuary Hills. I do miss these locations in the main category and I don't have too much objection in seeing them in two categories. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 18:34, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Bloodleaf plant

Saw your message. Was not a deletion. The overview information under bloodleaf plant listed the consumables. They are different, bloodleaf plant is a world object. Articles now reflect that, world objects on bloodleaf plant 4/76. Consumables remain bloodleaf 4/76 and black bloodleaf FO4FH/76. All are listed alongside other consumables/recipes under bloodleaf and nav linked. Let me know if you have any questions, I know it is a whirlwind for those not in the thick of it. -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 14:40, 23 March 2021 (UTC)


Correct, each world object will be named game specifically. Where applicable, all be listed on an overview page. kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 18:56, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Cut vs concept art

I received your message. Do you have any thoughts on how we could categorize these creatures apart from cut? That is my only concern. Let me know any ideas. -kdarrow 11:11, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree, that was my line of thinking. I am looking through the art book as we speak and trying to think of a good fit, article title-wise. Potentially something like Fallout 4 unused concepts? You may have a more eloquent idea. Kind of excited thinking about writing it in any case, especially looking at vehicles. You know me. -kdarrow12:36, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Re: Vault 96

The page name itself isn't really a big deal to me, if you think it'd be better as "Vault 96 cut content" or something along those lines, and not a subpage, that's fine. The important part is separating that content, since it took up nearly half of the Vault's article beforehand. AllYourFavorites (talk) 18:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC)


I won't dissuade other admins or users in general from piping in on an ongoing discussion, but when an editing dispute ends up with a mediator getting involved and talking to the respective parties, it is unprofessional and undermining our due process regarding edit-wars for another admin to push the mediator aside and start unilateraly making decisions by continuing to edit the offending content without consulting anyone first.

By inserting yourself into an edit-war during ongoing mediation, you, yourself, were edit-warring as well, and that's something I fully intend on cracking down on as I was detailing on Chad's and Dave's talk-pages yesterday. Everyone wants a quick solution when an issue pops up, but the community has dictated the chain of events for these scenarios, and as an admin, that's something I have to take seriously regarding community consensus in all of its forms.

Going forward, I would ask for you to please respect our rules on this matter. For reference:

  • FW:UC: Do not edit war: Be ready to discuss your changes with others. If you disagree with another editor, discuss the issue either on user or article talk pages. Repeatedly reverting each other's changes ("edit warring") is bound to escalate the conflict instead of solving it. If you cannot reach a consensus, ask an uninvolved user to mediate. In general, if someone reverts an edit you made, you should not re-add it without reaching a consensus on the article's talk page. Consensus does not have to be reached in cases of disruptive editing.

In any case, it looks like we mostly have an agreement now between both parties, with the terminal lore being clearly marked as unused content, and now I'll be looking to re-write the article a bit to try and make everyone happy and remove what could be construed as amibigious statements. While I'm busy concluding this dispute though, all I ask is for the article's current status quo to be left intact as I do my job here. 寧靜 Fox.png 04:00, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

It was mentioned on Dave's talk-page, but in retrospect I agree that I should have added a note to the discussion on the article's talk-page as well. Ecks got a warning as well for edit-warring, and I'll look into the rest of what you were saying, too. But for the time-being, edit-warring is definitely the priority here, and hopefully I was able to settle this particular one.
When it comes to the differences between Unused Content and Non-Canon content, that's a bit out of the purview of my current mediation. That seems like something that's going to have to be discussed maybe in a forum or through a mutual user agreement. 寧靜 Fox.png 17:30, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Wasteland wiki link

Do you know what happened to linking to other Fandom wikis? Our link to the Wasteland wiki doesn't work anymore, and directs to Community Central. (Editing MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation). Did Fandom change how it works or something? Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 18:13, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

It once used to work with the w:, going to the external wiki. We have more of these w: links on our wiki that appearantly now don't work anymore. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 18:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Forget that, the links still work I discovered on Mobius#Behind_the_scenes. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 18:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

ATX tower

Saw that. Cool info, thanks for letting me know. -kdarrow

Re contact

Happy to touch base any time. Talk page or I can login to security desk, just let me know. -kdarrow

New California map

Fan-made maps are not allowed according to our content policy. I could see an argument for including it in the behind the scenes section, but for a main infobox image, the image that is used should be incontestable especially regarding accuracy. AllYourFavorites! 20:12, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Call it whatever you want, but the map is still fan-art by virtue of not coming from an official source, which is not allowed. AllYourFavorites! 21:17, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Nope, still wrong. It's original content because it was not being made by an official source, so it's not allowed. Maybe there's some language barrier you're not parsing here but original content = any content that is original, or, more specifically, not from the games. Thus it's fan-art, because it's made by a fan. Anything made by a fan should not be the main infobox image, because there is no way to assess if it is 100% accurate to the developers' vision. Complaining about it in the editing-staff channel on Discord (which I can read) isn't going to help either. This is just another in a long list of examples of you bending rules to approve content that you like, and disapprove of content you don't like. AllYourFavorites! 14:21, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Art made by a fan = fan-art. It's not allowed. Sorry. AllYourFavorites! 14:38, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
To clarify my position a bit: maps that use in-game resources and are 100% indisputable (like the Mappalachia images) are fine. This "Real-life locations take precedence over game locations" nonsense from the New California map is not. We are a video game wiki, not a California wiki. Everything in-game takes precedence. AllYourFavorites! 14:50, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
I can turn that around just as easily to you - remember the Brotherhood flag dispute? Pettiness aside though, anything we use should not be questioned about its accuracy. We have to remember that Fallout is a separate universe than our own. The fact that the New California prioritizes real-life over in-game locations is reason enough to question it. Thus, we should only use in-game assets as our foundation. AllYourFavorites! 15:31, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Even if reading comprehension would make my position clear, I'll clarify it for you: I would be fine with a map that is either in-game or is based on in-game assets and any modifications to it cannot be disputed in regards to its accuracy. Is that good enough of an answer? AllYourFavorites! 17:00, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm gonna assume you have nothing else to say regarding the subject. Glad to have answered your questions :-) AllYourFavorites! 17:26, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Resigning BC status

Bit of a surprise, didn't see that coming. You must have your good reasons. I'll meet you later on, hear what happened. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 22:32, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

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