Old Man Leon

aka GarouxBloodline

  • I live in Dreamland, Grandeur
  • I was born on June 22
  • My occupation is Brewmeister

Welcome to my talk-page!
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Hello - My name is Leon, and I am always happy to have visitors. If you don't know much about me, I am a local lore junkie and community host here at Nukapedia.

  1. I love to debate! Even if you don't need me for administrative purposes, I am always around to talk about Fallout lore and canon. I am pretty big with other games, too, so feel free to talk about whatever.
  2. Life is weird and always changing for me, so you'll never know when I might be lurking around. So don't be surprised if I message you back at some awkwardly long period down the road, as many of my days keep me fairly busy and away from the wiki. If you wish to get in touch with me, generally you can get a faster response by pinging me on the official Discord servers.
  3. Politics don't interest me much, as I vastly prefer the community-side of the wiki. Chances are, you will bump into me on some blog. Or lore forum. Or while I am stalking your profile. Whichever.
  4. Please be respectful at all times on my talk-page. I may be an administrator, but that doesn't mean I have to respond to you if I'm met with vitriol. Message me with a calm demeanor, and I assure you that I am willing to talk any matter through no matter the issue.
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Best regards, AllYourFavorites (talk) 06:39, September 10, 2019 (UTC)


Infobox templatesEdit

Doesn't seem to apply to us from what I read on the link in the admin dashboard. It's a simple setup of infobox possibilities. Our infobox templates are already far more advanced. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 21:27, September 12, 2019 (UTC)

I forgot to tell you thisEdit

Congratulations on being an admin here! I hope you enjoy your time here. Acj1225 (talk) September 19, 2019


Leon, thanks for your forum, it is well written and clear to understand. So good work, you're one of the best men to do these kind of things. Another small issue, can you decrease your signature height a bit? It pushes the line preceding/following it down. Do you remember we talked about it many years ago, maybe 2012 or so, to have a maximum height for it? Jspoel Speech Jspoel 16:20, February 6, 2020 (UTC)


I can go along with that. I think I left most proper article names capped (like What Atom Requires (holotape) etc., not sure, I may have made some judgement mistakes. I trust your judgment. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 13:05, February 11, 2020 (UTC)

already admin? Edit

Hey how are you an admin already? I thought you needed a couple of thousand edits at least first?--Branebriar1930 (talk) 13:18, February 11, 2020 (UTC)

Ah okay I see--Branebriar1930 (talk) 13:30, February 11, 2020 (UTC)

bloodworm Edit

Hey there im not completely sure what you were trying to say to me but it dont mind if you or anyone else wants change or get rid of the edits i made on the bloodworm page. I only added them because i doesnt look like anyone has put any info on that page for ages and i didnt want it too look so empty.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 21:42, February 11, 2020 (UTC)

aahhh ok I see what you mean ill avoid that in the future--Branebriar1930 (talk) 22:10, February 11, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Edit warringEdit

Reverting an edit warring user is not an offense, nor has it ever been. The standard is to maintain the page as it was before the edit warring occurred (which is also the exact job of checking edits). Your warning is both out of line and disregarded. Great Mara (talk) 11:55, February 15, 2020 (UTC)

The warning does not hold, as it was issued out of line and I was not the one repeatedly restoring the change. That was solely Ant. It is my job as a patroller to undo bad edits, including edit warring, which I did. That being said, I’m escalating this to Js. Great Mara (talk) 18:32, February 15, 2020 (UTC)

Re: TagsEdit

No need to get so defensive about it. I'm just following what practically every other page has set as a precedent for how line breaks should look, which is without that space. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 18:28, February 15, 2020 (UTC)

Still not sure what your reason is for having the space there, and especially since almost every single page I've edited here doesn't do it that way. If you've been conforming both wikis to it for years, then why wasn't it done before this? AllYourFavorites! (talk) 18:38, February 15, 2020 (UTC)
Again, I don't get why these changes are necessary, and they're not in-line with other areas of the wiki, that's why I removed them. In regards to the space, Wikipedia uses the example "And this line of text<br />will break in the middle." I get that this isn't Wikipedia, but I'm more inclined to follow that than adding spaces after every line break because you want it that way. Even the Vault uses "Line breaks<br />don't break levels." here. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 18:55, February 15, 2020 (UTC)
And that's fine, since they don't break policy, but at this point, I think a bcrat should give word before a decision is made, since adding these spaces would require thousands of pages to be changed if we're to be consistent. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 19:02, February 15, 2020 (UTC)
I don't want to set anything in stone yet either, I just feel like another perspective would be helpful here. That said, there is another change I noticed, the use of "player-character" vs. "player character." I'm not trying to get on your case or anything, but the editing guideline uses it without the hyphen, so that would be a bit different from the line break space. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 19:18, February 15, 2020 (UTC)

Player characterEdit

No worries, just wanted to clear that up. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 19:34, February 15, 2020 (UTC)

aubert Edit

i removed some references because there were way too many for a character that's only involved in a single side quest that's all. if i broke something then it was an accident --Branebriar1930 (talk) 21:49, February 15, 2020 (UTC)

If you wanna ban me too then do what you must but i'm not really interested in reading through references fro such a mundane character compared to people like caesar and house who have the m same or less references and triple the page length--Branebriar1930 (talk) 21:51, February 15, 2020 (UTC)

This is a wiki. We're here to log information, not remove it because its "Boring and for a mundane character". If there's references, we put it in. If there's info that's relevant, we put it in. We don't remove it because "that character's not important". That would qualify as vandalism, careless or no. What "You're interested in" isn't an important facet. LovinglyGaslight (talk) 22:02, February 15, 2020 (UTC)


The two are close enough together that they could be viewed as roughly the same location if not for the quest. Me wanting to leave the comment about the campsite there is predominantly a UX thing - the quest brings you to Hornwright purifier 4 and then you're meant to hunt for it, so it feels weird to not have something on the page that indicates the presence of the campsite at least (if someone looks up the air purifier site to try and find the location of the actual camp). Otherwise because Janelle's camp is unmarked and unnamed in the game, it's hard to know to go look for that page instead (quest page with the description exists, but I like to meet readers on all fronts and it's not like the Hornwright page has "too much" information anyway lol).

Not gonna die on a hill about it though, so if you want to remove it feel free. --L84tea Tea kettleWould you like a cup of tea? 22:46, February 15, 2020 (UTC)

refs Edit

look obviously one page doesn't really matter but im worried that this is going to snowball to the point were every piece of dialogue becomes a reference and pages just become lots and lots of numbers, basically there needs to be a cutoff point for TMI.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 08:55, February 16, 2020 (UTC)


No, I don't play Fallout Shelter. You could remove the stub template on pages that still have a section needed template for the walkthrough, but leave the section needed template there. So just remove the stub template if the page is pretty much complete except for the section needed on the walkthrough. Bit a cleaning couldnt hurt on the Shelter pages. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 14:40, February 16, 2020 (UTC)

After seeing Tea's response to this, I think I'm gonna just leave it all as is. I enjoy Shelter, and I've been tempted to just start over and fill out articles as I go through the quests one by one, but I just haven't had the time for doing stuff like that anymore. ;( But now that my time has freed up a bit more, I'll see if I can fit that into my schedule a bit. 寧靜 Fox 17:14, February 16, 2020 (UTC)

BC inputEdit

I've read a bit through the messages going back and forth between Ant, Branebriar, AYF and GreatMara. This generally seems a bit overreacting at this point. These are mostly trusted users who make good faith edits and (most of them) have done so for a considerable time already. Why did you send AYF a notice on the Bert Riggs page for example, I didn't get that. He must have been surprised. Same a bit for GreatMara, he didn't even do that much to deserve a notice already. And it looked ok to me or I must have missed something. Seems like you're still a bit rusty becoming recent changes active. I'd generally go a bit easier on the users.

On another note, I know you're going through the notes and holotapes. Be careful with this, I wouldn't want to come home and see 25 articles capped. Maybe first put a suggestion list in a sandbox so I can see where you're going. Already some doubts on Brotherhood Honor Code, and I would leave Find the Missing Caravans uncapped, leave it as you can find it in PIPBOY.MSG (Fallout 2), where it's decapped. This is how you see it in the game.
(Can you downsize the height of your signature?) Jspoel Speech Jspoel 15:18, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I miss a few things not seeing what's happening about the subject in Discord... Still it may have been a bit over the top to issue a warning already to users like AllYourFavorites and Great Mara. Maybe start with a friendly policy reminder first there. Signature is still too high. You just shaved off 3 pixels, to 25. Can you make it 15, or at least 20 then? Jspoel Speech Jspoel 17:50, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
I wouldn't have included User:Jgrsoto yet in those notices you sent to several people on edit-warring. It's the first time I've seen him do it, he wasn't even really aware he was doing it I think, was just one tiny edit. So go easy on him for future reference. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 19:08, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

( Just wanted to relay that I respect your reasoning to block those two users, though I'm sad to see it, as they are active users and we need to keep such users, especially upcoming ones like branebriar motivated. A block doesn't really help, but we'll take it he sees it as a learning point (he may not have been fully aware of edit-warring consequences yet). Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:47, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

Ok good enough. Branebriar does learn fast and has potential here, just in a week or so I already see good progress. He'll learn how it works soon enough. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:56, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

Zealous Champion's Moderator Request Edit


I hope you're doing well, Leon. As you know, a month ago Zealous was given chat mod rights temporarily in order to test him out. Are we going to proceed with a vote?

Kind regards,

Jgrsoto Coat of arms of Puerto Rico 22:34, March 2, 2020 (UTC)


I dont see the need for it. It's clear enough on the administrator page who needs to be asked, I'm around as a bureaucrat and Richie will see talkpage messages I think. Also, I'm monitoring what's happening on recent changes, Kdarrow has sprung to mind though I'm not sure she's interested in it, though I could ask her. Dankalor can ask me as well, I'd think about that one. We could use one or two more patrollers, with in future mind we need some more active admins. If I'd become inactive here for some reason. it's be an idea to delegate giving out patroller rights, but for now not yet. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 22:55, March 5, 2020 (UTC)

Line breaksEdit

I gave you cited reasons from Wikipedia, whose Manual of Style we follow as a backup, and even the Vault, as well as the precedence that just about every page I've edited here doesn't do it that way. I don't see how that isn't a "real answer." And to be honest, "you guys are just inventing work for yourselves since I have no plans on stopping" is an embarrassing, childish position to take as an administrator. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 23:28, March 5, 2020 (UTC)

You're overreacting. I removed them the first time because it was not in-line with other pages and I hadn't seen it done before. I understand where it comes from, but it clearly does not follow what's recommended. Even the Vault's guideline runs contrary to this, as I pointed out to you twice before. If you think me changing something that you did in just three or four edits over a three-week period is "following your edits around," then you should grow thicker skin instead of throwing a fit when something isn't done your way. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 02:20, March 6, 2020 (UTC)
As far as I'm aware, you're the one who started this up again by namedropping me and talking about how my answer wasn't good enough.
I seriously feel like I've been gaslit since this entire merge started. Not too long ago, you were talking about how you had decided this was the way you were going to do things and nothing was going to stop you, so we all better suck it up. You ended your first message to Js with that. But I'm the one being nitpicky and spouting bullshit? You are either acting in very bad faith or you're fucking insane. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 04:22, March 6, 2020 (UTC)


Can you not add these spaces before or following <br />? It is breaking format as we have been using it here many years. There's really no reason to do it. Just leave it as is. Also, don't remove the asterisk when there's a very short list like listing a quest (see here). It looks plain akward. Even with a very small line of text following it, I'd still use an asterisk. It looks better. Changed General Atomics Galleria back again, believe it's a proper noun. Not sure about the Prydwen, but it's the same as Citadel, so suppose I would have to go along. DankalorYT and Kdarrow are patrollers now. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 15:51, March 7, 2020 (UTC)

With "breaking format" I didn't mean it literally in the wiki format way of sense, but figuratively speaking as in "how we have done things here for years and now you're changing it". We already have the space between <br and /> which break the line if necessary; we don't need it a second time. We probably have a few 100000 br tags used like that, it's madness to change it. About the use of the asterisk, I'm not sure what the (wikipedia?) typography is or if it is incorrect, I don't like it and it looks akward. (We don't necessarily need to use wikipedia format anyway). If you want to change it, discuss it in Discord or set up a forum, maybe even with a vote. It looks bad and I don't want to see you change it without discussion on hundreds of pages where it is used like that. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 16:25, March 7, 2020 (UTC)
Ok. You are changing the way we have done things here for as long as I'm around (and that's reaching 10 years) on two accounts, the break line tag and the asterisks. We may not have a specific guideline on them but I don't want to change the way as we use them as we do. If you want to change it, set up a forum for an update on those guidelines, in which you point out why they are technically correct, with references. I can at this point also say the line breaks and asterisks as we have used them for years is correct, so who is to say who is right? I'm going to ask you not to add those spaces and/or remove asterisks until that time. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 17:02, March 7, 2020 (UTC)
You are also an administrator. I can say the same thing about you. Goal appearantly is to create a guideline on formatting. I don't know where you get your information on the break tags and the asterisks. So I wouldn't be able to argument it with references, you can. I can set up a forum, as long you give me those references. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 17:14, March 7, 2020 (UTC)


You're starting to make waves here (again). Reminds me back from 2012 from your feud with GhostAvatar. Don't remove the Doctor overview page. It's a valid overview page, for the various Doctor overview pages for other games. Same value as other overview pages like merchants. Also had a bunch of links leading to it. Just leave it, or add content to it. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 13:11, March 10, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Discord ban Edit

So, you're saying you banned me for something that's not even banworthy? You realize there are moderating steps below banning, right? Steps created for this exact reason? And what warnings? You talking about the time he kicked me for asking what I said to constitute a warning? --Paladin117

I still don't know what warnings you're talking about. And you literally said this wasn't enough to warrant a ban. And I've had Tagaziel blocked since he kicked me for talking to him. I know that hasn't stopped him from making passive aggressive comments aimed at me, however.
I considered them about as rule-breaking as my tiny comment. As in, not at all. And I still don't know what previous warnings you're referring to.


Hello! Thank you for sending me the note about the Vault Academy. I added my information to the table. I will defer to your judgment as to which mentor would be best matched with me. I will do my best to be a quick study. Thanks again for creating this program, I am very excited! -Kate (Kdarrow (talk) 05:05, May 6, 2020 (UTC))

Welcome Wagon - Week 1Edit

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寧靜 Fox 12:06, May 6, 2020 (UTC)

Gratitude x100Edit

Thank you so much for helping me begin the TVA program. I am excited to have Dekker as my mentor and I promise to absorb everything to the best of my ability. I am sure this was and will continue to be a lot of work, but I am appreciative and I think it will quickly pay dividends for our group and the wiki overall. Thank you again! -Kate (Kdarrow (talk) 13:48, May 6, 2020 (UTC))


I would like to state an overdue apology for my rash behavior that day. I did not mean to break the rules. I sent an apology to your twitter but you must have missed it. So I will state it once again. It seems that I underestimated the gravity of the consequences. Had I known what would happen, I would not have posted it to you at all. I hope you can find it in your soul to forgive me.

--Godzillafan4ever (talk) 01:23, May 25, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Laat's BlockEdit

While I have no issue with admin review, seeing as how Laat and I are both discussions moderators, /d mods do have ban rights. You likely saw the link cor provided in SD, but just so its here in talk page as well, this forum is where /d mods were given ban rights.

For convenience, this was what was voted on:

Option 1 - Unlimited Ban Rights to DMsEdit With this option, we would ask wikia to add the "Block" ability to all Discussion moderators. This would not give any further admin abilities (Lock page, rename, access mediawiki pages, etc) to these users.

Their use of the tool would be as we admins use it for wiki business already - ban guidelines published, but durations technically at the discretion of the ban placer.

The only rules restriction we would place on DMs is that this tool could only be used when dealing with an issue in discussions. Misuse of the tool would be dealt with in line with our current misuse processes.

This would allow them to deal with any issues that arise.

If the ban was only reverted, citing a lack of ban authority by /d mods, I would refer you to the forum which decided on /d mod authority, and ask that it be restored. Beyond that, only that decisions such as appeals or upholding follow through as normal with any other ban. The Dyre Wolf (talk) 05:03, June 1, 2020 (UTC)

Appreciate it. I would honestly be more worried for someone if they actually did remember every single forum and discussion point that's come up over the course of the wiki. I know we do not always see eye to eye on every topic, but I appreciate your fair and balanced approach. Originally tried to get Richie since it was closer to reasonable human hours state side, but since it seems like he's gone to bed (at least without him popping in yet) I went ahead and sent a second message to Tag. One of them should see it, and in case I am not available at whatever hour they first are, I linked the original /d thread, the alert page message, and the messages on Laat's talk page. The Dyre Wolf (talk) 05:49, June 1, 2020 (UTC)

vandal/troll Edit

there is a troll vandalizing the marcy long page, i told jp but i thought i would tell you too--Branebriar1930 (talk) 12:59, June 9, 2020 (UTC)

RE: TVA Edit

Hello Leon,

thank you for your post on my talk page. I am indeed interested in honing my skills further. Thus I have just signed on as a mentee.

I am particularly interested in:

1. General Editing - already know my way around item editing and setting up references, would like to improve on locations, characters and all other categories and aspects.

2. Technical editing - basically a virgin, I know how to fill in stuff req. by templates (e.g. infoboxes), but how to create/layout one? Also need to improve on working with existing templates. Much work ahead.

3. Image processing - basic image uploads and proper categorization. Also how to create item images (have been using NifSkope to compare meshes during the junk split, but taking screenshots and editing in GIMP only lead me to undesireable products thus far.)

4. .esm readouts with xEdit/FO76Edit - basic knowledge at best, can find my way around Form IDs, can conclude where REFRs link to/from, know what LVLIs are for, but that is about it. Still much work here as well.

As for Kdarrow being my mentor, I can perfectly agree to that, if she is willing to work with me. I already asked her questions time and time again on Discord, and she answered every single one very patiently.

With that said or rather written, I wish you a pleasant day. -Findabair (talk) 04:34, July 30, 2020 (UTC)

frank Edit

Just copying what it says on his page, and the president is referred to as the secondary on his. --Branebriar1930 (talk) 11:17, August 21, 2020 (UTC)

I mean he is the only one of those antagonists who actually antagonises (fights) the player, I would definitely put him above bird and curling. He is also the 'face' of the enclave to some extent? But i guess its enclave itself that acts as the main antagonist. I just think that there an assumption that each game has a main and a secondary antagonist that are individuals, not the organisation as a whole.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 11:38, August 21, 2020 (UTC)

i guess but the set up is pretty much repeated in fallout 3. on the pages autumn is regarded as the main and eden as the secondary. Eden is hardly antagonistic to the PC while autumn is an total asshole who the LW has far more investment in killing (because of their dad). But at the same time autumn is also technically just a soldier with an endgame boss fight. --Branebriar1930 (talk) 12:42, August 21, 2020 (UTC)

I suppose that's true. I personally would still call Frank the main antag simply because he is both the most threatening and the bigger threat out of any other enclave member (to the point where his own guys can turn on him). In many movies its not always the boss of the villians that is the main antag, sometimes its the most ruthless henchman or enforcer that actively antagonises the hero the most. If not Frank then would Richardson be the main and frank second? we should still have a primary antagonist that is an individual not just 'the enclave' so as to stay in line with the rest of the games.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 12:58, August 21, 2020 (UTC)


Hey there, thank you, I really do appreciate that! I know I'm generally quietly working away minding my own business, but since I've been back I have found that itch to get more involved. Dusty was a hiccup, but I know I should have bit my tongue at the end there.

To be completely honest I never imagined myself as an admin, primarily because I knew/know I'm not (yet) a significant presence socially, plus I don't think the tools would suit me (at least right now) if that makes sense. I don't really tend to think about moving up so-to-speak but content moderator does have a certain ring to it.

Really, I'm pleasantly suprised to know even some of you do consider me an option. Thanks again, that was a nice little confidence booster :) --Tribal Wisdom TribalWisdom(colour) Tawlk ta me! 10:54, August 25, 2020 (UTC)


I'm ok with giving him patroller rights, he's doing good work around here. Let's see what the other 2 bc's think then. (I'm editing as an anon until I intend to return more regularly). Jspoel.


No problems, sorry it got to the point you had to intervene. Aiden4017 (talk) 08:08, September 16, 2020 (UTC)


I saw your comments on lesson two, and I think I may have missed where 50 were required, I thought it was 25. I did speak with Bleep about bugs on Discord, I am not sure what was needed other than that. The Nipton town hall bug was one that I added myself, I linked it on the article here as well as added it to the location page. If this is all ok with you, I can move to lesson three. -kdarrow Pickman heart take her for a spin! 22:15, September 19, 2020 (UTC)

That will work for me. Mixed bag comment being under my skin, I would be remiss if I did not also point out that I did 2000+ edits instead of the required 200. Good day, sir, I said GOOD DAY. -kdarrow Pickman heart take her for a spin! 22:31, September 19, 2020 (UTC)

Vote Edit

Appreciate the vote Leon.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 20:42, September 24, 2020 (UTC)

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