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KlamathEdit

Klamath is named for its old name of Klamath Falls, which in turn is named for the river. The proof is here; Wikipedia gives Klamath Falls as being in Oregon. Agent c (talk) 01:24, February 13, 2014 (UTC) (via Chatbot)

Then, according to this map, Klamath Falls must be located in Siskiyou County, California in the Fallout-Universe beause, the FO2 map clearly does not show any part of southern Oregon. --Modgamers (talk) 01:33, February 13, 2014 (UTC)
The starting point of the game (Arroyo) is located in Oregon. FollowersApocalypseLogo A Follower  Talk  01:35, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

The Starting Point of the Game, Arroyo, is located in Del Norte County, California. Otherwise, the coastlines would not make sense. --Modgamers (talk) 07:34, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

Arroyo lies south of Crescent City, California and its Headland. And Cresent City lies 30 km south of the Californian-Oregon-border. --Modgamers (talk) 07:42, February 13, 2014 (UTC)
And when you compare that location, to the actual location of Klamath Falls, than the in-game Klamath must be located on the some vertical line as Redding... but it doesn't. --Modgamers (talk) 07:45, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

Unless there is a place in California called Klamath Falls, we have to go with what the game calls things. Agent c (talk) 14:19, February 13, 2014 (UTC).

Bedide that piece of paper, we don't have any information that Klamath should be Klamath Falls. So it could be any piece of paper, magicly find its way south to a town which named it self Klamath. Despite that, it shoud be mentioned in the article that the in-game location and the real world location of Klamath Falls don't fit (as Necropolis Bakersfield/Barstow). Anyhow, this doesn't make Arroyo located in Oregon (and so the Oregon cannibals, are Californian), as Arroyo is by any geografical means located in northern California. Or do you have any prof that this particular piece of land should be Oregon (beside it's situated near a town that "should" be located in Oregon?) --Modgamers (talk) 17:39, February 13, 2014 (UTC)
The Piece of paper (a postcard or map, or type of common souvenir) contains a rendition which resembles the in game map of Klamath. The most plausible explanation is that a postcard, claiming to be from Klamath Falls, with an image that resembles the place known as "Klamath" is indeed proof of its prior name of "Klamath Falls". You can see on that image on the right hand side clearly the Buckner's store, the Dutton's store, the Golden Gecko, The Bathouse, the park they surround, and the other minor buildings from that area. The left hand side clearly resembles the Klamath Mall area. Agent c (talk) 14:19, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

In Northern California, is an area known as The Klamath basin. The town of Klamath is located in in this area. There is an actual town of Klamath in California as well. Though it is along the coast, slightly SW of where Arroyo is located. Klamath Falls is indeed in Oregon, but I'm thinking this was just an oversight by the creators of the game. It's also easy to think that the top of the map there is Oregon, because that little niche NW of Arroyo, looks very similar to the Columbia River Delta. I've compared maps of the Californian coastline though, and it would appear the continent just lost a small amount of land mass at that point. Coastlines do change over time, I would assume that this one is no different in that aspect. This would also place Modoc in Idaho most likely... Which could attribute to the fact that they are somewhat hillbillies. But very doubtful. Deadling (talk) 13:40, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

As Modoc should be a reference to Modoc County, i dont think so. But you are right, the small nice may be mistacen, but if you look closely to the coastlines, it infact had changed a bit, but that delta, or whatever it is, the area of Crescent City, California. This can be seen, as thou some small parts of the coastline has infact shanged, the general shape of the coast hasn't. Unfortunately I'm missing the vocabulary (I'm german) to describe it correctly ;). --Modgamers (talk) 13:56, February 14, 2014 (UTC)
Well, as you can read below the topic has ended. --Modgamers (talk) 13:58, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

StopEdit

You've discussed this before with other special rights holders, and your argument against Oregon and California has been refuted several times. And yet you are still strangely adding these incorrect edits.

Regardless, the decision is final. Please refrain from making any further edits of this nature, otherwise, an administrator will have to step in, as this is becoming fairly silly now. User OfficialLolGuy  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  13:19, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

Can you please explain to me, what false geografic knowledge has to do with "official" descicions? I'm realy courious? The town Klamath, even when it should be the same as Klamath Falls, is not ant the same location as the real Klamath Falls is. And when even Chris Avellone sees that it's not there where it should be, when these both towns should be the same. And even if Klamth is the same as Klamath Falls, but is, for whatever reason moved south (as Necropolis Bakersfield/Barstowe moved west), than it does not change the geografical location of Arroyo. You presented ANY in-game prove that Arroyo should be located in Oregon, beside your... lets call it beloved bias, that you don't want to give up. Where as the game itself just show northern California and parts of Nevada, and even say so ingame (e.g. VCSTARK.MSG, line {312}). So please prof me, what exactly is incorrect. When you can prove me I will end that topic, without further comments. --Modgamers (talk) 13:47, February 14, 2014 (UTC)
The topic has ended. User OfficialLolGuy  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  13:50, February 14, 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry that you see it as a bias, but when we have a picture labeled in game "Klamath Falls" that displays Klamath as rendered in game (albeit with its two main maps combined), we are therefore drawn to to the conclusion that the location is Klamath Falls. Agent c (talk) 14:32, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I was an Admin myself (German Star Wars Wiki) and acted the same way sometimes. So, yes I'm angry, but I can not blame you on the long run. But all I asked for, is that you disprove me. I asked Chris Avellone ([1][2]) and even he acknowledged that the town moved. It was intedned that K and KF are the same, but besides the Town Map Screen there is no other proof. And even if they are realy the same, this doesn't change the location of Arroyo (as I tried to make vissible on this map comparism). And even when you say "ok, we don't whant to change that", you should, at least, include notes in the Behin the Scene section of each article which applies. --Modgamers (talk) 14:40, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

MCA says "think" and otherwise indicates that he isn't sure through weasel words. As such, we cant take it as a "fact". Agent c (talk) 13:10, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
As such, we cant take it as a "fact", that Klamath and Klamath Falls are the same? Besides that I hope my Mpa Compairism shows clearly you can not visit Oregon at all (besides one small strip of land in the north, because of the diagonal border). Also as you can read in the topic above, by User:Deadling, there is in fact a town called Klamath in northern California, in that particular area. So if you steal treat Klamath as Klamath falls you have to make that desicision transparent by posting it in the Behind the Scenes section. You have to wrat THAT you have made that deicsion and WHY you have made it. This also applies to all other articels which are by FO2 map definitions based in northern California and that must be placed in Oregon (e.g. Modoc, which is named after Modoc County but would by your definitins also placed in Oregoan, as Vault City etc., as its on the same horizontal line, as Klamath [Falls]). --Modgamers (talk) 14:29, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
We can take it as a fact as a picture with a rendition of the town in question labeled "Klamath falls" exists, the only Klamath Falls we can locate is in Oregon. The work you have done is out of universe, and out of game. Agent c (talk) 15:10, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
Thou it's out of universe, it still corespond with the Map of America made by by J.E. Sawyer. The old state boardes still apply. As so, and we can see by the Compairism of mine, that in FO2 we just visit northern California (and so also just northern Nevada and not southern Idaho), you have, even thou apply to Arroyo it is located in northern California, as no other proof exist, that it is located in southern Oregon, beside that you derived to to be located near a town, that maybe is Klamath Falls. So eventhou you say Klamath, which ingame is lovcated in northern California, is the same as Klamth Falls and is just by a "ingame-map-error" not located whrere it used to be, doesn't make Arroyo, or Modoc, or whatever town, also located in Oregon. When the Town Map of Klamath is canon, so is the ingame World map, and the ingame World Map just shows northern Californa and Nevada (and just a tiny part of Oregon in the most upper row). --Modgamers (talk) 15:26, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
I actually happen to agree with you. If we take Redding as reference, Klamath Falls lies on the northeast while Klamath River is northwest; the in-game map places Klamath northwest of Redding. IRL, Lake Earl (the topmost arrow in your comparison map) is almost on the same latitude as Klamath River, while Klamath Falls' latitude is far above Lake Earl's. Now both are off, but Klamath Falls is twice as distant as Klamath River. That definitely warrants a better look at the situation. I'll be moving this discussion to a forum so it can be properly analyzed, but for the time being please refrain from making any changes to the articles in question.
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