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RE: KAGBot Edit

Haha, no probs, I had completely forgotten about it myself. Thanks for getting it flagged, lets me get back to running the iw script on the wiki.

-=KAG=-YELL AT ME 16:04, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Sannse gave us bureaucrats the possibility to add bot rights now. I just gave Kristoffer's bot the requested rights. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 01:45, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

CupcakesEdit

I wondered what the false information for blocking Cupcakes was. Her saying she's married to Honkblargh? Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:42, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Talk page issue Edit

Clyde, thanks for stepping in and handling the issues with the talk page vote. After closure, a better alternative has been suggested on the original forum page here that I believe takes into consideration all of the concerns from both sides of the issue. I have no problem with the implementation of this, and others opposed have weighed in positively also. I'd be interested in your view on the alternative. The Gunny 380px-USMC-E7 svg 21:13, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Patroller rights request Edit

I would like to request Patroller rights if you see fit to grant them. Thank you, The Gunny 380px-USMC-E7 svg 16:16, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

10,000 edits!Edit

Congratulations on edit nr. 10,000! Have beer on me. As you always say: cheers! Jspoel Speech Jspoel 16:20, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Voting Edit

I went ahead and just voted on both. :P I just posted the link in case you didn't know. Dragon Skål! 21:17, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

I already made a new thread, now we have two the same. And I may have forgotten to protect the old one, but I considered it closed with the poll time ended. Now it's confusing for everyone. I'll leave it up to you to work that out. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 21:20, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
Now I see where it went wrong. Already thought I protected it, but it was the wrong forum thread with the general discussion, Forum:User talk pages. I meant to protect the old vote forum thread. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 21:28, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations! Edit

A present, just for you!

I'm in a present giving mood. :3 Dragon Skål! 23:42, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Nemerian Edit

Clyde, I implore you to go through at look at seem of them and see how unecessary they are. Some are simply changing words to homonyms. He has only performed one edit a day for months. We can presume, In fact, I am sure, that this is so he can obtain the badge for an editing streak.--Bunny2Bubble 00:22, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Ok then, I don't have a problem with his "editing" style so much as I have a problem with him coming on here once a night to make a bs edit for past months. What else would the reasoning behind that be? Have you looked through his edits? --Bunny2Bubble 04:11, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
I have to agree. I mean, just look at these for a few examples: [1][2][3] Essentially, all of his edits are like those lately and it means he's only getting on once a day to make one edit to pretty much change or add in one word. He's either abusing the achievement system, or is unusually unambitious in his edits here. Dragon Skål! 04:17, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
I was under the impression that he was going for the x amount of edits in x amount of days achievements. This is supported by his message to Jspoel when one of said achievements didn't register for him and by the fact that he only missed one day after months and months of making the same small-time edits. (The 25th.) Dragon Skål! 05:37, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
  • Actually, I correct myself. I don't believe he has missed a day, as I bet any missing days in his contributions list aren't showing because edits he made on those days were reverted. Dragon Skål! 05:46, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
That makes more sense, I suppose. Dragon Skål! 05:50, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

The problem with your counter Clyde is that you're comparing two different types of boosting. His edits are outrageous. I just fixed one a minute ago, where he added a word in a quote that was never said! --Bunny2Bubble 05:42, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Partnership Wasteland wikiEdit

Hey Clyde. What you think about this? Asking the Wasteland wiki for a more official status as a partner? At current they have a link below our sister sites (so we already have a long time relationship), but I was thinking to add their logo on our main page, so more high profiled. They have a game on the way and we're without a current one active. And it will be a while before a new Fallout game. We have a lot of visitors and seeing that logo will direct their attention to the Wasteland wiki. They can use the help and editors. Only 2 bureaucrats active by my knowledge there. And with them adding our logo on their wiki will promote us again. They will attract some attention anyway because of the revival of a classic game. What you think about it? Oh, and we also got a request for another partnership, you can read it on your former talkpage. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 14:40, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

I'll do the work on that then and ask the 2 newly appointed bureaucrats if they feel for a partnership! Jspoel Speech Jspoel 23:12, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

ForumEdit

Look now. It was a lesson, nothing more. Φύλαξ [~μίλησε μου~] 23:04, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

The entire thing was extremely thought-through, and I was not able to tell that from what you said. However, I can see the issue, and I'll go and change that. Φύλαξ [~μίλησε μου~] 23:22, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
I beg to differ in closing that thread. I won't have my very hardfought bureaucrat position put up for grabs by a vote set up by an admin, even if it was a tester for us all. And now looks what he's done, an argument between you and me. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 23:35, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Fallen Rock Cave Edit

My apologies, I read that as hollowed out log. I didn't even realize there were any hollowed out rocks in HH. Never came across any in my multiple play-throughs. Dragon Skål! 06:02, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

My tolerance is running thin old friend Edit

Right, first things first. You do realise that calling someone a dick is a dick move in itself, you might want to read up on the link you posted me yourself. And what is with all the bolding, what do you think I am, a 5 years old. If you want an adult child conversation, I am more than happy to provide you with one.

With that aside, if the topic is moved you might want to have put a comment at the bottom as to where it was moved to. It is a bit confusing when people keeping opening topics on the same subject all over the place (Hell, we have 2 votes on the same subject as is), instead of continuing it on the one place. The fact that people still wish to continue the topic for discussion by opening new topics, pretty much shows that it has not been fully discussed. I will admit I did not notice that it was closed, something that is happening an alarming amount of times as of late.

Now for the comments and you calling me a liar, "calls for just implementing rules as certain people see fit" = "I'm even half tempted to implement the rule without a vote." By J does not ring hollow. "Certain people are just trying to subvert the whole process to get things the way they want it, pushing throw change at any cost, it is like a load of mini dictators running the insane asylum", nice way to take it out of context. You forget to post the parts above above people calling to bend/ignore the guidelines and policies of the wiki. This is the very definition of the word subvert - "Undermine the power and authority of (an established system or institution)." So the fact that people have said that the rule should just be implemented without a vote, or bending the rules for the whole voting process is undermining an already established system and the core principles of said system for implementing new policies. So if you're going to call me a liar for that, then I shall take that as a direct insult towards me, as the evidence is right there to be read. The thing that gets me, is how can such people sit there and choice or discuss when to follow the rules and when not to, yet expect others to follow them at all times. That to me is the very core of the meaning dictatorship (third definition), when the leadership of the wiki are unrestricted by the very polices they govern and enforce on others. It is as if those with any kind of authority here think they are above the rules and policies of this wiki, which is not the case. Admins etc. are not above the rules in there own actions, as evident by User:AreYouGoingToEatThatNuke?. You may very well be disappointed in me, but at present I am very disappoint with a lot of people. If I have to be a dick to do what is right for the community (and not just the admins etc.) then I shall be a dick, because I am not going to stop doing what is the best for the community. You can write this off as slander and the assumption of bad faith, you can drop the ban hammer. But that doesn't stop the facts of the matter from existing or the truth of the matter being a real issue. Bury your head in the sand if you so wish, but the issues will still be there to be dealt with.

If you want this place to be a dictatorship, then that is far enough, but don't for one second ever pretend it is any but that. There is a fine line that is being walked at the moment, sooner or later it has to be dealt with. User avatar tagUser Avatar talk 13:33, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and move my recent points on Ghost's talk-page to here since he never responded to them in kind and I believe they counter some of Ghost's points fairly decently.
  • Except for Scar's changes to the Administration requirements, this is the first thing we've even considered changing (New talk-page policy) since the split. And I really don't want to hear anything about how we're ushering in a new wave of dictatorship when the old Administration here did plenty of things without community consensus (Such as when Porter disabled the template for a YT extension variant or when the pure human category was taken out without a proper vote even when there was a basic debate forum about it. Or my favorite, when Tag brought up a debate over Totalitarian symbols and it was shot down by one Admin and it was never brought in for a vote even though it was a legitimate and serious concern that involved the community, not the Administration team.) While this policy change did go by a tad fast, we are not doing anything loose and we've even reset the vote when it was found out that a couple policies weren't taken into account. Just because we're Admins doesn't mean we're infallible and we have memorized the policies 100%. We make mistakes, that doesn't mean we're abusing our posts just to push something out.
  • (This is in response to Agent c's comment expressing his concerns with the first botched vote and what Jspoel said on the debate forum:) I don't see that as a legitimate concern anymore now that we've taken those policies into consideration and we have a now correct voting process in place. As for J's comment, saying half-tempted is in no way saying that he was actually going to change the rules. He was just expressing his frustration over the ridiculous nature of the debates that have taken place, and he even mentioned that he would never actually change the rules by himself until at least consulting our other 'crat, KingClyde. I think some users are forgetting Jspoel's history of professionalism and doing just about everything by the book.
  • I also don't find your point valid in which you say KC calling you a dick is against policy. He didn't actually call you a dick, he linked you the policy which specifically states to not be a dick found don't be a dick guide there.

Dragon Skål! 14:52, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

    • YT extension (I am assuming you are talking about the one that people use as a player on there user and talk pages), either way it is not mandated in the sites policies and guidelines, nor is any extension or implementation thereof. In fact there is nothing governing extensions in the sites policies and guidelines. That is stark contrast to that of policies and bears no comparison. But since you want to go there, the YT extension was introduced without a vote in the first place = point invalid. Ohh and I think you will find it wasn't Porter who disabled it, people only assumed it was him.
    • Pure human category, again I see nothing that governs the removal of a category by the sites policies, so unless you can point towards any that it does, the point is invalid
    • Totalitarian symbols - taken from the sites policy and guidelines "The administrators may veto a policy; this should only be done sparingly and for good reasons." - point invalid
    • Community consensus is not just about voting, nor is voting the only way to achieve community consensus. Community consensus can be achieved in several ways and does not always have to lead to a vote. Otherwise we would be here forever voting on every single action that took place. However, violating already pre-existing policies and guidelines, that have already passed community consensus, by either ignoring or bending them to suit ones needs by those in authority is the very definition of a dictatorship.
    • Did I at any point say he had or was going to change the rules on his own? You may want to re-read what I wrote instead of trying to put words in my mouth and twist the truth. I said "calls for", as an example "the public calls for the politician to resign". Such a statement does not necessitate the fact that it has happen or ever will happen - point invalid.
    • As for Jspoel's history, I am well aware of it. Since both him and me started within 2 weeks of each other, became admins roughly at the same time, edited at the same pace, learned form each other, and generally helped each other out on many occasions.
    • Where did I say that "KC calling you a dick is against policy"? Hell, I didn't even say he called me a dick, I said calling "someone" a dick is a dick move in of itself. This was simply stating that if he was trying to say I was being a dick, then doing as such is a dick move. Again this is another instance of you putting words in my mouth and twisting it to suit your needs.
    • As for not responding to you on my talk page, I choose to ignore you. But since you want to push the point I will tell you why. Personally, I find everything that comes out of your mouth to be complete BS, you puts words into people mouth, you twist the truth as demonstrated above, you're arrogant, obnoxious and an antagonist, and you always have to stick your nose in even where it isn't wanted. Continuing to debate with such a person if a pointless and futile effort in my books. User avatar tagUser Avatar talk 16:01, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
You remind me very much of Lugiatm right now the way you you completely side-step backing up your accusations by denouncing solid facts made by other users and trying to denounce me personally as well. I also see you completely ignored the fact I added in that we've only changed one thing since the split (Talk-page policy will probably be the second). I mean, how can we be a bunch of little dictators running around changing the rules the way we see fit if we haven't even hardly changed anything since the split? I mean, let's look at this:
  • Administrator Requirements: Was changed by Scar. You can't say anything he did was power-abuse since even Ausir went in to change the requirements by himself without consent.
  • Talk_Page Blanking Policy: While a couple policies weren't taken into account at first, we have now fixed that issue and we have a legitimate vote up.

--So how in any way have we turned into a dictatorship? There is no evidence supporting your wild claims and most of the community here is getting quite tired of the purposeful disruption you're causing. While we all deeply respect you for all the hard work you've dedicated to this wiki, your current actions are not excusable in any way. The fact is, if you were a new user making these wild claims? They would have been banned long ago. The only reason you've gotten away with this accusations and insults is because of your reputation here and I personally think that's wrong. I say either leave us in peace and go back to The Vault, or gain your voice back here by becoming an essential element to Nukapedia by becoming an active contributer to more than just insults and disruption. Anyways, I am officially done now. You have insulted me and compared me to a power-hungry dictator and you have gone further by insulting this wiki and stirring up trouble when we're trying to get back on our feet after the split. I'm also tired of you telling me where I can and can't stick my nose. Very hypocritical after seeing all of the conversations I've seen you butt yourself into while you were an active Admin/'crat here. I'll also leave saying that I have a full report written out of your actions here that is constantly being added on by me. This is in no way a threat, as I will send this report out if you continue to cause a disruption here. Originally, I would never resort to this, but you have now brought the entirety of the Administration here into question and who knows the damage you've caused by your words when considering the impressionable new users and anons. We're already losing some of our diversity and users to Curse, and I'd rather you not add on to motivating others to leave here. Dragon Skål! 16:30, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

TLDR User avatar tagUser Avatar talk 16:33, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I hate to butt into this because it's not my place to do so. It's really sad when a person states fact about other users and about the way the wiki is being run and then gets made to be the bad guy. I never knew facts were bad a thing. He brought facts up about policy and such and he gets the hate for it which is complete rubbish. And yes Ghost is right Leon, you stick your nose in other people's discussions way too damn much. You can go on defending yourself by saying that we were the ones who told you to run for admin, but I don't think we knew you would go and get up into everyone business because you are "keep tabs on everything that is being said." I don't remember you doing that before you were made admin, but you may have. I laugh at your point where you say Ghost would have been banned if he wasn't an former B'crat because he states facts. Sure Ghost may have been a little aggressive when he stated facts, but sometimes you have to be aggressive when you need to get your point across. So go ahead and report him and me if you wish because you were backed into a corner you can't get out of. At this moment the Vault is way better than this if we can't get our priorities straight and stop accusing other users. So yes I can see why users are moving to the Vault instead of coming here. ToCxHawK 17:15, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

What facts? I want one shred of proof for any of these:
  • This wiki is a dictatorship with administration here that are dictators who change policies as they see fit.
  • The Administration here only got their positions by grabbing for power after the split.
  • That this wiki is on a downward slope with a lack of any real community.

--All of these were stated by Ghost and he has not provided any real proof. I am not going to list my counter-points again, as they're stated above. Also, why would I report you HawK? I think you do a wonderful job as a mod and you're not the one who singularly came to this wiki to insult everybody. Not like he's been doing anything else around here. Dragon Skål! 17:25, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Once again you are missing the whole picture. It seems you still haven't realized the real issue here. You and others have overlooked the point Ghost made and are instead of attacking him. The changing the policy part is fact because the poll wasn't even a week. Second when J said that we should change the policy because we will all die since we can't wait a week over a vote. Seems we can't even follow a policy that has been set in stone for years. And the whole dictatorship thing has some fact to it as well. Because personally, this whole talk page policy change is stupid. Even though i voted yes, I only did so because we need to get this behind us. The dictatorship here is well hidden, user's can't even control what they do with their talk page. Though it's frowned upon it's not a huge deal. This whole reason why we want this policy change is because we are lazy and don't want to have to dig through the logs. I'm perfectly fine have having to go through logs because I think people should have freedom do what they want with their talk page. As you pointed out this isn't a democratic wiki, but it shouldn't be a dictatorship either. ToCxHawK 17:38, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
I guess you didn't read this: "While this policy change did go by a tad fast, we are not doing anything loose and we've even reset the vote when it was found out that a couple policies weren't taken into account. Just because we're Admins doesn't mean we're infallible and we have memorized the policies 100%. We make mistakes, that doesn't mean we're abusing our posts just to push something out."

--I would also like to point out that he made this accusations long before we even started talking about changing the policy for talk-pages. It seems you don't quite know how this all started. I would also like to point out that not allowing users to remove content from their talk-pages is not a dictatorship. It's called rules and every community and society has them. We don't allow people to express their ideologies here, does that make us dictators? No, it doesn't. I would also like to point out that this new policy we're trying to change isn't about making it easier on us to look up user's blocks. We also need to take into account the words people say on their talk-pages and any warnings an Admin/Mod might have left them on their talk-page. You can't find those through the block logs, I'm afraid.Dragon Skål! 17:43, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I do know how it started. But since you listed points he made, and said there wasn't any facts, I gave them to you. And yet you still don't see the point that was made. Maybe instead of replying to me you should actually read and think about what is being said instead of reading and understanding the parts you want to understand. I hate to put it that way, but I think it's necessary. ToCxHawK 17:54, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

(You know what Garoux, fuck it, I have had enough of your crap and you trying to continue an argument in an attempt to troll. This was a note to KC in response to his request to explain myself. But as always, you have to stick to nose into the matter and stir things up further. So if you want a flame war, you got it as my patience has now gone. Either provide proof that I have empirical stated such things as fact and not personal judgements or observations, or get off your high horse and shut the fuck up, cus you aint doing yourself any favours and only showing others to be the ass that you are. KC, drop the ban hammer if you like, I have had enough of this dick (yes I am calling you a dick Garoux, deal with it). User avatar tagUser Avatar talk 17:50, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

That's nice. Anyways, the burden of proof is on you since you started these accusations. Dragon Skål! 17:57, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in, but I'd like to clarify some things since my name somehow got drawn into the discussion. The "YouTube extension" (I take it you people are referring to the functionality which allowed users to have auto-playing YouTube players on their pages) isn't/wasn't really an extension, and I had nothing to do with enabling/disabling it.

Simply put, usually all HTML added to wiki pages is filtered by the wiki software for security reasons. One day, Wikia added new functionality in one of their updates which allowed people to insert any raw HTML into "MediaWiki:" pages by use of <verbatim></verbatim> tags (probably with the rationale that the risk of abuse would be mitigated by the fact that those pages can only be edited by admins). Someone used this ability to create a template/MediaWiki page-setup which made the auto-playing YouTube players possible, and someone else (not me) copied that setup to this wiki.

A little later, Wikia apparently decided either that the auto-playing YouTube players were too annoying (there were some complaints on Community Central) or that allowing any raw HTML was too much of a security risk after all - not sure which; I'm only guessing what the reasons might have been. In either case, Wikia changed their newly added functionality so the auto-YT players no longer worked. And here comes my only involvement with the whole ordeal: I later removed the template and accompanying MediaWiki pages because the setup no longer worked anyway.

Whenever I wanted new extensions added, I always informed the community first to see whether there are any objections. No non-standard extensions were ever removed (I/we don't really have any influence on Wikia-standard extensions), but if I had planned to do that, I would've asked first as well. So I don't really appreciate being accused of bypassing community consensus/policy, especially considering that there is no policy regarding the addition and removal of templates/extensions in the first place. -- Porter21 (talk) 00:57, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oops Edit

Heh, sorry for leaving such a wall of text for you Clyde. I know this isn't what you want to see the second you get on next. :/ Dragon Skål! 18:30, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Edit

I'm very sorry about all of this, and I want to apologize for taking all of this fighting a little too far. I decided to go off with a few friends for a couple hours to cool down and to think about this in a more reasonable way. I understand that there's a point where it just becomes unprofessional and unwise to continue a debate. (Or fight. Depends on how you look at it.) So I'm just going to stay out of this the best I can from this point forward. I think I've said enough to get my opinion out anyways, so nothing more really needs to be said from me. To be honest, this just became personal for me after he started insulting and accusing me. It was wrong for me to bring up his name in the EB forum, but I apologized only for him to take it further by calling me a dictator and a power grabber and I felt that I needed to defend myself and my position. Then he insulted this wiki and that is why I've been so hard-pushing in all of this. I work hard for this wiki, and I feel it deserves more than what Ghost was giving it in his words. As for the ban, I banned him after his last comment to me on your talk-page, nothing to do with chat. I also don't agree that he used his powers to unban himself and ban me in retaliation, but I'll leave that for you to handle. I realize now how selfish I've been drawing this out and you have my word from now on not to exasperate things here on this whole manner. Dragon Skål! 21:12, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

You got a friend in meEdit

I know a lot of people don't seem to listen to you, but I agree with what you say. Hell, you didn't make b-crat for nothing. I do think all the childish arguing is going too far now, especially since it all occured on your talk page. You are doing a great job, KC, don't give up over a little bickering! Loves :D NextTattoo"Even In Death May You Be Triumphant" 09:21, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Wasteland wikiEdit

The Wasteland Wiki has approved my request to be our affiliate, Clyde. By now they have added a link to our site and I did the same for them on our wiki. They have a link here on the main portal page and FNV portal. And I've added them to our menu of Fallout games. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 18:27, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Boosting Edit

I agree with you in total upon that principle, but I think this case warrants a ban on achievement boosting and I say this because he/she has a 100 consecutive edit a day tallys streak (until the ban) because he/she was making 1-3 edits a day and then pulling a ghost for the rest of the day. Also didn't help my opinion when he/she was making edits his/her user-page without actually changing anything, and he/she did this on more than one occasion. However, if you still think this doesn't warrant an achievement boosting ban, I'll respect you on your wishes and I'll change the ban accordingly. I'll be looking forward to your response. Dragon Skål! 05:53, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Achievement Boosting Edit

Hey Clyde sorry to bother you but, I have been accused of achievement boosting for my edits on Van Buren articles. You can go look at my talk page for the notice, but I'm going to add my response on here.

Only reason why I do it like that because if I do one huge edit It will never process it. Like if I made the whole Cipher Adult page, it will never publish. That's the only reason why I make little ass edits which I can't stand because it takes soooooo much longer and I have to wait sometimes an ungodly amount of time just waiting for it publish.

That was my response but I'm no longer going to comment on this since I don't see what I'm doing wrong, and if so point it out for me. ToCxHawK 02:24, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

BusinessMonkey: How can I contact an administrator for contesting my ban? Edit

Hi. I feel I've been wrongfully banned, but I can't find any way (without logging off) to contact an administrator, so I'll just try this, since it's the only way I know.

I was warned by GarouxBloodline, yesterday March 10, but just a few hours after, without me having done anything since the warning, I get banned. I think this is unfair past the concern whether I've been achievement boosting or not. I think it's all right to warn me about unwanted behaviour, but to directly ban without having seen a change in behaviour from after the warning was given, is to me outrageous. Had I had a chance to correct or defend myself first, it would have been more fair. Now I find myself reclused and without option to contest anything under my own name. If you, as GarouxBloodline pointed out, decide to warn me, then how the jiffy do you jump to banning? If you set rules and protocol, you should be the first to be consistent about it. Changing a judgement, which is presented to me in the warning as a consensus, over the course of a few hours is not admirable from a user's point of view. I'd even go as far as to complain that doing so is even worse than doing one grammatical correction as my changing of 'i' to the grammatically correct 'I' in my own User Page.

Secondly I'd like to know how to contact an administrator through my own user, instead of being forced to log out and contact anonimously.

Sincerely BusinessMonkey

So I have been unbanned? (I guess I am since I can post here now.) I want to first apologize if my behaviour is considered achievement boosting. I am not an experienced wiki user, so I usually look at small things in general. Many of my small edits try to create better sentences and make things more understandable in general. I work very slowly so I tend to do small things then save instead of writing big edits in one lump, so the sideeffect is that it counts faster towards the achievements no matter what. If I have misunderstood some things about the procedures of editing, like rather make big edits (which I then fear can be changed meanwhile by another user editing that page) than look at smaller elements and change them one by one, I'd like to see where such behavior is being adviced somewhere on this page. (Haven't stumbled over some rules saying we rather want big, full edits rather then small ones). By the way, I'm not contesting anything anymore since I regard the above post as the contesting itself. Thanks for clearing this up. ZappaBusinessMonkey 22:50, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

 ? Edit

What do you mean? We talked about it yesterday, -you and I- and Sigma just asked if the whole matter was resolved between you and I. He then stated that he'd feel more comfortable with talking with J as well to get his opinion and I guess they talked about the matter as well. You'd best ask him about that as I wasn't here when that conversation took place. Dragon Skål! 22:26, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hawk went to you first, if I remember correctly. Leon told me you gave your stance on it, so we went to J to get his. -ΣΔLet's talk! 22:36, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Vulpes Inculta Edit

I discussed this with an Admin (Garoux) and another user. This is the agreed upon translation, and I know it is correct since I didn't just use a translator but actually have studied Latin. And also, I've been here long enough to know how the article format goes, and it's correct the way it is. Appearances->Behind the scenes->Bugs. -ΣΔLet's talk! 22:16, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Just to let you know Edit

That I can't thank you enough! I haven't been able to get my hands on another copy of System Shock 2 and Total Annihilation until now. Dragon Skål! 07:24, March 13, 2012 (UTC)


Fallout: New Vegas creatures project finishedEdit

Project award - Fallout New Vegas creatures
Nukapedia Project Medal
You have been awarded the Nukapedia Project Medal for your efforts within the Fallout: New Vegas creatures project.
Thanks for helping out with the project! --Kastera (talk) 20:36, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Requirement adminship requestEdit

I just read Gunny's remark about adminship requirements and that made me think. As I can guess, Mystery Stranger is planning to make an adminship request. However, according to the adjustment policy rule that you will need to have held the mod position for 2 months, he can't apply. He's not a mod, but a patroller. I think we should include patroller also in that new policy rule. Most important thing when applying admin is to have edit experience and Mystery has plenty of that, mods just have the chatmod rights as an extra. So I suggest mods as well as patrollers can apply for adminship when they have held either position for 2 months. Then Mystery still needs to wait till April 3rd (the day he got his patrol rights), but as it is now, he first needs to apply for mod and only then can apply for admin. That's not fair. And I'm pretty sure he didn't know of the change in the policy, I wasn't even fully aware of it. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:59, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

We've already had a rewrite a couple of months ago, most notable change admin req from 500 to 1000. But looking at the new reqs for the various positions I guess they can be upped a bit more... Anyway, about the patrollers, in my opinion they are on the same level as mods. So Mystery should at least be able to apply on April 3rd. He was planning on doing it tomorrow, he wasn't aware of the new policy. So this news is quite a disappointment for him (check his TP). That 'having held mod pos 2 months' policy change has been to low profiled. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 23:10, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe a situation.. Edit

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Gauzz_Rifle/My_mistakes I just though I'd raise this to your attention, so you may take an opinion on it. Sorry if this was already in your attention, but yea, just making sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Old World Relics (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

User rights policyEdit

By special pages, you mean the Special:Listusers? Could be done I suppose, but we would need to adjust the requirements for the patroller request, more towards mod request requirements. We've had some problem with the mod requests in the past, when edit active people applying for mod were getting heat because of not being in chat. That would solve that problem and on top of that save a mod voting thread (more going back to rollback handout). In that case, patrollers should be edit-active for 2 months then after getting their patrol rights, before they can apply for admin. Something like that I think. People can still become moderator, but it would be in 2 steps, getting rollback, and later on applying for chatmod. Admin requirement to 1250 mainspace?

Btw, I discovered a loophole in the current rights policy. At the mod section it says you can't apply for moderator if you have made a previous failed adminship request. But that's no a possible circumstance. Because to even make an adminship request, you need to be a moderator. And you're just in phase of applying for mod here, so you can't already have made a failed adminship request. (Hope you can follow and understand this logic..). Jspoel Speech Jspoel 23:11, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Out of TouchEdit

I do feel you're out of touch. I don't know why you're taking this personally, but in terms of a community leader, you're not much of a community man. How many users here do you actually know? Are you up to date with the people's current concerns, and not just what my fellow admins concern themselves with? I'm afraid that this community is straying away from the people and focusing on the editing aspect. And, yes, I know that this site exists to edit. But few people actually come here to make edits, and it's always the same people who you see in the recent changes (Jspoelstra, Gunny, Tocinoman etc.) so I think it's safe to say that the majority of people aren't here to contribute. I've been told by countless users that they feel like their opinions don't matter, and that's the first sign that there's a rift in the community. When it's always the respected users who get their say and not the common user, it's just going to make people unhappy and create a bigger rift in this place. I honestly mean it when I say I think you're a great, smart guy. But if you think that being a bureaucrat merely means that you can add and remove rights, then that's a problem that you need to change. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 01:19, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Disregard the above message. Thanks to some words from a mutual friend, I think I see what you're getting at, Clyde. There's no need to quarrel between leaders. It's not your job to keep the community happy, but if it concerns me, then I'll make it my job. If we all work together, we can all be happy. I don't need to be a bureaucrat to make a change, am I right? I'm sorry for my stupidity, and I'm going to make this community come together in a more mutually beneficial way. We have a deal? Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 01:34, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Chat Edit

It was good talking to you as well... Sorry I was afk longer than expected. Gimmie a shout if you ever need me. Agent c

Abuse of persons in the fallout wikiaEdit

I recently reported the Limiegril because she made the discussion short about donwloading the wasteland game 1 which is not pirated because they are not on the shop anymore. She abused the persons and closed the discussion. I denounced the opress of I and the others of the tread to the Joelstra but he has since allied with the rouge administrators Limiegirl and the GaxorBloodine and made the ban on me I now cannot even reply and make the denfese because the the GaroxBlodine will not allow. I have made the travel of the kilometers and arrived at the friends home so I will use the connections that was not yet oppressed by the rouge administrators and the manager ally (Joelstra) fallout.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Jspoelstra. I have come to you resolve the abuse and punish the oppressors and the ally for the crimes against me and the oppress of the wasteland game 1 download. I am making the warning to you that I discovered the truth that the fallout wikia is owned by another wikia and I contact the owner Sannse at this moment to invervene and punish the allies against me. If you do not punish them yourself at this moment I am afraid that the Sannse will beleive that you are the incompetent to me the manager of the fallout wikia and he will remove you and do what he seems fit to do to you and I am sure the the it will not be the pleasant.

--Юрий Карлов (Yuri Karlov)--

I have responded to this here. For your own judgment if you want to add something to that. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 15:48, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Power Abuse Edit

Hey Clyde. Can you say something to EB? He was really abusing his power in chat earlier; he banned me for absolutely no reason. Thanks a lot. BILLYOCEAN Wanna talk? 02:59, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Lmfao EBTalk 03:01, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Obviously he is unrepentant and doesn't deserve his responsibilities. I'm still banned btw. BILLYOCEAN Wanna talk? 03:04, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
Lmfao EBTalk 03:12, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
Have you seen http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Adminship_Request_-_EB683 ? He doesn't seem to take this place seriously, and appears to have some kind of vendetta against me. BILLYOCEAN Wanna talk? 03:24, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
That was obviously a fake page made by you to make me look bad, this ban was nothing more than a gag that you were aware of and you do this.. I am sorely disappointed in your actions. EBTalk 03:29, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
That's pretty pathetic. Clyde can check the history very easily and see who made that page. Nice try though. It only got deleted cuz you begged Cartman! in chat, in a cowardly attempt to cover your tracks. BILLYOCEAN Wanna talk? 03:30, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
I have no clue what you're talking about, you're obviously taking this whole gag ban way too seriously and I believe that we should quit while we are ahead... EBTalk 03:32, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Hi there Clyde. For what it's worth, I personally don't think EB deserves his ban. Billy was just joking around in chat, asked EB to ban him, and EB did. I don't think Billy was expecting it, and I don't think EB was actually abusing his powers. It was just a little joke and neither of them are to blame. I was there and I can say that EB wasn't actually abusing his powers, he was just playing around but he didn't mean to make Billy upset. Either way, it's all up to you. Thanks for listening. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 09:02, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Arguing Edit

I wasn't singling you out with my comment there Clyde. It's just... well, even I'm starting to get demotivated these days with all of the changes trying to get pushed through by well-meaning users with the wrong ideas and all of the animosity that is clearly wrecking the relationships between us all. Maybe animosity is the wrong word, but all of this infighting is clearly having an impact on how we've been speaking to each other lately. Anyways, I understand you're on edge these days and you've been having to defend yourself lately when you shouldn't have to in the first place, so I wanted to drop by and let you know that you weren't the target of my comment. That comment was made from my frustrations towards these changes lately and how all of the sudden some user's are trying to make it where we have to lick the bottoms of every user's boots. I'm getting very worried now. Dragon Skål! 01:47, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Friends ListEdit

Haha, thanks Clyde.
You seem to be in a good mood today. It's nice to see you happy. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 08:47, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

My threadEdit

That thought occured to me too, but this is a rather lightweight subject which we can squeeze through among the heavier ones right now. This one won't create much of a heated discussion I think. And it needed some attention, I promised a try-out and just received a request from TPA for a vote. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:56, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

CartmanEdit

Just letting you know, I'm gone from this place until something is done about Cartman. He has the nerve to insult me, and provoke me, to then call me a troll and say that I deserve to be banned. You can see it all in the Mutual Understanding blog under the Known user/Sysop privileges discussion. So, bye Clyde. I was hoping to make this place better but as long as administrators like Cartman keep putting people down, I can't do that. Either he goes, or you won't be seeing me around here anymore. Yes Man defaultUser Avatar talk 11:13, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

On this note, the little tantrum that Yes-Man threw is nothing I (as well as some other administrators I've conferred with, along with the entirety of chat) want as a part of this administration. I've put up a reconfirmation request for Yes-Man in the fora. Hugs MadeMan2 "Say 'ello to my little friend!"
Looks like we have 2 camps here. I was more of thinking in the line of a reconfirmation request for Cartman. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 19:41, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
Yes-Man lost his composure in a most non-befitting way, insulted Cartman and threw one of this wiki's patented drama queen fits. Cartman stayed remarkably objective throughout the debate. Hugs MadeMan2 "Say 'ello to my little friend!"
I gotta agree with Jspoel on the cartman thing. Additionally I think it is wrong for this vote to be opened before Yes-Man has had the opportunity to defend himself. Okay, maybe he should face a vote, but voting should not be permitted until we hear his side, hear if theres any external pressures that contributed to this, etc. Agent c 20:09, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
The vote has a two-week duration and a specific header for Yes-Man to place his defence when and if he gets it. He additionally said he left, so we can't be sure he'll ever see it. Hugs MadeMan2 "Say 'ello to my little friend!"

User talk:Kingclyde Archive 7

Clearing the Air Edit

Clyde, in response to your recent comment on Yessie's poll, I am now compelled to confront you directly about some of your recent comments to me and others that I feel are inapropriate.

I would like to point out before proceeding that this is no means an attack on your character, or your opinions. It is however criticism of the way you are putting things.

You may not believe this, but it saddens me to do this, because until the last week I actually had a positive impression of you. This view has now been challenged.

Be polite: It's not only important what you say but also how you say it. Be civil when talking to other people and treat them with respect. This site is built on cooperation.http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Wiki:User_conduct_guideline
When you see a page blanking, just revert the damn thing, how hard is that? Do we really need to create yet another rule. "It just discusses violations in general, which can be easily tracked in block history" - Exactly, why do we need a rule to let admins become lazy?http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:User_talk_page,_the_vote

Your apparent dismissal here of the arguments for this just being admins wanting to be lazy appears to be the construction of a straw man argument. It was not respectful.

I know I will not change your mind and the fact that you would come here to a forum and tell me that you are "disappointed in me" is a slap in the face. Next time tell me in chat or on my talk page, don't disgrace or insult me on a forum page. I never did that to you and I expected civility.

You've outright mischaracterised my line (the exact line was "I am disappointed in the example you continue to use" . I had not said I am disappointed in you" nor had I said anything to that effect). I don't consider that civil or respectful, you put words into my mouth that were not there.

I'm done dealing with a brick wall

Civil? Respectful?

I didn't realized using analogies was inappropriate

Straw man argument - Not respectful.

Assume good faith: Do your best to assume that other editors are trying to help unless you have evidence to the contrary. Accidents happen, and not everybody has a lot of experience with editing a wiki.http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Wiki:User_conduct_guideline
I want an honest and concise reason as to why you have decided to come here and make accusations and hurl insults around like its nobody's business.

You outright accused another user of bad faith.

And I never compared users to dogs, you need to drop that as it seems you have an itch to block me because I don't agree with you

By assigning me motivations I had not had, you've assumed bad faith.

come in here and try and derail this current thread you are out of line. Please take time to read what I posted. I know that you seem to have issues with everything I say so feel free to argue back.

Assumed bad faith - Twice in one paragraph.

Be bold: If you find something that can be improved, improve it and encourage others to do the same.http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Wiki:User_conduct_guideline
but simply put you are not an admin or a bc. This poll was put up for one reason. You are unfortunately not in the position to offer up an "alternate solution". All that does is simply make it more confusing for others. The results of this poll with either end with Yes-Man retaining his admin rights or having them removed. Please do not come into a discussion like this and undercut it's purpose.

I saw something that could be improved... But I should say nothing?

I hope this feedback will assist you in improving your communication style. Agent c 03:34, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

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