Re: Lindens Power ArmorEdit
Hi, I think that removing the one paragraph was too much, and it's not really said by anyone that his armor isn't considered Outcast anymore, it's just a bad job on Bethesda's part for not including additional dialogue if you have it. I thank you for your edits, but this particular one was not correct, sorry. "Semper Invictus" 01:22, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
Frank Horrigan Edit
I do agree with you that it could do with the break-up, I was on a work break at the time so didn't have much time other than to pull it out. Something more 'academically sounding' would be great, I was thinking statistically might work, but it still doesn't feel right. See what you can come up with :) Sakaratte (talk) 21:39, March 20, 2017 (UTC)
- Swapping it to a section worked well, it certainly makes it clear that it's different to the rest of the content. I don't know if you've seen Jspoel's edit yet, he just changed it to a subsection. Worth bearing in mind for next time :) Sakaratte (talk) 18:03, March 22, 2017 (UTC)
Power armor Edit
I just saw your edit for power armor and I'm a little in two minds about it. Strictly speaking the armor does cease to function once the core is drained (it becomes a dead weight in effect) and i was going to revert it on that grounds. That said you can still operate it without a core, making you correct in your change. What i am wondering is there a better way of wording it concisely? If neither of us can come up with something I'll think again on keeping or reverting. Sakaratte (talk) 16:22, March 22, 2017 (UTC)
Robobrain typo Edit
Thank you for having a go at fixing that typo error. Might have been a long while before anyone spotted it. The problem was that there was an "]" after the file name instead of an "|". Thought I'd let you know incase you see any in the future Sakaratte - Talk to the cat 21:33, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
Provoking induce 'distress'. Herds implies 'communal'. Also, Chalk isn't stating a fact, but his own speculation that is contradicted by Lily (who calls them 'sweet, gentle creatures'), in game effects (they do not go after settlements on their own), and their low aggression settings (only the bulls have 1-star aggression, the others are not aggressive at all). The edit implies something that doesn't happen in the game (even the Zion Bighorners). Mad Dog Fargo (talk) 06:39, May 9, 2017 (UTC)
- You are arguing semantics, basically inserting description because you feel your words are slightly different than the existing, which maybe true, but the point is that the edit doesn't add any any information to the article except add more clutter and needless fluff. The ornery part of the description has already been covered, so it's redundant to say it again.
- Yes, "sweet, gentle creatures" is contradicted by the claim that they will attack settlements.
- Regarding what Chalk said - have you played through the game? At no point will Bighorners attack a settlement in Mojave. He also didn't say they do that when distressed (again, that's speculation) only if calf is not returned, and it was said as a quest trope than actual game-play info. That statement just add confusion because it is just the the opinion of one of the expansion characters with no actual game relevance.
- If you feel what Chalk said should be noted, feel free to do it in the notes. Should also reference the quest in Honest Hearts if you want to add new material. Mad Dog Fargo (talk) 10:05, May 9, 2017 (UTC)
- "You started it."
- No, you started it when you argue that 'herd' and 'communal' are not the same and somehow material information for inclusion.
- "My edit does add new information to the article, expanding upon ingame behaviour."
- Just what exactly are you trying to add? That bighorners are ornery? Already mentioned and covered. That they attack settlements when distressed? That's not true in the main game and based on speculation.
- "The "ornery" part of the quote also directly contradicts the point you were trying to make."
- Good. Then you agree Lily contradicted Chalk with her 'sweet, gentle' statement then? Do you even remembered you claimed Lily's agreed with Chalk?
- Again, you can argue semantics all you want. Herd and communal implies the same thing here - that the group protect their youths.
- This is a game-play guide, not a story guide. Speculating on the background is frowned upon. Again, if you want to note the opinion (and it's an opinion only) of Chalk in the context of the quest, go ahead. To take that and state it as a fact that applies to all bighorners is just false speculation. Chomp Lewis thought it takes artillery to kill a Deathclaw. Should that be noted in the Deathclaw article that it takes artillery to kill one? Ludicrous.
I think both of you have merits in this situation, Kazeite, can you add a list of sources to my talk page? I do feel at least part for you edit should remain. The part relating to attacking settlements feel too speculative, it is one man's fears rather than eyewitness testimony. Sakaratte - Talk to the cat 07:28, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Someone using quotes the same way you did to show the illogic of drawing a generalization from a NPC's opinion is not 'quote mining'. However, your counter-argument IS using censorship when you ran out of valid arguments. Mad Dog Fargo (talk) 11:01, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
- Did I say all deathclaws? No, you did. I said 'a deathclaw'. Nice try putting strawman words into other people's mouth when you don't have a rebuttal. The stupid thing (which I assume you are smart enough to note) is that your red herring doesn't really change the argument. Would it be factual to claim that it takes artillery to kill a Mother Dealthclaw or Alpha or whatever since that's what Chomp Lewis said? No, it wouldn't.
- If you want to argue, argue that part. Don't change the subject.
- "The reader isn't forced at gunpoint to read through all of it"
- Then by all means copy everything you read on the internet about all dogs onto that article. The reader isn't forced to read through all of it. I'm sure all the mods won't mind. Sorry you don't like it but there are rules and guidelines on what to include. Mad Dog Fargo (talk) 11:28, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
- I've taken a look now at the sources you gave and the statement about about the whole herd getting aggressive is only partially correct, bad tempered or difficult would be the appropriate phrasing and makes it sufficiently different from the second paragraph. Mad Dog Fargo's reasoning for reverting is sound, it was written with embellishment and does need re-wording. The later part about attacking settlements is speculative as it is based on Follows-Chalk's own speculation. What I am going to recommend as a solution is for you to rewrite it on the talk page, that way what gets transferred to the article is agreed and the discussion is available to others in the future if they wish to dispute it.
Mad dog has now come back to me and is in agreement with the solution. I've uploaded both paragraphs to the talk page. To make life easy for everyone and so we have a transparent discussion for the future, can you keep all discussion to the article talk page. Sakaratte - Talk to the cat 08:59, May 12, 2017 (UTC)
"they will leap on the trespasser and attempt to rip out their throat."
"Their typical lifespan varies among different breeds, but for most of them the median longevity (measure of the average time an organism is expected to live) ranges from 10 to 13 years."
- You used the general internet as a source for creatures in the game world? The article isn't about modern dogs, but dogs in the Fallout world in the future. And the "rip out their throat" part is purely your own addition - real life dogs do not do that as instincts. There's no need to add 'fluff' to articles based on real life. Besides irrelevancy all that does is add minutiae without helping readers/players in any way.
- Again, you are using your own speculations to the articles, not basing them on in-game description nor game play. Please stop. This is not a fan-fiction guide. Mad Dog Fargo (talk) 10:40, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
- I've reverted the change on dog relating to real world biology, we don't know if radiation levels and environmental changes have affected average life span. If we ever get confirmation this from a fallout world perspective it can be re-entered. Use of real world biology, with exception to comparison to game biology is speculative as we don't know what has and hasn't changed since the war. Please bear this in mind when updating biology as it will be reverted.
- I finish work in around 4 hours and I will make a call when can sit down at my pc and read through properly, in the mean time please avoid the back and forth argument on your talk pages, it doesn't look good to other contributors. I know you both have some strong feelings about this and tempers are clearly rising to some degree so implore you both go take a breather from this discussion until I can make decision. Normally i don't got involved unless asked, but I am stepping in to mediate to prevent this discussion from escalating further. Sakaratte - Talk to the cat 12:24, May 10, 2017 (UTC)
- I'm going to add a Caveat in here. They should be added if they notable (in one or two locations) or can be found in an usual quantity. Otherwise we hold have a ridiculously long list of locations that provides no value. Sakaratte - Talk to the cat 20:24, May 13, 2017 (UTC)
Re: Deathclaw version Edit
Wow, I never even encountered a chameleon deathclaw in FO4. In fact, I didn't even play most of the add-ons. I think I should get back to playing it sometime.
Anyway, I've changed the page. My main problem with the "this particular version" sentence was that it wasn't clear which version it was talking about. Thanks for explaining it!
- FDekker talk 17:48, December 18, 2017 (UTC)
They are waterproofed in that they don't take damage underwater and water cannot get into them while they're closed. And per the edit summary, that is directly stated in the terminal entries. Great Mara (talk) 03:06, January 7, 2018 (UTC)
Try to be more creative with the replacing the player with Sole Survivor. Reading it 8 times in the span of a few sections makes my skin crawl. There are more options. Jspoel 21:10, January 18, 2018 (UTC)
Pip Boy GloveEdit
How do you know it is? To say something is being used without being able to see it is speculatory. The only controls shown being used are the knob and turn dial. Great Mara (talk) 18:03, August 1, 2018 (UTC)
- It's not shown to do anything, so it shouldn't be stated as a fact that it does something. Great Mara (talk) 20:40, August 1, 2018 (UTC)
Re: Virgil's note Edit
Thank you for your answer. I'm currently making a Fallout 4 video, and I was looking for intresting facts and secrets about the game, and that note seemed rather interesting. I will give you credit for your help. --Nbalint98 (talk) 13:41, November 23, 2018 (UTC)