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Your wiki. It is beautiful. Edit

I was just stopping by, looking around, you know all that. And then I saw your wiki search layout. And then I saw your auto refresh function. It was glorious. I tried looking around your wiki's common.js for bits I could steal borrow indefinitely, then I realized I have no idea how to read js. If you could spare some time to give me the code for at least those two functions, it would greatly appreciated. [A|A] Annoy me here 06:19, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Stacked mags Edit

Js, the magazine is single-stacked. It's a half the width of a normal STANAG magazine, Figure it out., I'll do it for you
Service rifle magazine compare

Service rifle magazine IS single-stack.

. Being single-stacked (The service rifle's magazine), even an idiot can tell there's only place for ten in there.

Parabat (talk) 19:48, December 13, 2013 (UTC)Parabat

Season's greetings! Edit

SaintPain Apocryphal Metatron
You have been given The Defender's Kit !.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
Happy Holidays to you ! Soldier on ! SaintPain TinySaintPain

Thank you again for all your support & guidance in this past year.

SaintPain TinySaintPainHere to help." 11:20, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

Shari EllikerEdit

Where did you get this from. You told me it was just a guess, and the raider voice type sounds nothing like her. 69.l25 (talk) 18:29, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for letting me know. A few raiders have "FemaleAdult01" as their voicetype, so we can say that she voiced them. The only problem is really Centre Dubois, but we can go off of what her page/IMBD says and just say Elliker voiced her. 69.l25 (talk) 03:37, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure you're no bot?

Winner Saturday picture Helena Week 8Edit

FO3 Nuka-Cola
You have been given a Nuka Cola.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
A well deserved ice cold Nuka Cola for being a loyal visitor to the blog (and of course for winning it each time :p ) Greets

A question Edit

I'd like to know how to upload a music track to the wiki. I haven't the slightest idea how to do it, and I'd like some pointers. Also, is there a specific length of time that the track can be? Leea (talk) 23:13, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Man, I have no idea what a converter is. The song's on my harddrive. The track is 5 minutes and 56 seconds. I was gonna try to upload it to SaintPain's talk page as a Christmas gift. Would that have been possible? Leea (talk) 23:39, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Winner Friday picture Helena Week 9Edit

Nightkin regular
You have been given a Nightkin.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
A very nice and caring friend, just don't look at him too often! Greets

Patroller Rights... Edit

Hey J, I know I am early by days on this but I wanted to get this here now with everything going on with Nukapedia. I am asking for Patroller Rights... I know we talked about it and you said to try and give it 2 months before asking but I know (and hopefully you know and see this) that I am very reliable and active on here. I love editing and it makes part of my day. Since my "return" last month I have made 263 article edits. Albeit, some of them were minor, a lot of them were not. I have created pages, scanned for vandals, etc. I am also a very watchful eye. Since my edits usually come in the form of "monitoring the waste" (click random page or wiki activity) I can easily spot incorrect wording and grammar, validate bugs, add verification and tags, and spot the harmful vandals. I am always on top when I am here and I can assure you that I will not abruptly leave the wiki like I did in June of '13. I can see if this is a bit soon, but with the sad departure of Dead Gunner and 69.I25 we only have 6 active patrollers and only 3 of those are truly "active". I am always active and on key. I will be here when anyone needs help or I see a vandal and can hit that RollBack feature and notify an Admin or Bureaucrat. I hope you see eye to eye with this on me and give me a chance at this. But if you don't I understand and will keep trying for the most part and give my 110%. I hope you have a wonderful day and thanks for reading this. RangerSequoia "Some say this user used to be a Patroller..." Wiki 05:37, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

I understand J. I will keep editing and everything, but I am not going to ask again for rights. As I really do want them, I don't need them. Maybe it's good not to have the hassle but since my leave I just don't know if it's right anymore. Anyways, thank you for taking time to read this and consider it. Maybe I'll be one again someday but who knows. Have a nice day/night. RangerSequoia "Some say this user used to be a Patroller..." Wiki 07:57, December 23, 2013 (UTC)


I've transferred the contents of the Mercenary (Fallout 3) page to my sandbox in case they need to be accessed later. In the meantime, the page should be deleted, as it's a duplicate; we already have a Mercenary (dead) page. Can you delete it? 69.l25 (talk) 22:08, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

Goodsprings Saloon Edit

I read that note you added just now - very interesting! But is there a source/reference we could put down for readers who are curious? --Skire (talk) 15:52, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

It's displaying fine for me. What browser are you using? If you take a screenshot, I can try to work out the issue or I might just remove it altogether to resolve the issue. --Skire (talk) 16:30, December 24, 2013 (UTC)
I removed the images. It depends on width of your display, so it would show up differently for everyone, not to mention I can't really see it that well on the preview screen. No worries. And Merry Christmas to you too! =) --Skire (talk) 17:16, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Happy holidaysEdit


You have been given The Golden Editor.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
Marry Christmas! --Ant2242 (talk) 16:48, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Removal of my edit on Talk:Pa's fishing aidEdit

I did send him/her a message on their talkpage, but not everyone is aware that they get messages there. Do you really need to get involved every time I contact someone about this stuff? I literally sent this person our policy on talkpages, which explains exactly what they did wrong, and that's not good enough? If they don't know they should use talkpages for discussing an article after reading a sentence that says exactly that, then there's no helping them. 69.l25 (talk) 23:02, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

I get what you're saying; if I just remove someone's post without saying anything they'll be confused and might not want to come back. I just can't see it that way completely. Look: What's the first thing you see on the talk page? If I don't put that template there, Great Mara usually does. If this user came back to the talkpage to see their post gone, a huge sign that literally says, "This is what you can and can't do" greeted them. I think a huge sign explaining things that shows up directly on a page is more useful than maybe an edit summary, which will appear in the page's history/recent activity, which is something a new user may not know about.
I've been thinking about making some sort of template that we can put on users' talkpages explaining any mistake in misusing a talkpage in further detail( -something like the {{Talkpage}} template, but for user talk pages instead.) It would save time having to individually contact someone every time they write about how this gun is really cool or about how something broke in the game when they did this or that. Does that sound good at all? 69.l25 (talk) 23:34, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Question Edit

Hi J. I hope you're enjoying your Christmas Day! =) I was wondering what the practice is for bureaucrat requests - to have it open for seven or fourteen days? I believe the latter has been the norm, but there's no official written policy on it. Consistency is important, IMO. Please let me know. --Skire (talk) 20:01, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Winner Thursday picture Helena Week 10Edit

Metal cooking pan
You have been given a cooking pan.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish to ever get a decently cooked meal. Enjoy it! Greets

Casings Edit

Hi! You think File:9mm shellcasing.png|this is a 9mm case? I'll show you a REAL 9MM CASE! :P also :) --Теодорико (talk) 09:23, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take a look Edit

Alright. Is there some link to them someplace so I don't have to search the wiki over? Leea (talk) 16:21, December 29, 2013 (UTC)


Any idea how to fix this? I really don't know how to go about editing the default layout. 69.l25 (talk) 17:00, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

Where's the page, though. I'm talking about when you start a project and click the "srtandard/default" option for a page, it automatically sets you up with "which." 69.l25 (talk) 17:16, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll try to change it now.
The difference between "which" and "that" is that you use one for restrictive clauses and one for nonrestrictive clauses (when you're not talking about people). "Which" is nonrestrictive; whatever you say after the subject applies to the subject no matter what. For example "This wiki uses projects, which can be created by any user." "Can be created by any user" is true for any project, so you use "which."
"That" is for restrictive clauses; "The project that deals with FO3 and FNV character stats is the one I came up with." Because "deals with FO3 and FNV character stats" does not apply to all projects, "that" must be used. So when you make a new project, it should be "The X Project is a project that aims to Y" because "aims to Y" does not apply to all projects; Y will change depending on the project's goal. 69.l25 (talk) 17:37, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
Where exactly can I change it? 69.l25 (talk) 17:51, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
Just changed it. Thanks for the help! 69.l25 (talk) 17:54, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

Winner Saturday picture Helena Week 10Edit

Radiation suit
You have been given an advanced radiation suit.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
The perfect gear for the tasks where your pip-boy may otherwise be too noisy. Greets

Voting Edit

Done! Thanks for the pointer. --FFIX (talk) 21:31, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

I've got a question about votes. On voting on something, does the number of yes or no (even neutral) votes decide what's going to pass, or does someone look over the votes later and decide based on the votes? Leea (talk) 23:13, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

Hi J. I couldn't help but snoop in on this. FW:P states, "The vote needs to run for a week at minimum and at least 10 votes are required for it to be valid; a simple majority is sufficient to pass." Although it is referring to proposals, I think it also applies to user rights requests (themselves being a type of proposal). I believe this is what you were looking for. --Skire (talk) 00:26, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

Input & too much of my life story Edit

I am honored by the respect & support you have shown me here.

  • I am indeed here quite a'bit, maybe too much. As you know, I visit Nukapedia almost daily and yes on all the blogs and forums I do have a great amount of contact with many of our members, but in the past my involvement with site politics damn near got me banned for life.
  • I give you my word, I will always do my best to support this wiki in good faith and "if need be" come to the defense of any members rights, just as I have always done in real life for the citizens of my country and to some small extent the world.

Still here is the rub: I am, to be honest, a wee bit unstable right now. My years of military service never hurt me so much as when I was "Honorably", yet against my will, separated form that life by mandatory retirement. Civilian life did not suit me very well.. After a few years of Veterans Administration hospital therapy/medication I only recently survived long enough to win my social security case, so I no longer need loose sleep to fears of becoming homeless. I can even afford a basic gym membership at a club that has a pool and this has done my mind, body and soul a world of good beyond any medical or therapeutic treatments.

Last year and a bit before but especially around the time of my 1,000 year ban, it was a very dark time for me. I am some what better but there is no quick fix.

  • The point of me boring you with my life story is: I am avoiding most all political frustrations.
  • I think it best, for now at least, I leave it to the majority of members to say how and by whom they should be guided.

* All I want is to come here and share a love of the Fallout series & maybe a laugh or two along the way.

Still I do thank you for considering my opinion valid. It dose my heart good.

SaintPain TinySaintPainHere to help." 04:50, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

Shell casings (cont.)Edit

Yeap, you got that right. Found them by accident while making image for grenade rifle long barrel - it was like: "WTF is blocking my perfect, shiny barrel??? Oh, wait, it's a grenade!". :)

So, yeah, in Nifskope: remove the gun from the bullet (pun intended); remove NiVisController-s (we need the bullets to be visible at all times); apply 1stperson textures (if applicable); save modified mesh in ...\Data\Meshes. In GECK: make a static object from the mesh; render it in any way you want.

On the side note: Some of that ammo is really strange looking. E.g. that's how 45-70 supposed to look like in the real world: Modded 45-70.png|Modded 45-70.png, and that's how it looks like in Fallout: File:Geck Патрон кал. 45-70.png. But, well, it is as it is, we are here to publish facts, not to change them.

PS: Js, you (and everyone at every Wiki) should stop using NifSkope for rendering - even if it doesn't screw the image right away, it may render things not in the same way, as the game does. Remember that back pack from File:Fo3TP_Tribal_T45D_power_armor.png? Well, the image is still incorrect - there's a blood stain on the left sleeve, which isn't supposed to be there... Just saying...

--Теодорико (talk) 07:42, December 30, 2013 (UTC)


I'll remove the collapsible setting for the "Technical" section; it looked weird to have it show a block of info after two collapsed sections, but I'm fine with changing that. As for the infobox parameters, I don't think it's that big of a deal. Someone will just have to go through each chunk of the infobox template and add parameters 41-43; I don't have access, so I can't do it, but, like you said, I'm sure Gunny can take a look at it. The other option would be for me to make the changes in a sandbox and have someone with access to the template copy and paste the changes from my sandbox into the template page. It's up to you I suppose. 69.l25 (talk) 23:49, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and I've already added in all the new parameters, so we won't be dealing with any more at this point in time. 69.l25 (talk) 23:52, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
I'm just about done with the changes. I'm just going to look it over one more time. Can you copy and paste the stuff from my sandbox into the infobox template when I finish? 69.l25 (talk) 00:38, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
All you have to do is delete what's in the {{Infobox}} page and put in the data from here. If for some reason the changes don't work, then undo my changes, and we can contact Gunny. We can get this done now, but if I need to send a message to Gunny, we'd be stalling any chance of making progress with regards to fixing the infoboxes. 69.l25 (talk) 00:48, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
Okay. I'll leave Gunny a message, and we'll see if we can fix this later. 69.l25 (talk) 00:54, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
Hey, J, you probably already saw on 69's talk page, but we got a few kinks to work out. We'll roll back the recent infobox change and work in our sandboxes until it's perfect. Adding those few new lines won't be that big of a deal. 69's already done the lion's share of the work, but I think we got a small error to find and fix before it's ready. We'll fix it, make sure it's right and then update the templates. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 02:06, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
We've fixed the issue and went live with both infobox changes. Since the change to the infobox meta template effects all the infoboxes, let me know if you see anything wonky (I doubt there'll be any problems, I'm pretty sure the change is fine). The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 14:32, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah. That's good. All the stuff that should be visible on page load shows now. Thanks. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 14:52, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

Why did you remove the GECK race? It's an entirely different piece of data. 69.l25 (talk) 16:59, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

I didn't move race to the "Technical" section; I made a new entry called "GECK race" and left race in the "Biography" section. This way we can have something like "Asian" in the race section but "AsianOldAged" in the GECK race section. 69.l25 (talk) 17:08, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
I think we should add it back, but then we'd have to change the infobox template again. 69.l25 (talk) 17:26, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
Sounds good. I'll start working on it. 69.l25 (talk) 17:38, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
It's just about ready. I'm going to test it really quickly. 69.l25 (talk) 17:54, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, everything works. Just paste this into {{Infobox}}, and I'll edit the character template to include GECK race in the collapsed "Technical" section. 69.l25 (talk) 18:05, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
No problems with the infoboxes! Everything's showing up. Thanks for the help. 69.l25 (talk) 18:13, December 31, 2013 (UTC)


Hey J, just swinging by to let you know that today is the day the film pages are to be completed. I noticed someone had 'done' them, or more copy and pasted some bits and didn't follow the format of my pages at all, so I'm going to correct them all. Thankfully it gave me the motivation to polish them off. Anywho, what I came to ask is: 1. How are you? Long time no speak; how's things going? Having a good holidays? 2. Anything I've majorly missed? I'll be editing quite heavily again soon I suspect when my new PC arrives (it's been delayed another week for no reason) as I'll be able to play Tactics for the first time, and eventually will get around to getting the newer two games for PC so can give them a second comeover, though I imagine that might be a while off. 3. Did you remove any film red-links? I think there are pages missing from those I picked out for creation. At any rate, is there anyway I could maybe establish a portal when it's done? Because once I've finished, it will become the first part of the wiki that can, with current information, be considered 100percent complete and(!) the only part of the wiki to be fully referenced. Thoughts?

Talk to you tomorrow, Max will be done first. If you are about it'd be a great help if you could comb through them as they're completed - other people catch the mistakes the writer doesn't because they automatically presume they're not there. -- GOTW User | Talk 04:10, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I completely agree that they should have been done, and haven't a bad word to say for him taking it upon himself, it's more that they weren't done properly. It's unimportant now though, I've already done them yesterday(?); maybe the day before. Oh yeah, what big prize? That NOTY, yes? Congrats either way. Yes, I'll be editing again alright. I went through the film treatment one last time and identified all the pages that need to be created, so just a few more and I think I can declare the project 100 per cent complete. As for the portal, no worries, I already went off the idea myself a few days ago! Happy New Year buddy! -- GOTW User | Talk 17:20, January 2, 2014 (UTC)


It worked. Switch to monobook. Sitenotice only works in monobook. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 16:45, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

Can't sitenotice only works in monobooc and is deprecated in the wikia skin. We *could* edit the text portion of MediaWiki:Communitymessages-notice-msg to send the message. It's not the same, but it's as close as we can get. Also, the front page media links are weird. The links work right on the template page and the source code looks right on the main page. We may have to send a bug report on this. We should try to transpose that template to a different page (sandbox or something) and see if it's just on the portal that it doesn't work. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 17:15, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
Np. I send out a message from community messages to test it. Looks like it works fine. We can use that to send special messages if needed. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 18:05, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

New Year! Edit

May this New Year all your dreams turn into reality and all your efforts into great achievements! --FunGorn and all ru.Fallout users!

Congratulations! Edit

Congrats! You're our 2013 Nukapedian of the Year! You can find your prize (the coveted Golden Bobblehead) here. Have a fantastic New Year. --Skire (talk) 01:10, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

The board felt that your consistent editing (along with service as bureaucrat) simply couldn't be overlooked. You're already over half way to 200,000! The board will be different people every year, and since you're this year's winner, I'd like to invite you to join me next year on the board. There's still plenty of time, and in the meanwhile, let's continue to build this wiki up! --Skire (talk) 01:33, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Player characterEdit

Ah, sorry, okay. I'll leave them for now. I was just told by 69 about how player character is preferred over player and pointed to that policy page thing, so I thought that was how it was and that I'd been doing it wrong. User OfficialLolGuy  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  02:21, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

I agree on that, I thought "player character" didn't sound good, and when I realised it was in the policy to have "player character" my thoughts on it were exactly the same as yours, that it wouldn't look good for readability. Garoux had a good idea though, with replacing some of it with "one". User OfficialLolGuy  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  02:32, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year & Congrats! Edit

Hey there! It goes without saying that you are one of the enduring leading figures on this fine Wiki, and I thought I would just stop by and congratulate you on your achievement(s). I would also like to thank you for all the help you've given me over my short time here; so thanks! --TribalWisdom(colour) Talk! 20:41, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Anyway, back to business for now but here's a little something from me:

Icon nuka victory
You have been given a bottle of Nuka-Cola Victory.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
If now's not the time for a swig of Victory, when is? Enjoy! --TribalWisdom(colour) Talk! 20:41, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Chat Edit

Can you come into chat J? Agent c (talk) 23:23, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Forum Edit

Hi J. Could you check out this forum and perhaps share your thoughts on its topic? --Skire (talk) 03:52, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

vandal Edit

71.201192 keeps adding unnecessary content and now he's vandalizing could you please take a look at this users edits. Crazy131 (talk) 19:07, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

NifSkope & GECK & stuff Edit

Hi, Jspoelstra! Happy New year and congratulations on becoming NotY!

  • NiVisController: NiVisController - here it is, just Ctrl+Del it and the ones-of-a-kind. (Hit the F2 key to toggle the block list, if you don't see it by default.) NifSkope ignores them, but GECK may hide some parts of the model, if the controller is present.
  • Static objects: In the GECK locate any static object (Object Window - World objects - Static) > double-click it > type a new ID (I prefer "000", as it is easier to find) > Edit > Edit (again) > select a mesh > OK > OK > Yes. Done, you got a new static object, which can be used as any other game object.
  • Images: Sure, take them. I believe this has been settled, but just in case: I fully support sharing materials between Wikis. I prefer uploading to the Russian Wiki due to numerous technical troubles with the common file storage. That's it, no more, no less.
  • .308 is from "This Machine", .50 is from AMR.
  • NifSkope is not bad, it is different. Lighting, textures, specular maps, visibility, projection... if you can manage to match all of this to the way how the GECK treats it, then NifSkope is as good as GECK. ;)
  • Khan clothing: It's just a default GECK pose. True-white NPCs? Just Google for "geck custom race tutorial" - some of them are written much better than I could possibly do. Unless you are willing to learn Russian... :)))

--Теодорико (talk) 23:23, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Hi! This one looks completely unnatural - usually, closer objects should appear larger. Guess what? You are using orthographic projection. In the name of the Atom, hit the F10 key! --Теодорико (talk) 22:42, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

By the way, I'm little bit iffy about posting 5,56 round in the Fallout 3 page - seems to me, this model is exclusive to FNV. ("That gun", varmint rifle) --Теодорико (talk) 23:32, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
A little bit speculative, but well... it's none of my business anymore. NiVisControllers are used to control visibility during animation. (e.g. grenade rifle reloading animation: empty shell comes out, whole grenade comes in. This is done via use of a NiVisController.) The game uses them, GECK uses them, NifSkope... ignores them. So, if you persist on using NifSkope... well, just forget I mentioned it. --Теодорико (talk) 00:20, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

About the about pageEdit

Hi, After recent discussion on the topic of our about page, I've opened up a section on the About page at Fallout_Wiki_talk:About under Revamp. I'd love nominations for other notable users we can feature in this page, as well as any other ideas. Agent c (talk) (via the courier)

I don't know what to do at this point. Edit

My back aches at the effort I have made bending over backwards. I have avoided the political divisions and honesty tried to be as kind and supportive to all our members as I can.

Even now I am booth sorry and ashamed that I am forced to be a Tattletale but I am out of options.\

  • For some unknown reason JASPER42 has a full blown HATE'on for me. He will not acknowledge it because his words clearly expose his lust to debate. He surely hates the fact I was allowed back into chat even though I have so tryed to play nice, warm & fuzzy...

I doubt even he sees how he stalks my every word.

It is exhausting. I have paid my dues and it fills my heart with despair to bring you into this. I am just at a loss.

Track my posts since I regained chat rites & you will see JASPER42 hot on my ass to argue against even my most supportive well wishes.

  • Just like the title reads.. I don't know what to do. I never took debate & I am tired of fighting.

He is entitled to his opinion but I know I am as swell and I should not be required to justify my self to him at every turn. He would never speak to me as he dose if we were speaking face to face. He abuses the anonymity of the internet.

I have tried to be Jasper's friend here and at our other fallout site but his actions speak louder than his claims of holding no grudge.

I assume as he is a chat mod he might be a friend to you. I am sorry he can't seem to find it in himself to be a friend to me.

  • I feel put upon, even stalked and as I can not physically confront him my only recourse is to ask for your deliberation as our Bureaucrat.

I respectfully ask you, please advise?

SaintPain TinySaintPainHere to help." 16:37, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

I get it.. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. I just want to have fun here & not feel stalked. Just like my sig reads, I'm just here to help.

Thank you for your time.

SaintPain TinySaintPainHere to help." 17:26, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

Jspoelstra I respect the fact you looked into this matter. I understand your position at times is taxing to say the least. You have done what you can. Your job is not easy and that is exactly why even in my early days here when I was up and coming I refused the want to be mod option.

You take your position with justified pride and I do respect that. My time in the military required me to make some hard choices and even break some bonds of friendship.

Jasper continues to protest his absolute innocence. Sadly I think he even believes it. I support your wish to show an even hand. Still we all know those with rank and or position must be held most responsible. The job is a weight, a task and never to be confused with a privilege. Jasper is more than in need of a reminder to that truth.

Again I thank you for your time.

SaintPain TinySaintPainHere to help." 20:52, January 4, 2014 (UTC)


I couldn't help but notice the above message and think it's only fair I make my case; I do not have a "hate on" for Pain. He is just assuming I must have some kind of vendetta for him because I disagree with him on a number of topics (most recent of which is that you can't sell something without the rights to it). I'm not sure where his assumption that I must hate him in order to disagree with him comes from but I assure you, it is not the case. He made similar allegations during his un-chatban request and frankly I am sick of seeing "you're just doing this because you hate me" whenever I express an opinion that is different to someoneelse's; I will not be made out to be doing this out of petty hate for someone.
He's free to state his opinions on blogs and forums but that means people are free to disagree with them, if he doesn't want me to reply to his blog comments then he's free not to make them.JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 18:34, January 4, 2014 (UTC)


As you know, I create a lot of pages, and so I've always wondered why there isn't an achievement track for that? Because there probably should be. Creating a page at the moment only counts as one edit, so there isn't much of an incentive to make content rather than just editing it. Just a thought. -- GOTW User | Talk 21:16, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

Hahahahahaha, oh the irony. I was writing to you whilst my new page was publishing and then when I switched the tab back it turns out I got a badge hahaa -- GOTW User | Talk 21:18, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
No, I got that last year as well. I meant one like the edit ones, like create one page, 5, 10, 25 etc. -- GOTW User | Talk 21:33, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I thought you had the power to make achievement tracks. Would you mind if I asked them about it? -- GOTW User | Talk 22:01, January 4, 2014 (UTC)


Please advise Talk:DLC04testPhil Jenkins87Talk 23:49, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

Test CellEdit

Also the weapons? - Greets 22:05, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

I think it's a good thing, but I would also make a page "Fallout 3 test content" and "Fallout: New Vegas test content", that way we could keep stuff easier to oversee. - Greets 22:37, January 7, 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I made an overview of how I see the Categories and I put a definition on top of what is cut content and what is test content according to me. I hope this is what you meant, if not tell me what you want cleared out and I'll see what I can do. - Greets 22:37, January 7, 2014 (UTC)
I'll get started on it in about 30-60 minutes - Greets 22:48, January 7, 2014 (UTC)
Still studying at the moment (exams are coming), so no bedtime too soon. I'm gonna take a look at it during my next break. - Greets 22:56, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

( Ok, I've got already a bit done, but with everything I'm doing, I see stuff that I could edit further. I'll delay this whole project untill after my exams. Then I'll have time to make the overview better, add all the categories, doublecheck what I've done already, and expand the articles I'm handling + integrating it in other articles. That sounds good to you? - Greets 00:55, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Tempmod Edit

Hey, I was temp modded last night and I don't see any admins on to remove the status, if you have a second could you remove it?--Emiko (talk) 22:57, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks--Emiko (talk) 23:04, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

Notable contentEdit

Hey, I noticed you removed the notable content table from the prison building page. Do you prefer it isn't used? - Greets 23:37, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, good I know it now. I thought the notable loot table was prefered over the other options. Well, now I know this, I'll work the tables away on the locations I'll encounter when I get again working on the NV locations. - Greets 23:44, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Ausir's original research as citations Edit

As I was reading up Wikipedia's Citation Guidelines in preparation for our Citation Project, I stumbled across their "No Original Research" guideline and realized it justified action I've made previously in the guidelines of the aforementioned project.

I feel it necessary to inform you that not only do I share their discretion regarding original research as it is detailed in their article but I have also put it into practice in the one and only example of it to my knowledge without your prior consent a couple of days ago.

In retrospect I should have brought it to your attention first after Chad had brought it to my attention that you hold high regard for Ausir and his citations, but due to my feelings regarding citations and "Original research" I withhold both my stance and my edit regarding the matter as being beneficial to the state of our citations.

If you disagree and/or wish to discuss this further, message me back on my talk page so that we might discuss the issue or schedule a chat conference between whoever you feel this involves.

Thank you for reading my message and I hope to discuss this with you further --The Ever Ruler (talk) 06:34, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

His citations would hold if he were to provide documentation for them. Sadly, he expressed on Ant2242's talk page on the Vault that he cannot. [1]
He mentions recollection of two such articles bearing his self confirmations but I cannot find another one beyond the Floater one. My stance on the one I can't find, should I find it, is the same as the Floater one as of now. --The Ever Ruler (talk) 06:41, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Lowercase test cellsEdit

There's a few test cells that need the first letter of their title decapitalised, since that's their actual name (e.g. TestTenPennyWellnessCenter. There's way to do that, but I'm not sure. Such as Wikipedia and their article on eBay. User OfficialLolGuy  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  13:19, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

12 Ga. shells Edit

Hi! Left to right: Hunting shotgun, «Dinner bell», riot shotgun, sawed-off shotgun and «Big boomer». --Теодорико (talk) 21:24, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

  • Sounds familiar, I have the same problem with Dutch. :) ... and English.
  • Razor/Figaro: Luckily, this one has built-in animation, so this could be done in a much simpler way: View > Toolbars > Animation (make sure it's checked). Now you should see a play button (make sure it is NOT pressed) and a seek bar. Just move the slider back and forth, until the razor is fully unfolded. That's it.
--Теодорико (talk) 01:00, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Images Edit

I see. So this is now irrelevant? ~ Toci ~ Go ahead, make my day. 22:49, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

I meant no disrespect with my question. I was just verifying that I should stop following that blog post. Your point is understood. Thanks, J. ~ Toci ~ Go ahead, make my day. 05:14, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Porter Edit

Since it has been suggested, can you send him a message similar to the ones sent by the bureaucrats to other inactive admins? --Skire (talk) 00:26, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Forum voteEdit

There has been a restarting of the poll due to a change in the question. Please re-cast your vote here. I apologise for the inconvenience. --Skire (talk) (via the courier) 02:00, January 13, 2014 (UTC)


Hi J. Last night I was working on some decapitalization in a few add-ons, and I'm sure renaming the articles created some redirects. Is there a way that one can see all the redirects resulting from a name change like that? It would make it easier to change the bad links over but I can't see a way to do it. FollowersApocalypseLogo A Follower  Talk  16:36, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I knew there was a tool for that somewhere. As for the Fallout unmarked quests category, I was following the Fallout quests template which had all unmarked quests listed in italics. Those were the only ones I added to the unmarked quests category, as I noticed it was incomplete when trying to navigate it. I don't think I added any side quests, just the unmarked, although if some of the side quests were incorrectly noted as unmarked in the template I would've added those as well. FollowersApocalypseLogo A Follower  Talk  16:49, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
Template was a bad choice of words. I meant the navbox (although it is a template): {{Navbox quests FO1}}. FollowersApocalypseLogo A Follower  Talk  16:53, January 13, 2014 (UTC)
Just as a follow up, was there any issue with the categorization? I don't want to make the same mistake in the future if there is. FollowersApocalypseLogo A Follower  Talk  17:18, January 14, 2014 (UTC)


Thanks man, I really appreciate it. That loading screen's awesome!

And I got the info for the wars just from the game, I got some of the loading screen quotes from The Vault (I credited in summary), and the rest of them from the game since I started playing it again yesterday. User OfficialLolGuy  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  16:05, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Nukapedia Edit

Can you please check your E-Mail when you get the chance? ForGaroux Some Assembly Required! 19:01, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Winner Friday picture Helena Week 12Edit

FO3 Mentats
You have been given Party Time Mentats.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
For some reason it seems I lost some karma, giving you this Greets

Dialogue files Edit

I mostly did it because they mentioned it in chat and wanted to see how hard it was. And I used excel to speed up the process, but I agree it takes too long to do it for each npc's dialogue file. I guess I could look into faster ways of doing it. Paladin117>>iff bored; 20:34, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Dialogues Edit

Hi, J! Sorry for picking, but I've noticed your conversation about dialogue files. From what I've seen, it's a trivial programming task and I was going to do that for Убежище anyway. Since the codebase is independent from the dialogue language, I might as well start here and switch to Убежище lately. From my point of view, this will benefit both Wikis, and there are no points to do that separately. So, if you guys are interested let me know. --Теодорико (talk) 20:48, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I got basic functionality up and running, so I'm ready to outline some details.
  1. This is going to work like this: 1) You guys create a page with all required markup (description, infobox, other templates, categories, e.t.c) and raw dialogue enclosed in <pre></pre>; 2)Some time later my bot comes in and rewrites raw file to something more readable. This way you can have as much contributors as you want, and I have to maintain just one copy of software. Saves time and effort. Plus, having raw file means ability to redo the whole thing from the scratch if we'll ever need it.
  2. We need to discuss many technical details: naming/placing of dlg pages, page layout, infobox, managing template for my bot, table layout and contents (e.g. if we are keeping only unique topics), e.t.c. Plus, we need to rally all interested contributors and give them instructions. So, maybe you are willing to setup an official project, so we can use it's talk page for discussions?
  3. FNV is my personal priority, as we already have FO3 dialogues at Убежище. So, if you don't mind, I prefer to start from FNV and switch to Fo3 later.
--Теодорико (talk) 06:20, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Group shotEdit

Sure thing! 69.l25 (talk) 00:20, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Winner Saturday picture Helena Week 13Edit

You have been given notes from a kid.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
A sad story about a kid that had to kill his/her parents and went crazy afterwards. Now that's some drama right there. Greets


I have as the working link at the moment. Not sure if its a perm link. Agent c (talk) 23:04, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

I am neutral to it at the moment, and wanna preserve at least 1 neutral Crat to adjudicate. It it looks like a vote may sway it one way or another I might review that position. Agent c (talk) 00:00, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Charts Edit

I looked at those charts. It's rendering fine in Firefox for me, but not chrome. It's possible something has changed in chrome recently. I'll watch it for a bit and search for solutions if it continues. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 01:30, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Dlg. Edit

User:Теодорико/sandbox01. Not bad for starters? By the way, with complete export I could do more sophisticated analysis. --Теодорико (talk) 05:50, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Vault-Tec headquartersEdit

Ahh, okay, I understand that. I sorta thought that too when I was renaming it but I couldn't really think of anything else. How about if we kept the same name but put (Fallout 3) at the end? The FO3 headquarters is only the regional, the new one I made is for the entire corporation, so it will need differentiating. User OfficialLolGuy  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  23:13, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Vault-Tec Edit

I was about to do that myself. That page has hundreds of links (excluding navbox links), appears in-game, and is a possible candidate for a featured article. It should certainly not be replaced with an overly long name because of another page that was made based off of a developer comment... --Skire (talk) 23:14, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

J, is the Vault-Tec Corporation completely messed up from your end? I can't find what's wrong... I can upload a screenshot if you need. --Skire (talk) 23:29, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

If it's showing tons of reference stuff, I'm getting it too, but on different pages as well. User OfficialLolGuy  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  23:30, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

The chat is also showing some abnormalities... If you go in there, you can see what I'm talking about. Hopefully Wikia can fix this soon enough. --Skire (talk) 00:02, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

Roger. Let me know what they say. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 01:10, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
I expected that to be the case. It only happens on rows that don't contain any content. If I recall correctly, that template is written in wikimarkup, not html. In order to insert the empty <td> tags, I would probably have to completely rewrite all of the 60 or so chart templates using html. I'll look at them and see what I can do. It's possible to do a workaround, adding a single character in one of those cells and making that character transparent. I'll play with it when I get some time and let you know what can be done. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 20:37, January 21, 2014 (UTC)


Hey J, can you link me one page you think is especially bad on mobile. I wanna do some experimentation. Agent c (talk) 02:38, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

Open User:Agent_c/SunnyTest1 in a mobile browser. I've used the transclusion code to include most of the article, but cut out most of the templates, cut out a large chunk of the infobox, and some content thats nice to have, but probably not useful on a mobile phone (like the quotes) but only the main article needs to be edited to update both. Admittedly its not a great solution - it would require a parallel set of content and links... but might be something we can talk to the wikia guys to see if they can see other ways to maybe shift people to the right data set. Agent c (talk) 19:19, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
I've just had a look and excluded the infobox entirely for the result. It looks terrible with it. We would need a special mobile infobox template. Not sure if we can embed code in the main infobox in the main infobox... I have a feeling we probably can. Gunna play with that a bit as an experiment. Agent c (talk) 19:32, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
I can get the switches and paramaters out of the infobox, but cant feed em back in to another template. Grr... We need a Porter. Agent c (talk) 20:10, January 21, 2014 (UTC)


Hello bureaucrat, admin, moderator, chat mod, or patroller!

Can you please take a look at this forum and voice any opinion you may have.

Thank you
69.l25 (talk) 00:11, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Any way you can protect the defining "lack of editing" forum until we reopen discussion? 69.l25 (talk) 00:59, January 22, 2014 (UTC)


We had a new editor here today and he posted some pictures I wasn't too sure about. I think they are poor quality, but wasn't sure either I'd remove them or I'd leave them with the idea better low but acceptable quality, than nothing. I put them already in better lay-out and on the correct pages while waiting for your opinion.

- Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 16:21, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Not sure if he got it from console, the edit he did before was a picture full of mods. I haven't yet heard of mods on consoles. So I was hoping he just doesn't know how to make screenshots on pc.- Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 16:35, January 23, 2014 (UTC)


Hi, J, I was told that you usually were the one who added the audio for notable quotes in the old Fallout games. If not, would you know who does? Anyway, I was going to say that this article has a audio recording that is distorted (Although hilarious). If you have the ability to fix it, would you mind? Thanks in advance! - Chris 4 Star Dragon Ball Edit 23:49, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

GECK Check request and a vandal Edit

Howdy J,

Could you possibly use the GECK to determine how many bottles of Nuka-Cola Quartz spawn at the Mojave Outpost? In my experience I'm almost certain I've seen three behind the counter and I know the AI will drink the bottles (which could account for the discrepancy). It would be much appreciated. Additionally, vandalized an article twice and then reverted it. Do with that what you will.

Your amigo

Richie9999 (talk) 17:29, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

PS Yes I wrote this like a letter. Because I can.


I talked about it with Follower and Richie in the chat. On Wikipedia, ships have the title italicised, e.g. User OfficialLolGuy  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  18:37, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

We did discuss it, albeit not with an admin or bc present. I don't think it's radical enough of a change to be discussed, really, considering the italicization is following proper grammatical conventions. In English, all ship names are capitalized in all instances. I write history, and if a ship name appears in a title of a paper, it's italicized. I'll defer to your judgement, but again, it is proper grammar after all. FollowersApocalypseLogo A Follower  Talk  18:42, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

Redirects Edit

First, it's quicker for me this way. Second, some of these are judgement calls where find + replace would place an incorrect link in an article. An example can be found here. The bot would've linked Turret instead of Automated turret (Fallout: New Vegas). Believe me, if I could press a button and get rid of these godforsaken things, I would've done it already. Toci US Air Force Into the wild blue yonder... 22:42, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

Chart problem Edit

Been looking at those chart templates. I was incorrect about the format. They are written with html table tags. The <td>s are all there. Each of those "empty" rows has a set number of empty table cells, followed by a cell with an empty <div>. I've played with it in Chrome and have not been able to get them to render right without adding a character. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 18:15, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Ultraluxe kitchen Edit

Hey Js, how exactly is Ultra-Luxe kitchen an useful redirect node? I seriously doubt anybody would type that into the searchbar or even specifically look for that location. As far as I can see the only reason of being of that page was when the kitchen was considered a separate location wikiwise, becoming completely meaningless after that was no longer the case, and is no longer even internally linked.
Limmiegirl Lildeneb Talk! ♪ 21:15, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

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1-800-Dail-a-log Edit

I've been kinda watching that process as you guys have gone through it. The only comment I'd have right now is to make sure we cut as much fat out as possible and try to keep the tables within the normal view page width. Other than that, everything looks great. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 00:58, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

An updateEdit

Hi J. I've been taking some time off from work here recently because I wanted some "cool-down" time from the virulent drama I was somewhat involved in... But I wanted to let you know, I've got new recruits for the featured articles (hoping to finish that soon), and I've been helping Chad with a dialogue file catalogue. Also, on another note, could you just update the forum page on Porter so we could have formal closure? Thanks. --Skire (talk) 01:40, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

I was mainly referring to the Clyde thing though. But with Porter, I did what I believed was the right thing, which was equal and consistent enforcement of the policy. And after all, I am but one person -- if the community voted to made Porter exempt, I would've accepted the decision they made. I'm looking to close the featured articles soon (an entirely new rotation) and we'll implement that. My workload this year has been much tougher (as I'm sure you know), but I know I broke the commitment I made to finish the featured articles. I understand you're disappointed, J, and I'm sorry... --Skire (talk) 19:21, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Templates Edit

Not all red-links are bad. In this case, all of the links required to keep functionality are present, and the templates are running fine after a quick test last night. So if you feel that any red-links left (which were red-links at the Tardis wiki as well) are inappropriate, although they shouldn't be, feel free to remove the linkages.

We don't need them. But at the same time, I no longer have the time to create a workaround, and everything is fine as it is. However, I didn't know about our variation of hiddencat (I've never seen it used here). I'll look into it, and if it's better, I'll go ahead and use that instead.

And just as a side-note, I did not create templates just for the sake of creating them. I made the changes which were fully supported in my Flagging Sentences forum. If you had grievances, you should have stated them there. But now, I have users that have been waiting for these changes, especially Chad and Ever with their new reference project, and so my stance is that the majority of these templates are to stay unless appropriate workarounds are found (which, honestly, aren't needed).

As for the banner, they're impossible to fix now. I managed to get the banner where it looks good on Chrome, Firefox, and Opera. If it doesn't look good on IE - I'm sorry. But I'd rather have it right on 3 browsers instead of just 1. Really wish Wikia wouldn't have screwed that up. ForGaroux Some Assembly Required! 18:29, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

J, as far as Leon's banner is concerned (you had the same problem on my talkpage), do you have a particularly wide monitor? My monitor is really wide and it causes the banners to mess up like that. It may not be your browser. Toci US Air Force Into the wild blue yonder... 18:50, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
It's all about monitor width. This happened when we went to fluid. The right margin of the article space is no longer anchored, so you can't use either fixed or relative positioning to place the right background image. I tried to no avail to fix mine and ended up just deleting it. You can't get the z-index to place images behind the article space because of the way the page is built with the wikia software. The only fix that I can think of for this would be to allow users to add custom background images on the site's css (or a subpage and import them to the main). I'm not sure if we want to do this, as it will have to load with the main css on every page. So yeah, they're broke, and I can't find a fix. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 18:59, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Update template linkEdit

Hey, J. I saw you changed the namespace of the link in that template to point to the template talk namespace. I was under the belief that the notice should point to the article talk page for the article the template is placed on. The template talk space is not going to work for that. Was there some issue with the pointing? We are using this on articles, right? If it's used on templates, too, then we'll have to add a check for the namespace for that link. Let me know what the issue was, can you? The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 18:30, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

I think I see what you were trying to fix now, after reading the above comment. The question I have is why was the {{Mbox}} template not used to create these new templates? We have a specific template for use with all of these type of maintenance notices that is tried and true. I see no benefit to creating new ones that do not use the functionality of the Mbox template, and as a result, look very different. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 18:36, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

WAM Edit

Wow, I didn't even know there was a list for that. Haha thank you! Toci US Air Force Into the wild blue yonder... 19:06, January 26, 2014 (UTC)


Ah, dammit. I hate how long it takes for newly created categories to update on their corresponding pages. Makes it a bitch to discover which ones I never got around to creating, since even the ones I already created were still listed as red-links until updated. Anyways, thanks for point those out. Give me a moment, and I'll get those out of the way. ForGaroux Some Assembly Required! 19:08, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Abot the bot Edit

I had to take it down for a bit. It should be back up shortly. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 23:49, January 26, 2014 (UTC)


Its a good image, but its misnamed. It was described as Broken Hills Underground, which is a different location - not the mine. Broken Hills underground is a sewer location. Agent c (talk) 14:12, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Category Question Edit

Hey J. As our resident edit expert I just had a quick question I was wondering if you'd be able to clear up for me. Now please correct me if I'm wrong, but are overreaching categories such as Category:Fallout 3 characters (or any other game character category actually) suppose to only have the specific categories within it, and not actually suppose to have individual pages within it? If you're confused on my meaning, take a look at the Category:Artists and animators. That acts as the overreaching category, containing none of the specific pages themselves. Isn't everything suppose to be organized this why? Anyways, depending on the answer to that question, it leads to my next question. What should be done to fix this (if it does turn out to be incorrect)? Now before anyone suggests we just run a bot through and delete all the overreaching categories from the pages, I feel this would lead to more problems as we don't know if those pages have both an over reaching category and a specific category, and deleting the overreaching category would just delete the list we need to check. So without a doubt I feel this is an issue that we need some good old manual editing for. But the question stands, is this an issue a project would fix best or would it be best just to grab some users, explain the situation and get to it. Anyways, I hope we can figure this out. Look forward to your reply J. --The Old World Relics (talk/blog/contributions) 19:30, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Yea I was hoping to hold off until you got back to me, but I noticed Toci was already going through some so I decided to help. I see why the overreaching categories are present now. All good, I'm sure me and Toci can set things straight in no time. Thanks for getting back to me J, and happy editing! --The Old World Relics (talk/blog/contributions) 19:27, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
I just check it on my mobile and it still works fine. When you click the Fallout: New Vegas character link instead of listing every character in the game (being very messy) it brings you to a list of all the specific category links, making it much more organized. All the characters are still there, just under their specific category. Thankfully I think we're all good there. --The Old World Relics (talk/blog/contributions) 20:02, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Clicking the FNV character link in the first image takes you to the second and third images. Takes you to the sub-categories. Very originized instead of a mass list in my opinion. --The Old World Relics (talk/blog/contributions) 20:15, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Ok now something odd is happening. It seems that on the wiki the characters are split into their subcategories, well now on the game guide app it's showing all characters as you intended? Did you do something because this seems like what both of us want. See screenshot:

--The Old World Relics (talk/blog/contributions) 22:29, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Removed bug entry (Survivalist) Edit

Hey there, not sure who else to ask: Do you know why my bug was removed from Bugs section on this page? I think it's useful information and didn't get any response on the Talk page. Thanks :) --Sduibek Gametitle-FO1 19:58, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Anon Edit

Hey J, you around? We've got an anon changing all the videos on the FO3 soundtrack page to his own videos of the same thing. Broc has asked him to stop and he keeps doing it. Wondering if you could take a look at it, thanks. FollowersApocalypseLogo A Follower  Talk  20:53, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Red linksEdit

Was to prevent the images from popping up on the "recent acitivities" and drawing too much attention to it, yet i kept the rest of the fomat so all would be easier to replace with new ones. - Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 17:39, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Soundfile Edit

Would you mind deleting :File:FO3_LeroyWalker_ThoseDamnAbolitionists.ogg|that file for me? I mistook it for Leroy Walker's dialogue bit for the Emancipation Proclamation but luckily caught it before I actually finished the edit to the page. It actually pertains to the Civil War draft poster but I found another bit that works better for that page so I don't really want to put it there either. Sorry about that. --FFIX (talk) 20:26, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Redlinks and chatbotEdit

What the heck. It did that last night, too, and I fixed all the links. Something must be clipping the file names. I'll look at it again. Wonder what's going on?

On another note, the chat bot is back up. As a related note to that, I do want to mention that I'd seen a number of people using the chat logs in a way I never intended them, and in a way I will never support. That is using them to essentially spy on what's said in chat. There was even someone off wiki who was spying in on chat by using them. When I created that tool, it was with the intent that it would help us moderate chat and give us a tool to easily provide logs when our moderators need to act on the rules. I was clear that it was not intended as a tool to go through the logs and retroactively sanction users when mods weren't active. I also refuse to see it used to spy on chat. If this continues, I will either change the way it logs so it writes the logs offsite (which I now have the capability to do), or I will simply cease using it. I'm letting you guys know publicly so my intentions are clear to everyone. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 20:37, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Categories Edit

I can't speak for GGC, but if categories are the only way that someone can find a character, then why do we have the Fallout: New Vegas characters page? I will wait until you've gotten back to me before starting Fallout 3, but pages should be in the lowest category possible. Toci US Air Force Into the wild blue yonder... 01:29, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Winner Tuesday picture Helena Week 14Edit

FO3 Tent
You have been given a tent.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
May come in handy when travelling the wastes and it gets late and starts to rain while you can't find a settlement nearby. Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 13:05, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

69.l25 Adminship RequestEdit

I've reflected on this past month here. It was designed to serve as an outline of how I personally approached the opportunity and what I find important. I've addressed the general concerns and why I am still seeking adminship. If you find it important, please take a look. 69.l25 (talk) 02:17, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

A (late) Holiday GiftEdit

ZAX 12
You have been given the ZAX 1.2.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
Merry Christmas and a happy new year, I know i may be a bit late, but had exams then and decided to delay my wishes a bit. If it's too late for you, then consider it a Chinese new year ;) Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 09:42, January 30, 2014 (UTC)


That's what redirects are for.

Horses and donkeys are roughly the same thing, same subject, and cover the exact same things and information as each other. They're both fairly tiny and aren't really worth being separate. I think we've done something like this before with other pages of a similar nature. User OfficialLolGuy  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  21:27, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

World War II pageEdit

Is the World War II page fine as it is, or should it be expanded a bit with basic information about the war? Or should some extra focus be added on the use and testing of nuclear bombs? - Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 22:05, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

File namesEdit

I noticed I can change the names of pages, but I can't find where to change the name of files. Is this restricted to admins only or am I overlooking something? Thanks in advance! - Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 20:12, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

Mobile and chartsEdit

I'll ask them about the charts. What specifically is the problem with the mobile skin? And you mean the mobile skin, not the game guides app, correct? The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 20:44, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

Dialogues Edit

Hi Js! I've made some progress with programming and finally I'm more or less happy with results. Guess, you have already seen it, but just in case... User:Теодорико/sandbox01. There are some differences from your sandbox, so lets take a look at it, column by column:

  • CATEGORY - I've used it to break dialogue in to sections. Saves some space and makes things little bit more readable, IMHO.
  • QUEST ID - I've dropped it, because it has no real value outside of the GECK. Again, IMHO.
  • TOPIC - I'm thinking about adding HTML anchors to it, so it could be used for linking (e.g. [[VMS38RedLucy.txt#VMS38VMS38RedLucyTopic403|......]])
  • TOPIC TEXT / PROMPT - I've combined them, because prompt always supersedes topic text - absolutely no point in keeping them both.
  • RESPONSE TEXT / NOTES - Again, combined them. RESPONSE TEXT usually contains some notes ({in curved brackets}) anyway, so adding some more NOTES to its end doesn't change anything.
  • FILENAME - Useless without of VOICETYPE. And you'll have to give me some good reasons to put something like "MaleUniqueBenny\VCG00_VCG00OpeningSequence_00107225_1.mp3ogg" in to the table. Why do you need them anyway?

If you would like to change anything - just let me know, everything is pretty much doable. And one more question: Are we going to keep topics which aren't specific to the given NPC?

On a completely different topic: What about Fallout 2 Restoration Project? Is it accepted by Nukapedia? I'm asking on behalf of our editors, who have found few cases of RP content being used in main-space articles:

--Теодорико (talk) 19:04, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

  • anchors - OK, I'll make a template for that - should save a couple of KBytes... You already have {{Linkable}}
  • FILENAME - I have an idea...
  • unspecific NPC topics - Check the NPCID column, if it contains "--" or "Lucky38Marilyn" then this topic could be used by a whole bunch of NPCs. e.g. "I'm hit!", "You can't hide from me.", "Grenade!", "Thief!", e.t.c. Not a very sophisticated stuff, but gives some details about the character.
  • FNV dialogue files - Please stick to the complete export - my bot is programmed to take all the trash, so it's better to let him do his work.
  • RP - sure, we are in no hurry.

--Теодорико (talk) 20:49, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

  • Anchors - What's this place? .
  • EMOTION - Done.
  • Filenames - I've put them in corresponding RESPONSE TEXT cells, but they are commented out with <!-- -->. Not quite sure if it's OK to keep such amount of hypothetical trash... I'll leave this decision to you. ;)
--Теодорико (talk) 21:37, February 1, 2014 (UTC)


I've know what they were saying from day one; I read the logs. They've gotten away with it saying it, and now I get to show it. 69.l25 (talk) 00:05, February 2, 2014 (UTC)


I think it's time we reopen the defining lack of editing forum. Are you ready to share the concept change you mentioned? 69.l25 (talk) 04:41, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Chryslus BuildingEdit

Hey Js, someone added: "South of the entrance, mole rats spawn in a destroyed building across the street, a random wastelander can be seen traveling through here from time to time. Saving the wastelander from the mole rats and he/she will reward you with caps." to the page. That sounds a lot like a random encounter, could you please check the GECK to see if this is a fixed spawning point or a RE?
Limmiegirl Lildeneb Talk! ♪ 16:06, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Notable loot oddity Edit

Could you take a look at the Notable loot section on The Courier's Mile and see if it looks wrong to you? In particular, on my computer, the more/less prompt to expand/contract the list is appearing several lines down into the following section. I have looked at it in Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and IE and it happens in all of them. One difference is that Chrome and Firefox have the cookie set to log me in automatically while Opera and IE do not, and when I am not logged in, the prompt appears a few lines further down. Also, I pulled up Megaton and Nellis Air Force Base as comparisons and they don't seem to have the problem. Unless I am overlooking something, I can't see anything done differently in The Courier's Mile's article that would make it behave this way. I would assume that since it happened in different browsers that it isn't just a problem on my computer but wanted to make sure someone else could see it. --FFIX (talk) 16:09, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. It's not a browser issue. For some reason that page is throwing the mw-collapse text down the page. I'll see if I can figure out why. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 17:08, February 2, 2014 (UTC)
Temporary workaround done. Moved the challenge infobox down lower on the page. It moved when notable loot is expanded. I'm not sure it's a problem with the notable loot template, it may be a problem with the infobox challenge template. I'll keep looking. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 18:04, February 2, 2014 (UTC)
Better workaround done. Theo said it's an issue with too many float properties being declared. Let me know if you see any other pages like this. There's a more permanent fix, but I don't want to go there unless we absolutely have to. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 23:48, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Dialogues pt. ? of ??? ;) Edit

  • Yeah, anchors are definitely the right thing to do. Glad we are on the same page here.
  • sound files... well, you know, I could've done that with my bot... but I don't want to spend the rest of my life in prison for copyright infringement... So, get me written permission from Bethesda, then we'll talk. ;) PS: Jokes apart: This is doable, but I need written permission from copyright holder.
  • I'd say skip them all. Just plain export. Well, you can sort topics any way you want, just make sure to preserve RESPONSE INDEX - my bot uses it to build row spans. E.g. Red Lucys's file is broken due to messed up RESPONSE INDEX.
  • Unique NPC's: I've created dummy template {{Bot rewrite}}. It's meant to be added to new dialogue pages, so my bot could find them, without rescanning whole category. Also, we can use it to specify which NPCs should be included in the table.
    For example:{{Bot rewrite|NPCID=Benny,VFortBenny}} This will instruct the bot to keep both Bennys and ditch everyone else.

Wrap-up: The page should look like this:

... Any markup ...
{{Bot rewrite|NPCID=NPC1,NPC2,....,NPCn}}
complete export
... Any markup ...

PS: As of now I'm ironing some seams and trying to move some markup in to CSS. Guess I'll be ready in a few hours. --Теодорико (talk) 17:17, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Looking real good. The commented out dialog file links will end up as inline quotations with the file linked, I'm assuming? The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 17:41, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Chryslus BuildingEdit

Yes, there's a Repeatable B type encounter just outside the building. 69.l25 (talk) 17:22, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

There's a Type B trigger on one side of the building. Did you check and not see this? 69.l25 (talk) 17:43, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Dialogues cont. Edit

  • Audio files: Yeah that too. But mostly I was referring to uploading 50K+ audio files... I don't think such things are covered by fair use. ;)
  • File names: unfortunately FILENAME is not enough (e.g. there are 24 generic_alertidle_00175249_1.ogg-s), it must be supplemented by VOICETYPE. So the final file name (here at the Wiki) must consist of "VOICETYPE FILENAME.ogg". That's what my bot does.
  • CSS: This goes to Common.css
.np-table-dialogue tr th:first-child {
   width: 165px;
.np-table-dialogue tr th:first-child + th + th {
   width: 65px;
so you will be able to tweak tables without rewriting hundreds of pages.

Logging off till tomorrow. --Теодорико (talk) 21:58, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Dialogues Edit

I can help. I've extracted dialogues once or twice before just to find something I was looking for. Let me know what you need. I'm on vacation this week and can start in earnest tomorrow. --FFIX (talk) 00:54, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

OK, I went ahead and did Tommy so you could take a look and see if everything is good (I checked it against the last dialogue you did and everything seems to correspond). I should be able to get a few more done tonight. Tomorrow I'll check back and continue if everything seems right. I should be able to plow through quite a bit once I get going good. --FFIX (talk) 01:50, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
I made it through Grant tonight. I'll pick it up tomorrow from there. --FFIX (talk) 02:39, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Sure, I can help. Are we just doing Fallout: New Vegas or Fallout 3 too? Paladin117>>iff bored; 01:54, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Does this look good? CorporalFarber.txt Paladin117>>iff bored; 02:10, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Referencing policyEdit

Hi. We're looking for feedback on this and hopefully we can reach consensus quickly. --Agent c (talk) (via the courier) 01:12, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Twitter feedsEdit

Thinking about putting the @Fallout and @Nukapedia twitter feeds on the main page, in the left column near the bottom to fill up that white space. [[User:The_Gunny/sandbox3|Here's what I've cooked up so far]]. How's it look and just how far down the bottom do we want to try it? All the way? Above the "Helping out" and below the "Did you know"? Let me know. The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons 02:13, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Dialogues Edit

  • Sorting: Damn! How did this escape my attention??? Will do.
  • CSS: Just put it at the bottom.
  • Bot flag: RC getting bit messy. Maybe you would like to flag my account as a bot? For the time being, at least.

--Теодорико (talk) 13:26, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

  • OK.
  • By the way, you guys don't have to remove all unwanted NPCs from export files. That's NPCID is for. My bot takes care of this: working with raw export.
--Теодорико (talk) 13:36, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
OK, I'm down into the 20s now like you mentioned so I will watch for the generics. I've already run across a few and skipped them. If the file sizes become a problem, let me know and I will go back to stripping out the unneeded chars. I saw you caught a few that I mis-named. Thanks. I'm going to see if I can make a quick batch file to auto-rename them on my end so I don't mess up the copy/paste anymore. --FFIX (talk) 16:19, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
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