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Turns out the issues I was having with New Vegas' installation were fixed by re-installing Steam. I'm going to fiddle with it and see if it works tomorrow but I might be able to carry on with where I left off in terms of reviewing mods. And if I pick up Fallout 3 in this sale eventually that might be even better. Especially so now that I have 6 weeks of spare time. I'll have a play tomorrow and get back to you, if this is something we can still continue with of course. --[[File:Sign243.png|x25px|DragonBorn96|link=User:DragonBorn96]]<sup>[[User talk:DragonBorn96|<font color= "Orange">'''''Talk'''''</font>]] </sup> 22:07, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
Turns out the issues I was having with New Vegas' installation were fixed by re-installing Steam. I'm going to fiddle with it and see if it works tomorrow but I might be able to carry on with where I left off in terms of reviewing mods. And if I pick up Fallout 3 in this sale eventually that might be even better. Especially so now that I have 6 weeks of spare time. I'll have a play tomorrow and get back to you, if this is something we can still continue with of course. --[[File:Sign243.png|x25px|DragonBorn96|link=User:DragonBorn96]]<sup>[[User talk:DragonBorn96|<font color= "Orange">'''''Talk'''''</font>]] </sup> 22:07, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
:I am most certainly still interested now that I have a working game again. :P Fallout 3 is being resistant to any of my attempts at modding it but my New Vegas is right back up to how it was before it imploded. I'll have a gander around the Nexus and pick up something to make for next Thursday in that case. Pretty pictures here I come. --[[File:Sign243.png|x25px|DragonBorn96|link=User:DragonBorn96]]<sup>[[User talk:DragonBorn96|<font color= "Orange">'''''Talk'''''</font>]] </sup> 20:30, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
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Great to hear from you mate. It'd be great if I could hold onto a Patron I'm looking to get back involved in the maintenance and community. Hope all has been well! Kiwi 3992205.png 16:00, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Van Buren location pages

I wasn't sure about it, but after you moved them leaving hundreds of red links, I reverted it all again. Now, an hour later and after checking all other Van Buren pages I see that most other pages are decapped, except for the location pages. Suppose it's ok to decap those then. (I assume you do all of them). Don't know about the Robot parts page, try User:Korney San, he's the one who created the page. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 18:04, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Why are you moving pages again? Just leave a redirect. Also, your bans are a bit steep. I often see you give a 2 weeks ban for a first offense. Cudder x's ban was set at 3 days by Gunny, just removing his talkpage right would have been enough, you didn't have to up it that much. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 18:20, June 9, 2013 (UTC)


Yeah, I don't know what's going on with user retrieval over at The Vault. It worked without a hitch for me, but everyone else is finding it impossible to re-access their accounts. -_- --Kastera (talk) 04:10, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

There's always a silver lining :D --Kastera (talk) 04:19, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

I can't keep up with the changes

I don't know what to say.

I hope I have not turned you against me.

  • I might agree with some of the people some of the time, and some other people other times but I can not agree with all of the people, all of the time.

All the people, even odd balls, should have a representative. I hope you can be one.

Just don't ask me to hold my tongue or support what I know in my heart is wrong.

Anon voting on polls is sketchy as they can avoid IP address issues for free at Mc Donalds and countless, coffee shops, schools or other libraries the list could go on and on.

  • I suggest let them post on articles.. They can be easily fixed by our already proven dedicated army of editors.

However If they want a standing opinon.. They should join & be held accountable for their voice. Anons are not alowed in chat. Why should they be allowed to vote ?

  • I say be a member and take credit or blame for every thing you write.

I speak from obvious experience.

SaintPain Tiny.jpgSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here." 05:09, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

"Speculation My Butt"

This hypocritical silliness is driving nuts. The item is called "Dandy Boy Apples", And the company is called "Andy Boy". The only difference between the two is the addition of the letter "D" and the addition of word "Apples". If you read something in a game called "Rodunkin Chocolate Doughnuts" you can't convince me it wasn't intended to be a direct reference to Dunkin Doughnuts. But just to nail this head in even further, Andy Boy sells produce, and the item includes the addition of the word "Apples"; APPLES! This reference isn't subtle at all, it's blatantly obvious.

If after all I've said and you're still not convinced, then I officially I give up. This has got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever argued about, and it's only because it is so stupid that I'm even arguing it to this extent in the first place.

But here is other thing that got me worked up about this whole thing. Most of the editors on this site are only editing for the bragging rights of those dumb tokens you guys hand out. Why else would an edit be removed within less than two minutes of it being posted? At that speed you know they barely considered what they were doing. As an anonymous user I feel like I have to fight tooth and nail with every single edit. Even if it's something stupid that should obviously be changed.-- 08:21, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Let me break this down. Their is only two parts of the item "Dandy Boy Apples" item that makes it an indirect reference to "Andy Boy ------" produce company.
The first is the "D" in "Dandy Boy", instead of it simply being called "Andy Boy". This is why I'm ninety-nine percent positive this is a developer-intended reference. First, ask yourself why they choose to use the words dandy and boy, together. They could have used anything! They could have called them Good Boy or Happy Girl or Laughing Man or any other numerous combinations. They could have even called them Apples in a Box. Just why did they choose those two specific words that are so similar to the company's namesake? It's far too coincidental for this not to be on purpose. The chances of it being coincidental is that missing one-percent.
The second, as you pointed out, is the use of the word "Apples". And I actually do agree with you to some extent on this point, however, it still works with the reference. In part I agree with you because if the item in-game was called "Andy Boy Mufflers" for example, we definitely wouldn't consider it a reference to the Andy Boy produce company because Andy Boy isn't an automotive company. However, it is a produce company. When someone thinks of produce, their going to think of any fruit or vegetable. So if the in-game item was called "Andy Boy Apples" or "Andy Boy Mangos", people would consider it odd that the item has a fruit in it that the company doesn't sell. But on the other hand, since it is a form of produce (and they are a produce selling company), people would still recognize the reference to the company regardless.
On a side note, information about the company on the internet seems to be rather scarce from what I can tell. They've been around since 1927, all across the nation, so it would not surprise me at all if at some point in time they sold apples, even if they don't now.
If after I've broken this all down and you still disagree with me, whatever. It's not important to me anymore, and their is no better way I could have explained it.
I certainly don't regret my edit, or even my initial reaction to it's removal, because the guy was a total jack wagon. They removed the edit in less than two minutes, which makes me highly doubtful they even considered it at all. And then they come up with the most obscene excuse I've ever heard of. Instead of saying something like "let's get opinions of more contributers first", or something like that, they immediately resort to "ask a developer". Like I have contacts with video game developers, pfffft. Or that even if I did, like I'm going to bother them with something so trivial, rightttttt. And yes, the task was forced upon me because I strongly doubt the person who disagrees with the edit in the first place is going to take that kind of initiative. But lastly, at the time I considered it a direct enough reference that we certainly didn't need it. So the suggestion that we needed a developer's consent made it all the more insulting. Also I was never angry with you, frustrated, not angry.
But finally I'm not making presumptions here, I've experienced it personally. I once removed something that indisputably false information. And within just a few minutes later some jerk reversed it. A day later I redid the edit again and nobody refuted it. So tell me, what possible motivation could that person have? A honest mistake is a possibility but it's doubtful. And considering this was certainly not the first time, I strongly believe that the bragging rights are to blame. Nearly all my edits get reversed, most of which I'm too lazy to give a crap about. Even simple grammar edits get changed. And I don't make edits in less I'm positive it's the right thing to do, so you can see where I'm coming from here. It's absolutely frustrating to make any edit at all because their is a near certainty some overzealous bonehead is just going to remove it as soon as you post it.-- 09:02, June 11, 2013 (UTC)


Hey man, I saw you venting on FB about the whole love thing. Just so you know, all I was doing was trying to inject some humour into their little argument, and that was one of the ways. If you look at all I wrote, I also made sure people didn't take that seriously and drag you into it. It was just taking the piss out of how stupid the whole argument was.

Anyway, I disagree personally that love is disrespectful, and think it's more of an interchangeable term of endearment, like you would use mate or man for a guy.

This taught me an important personal lesson though; the guys are right, you can't say anything on chat without people searching through the logs to find something to be offended by. Sorry if you are offended, but you need to look further next time. Everyone there understood what I was doing and that the whole thing was a joke: that's the problem with not being there, it removes a lot of context.

-- G͕͇̰͓̱̭̑̒̿̈́ͮ͌̓ͅO̝̪̯̲͖̦͔ͦ̉́̾̽T͓͖ͤ͊W̛̝̓̽ Ù̻͉̽́s̛͒͌͒̄͐ͨě͍͉̦͙͇ͨ̈ͦ͢r̨̞͔̜̹̹̦̪ͨͤ͗̆͐͛ | T̯̙̀ͣͪ̀̔̚a̮̞͓͈͖̒l̿ͩk̢̲̬̱̬͉̲ 13:54, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Oh right. Yeah, I was uning it to point out how ridiculous the entire argument was, nothing more. It started around 2 my time, so probably before 1 if you want to look it up on the chat logs for peace of mind. I just wanted you to know that I wasn't dragging you into it, and was just using it to be sarcastic. Nothing more.

Here you go, found what I said, cutting out the middle buts because no-one was paying attention to what I was saying anyhow. <Ug-Qualtoth> Wait, something interesting. In leon's last message to her, he addressed her as 'love'. "Sorry that I didn't make it last night, love. Something came up and I wasn't back home until late. ForGaroux Some Assembly Required! 23:18, June 7, 2013 (UTC) " Is that demeaning language? Discuss. <Ug-Qualtoth> No, I left and then came back when I saw Leon's message. I just though it was interesting that he decided to call her love. <Ug-Qualtoth> However, I'm not trying to drag Leon into it <Ug-Qualtoth> Personally, I think objecting to terms like that is objecting for the sake of objecting. It's just like calling a man 'mate' or 'pal'. <Ug-Qualtoth> You'd sound like a knob if that was a women

There you have it. No problem, right? :) I think that the n-word thing is pertinent for a completely different reason. Some black people do get annoyed with anyone using it (Oprah), some advocate its use by all in order to destigmatise it (Donald Glover) and some think that only black people should use it (Jay-Z). This is just like feminism and the whole chauvinism argument because there is no agreement on what is offensive and what isn't. I think in general though, black people would get annoyed with someone using the n word, especially here. -- G͕͇̰͓̱̭̑̒̿̈́ͮ͌̓ͅO̝̪̯̲͖̦͔ͦ̉́̾̽T͓͖ͤ͊W̛̝̓̽ Ù̻͉̽́s̛͒͌͒̄͐ͨě͍͉̦͙͇ͨ̈ͦ͢r̨̞͔̜̹̹̦̪ͨͤ͗̆͐͛ | T̯̙̀ͣͪ̀̔̚a̮̞͓͈͖̒l̿ͩk̢̲̬̱̬͉̲ 16:37, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Well I definitely think you're in the minority there. Personally, I think seen as it has it has it's roots in degradation, it should be left alone. But I'd only hold it against someone if they tried to use it derogatorily.

Steer clear of using 'rape my rig' too. That's not cool; ever. What Hawk said was fucking awful. Just think about writing something like that in future, especially bearing in mind that that is now permanently bound to your account and is, in my opinion, a mark on your character. -- G͕͇̰͓̱̭̑̒̿̈́ͮ͌̓ͅO̝̪̯̲͖̦͔ͦ̉́̾̽T͓͖ͤ͊W̛̝̓̽ Ù̻͉̽́s̛͒͌͒̄͐ͨě͍͉̦͙͇ͨ̈ͦ͢r̨̞͔̜̹̹̦̪ͨͤ͗̆͐͛ | T̯̙̀ͣͪ̀̔̚a̮̞͓͈͖̒l̿ͩk̢̲̬̱̬͉̲ 17:41, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that common and utterly acceptable figure of speech. I disagree with the majority of the points on there. And to use your own words, 'It is not up to us to determine whether a word is offensive or not. The only ones who have the right to do so are the ones a word personally affects.' Well, it personally affects me, and I'm offended.

"If someone... feels uncomfortable... I defend their right to ask others to stop. The same goes for rape - if a rape victim or observer is personally touched by the term, then they have a right to shut down if others are making light of it." It's not quite so close as an observer (why the fuck would someone observe that and not do something?) or victim, but its close enough. So, as I know by your own words that you linked that you'll back me up on this. -- G͕͇̰͓̱̭̑̒̿̈́ͮ͌̓ͅO̝̪̯̲͖̦͔ͦ̉́̾̽T͓͖ͤ͊W̛̝̓̽ Ù̻͉̽́s̛͒͌͒̄͐ͨě͍͉̦͙͇ͨ̈ͦ͢r̨̞͔̜̹̹̦̪ͨͤ͗̆͐͛ | T̯̙̀ͣͪ̀̔̚a̮̞͓͈͖̒l̿ͩk̢̲̬̱̬͉̲ 18:31, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Well then, count me among the 'observers'. And you 'don't necessarily condone it'? Necessarily? I'd hope you wouldn't condone it at all. And, in this instance, only animals and people have birth canals. Like I said, I take exception to what you said, but understand your meaning. What Eric said is fucking disgraceful at any rate, and is way to close to the bone when it comes to rape, regardless of personal outlook. -- G͕͇̰͓̱̭̑̒̿̈́ͮ͌̓ͅO̝̪̯̲͖̦͔ͦ̉́̾̽T͓͖ͤ͊W̛̝̓̽ Ù̻͉̽́s̛͒͌͒̄͐ͨě͍͉̦͙͇ͨ̈ͦ͢r̨̞͔̜̹̹̦̪ͨͤ͗̆͐͛ | T̯̙̀ͣͪ̀̔̚a̮̞͓͈͖̒l̿ͩk̢̲̬̱̬͉̲ 19:12, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Then I think this is definitely the point to draw a line under this. I'll pass on that conversation, I can't see that we will share the same views. Goals, perhaps, methods, probably not. Thankfully, I know enough about nihilism to make that call ;) Professionalism is probably not the best reason for ending this where it is, as I doubt it was a professional thing to say in the first place, but I think it'd be best to stop here for our friendship if nothing else. See you around Leon :) -- G͕͇̰͓̱̭̑̒̿̈́ͮ͌̓ͅO̝̪̯̲͖̦͔ͦ̉́̾̽T͓͖ͤ͊W̛̝̓̽ Ù̻͉̽́s̛͒͌͒̄͐ͨě͍͉̦͙͇ͨ̈ͦ͢r̨̞͔̜̹̹̦̪ͨͤ͗̆͐͛ | T̯̙̀ͣͪ̀̔̚a̮̞͓͈͖̒l̿ͩk̢̲̬̱̬͉̲ 19:32, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

I certainly understand there are degrees of it, as with any philosophy, but if you self identify as a nihilist, then the degree is already certain in its lower threshold. Your right, it won't be. But I wasn't going to come across what Hawk said and not say anything, I'm not that kind of guy. Equally, I'm pleased I'm not the only one who though that was out of order, and as far as I'm concerned, it's been dealt with, and it's over. I'm here for content creation, not for arguments.

-- G͕͇̰͓̱̭̑̒̿̈́ͮ͌̓ͅO̝̪̯̲͖̦͔ͦ̉́̾̽T͓͖ͤ͊W̛̝̓̽ Ù̻͉̽́s̛͒͌͒̄͐ͨě͍͉̦͙͇ͨ̈ͦ͢r̨̞͔̜̹̹̦̪ͨͤ͗̆͐͛ | T̯̙̀ͣͪ̀̔̚a̮̞͓͈͖̒l̿ͩk̢̲̬̱̬͉̲ 20:34, June 10, 2013 (UTC)


I manipulate most of my location images a bit to make them look better, so I have a rather open mind for it as long as it doesn't go astray from the original too much. What do you have in mind? Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 14:36, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

I picked up something from the chatlogs you were busy with that. When can I see mine =) Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 16:08, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Van Buren

I can try, but don't count on anything. That demo doesn't work for shit 98.7% of the time. It'll freeze and end up fucking up my pc but i will try. Detroit lions.jpg Hawk da Barber 2012 - BSHU Graduate 16:39, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

have fun Detroit lions.jpg Hawk da Barber 2012 - BSHU Graduate 16:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
It'll rape you a new birth canal. Trust me. hue Detroit lions.jpg Hawk da Barber 2012 - BSHU Graduate 16:57, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Unused template

I have done some maintenance and I ask of you to either delete or put somewhere the template you made. Energy X 22:03, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Very well, though I would advise to keep it somewhere inside, e.g. sandbox, to keep this list as shorter as possible. Energy X 22:19, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Leenz, ya bish

Come over to the chat. We need some mods. Metal Gear Mk. II.jpg "Anything, for the family" 04:39, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

Template move

Why did you rename the pre-war company template? The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 00:03, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Pre-War was used in the articles. The template used the correct form in the title parameter. What you've done by renaming the template is force the page to call the template through the redirect, not to mention you only changed the name of the template and did not change any of the template coding or associated template doc that calls on the template also. Are you going to correct all the pages linking to the template and correct the template and doc so we can get rid of the calls through the redirect? The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png
That's my point. All you've done is rename the template. The title of the navbox, what is actually displayed on the page, is a parameter that is already using the correct form, i.e. Pre-War. The usage of the template {{Navbox pre-war companies}} is not only not displayed on the page, but is still exactly that in the source code of the pages. Either you are extending the article page naming standards to the template page, which frankly is not needed, or you have a problem with the template usage in the source code of a page not meeting article page standards, which is also not needed. What I don't want is any template calls going through redirects. Our pages take long enough to load as it is. If for some reason you still need to have the template page meet the naming standards, you'll have to not only change all the page links, but also change the template itself and the doc so we can get rid of the redirects. I don't understand why you felt the need to rename a template that was functioning properly. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 01:10, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
Well that means that the display title parameter in the navbox is somehow screwed up. If the title parameter is defined, it should override the default {{PAGENAME}} title set up in the navbox template. All we really needed to do is figure out why that wasn't working right and fix that, rather than go through all the extra work. The pre-war countries navbox is rendering the title correctly, so there must be something wrong in the pre-war companies one. I'll see if I can find it. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 01:18, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
Go ahead and finish then. The edit link to the template doc is right on the template page itself, in the template documentation header. Easiest way to get there. Or just navigate to template:templatename/doc. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 01:23, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
Go ahead and delete the redirect after you get all the links, if you would. Check "what links here" on the redirect page before you delete it to make sure you got them all, or you'll just have Js asking about the red links in the morning. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 01:27, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Marigold Station

I'm not going to argue about the capitalisation, but please do not ever move such a page without leaving a redirect behind. There are now hundreds of red links. --Skire (talk) 01:36, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Invent some non-existent "condescension" on my part if you wish, but my message was to serve one function: to inform you of the red links we have left behind from not leaving a redirect. The redirects should be removed once all the links are cleared, which at this point there are still many remaining. Furthermore, this provides a chance to fix any double redirects resulting. I am currently going through and fixing links and double redirects and will delete the page when the task is complete. I am quite saddened that a well-intended, benign message could be taken with such animosity and vitriol. --Skire (talk) 01:43, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
I put the "please" there to make it sound like more of a polite request. I have never told you what to do in my time here and will not start now. And I also just got to see Gunny's message above, "Go ahead and delete the redirect after you get all the links, if you would. Check "what links here" on the redirect page before you delete it to make sure you got them all..." There is no benefit in having red links like these. Anyway, I'm going to run those fixes now. I sincerely hope that at this point it is clear I have only the utmost respect for you and every message I send is in good-faith with well-meaning intentions, and I apologise for any miscommunication on my part. --Skire (talk) 01:50, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
I see. Personally I don't like it when people do that to me at all =P And Ctrl+F's a real asset so it's unfortunate you can't utilise it (wasn't aware you couldn't, so my apologies). If you want we can talk more on Skype. --Skire (talk) 02:06, June 13, 2013 (UTC)


can't Catch A Break, Eh leon? ;) -- G͕͇̰͓̱̭̑̒̿̈́ͮ͌̓ͅO̝̪̯̲͖̦͔ͦ̉́̾̽T͓͖ͤ͊W̛̝̓̽ Ù̻͉̽́s̛͒͌͒̄͐ͨě͍͉̦͙͇ͨ̈ͦ͢r̨̞͔̜̹̹̦̪ͨͤ͗̆͐͛ | T̯̙̀ͣͪ̀̔̚a̮̞͓͈͖̒l̿ͩk̢̲̬̱̬͉̲ 01:41, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Flak n' shrapnel

I said it was speculation as I lacked any info that indicated they were homosexual or lovers or anything along those lines. I hadn't noticed Ausir's post on the article talk page and nonetheless feel a small degree of doubt over adding information based on trusting a third party. Ties he may have, but I like having proof I can click on as citations, etc and I feel something like this would require said citation, beyond "According to the developer notes (which we can't show you.)". Richie9999 (talk) 02:15, June 13, 2013 (UTC)


He didn't use the sock to avoid a ban. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard.png 09:00, June 13, 2013 (UTC)


I reverted the companies. I believe "Company" is capped. And I don't why you are so keen on moving instead of redirecting. First redirect, then return to the redirect, click on WhatLinksHere and change these links to the new page. Then you can delete the redirect. Not the other way around. A few days ago the same thing happened to the Van Buren pages. Probably escaped your attention, but I had to correct dozens of red links. If I hadn't seen it the links probably still would have been there. And now you're giving Skire work he didn't ask for. First ask around before you do something this drastic. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 13:42, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not going to revert it (yet). I want a second (or third) opinion. On wikipedia, in real-life, it's Coca-Cola Company with a capital C, see wikipedia. Only logical that the game's equivalent is Nuka-Cola Company. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 16:53, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
Who told you about not making redirects anymore? Gunny? He probably meant, first fix the old links to the new page, then delete the redirect. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 16:55, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
I specifically told you that I don't want any templates linking through redirects. Not that I don't think we should keep redirects to an absolute minimum anyways, but the conversation we had was solely about a redirect linking through a template. Your interpretation that I meant all redirects is of your own making. I also suggested that you fix the pages in the manner above, clear the links through "what links here" on the redirect page and then delete. If you have to do it some other way because of your hardware limitations, that's fine, as long as the links get cleaned up and the redirect gets deleted, like we would expect from anyone. Just so you know, we've been working on reducing the number of redirects for quite some time. A ton of work has gone into it and we've deleted hundreds of them. I guess this may be something you weren't aware of. Keeping the number of unneeded redirects to a minimum will be a big help. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 19:52, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
We have had this talk before, in chat. You were specifically complaining about all of the unnecessary redirects, and how you were attempting to remove them. That's the whole reason why I've been doing all of this, especially with the VB pages - since those definitely don't need any redirects. The nav-box re-naming issue is just the most recent discussion you and I have had over this. But yes, I am going through all of the passages and am cleaning them all out. Mostly manual, but I have a bot that's going to be helping soon. (Not relating to the nav-box.) ForGaroux.png Some Assembly Required! 19:56, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
I don't see anything on the wanted templates log. It'll recache again tonight. I'll check it tomorrow & make sure everything's all gone. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 20:24, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Successfully subdue engineer

Try to get information where you can on Van Buren pages before you remove a stub. For example I found information for the Successfully subdue engineer without alerting others quest on the B.O.M.B.-001 command center#Engineering Core page by checking the WhatLinksHere option. Be creative (which you are I think). I'll try the VB weapon request. From what I remember from a year ago, when I was working on the VB pages, it's pretty tough getting images due to all kinds of bugs and other demo mishaps. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 17:44, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Me too. Don't forget to get that bot to work. Needs a lot of locations parameters inserted. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 19:04, June 13, 2013 (UTC)


There's no alternative account. Stop accusing me of that. --Wasson...Kuasson! (talk) 19:23, June 13, 2013 (UTC)


I prefer changing the links and deleting the redirect. That's what I've been doing. Of course on pages with a huge number of links, this becomes more problematic. Also there are some redirects that make sense to have, but generally ones created from page moves due to spelling, etc, those make no sense at all to keep. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 23:43, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Life of a Confucian

Okay, if you like. I was kind of hoping that that would put an end to it to be honest, but clearly not. But what the hey, I can go again ;) Thanks for taking the time to read it though :) See you man, I can hear the dawn chorus, so I think it's probably time to at least try to sleep! -- G͕͇̰͓̱̭̑̒̿̈́ͮ͌̓ͅO̝̪̯̲͖̦͔ͦ̉́̾̽T͓͖ͤ͊W̛̝̓̽ Ù̻͉̽́s̛͒͌͒̄͐ͨě͍͉̦͙͇ͨ̈ͦ͢r̨̞͔̜̹̹̦̪ͨͤ͗̆͐͛ | T̯̙̀ͣͪ̀̔̚a̮̞͓͈͖̒l̿ͩk̢̲̬̱̬͉̲ 03:12, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

To me (no doubt because I do the same) it's an admirable trait to want to explain yourself and make yourself as clear as possible: it's one of the reasons I don't skimp on words for posts like this. -- G͕͇̰͓̱̭̑̒̿̈́ͮ͌̓ͅO̝̪̯̲͖̦͔ͦ̉́̾̽T͓͖ͤ͊W̛̝̓̽ Ù̻͉̽́s̛͒͌͒̄͐ͨě͍͉̦͙͇ͨ̈ͦ͢r̨̞͔̜̹̹̦̪ͨͤ͗̆͐͛ | T̯̙̀ͣͪ̀̔̚a̮̞͓͈͖̒l̿ͩk̢̲̬̱̬͉̲ 03:26, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Gee Whiz

So I've noticed, removed him from my nemeses list for that. I've got a lovely message on my TP from him too. I don't really appreciate that statement towards my mother to be quite honest. Richie9999 (talk) 17:51, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'd say drop the hammer. I'm not quite fond of people vandalizing my user page or statements of that nature regarding my mother. Plus he doesn't seem to understand the lightheartedness of the nemeses list. Richie9999 (talk) 17:54, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
Do it. I would if I could but he's not in chat or acting up in chat and therefore outside my jurisdiction :/ . Richie9999 (talk) 17:57, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
Leun. You're the same as me, yet I gotta say You're too old Rocky! Richie9999 (talk) 18:04, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Rise of the Tyrant

You and your colleagues are by definition tyrants, and hypocrites at that. Fortunately your unchecked and worthless power does not grasp beyond this Wikia, although I do feel bad for those who wish to enjoy the offerings of this website and have to be subjected by the harassment from individuals like yourself, which seems to make up the entirety of the Fallout Wikia administration.. I find it silly as well that you think removing my right to speech on the chats has phased me in anyway, it has simply proven my hypothesis on the characteristics of you and your subordinates.Understand where we'd be without the freedoms that you desire so much to take awayMegamanacses (talk) 20:10, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Cheerful chap, that was. Hugs MadeMan2.png "Say 'ello to my little friend!"

My image

Tjeez, that one scares me! I was thinking more in line of Ausir's avatar. Like me standing in front of a Vault door, as an overseer in a mighty pose. Done enough around here to deserve one like that, right? Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 12:38, June 19, 2013 (UTC)


Why is information about "Secret Vaults" from the none canon game Fallout Brotherhood of Steel allowed to be on the main page of Vaults without any disclaimers. It does confuse people. They see it on the main page and think it is apart of Fallout canon. It shouldn't be allowed IMO.

Edit: Saw your message to me. But my point is there should be something there to say "this isn't canon."

--StylesV13 (talk) 21:59, June 19, 2013 (UTC)StylesV13

I see your point but didn't Bethesda say Fallout Brotherhood of Steel isn't canon? I am sure they did in an interview with the people from MMA. And didn't Interplay under Hervé Caen say themselves that Fallout Brotherhood of Steel isn't canon. I get that it should be included in the wiki. It has its own page and subpages that have disclaimers. But information from the game shouldn't be included in other main topics such as Vaults without disclaimers. Just my two cents. I am sorry if I am being annoying, I am not trying to pick a fight/ruffle people's feathers. The game just bugs me, thanks for the replies and your explanation.

When I get the time I will go about putting in disclaimers.

--StylesV13 (talk) 22:12, June 19, 2013 (UTC)StylesV13

Thanks for the pics

I musta had a bad day in chat, huh?  The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 01:59, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

No. It's perfect. Me standing over a pile of bodies. Reminds me of chat lately. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 02:16, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Uploaded Images

It was late and it had been sometime since I last uploaded an image, I forgot about the cursor thing. Jspoelstra has taken care of it from the looks of it :). I will remember it for the future. I was surprised those images weren't already here, as you said I guess not to many people look up.

I posted them because someone on the Bethesda forum said that there was no mention of World War 2 by Bethesda and I knew that wasn't right. So I reinstalled the game and went to the Museum to prove it. I also checked out the Resource Wars section and I noticed that there is no mention of Bethesda including a metion of it in Fallout 3.

--StylesV13 (talk) 11:30, June 20, 2013 (UTC)StylesV13

Me? Me!

I love everything about it, except the hair. It's a bit too much Miami gangster instead of classical Chicago mobster. Maybe a smooth wave, eh? I love everything about it beyond that little detail, though (I'm so sorry, I feel really nitpicky)! Hugs MadeMan2.png "Say 'ello to my little friend!"

Both are suave as duckballs, I love them! You get to choose, do you like me better in a hat or without? ;3 Hugs MadeMan2.png "Say 'ello to my little friend!"
Ah, even better! Hugs MadeMan2.png "Say 'ello to my little friend!"

Hurpy burthday!

If you Facebook is to trust, at least! Birthday huggles MadeMan2.png "Say 'ello to my little friend!"

Happy birthday

Have a fandabbydozy day Leon! -- GOTW User | Talk 19:30, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Happy Birthday

Happy Birthday, man ghoul!! I totally knew it was your birthday. Yeah, definitely. No calendar app malfunctions here. Paladin117>>iff bored; 02:53, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Happy liberation-from-the-womb day, Leon, hope you have/had/are having a good one! Richie9999 (talk) 03:01, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

For NCR character

Interesting Leon! Sounds like a fun and well themed project. I agree with the death-from-a-distance fighter type, and I do like the "wishing to finally be a ranger" plan, but I'm not THAT old looking, am I? Just some retouches with the gray hair and some minor edits to the model, and I'll be set =) --User ncr.gif A Safe People is a Strong People! 03:30, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Happy birthday

Hope it's a good one sir. Enclavesymbol.jpg 03:53, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Sir!

Apparently I needed a reminder to remember and I also got a stern tongue-lashing for not remembering a few other birthdays this year...

But since I remembered regardless! Here ya are sir:

FO2 False Citizenship Papers.gif
You have been given a subpoena to appear in chat.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
You sir, need to appear in chat more often as I could not come up with a single gift that would make a reference to your character with humorous subtexts. So unfortunately... it has come to this. My friend... you have just been served. --The Ever Ruler (talk) 03:56, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Bet you will not try that again too soon ~;)

Happy birth day

SaintPain Tiny.jpgSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here." 04:02, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Happy Belated Birthday!

Better late then never right? ... Right?

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You have been given a yummy Birthday Cake.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
Happy Birthday Leon! --The Old World Relics (talk/blog/contributions) 23:46, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

A Wanderer

I was just about to get some images of the named raider bosses like A Wanderer, so I'd be happy to send you a better image of him/her if you'd like. 20:00, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Here's what I came up with: 20:13, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
I know it's late, but thanks for uploading it. 01:38, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry I'm asking so much, but I got a few more images to add to the raider boss pages, mainly variants of the other gender. Would you mind uploading them if I posted the links? 01:57, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks so much.
Bugged/Female Roach King:
Female Torcher:
Survivor (The current one is kind of blurry, and her eyes are closet):
Survivor (Male):
Group shot for Caravan Guard (Crazy Wolfgang) (Not sure why it says Crazy Wolfgang):
I'm sorry it's so much, but I feel like they're necessary. If you think otherwise, just let me know. Thanks. 02:11, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for uploading the images. I'll start putting them on their pages. 02:25, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
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We use everything that's in the GECK. What I've used most is the NPC branch for stats and also the items branch. This branch links to weapons, armors, notes and ammo with all their stats and let's not forget images (rightmouse, then click preview). Also, when you rightclick on an item and then click Use Info, at the bottom you see Used in this Cells. That marks the location(s) of the item. Game Effects has consumables, Actor Data branch has quests and their id's. In another tab you have the World Space data. It opens with Interiors. You can also browse to the Exterior world map. It has all the info on locations. Experiment a bit with it. Most info we already have, mostly in the infoboxes. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 17:03, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

RE from Jspoel's talk:From what I gather the Fallout 1 & 2 dialogues might not have been done correctly. And I already created the project.--Ant2242 (talk) 18:00, June 25, 2013 (UTC) That sounds good. Might make finding dialogue easier. Since I lacked the ability to gather the information until recently, I've just been going by a transcribing project.--Ant2242 (talk) 18:41, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Unblocked 69.125

I unblocked 69.125. He's correcting a lot of information in the infoboxes. Don't you remember he gave you those great images yesterday? There has to be a reason why he removed information on the Enclave soldier page. Probably because it's incorrect and he's working on getting the right information. I'll ask him why he did that. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 18:45, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Temporary Companions

I just added some stuff to the temporary companions section of the Fallout 3 companions page, and I figured I'd try and get a group image of the temporary companions like the one for permanent companions, so I did. If you have the time, would you mind uploading it for me if I post the link? 21:42, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry it's been like four hours, but anyway, here's the link: 01:47, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading it. Anyway, James is not technically a companion, and the Project Purity scientists follow Doctor Li, not the player. I was planning on making infoboxes for DLC companions before attempting to get an image. 02:18, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

Fallout 3/NV dialogues

It's a fairly futile project in my opinion. It's an absolute monks work. There are thousands of lines, columns and branches. Caesar alone has hundreds of lines and then for example what questline generates which new lines? So many variables. When you look at the Fallout1/2 dialogue project, which has a much, much shorter and easier dialogue file, that has not even been completed by far with missing character player in the dialogue files ({Vault Dweller} or {Chosen One}). You could generate a text dump like I explained to Ant2242, but look at the result on The Vault, John Henry Eden. No one's going to read that. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 21:55, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Ok let me see then. I'm curious. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 22:00, June 25, 2013 (UTC)


It's one in the morning here. But yes, I'm around. For a little longer :) -- pecoes 23:02, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand. Where is this coming from? What is it supposed to be? -- pecoes 23:17, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Not sure if that helps, but this is the relevant HTML...

<div class="diabox-half">
        <i>"What brings you, wayfarer grim, to wander here,
        in Sovngarde, souls-end, Shor's gift to honored dead?"</i>
        <li><b>Who are you?</b></li>
        <li><b>I pursue Alduin, the World Eater.</b></li>
        <li><b>I seek entrance to the Hall of Valor.</b></li>

...and this is the relevant CSS:

div.diabox-half {
    width: 400px;
div.diabox, div.diabox-half {
    background: none repeat scroll 0 0 #111111;
    border-radius: 5px;
    margin: 10px;
    padding: 10px;
div.diabox i, div.diabox-half i {
    color: #888888;
    font-style: italic;

Everything else is vanilla Wikia/mediaWiki -- pecoes 23:31, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I hoped it helped a little -- pecoes 23:47, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hello GarouxBloodline, I got your message. Yes, the above css is all I used to style the dialogue trees on Elder Scrolls. Anything placed within the "diabox-half" div will appear inside the rounded box. Any text that is italic will automatically be styled as grey. You can add or remove rules or conditions if you want. If you use the "diabox" class instead, the box will be full width as opposed to 400px. --Jimeee (talk) 13:13, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

Ghost People

Ah ok. But I recall in the game, I asked others in chat to confirm, that they were extremely perceptive, and they were very difficult to sneak by. Now, we tend to not associate in game behaviors with special attributes, so if that holds true, I don't want misleading information on the article to throw users off, you know what I mean jelly bean?--TwoBearsHigh-Fiving Intercom01.png 08:06, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

Ground plane

Image ground plane.jpg
I remember I had the same question when I started out here and still needed to learn my way around the GECK. Here's what I get when I click on preview in the GECK. I have a menu on the left side which you seem to be missing. If I uncheck ground plane, it's removed as you can see. You can also adjust background color to get a good contrast between the image and the background which helps when you need an optimized transparent image. Try and see if you can get that menu to appear somehow. I got it by rightmouse clicking on the branch item, then select Preview. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 12:06, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

(Late) birthday present

Prospector Saloon interior.jpg
You have been given the power of corporate takeover.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
Trudy's crappy bar will be crushed under the mighty heel of the Strategic Nuclear Moose. Happy (late) B-Day, Leon. Dead Gunner's SMG JPG1.jpg "Semper Invictus" 21:41, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

Birthday Wishes

Thank you everyone for the birthday wishes. ^^ ForGaroux.png Some Assembly Required! 21:42, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

So where are all these stories ?

Just because I doped out dose not mean I don't want to support folks you run as hard as they can.

  • The Apprentice writers bit was fun but it just proved to much for my life and the stress of deadlines.

It is totally my fault as I push beyond what is asked and in that effort over extend. My imagination exceeded my limmittions. Family issues and I was making my self sick try'n to please too many folks. Just could not do it in the time frame so I qiuit it.

I would hope folks see it as I do. " I repect the time and effort other put into their stories " My Pain is some times real.

That said. I never read all the remaining contestant stories.. You got a link?

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Hey, I've got some vandals for ya one and a-two. Do you know how many hammer swings it takes to reach the center of a vandal brand vandal-pop? The world may never know. Richie9999 (talk) 03:26, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Rocksalt Image

I'm not going to be annoying and ask for you to upload images for me; however, I would really like your opinion on the image of the female Rocksalt on the Rocksalt page. I'm pretty sure I'm just making a big deal out of this, but the player character of whoever made the image is clearly seen in the background. Again, I don't know if it's really important, but it just seems kind of weird to have someone's character in the background. Plus, if this image is replaced, it invites an opportunity to show Rocksalt's face instead of having it covered by a hockey mask. What do you think? 08:29, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

I never noticed the gray ending at the end of the tunnel before, but I agree that it does kind of ruin the picture. I could always get new images. The lighting in both pictures also seems kind of bland, but I'm pretty sure it won't be a problem if someone else gets an image. Oh, and I know this is kind of random, but I meant to add suggestion for a group shot of the Vault 101 officers on the Vault 101 Security talk page. Do you think a group shot of them would be a good idea? 09:12, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I'll get some new pictures for Rocksalt and a group shot for Vault 101 Security. It should take me like twenty minutes at the most. And if you plan on getting Fallout 3 for the PC, get the Game of the Year addition so you don't overpay for the add-ons, unless you just don't want them at all. 09:24, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
I got the Rocksalt images. I'll send the links in one second. 09:46, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
Male Version:

Female Version: 09:53, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

I managed to get a Vault 101 security group shot fi you wan to upload it. 23:57, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! Here's the group shot: I also took an image of Paul Hannon Sr. from Trouble on the Homefront as his model changes once the player returns to the vault: 00:09, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! 00:18, June 28, 2013 (UTC)


I've checked Gaius Magnus's S.P.E.C.I.A.L. twice. Once it came up as having an 11, and once it came up as 10. I was sure S.P.E.C.I.A.L.s couldn't be larger than 10, and while this is true for the player, I'm just going to check Magnus's charisma a third time to see what comes up. 19:22, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

S.P.E.C.I.A.L.s in the G.E.C.K. don't account for armor and clothing bonuses in the stats section. Instead, a little more work has to be done to figure out what a character's S.P.E.C.I.A.L. is in-game. I usually just set up conditioned scripts or dialogues where an action will only occur if a character's strength is 6 for example if I'm trying to determine an NPC's strength. 19:28, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
I agree with what you said on my talk page; however, that only applies to the player, not for NPCs. I agree that it doesn't make sense, but I just tested Magnus's Charisma, and I got that it was equal to 11. 19:37, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
I'd be glad to show you how I checked his stats, but how familiar are you with the G.E.C.K. and do you know how to make dialogue? 19:42, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
So, do you want me to try to explain to you how you can check for his charisma? It's shouldn't be too difficult. 19:46, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, well the first thing to do is create a new NPC, naming it something that you can remember, and setting Gaius Magnus as the ActorBade in the template date section of the NPC. I'd check "Use traits", "Use stats", and "Use Inventory". You could check "Use base date" too but that's not really too important. Just make sure after you check all, you should then uncheck it. All the date it used from the ActorBase should still be there, but it won't be in gray which means it's now modifiable. 19:52, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
Now just set up a new quest. Again, just same it something you'll remember. After this, add in the topic "GREETING" in the "topics" section. Also, create a new topic (it can be called anything), and add it in to the "topics" section. 20:02, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
There was only one more step to go but oh well. That's the G.E.C.K. for you. Anyway, I'll make the changes now. I'm just going to check with Royez before I edit his page. 20:10, June 27, 2013 (UTC)


I'm not sure you are aware, but we already have an expandable/collapsible content template on the wiki. There's no need for two, unless there's something that Porter's does that mine didn't, and I can't think of anything since I added more options to mine when I made it. Is there something {{Collapsible content}} is not doing that you need done? The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 19:30, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

You need no extra parameters for the collapsible content template. You can use it exactly like Porter's. There's no need for two templates that do the exact same thing. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 19:53, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
I don't understand your point. Both templates spawn almost the same exact html output, and can be used with the exact same mediawiki markup text, except for the template name. Neither is more simple than the other. If you can come up with a legitimate reason why we need two almost exact templates that do the same thing, I'll consider keeping it. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 20:08, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, accidentally posted this on my page:
Collaspible content
{{Expandable content|Expandable content}}
If you prefer "expand/collapse" over the default mediawiki "show/hide" I can change that in the template. That's one of the reasons I added a custom parameter, so we could change the collapse text if we wanted to. But I don't have a preference over either of the above, if you do. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 20:29, June 27, 2013 (UTC)


Also did the same with this:

Determined by whom? The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 20:21, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
And you already answered, thanks. Was this on your talk page somewhere? Archived? Got any idea where it might be? The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 20:26, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
OK. I finally found where Clyde gave the OK to use the "news" category. Right now thought, you might want to look at which cats you're using, since SMN is showing up both in the news and community news. That means it's in both sections on the front page. Which one do would you rather have it in? News? or Community? The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 21:41, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re: TV

I don't know if I've ever directly said this, but I've defiantly alluded to the fact that what I really care about is the information, and if there's a sight out there that contains incorrect information, in this case whatever wiki looked at, I really want to do my best to correct it. Obviously I wasn't all that dedicated as I didn't really explain my edits, instead I just kind of knew that they could be verified by the G.E.C.K. and kind of hoped my edits would be checked with the G.E.C.K.. On the other hand though, if they don't attempt to verify me edits, which I'm guessing at by what was said on my talk page, and they just block me instead, then I guess they'd just continue on with massively incorrect information, which is very disappointing that people posting information about Fallout 3 since they're not bothering to see if what they have hold up. 02:50, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

I'll try putting something on my talk page there. Thanks for the heads up. 03:03, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
Is there some controversial background or something with that wiki? It seems kind of off-limits. 03:05, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Stats Forum

I got everything explained to me from earlier, so sorry about all that. Anyway, I know you kind of know how to use the G.E.C.K. and I just want a couple ideas from people with the G.E.C.K. on how to go about dealing with the issue I brought up on this forum: ( Anything you have to say would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. 05:42, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

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Jade Empire

Did you copy the scripts into your override folder? -- pecoes 10:16, July 02, 2013 (UTC)

Well... The bug was in the original game. It's Bioware who should have fixed it. Blaming GOG is a bit unfair. -- pecoes 18:22, July 02, 2013 (UTC)
I don't recall the details, but the error had something to do with blindly assuming that certain events occurred in a certain order. There were theories that certain sound card drivers cause that millisecond of delay that throws the game off-balance. I don't know if those rumors are true, but having seen that particular bit of Bioware's script code myself, I'm baffled that it does work flawlessly on so many machines. -- pecoes 19:04, July 02, 2013 (UTC)


Yes, I'll probably hang around quite a lot during the summer (and hopefully for the rest of the year, too) so yes, see you around! ^^ MY NAME IS URL.jpg "YIKES!" 11:06, July 2, 2013 (UTC)


"nor are we some sort of secret police"
I'm not the one who played the Hitler card... Just saying...
This isn't about you. Stop acting so god damn proud. I see no reason why telling people that you have other accounts could do any damage, either interwiki or outeriwki, unless you intend to do something bad with that account. Sorry if that offends you but most people don't feel the need to cover stuff up unless they're doing something bad.
JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard.png 21:38, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Did I say "you can't possibly be using them for anything good"? No. I said unless you're not using them for anything bad I fail to see how telling people about them would hurt you or wiki relations. If I'm not allowed to put words in your mouth then why can you do so to me? I think you know as well as I do that "secret police" has the implys nazis more than anything else. End of the day, if you have a second account and don't tell people who it is, I think you must have something to hide. I don't care if it;s you or some nobody. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard.png 21:46, July 2, 2013 (UTC)


Vandal/inappropriate username

Howdy Leon, we've got a vandal/inappropriate username. The user in question is: User:Chrissucksass123 and the edit in question is:
I left this message on burs' page to oin case you're not around.

Richie9999 (talk) 03:31, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Looks like one fearce bitch

Oi the drama you just met.

HEHehe the caption says it all

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Will do sir Leon. I'll keep you posted. Enclavesymbol.jpg 09:35, July 5, 2013 (UTC)


If it's irrelevant, then do we not need to have any notes saying the name is translated into something else in another language? Metal Gear Mk. II.jpg "Anything, for the family" 18:34, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Your request

Only thing that came up was you. Nothing else. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 20:10, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Well, technically, the Wikia bot, Burrs', Agent c's and Skire's accounts all came up too, but that' probably from the wikia bot adding welcome messages. least I think so:P The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 20:22, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
Also, I reopeed the discussion on the reconfirmation process at Forum:Reconfirmation_Process and I'd like you input on the ideas that we were working on. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 20:25, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Ellen DeLoria

I'm sorry to inconvenience you again, but I noticed that Ellen DeLoria's model changes drastically from Escape! to Trouble on the Homefront, and I therefore thought it would be worth having an image of her other model,and I wanted to know if you could upload it. Thank you 03:49, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you 03:55, July 6, 2013 (UTC)


Leon, Vandal, needs banning now.

Richie9999 (talk) 06:49, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
Burs got 'im. Richie9999 (talk) 07:15, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Anon vandal

Hey Leon, I made a bit of a mistake. Turns out, that anon was actually being nice and removing the vandalism and I reverted his good edit. I'm sorry, can you unban him? I'm back for 1 hour and I'm already causing controversies. Thanks, Paladin117>>iff bored; 20:44, July 8, 2013 (UTC)


Does an admin that hasn't made a main page edit in five months qualify as satisfying themselves with projects until Fallout 4? I think the time to see who's qualified could be now. Many admins have been consistent, but not all, and a review would determine who really hasn't been consistent. Those who have done well should have no worries.

Yep. I just picked a random admin, and it turns out he/she has been surviving off of forums, talk pages, and blogs for almost all of 2013 so far. After mid February, no more main page edits. 03:10, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Found another one who hasn't made a main page edit in three months and another who has made a little over fifty main page edits in all of 2013. 03:16, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

200 mainspace edits

Sorry for eavesdropping, Leon, but I read your conversation with 69.125. The old admins who only had ca 200 edits and the like were actually administrators who left shortly after the wiki moved to Wikia after leaving Duck and Cover, so I'll bet the brunt of their edits were there. Just a quick FYI, if anything. Hugs MadeMan2.png "Say 'ello to my little friend!"

Ah. I see. Well, he really didn't have a reason to remove their rights, in case they turned up again, and all. Different attitudes on that back in the day. Hugs MadeMan2.png "Say 'ello to my little friend!"


I had made the most recent edit before that. Enclavesymbol.jpg 08:44, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

The recent history shows my additions to the main background of the article was gone in the most recent addition, making me think I was rollbacked. I'm not even in the edit history of the article now. Enclavesymbol.jpg 08:49, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Blog Comments

So I can't express myself? What if I made a blog on the subject of how I;m sick of all that stuff myself? Would I still get banned for "flame baiting"? JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard.png 21:12, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Also: "with the intent of provoking an angry response" well seeing as that was not my intention, I clearly wasn;t flame baiting. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard.png 21:14, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't looking for a negative response. Thus it wasnt flame baiting. Thus this whole convo is pointless. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard.png 21:15, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

And even though it isn't about the blog directly my comment is about how I feel about that whole blog topic. So I see nothing wrong. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard.png 21:16, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Except for thet fact it wasn't. Because I legitimately feel that people get way too OTT about the Enclave. It wasn't the friendliest opening in the world, but I'm not flame baiting, seeing as I didn't write that to get a reaction I wrote that to EXPRESS MY REACTION. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard.png 21:18, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

I have received your message and will consider the appropriate actions. I will inform you and Jasper as soon I as come to a conclusion. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 21:56, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
I've asked Jasper to please refrain from any further contact with you over these issues until I come to a decision on any course of action. I am asking you to do the same. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 22:10, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
I have read everything I can find pertinent to this issue. You can read my findings at User:The_Gunny/Finding. I'll warn you in advance, you're not going to like it. I consider this matter closed, unless you want to approach Js or Clyde about it. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 02:03, July 11, 2013 (UTC)
Ya know, I believe you about holding grudges. We've not always had the best relationship here, but when you needed someone to look into this, you asked me. I recognize that for what it is and appreciate it. I sincerely hope you and Jasper are able to work this out, and I also appreciate the way you've responded. Thank you. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg.png 20:06, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

End Boss

I'm not doing that much for giggles and grins here and this isn't an exception. Didn't think it gave the uniquely named weapon enough credit. "end boss" decap somehow doesn't sound enough here. Also considered it sort of a title I think, like the example you gave. Not sure. The capitalization will probably always be a topic of controversy. You can change it back I suppose but then also do the knife. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 22:13, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

I have let that part of the issue go

The rules say play nice with anons so I have been try'n. It dose matter to me at this point what his statious is I still consider his undesired contact spam. If it was chat " Just say'n drop it would be enough " but his continued efforts to piss me off is being ignored. I have asked him not to contact me. I even said please and wished him a good life.

No one can please every one. All I have asked for is that he not abuse my accout with his unsolicited advice. This has nothing to do with his member statious. It all about his condescending attitude and the fact I do not believe I should be required to answear his mail. I am not speaking down to him. I am honestly attempting to avoid the conflict he insist on bringing to my talk page even after he has been ask to stop.

SaintPain Tiny.jpgSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here." 23:47, July 10, 2013 (UTC)


why do you center all yo shit dawg? Detroit lions.jpg Hawk da Barber 2012 - BSHU Graduate 02:47, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

this is uncalled for, this is the reason why we cant have nice things. because i cant navigate your userpage nor your talkpage. i bid you good day. Detroit lions.jpg Hawk da Barber 2012 - BSHU Graduate 02:51, July 11, 2013 (UTC)
we need a real hero. and a real human bean. and i have the answer to our predicament. but first we must uncenter this damn talkpage and teach you some html to fix that userpage. i bid you good day. Detroit lions.jpg Hawk da Barber 2012 - BSHU Graduate 02:54, July 11, 2013 (UTC)



"Quote" Uhm, Saint... this is your character, isn't it? ForGaroux.png Some Assembly Required! 19:05, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I got them to take your image down. It was the one where you had an auto-ax over the corpse from your user-page. Unfortunately, it seems like they only temporarily hid the image, and deleted my posts and blocked me from their page. I reported them, but you might want to send them a message yourself since it was your art they had stolen. ForGaroux.png Some Assembly Required! 19:32, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

"End quote"

I think I know the image you mean. It is just a cool screen shot that I would gladly share with the world.

  • Unless some one is offended by the level of gore ~;P..

I don't see a problem. I did some highlights to make the image pop a wee bit from the dark original but I can not really claim it as my art.

It's a screen shot.

Unless they are useing my name or otherwise pretending to be me I would not worry.

* Still I honestly thank you for be'n a friend who's got my back.

I like google searching and finding images I posted.

I guess that makes me a little vain ~;P

I admit it..HEHEhe I am laughing at my own shamelessness outloud now.

So another long story short

First and fore most I thank you for be'n a great lookout.

2nd unless they mean to do harm by impersonating be in a negative way they should be welcomed to that screen shot.

  • I'd accually find it flattering that folks like my game character. " Hes just soo damn purdy " ~;D
  • If the image user means no harm I am O.K. with it.
  • Is there a way we can tell them to rock on & have fun with it ?

Lastly I do thank you again.

If it had been my original art work or if the user was stealing my identity there might have been a real issue,

so thank you Brother !

SaintPain Tiny.jpgSaintPainJust here to help." 21:10, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

REALLY they claimed to be me or that it was their immage?

I do have a face book that I used to use as Saint Pain but I don't think I've used it in a year.

As for the screen shot, I had to use console commands to get that coat.

Maybe I should look into this ??

I can do enough dammage to my own reputation with out their help ~:P

SaintPain Tiny.jpgSaintPainJust here to help." 21:28, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

It must have been taken down already.

I just checked the link you sent and looked at his pics..

My bloody dungeon was not there.

I bet he is just a Fallout fan.

Still thanks again anyway


I don't mind sharing this.

Although I only visit it a few times each month. My Face book is



I'm the son of a baptist preacher, Enter at your own risk.

I rarely even go there myself.

SaintPain Tiny.jpgSaintPainJust here to help." 21:57, July 11, 2013 (UTC)


Too late for richie's birthday! Also, are you encouraging drug use on the wiki? BANBANBAN! Metal Gear Mk. II.jpg "Anything, for the family" 08:08, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

I have enough left over from EB's farm, when the raid for all his old stuff happened. Metal Gear Mk. II.jpg "Anything, for the family" 11:38, July 12, 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for leaving me a message, I went to wiki activity, did a revert and got 10 points of luck 2 minutes before an anon got it. Metal Gear Mk. II.jpg "Anything, for the family" 11:42, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Oi. We gots a vandal

Oi. Vandal.
Richie9999 (talk) 05:03, July 13, 2013 (UTC)


No. You're stuck with them forever. Unless you use console commands... Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 19:17, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Raider Bosses

It doesn't say they're mini-bosses. Only one is. 19:54, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Two are identified as bosses. One as miniboss. The Springvale boss is the confirmed leader. 19:57, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
You confired that keys cannot be dropped. You made up that no more than one key can be added. Check FO3. 19:58, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
All 3 are listed as bosses in the G.E.C.K. 20:00, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
The burden of proof lies on me. I'll get a screenshot. 20:01, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry. I'm being rude, and I apologize. The raiders are listed as "SpringvaleElemBoss", "SpringvaleElemMiniBoss", and "BethRuinsLvlRaiderBoss". We know that the first is a leader based on notes; however we do not know if the Bethesda one is. Sorry about the key edit summary. Uncalled for. I'll have a screenshot of multiple keys in a second. 20:06, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not insulted it's just that I test 99% of everything I put in, including the multiple keys note, so I'm rather quick to immediately reverting edits without really explaining. I suppose we should rename the Bethesda raider page to "boss" instead if "leader", as we aren't really sure if he/she is the leader. 69.l25 (talk) 20:17, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

I can test this, but I think it may be that the key needs to be labeled as a quest item in order for multiple copies to be obtained. I'll check very quickly. 69.l25 (talk) 20:21, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Scratch that. Looks like that isn't the case. 69.l25 (talk) 20:22, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

I renamed the Bethesda raider page to say "boss" because that's what the G.E.C.K. says, and we don't know if he/she is the leader. As for the key, did you try checking Fallout 3? The easiest way to check would be to go to Paradise Falls and get two Paradise Falls box keys. One from Forty and one from Eulogy Jones' desk. 20:41, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

I can check New Vegas myself and just see if I can get multiple copies of a key. Sorry to keep switching between anon and account. 69.l25 (talk) 20:48, July 15, 2013 (UTC)


This is what I've found. 69.l25 (talk) 20:59, July 15, 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for the offer, but I'm actually not going to be editing for quite a while as I'm not going to have the time, but there's always next year. Still, a G.E.C.K. tutorial would be a great idea seeing as it would be a solid way to get people more familiar with how to get info from the G.E.C.K. for pages or just for their own enjoyment. I hope you can find someone who can help with it. 69.l25 (talk) 01:19, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

All right. I'll let you know if I ever want to pick it up any time in the future. 69.l25 (talk) 01:34, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Gourmand of the Apocalypse

Looks good. I love your graphics.

  • I have no idea how to do a preperation video but if you do I know I could come up with some creative recipes. ~Collaboration~ might be our best bet. What do you think ?

I could open with some drinks and horderves recipes from game ingredients.

  • Still it might be best to delay a week untill we have booth had time to tweek it.

SaintPain Tiny.jpgSaintPainJust here to help." 03:04, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

One of them there vandal types.

Hey. I gots one of them there vandal types for ya.
Richie9999 (talk) 03:09, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Interview

I probably enjoy role-playing more than the average person (as most people on this site feel the same). I've been playing DnD since I was 14, if that tells you anything. --Kastera (talk) 05:14, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

As long as it doesn't take up too much time, it would be a pleasure. Just tell me what you want from me and I'll see what I can do. :) --Kastera (talk) 05:26, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
Can I roleplay Theodore "Texas" Calhoun, or would you prefer I play a character from a published game? --Kastera (talk) 05:35, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
Just a friendly reminder that you haven't sent me the questions you said you were going to. Basically, this is a bump. *bump* --Kastera (talk) 15:16, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

I'm done with the interview; if you come up with more questions/additions to questions, let me know and I'll finish them up. --Kastera (talk) 02:28, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

What is the bounty board?

I am kind of thick y'all know that ~;P

I just don't understand what it is.

  • Is it a buddy list ?
  • Is it a sister site list ?

SaintPain Tiny.jpgSaintPainJust here to help." 21:54, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

heyy wbl

ay bby, when is dis centered problem gonna get fixed???????????????????????? Detroit lions.jpg Hawk da Barber 2012 - BSHU Graduate 02:15, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

pls dont be like dis bby. you need to fix it. I DEMAND YOU FIX THIS SHIT. Detroit lions.jpg Hawk da Barber 2012 - BSHU Graduate 02:22, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
because i was too busy looking at the awful drapes you bought the other day. they don't even go with the furniture. and on top of that you want new carpet! We just got new carpet last year. Detroit lions.jpg Hawk da Barber 2012 - BSHU Graduate 02:27, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
How do you forget blue is my favorite color and not that thing people call red????????? What other men?!?!?!?! Detroit lions.jpg Hawk da Barber 2012 - BSHU Graduate 02:30, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
I thought your eyes were brown?!?!?!?! Detroit lions.jpg Hawk da Barber 2012 - BSHU Graduate 02:35, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

News from the Front

Turns out the issues I was having with New Vegas' installation were fixed by re-installing Steam. I'm going to fiddle with it and see if it works tomorrow but I might be able to carry on with where I left off in terms of reviewing mods. And if I pick up Fallout 3 in this sale eventually that might be even better. Especially so now that I have 6 weeks of spare time. I'll have a play tomorrow and get back to you, if this is something we can still continue with of course. --DragonBorn96Talk 22:07, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

I am most certainly still interested now that I have a working game again. :P Fallout 3 is being resistant to any of my attempts at modding it but my New Vegas is right back up to how it was before it imploded. I'll have a gander around the Nexus and pick up something to make for next Thursday in that case. Pretty pictures here I come. --DragonBorn96Talk 20:30, July 25, 2013 (UTC)


Howdy, vandal here: I'mma leave duplicate messages on Xs, Bears and Jspoel's Tps to see that he gets dealt with in a timely manner. Richie9999 (talk) 08:03, July 22, 2013 (UTC)


This never should have happened. He created content on the article space by mistake yesterday and I moved it to his userpage. That must have surprised him already. Then he copied it to and removed it again from his talkpage and probably became more confused (being a new user) when he got that message from Richie. So ok, he removed everything but I don't believe it was bad faith, just inexperience and confusion. If he had just placed the content directly on his userpage nothing would have happened in the first place. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 14:13, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Just starting out here as a brand new user and immediately being "hounded" by a bureaucrat, moderator and an admin. I think he acted in confusion and made some wrong calls. We need to make new users feel welcome, not chase them away. He deserves a clean slate. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 15:55, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
Well, I did think about that before I overturned your ban, what you call going "over your head" and even tried to remember if I had done that before. I can't remember it, so it would be a first time as I recall. I looked at the situation and it was such a minor incident (1-day ban) I thought it would be ok. I also personally felt involved, because it all started when I moved the page to his userpage and he started fiddling with it. I wanted to make things right and judged that was warranted in this particular case. I won't make a habit of it, ok? Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 16:13, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

The Moose

Any idea when the Moose is going to be updated? I'm eager to see people's reaction to Texas. --Kastera (talk) 21:08, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Gourmand of the Apocalypse

I need a link to where exactly you want me to post those wasteland recipe ideas for the the Moose.

  • Can I get a link that I can save ? I'll post it on my user page as a link.

SaintPain Tiny.jpgSaintPainJust here to help." 12:53, July 24, 2013 (UTC) Bon appétit ~BD

Sure thing. I'll start slow with some quick and easy stuff.

Here is an idea.. Could you put together a template kind of like Agent C's apprentice disclaimer ?

SaintPain Tiny.jpgSaintPainJust here to help." 03:13, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Here is the first edition. SaintPain Gourmand of the Apocalypse

If it is not what you had in mind please let me know & we will just call this one a test page ~;)

SaintPain Tiny.jpgSaintPainJust here to help." 04:35, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Cool ~ I'll start putting some thing together then.

SaintPain Tiny.jpgSaintPainJust here to help." 04:41, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

That should serve as one multiple course dinner ~ I hope it serves your needs brother Bloodline ~;)

P.S. How many Gourmand menus will you be needing each month ?

SaintPain Tiny.jpgSaintPainJust here to help." 09:11, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

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