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Read this before making another edit, please. ☢ Energy X ☣ 13:56, November 18, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading those power armor images. Can you make another screenshot of the Marine armor (Fallout 76)? During daylight, also with the character facing the sun, so you get no shadow/best lighting. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 15:19, December 29, 2018 (UTC)

Game GuideEdit

Isn't that second blaster mentioned anymore in the guide? You removed a sensitive piece of information from a page. If you do that, please leave a summary comment for others to know. In this instance it would be "blaster isn't listed anymore", something in that order. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 16:03, January 7, 2019 (UTC)

The Vault contentEdit

If you copy content from The Vault, can you leave a comment in the summary box? That way they are given credit. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:27, September 17, 2019 (UTC)

  • Sure thing! JCB2077 (talk) 21:02, September 17, 2019 (UTC)

Nukapedia - Vault Merger: voting has reopenedEdit

Howdy,

As you may have already seen, voting for the proposed merger has been reopened. Voting was originally postponed so that users could better discuss the proposal, and after a lengthy conversation, that forum has since come to a close. For more information, please see the discussion itself. The post is a little lengthy, but if you are truly interested in making an informed decision, I would recommend reading through it.

Because this discussion may or may not affect how you voted initially or your rationale at the time, please review your post so that it reflects your current beliefs accurately.

This is only a notice of open polls and is not soliciting a change of vote. This is a generic talk page message intended only as for any and all voters, so as to avoid any indication of bias towards a particular outcome. Voting is slated to end on 5:01 pm November 1, 2019 (UTC).

The formal vote can be found here.

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CC terminal entriesEdit

These CC terminal entries you added, to which CC content/quest do they belong to? Jspoel Speech Jspoel 18:02, November 6, 2019 (UTC)

Mass Pike Tunnel terminal entries goes to the X-02 power armor, which is part of Speak of the Devil.

Boston Public Library terminal entries goes to Neon Winter, which is part of Neon Flats. And Hub 360 terminal entries goes to Early Retirement (quest), which is part of Noir Penthouse.JCB2077 (talk) 19:07, November 6, 2019 (UTC)

RetroEdit

Check your (red) links on new pages you create. They can all be solved fairly easy in this case. I don't want unnecessary ones around. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 15:41, November 8, 2019 (UTC)

Alright. JCB2077 (talk) 17:54, November 8, 2019 (UTC)

ImportingEdit

If you import pages (I take it you follow the guidelines and read what you replace before you replace/add on to it) check the page for red links. I just solved several unnecesary ones. Take more time before you leave a page behind. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 16:29, November 27, 2019 (UTC)

I do, I was just in a bit of a rush with the Harold page, so I was going to come back to it in a bit, but thanks for fixing them. JCB2077 (talk) 17:32, November 27, 2019 (UTC)
Can you check the links of the content you import? They're not all good ones like ammo and aid, Stealth Boy. You also leave a red link on occassion. Take more time to see if you leave the article well attended to. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:24, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
Alright. JCB2077 (talk) 20:29, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
You're leaving unnecessary empty lines in the detailed walkthrough section. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:41, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
Unnecessary? My apologies, I thought it was customary to leave an empty line after an asterisk. JCB2077 (talk) 20:46, November 29, 2019 (UTC)

( No, it's not customary. You can check any other random page with asterisks sumup (notable loot for example). Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:50, November 29, 2019 (UTC)

I shall do that once I finish the imports of these quests. JCB2077 (talk) 20:52, November 29, 2019 (UTC)

Follow upEdit

You're still leave imported content behind with too little care. Replace w: with wikipedia: and Fallout timeline with Timeline. Also browse your links in the content you import. We have some different ones here, Far Harbor, Nuka-World, Acadia, Children of Atom, loading screen hints, power armor station etc. (see Far Harbor (location). This is taking me too much unnecesary time to correct. You do check the content you replace right? Don't just copy whole pieces of content from the Vault to here without reading what we have on Nuka. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 15:31, December 2, 2019 (UTC)

ImportingEdit

You're making me a little nervous with your pace of importing. Can you slow down/not make that many edits in a day? Your edits need checking and also contain some errors by not taking enough time I think to see what we already have on our wiki. Always compare, not just blindly replace whole content (clearly). Jspoel Speech Jspoel 15:26, December 6, 2019 (UTC)

Well, I do take time to go through and evaluate the page. While I can be hasty in certain edits, for the most part, most have been useful, substantial, and informative. Of course, not every single one is, but for even minor ones, like changing References/references to { RT }, or fixing a needed citation, a complete replacement or an editorialized import is better than nothing at all. That being said, I have been slowing down and reviewing my edits for red links and improper evaluation, though I don't catch everything. JCB2077 (talk) 15:31, December 6, 2019 (UTC)
Can you check your links? I had to disambig some links to (Fallout), you can also change Fallout timelime to timeline. Behind the scenes goes below the Appearances. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 18:07, December 8, 2019 (UTC)
W: doesnt work with us. Use wikipedia:. Also change Fallout timeline and Timeline. Reverted your yao guai edit, you removed the biology section which is transcluded on sub-game pages. And you left a few red links in the references on that yao guai edit. Check these things. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 15:19, December 13, 2019 (UTC)

T-45d power armorEdit

You just removed <section begin="background"/> and <section begin="Design"/> from the original T-45d power armor page making other subpages missing content. I just told you to better look at what you're doing. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 23:52, December 13, 2019 (UTC)

I did, and it didn't show any red links of any kind. JCB2077 (talk) 23:55, December 13, 2019 (UTC)
I don't know about changing that page. New content looks rather bulky to me. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 23:55, December 13, 2019 (UTC)
You can't see it anymore because I reverted it, but Power armor (Fallout 3) was without background and design. That page takes a large piece of its content from the overview page. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 23:56, December 13, 2019 (UTC)
It might be bulky, but it's informative, and fits the page, as it's meant to be an overview of that specific Power Armor in both gameplay terms (suits and their variants) and lore terms, covering information that would be too long for the other pages covering Power Armor. As for the background and design section, I didn't touch design, I simply removed the Van Buren part from it, as it had already been covered in the background section. I do apologize for removing the part though, and I'll fix it. JCB2077 (talk) 00:02, December 14, 2019 (UTC)

energy weapons in NCR? Edit

Just because one quest involves the PURCHASE of energy weapons does not mean either side actually uses or have used them. for all we know this is the first time either faction has expressed any interest in energy weapons. you cannot say that these factions use energy weapons when nothing except one little quest Involves them. As a side note the Gun Runners, the NCR's main weapon suppliers, do not sell energy weapons ( this is mentioned in-game and none can be bought from vendortron).

The NCR have used energy weapons since Fallout 2, as part of their police and Ranger forces. As for their actual use of weapons, expressing interest in such weapons doesn't mean they've never used them in the decades they've existed. Also, they do sell energy weapons, both as part of Gun Runners Arsenal, and although they don't deal in them at the 188, they do in some capacity, as evidenced by this: The Courier: "Why don't you deal in energy weapons?"
Alexander: "We used to. But every caravan carrying them was getting ambushed and wiped out. By someone sophisticated enough to know which was which. We think it was the Brotherhood of Steel - those crazies always go hard for energy weapons. But the NCR would rather pretend they killed all of them."
(188Alexander.txt)

Energy weapons Edit

I still don't agree with you but so long as nobody adds energy weapons to the inventory infoboxes of NCR and legion soldiers found in-game in FONV (aside from the marked men who aren't actually ncr or legion anyway) I wont argue further.


BoS Religious? I would argue both. Edit

Thanks for your reply, I appreciate the input on the matter.

I had a nice, long think today about what you put on my talk page, and the brief time we discussed on Discord. I would actually argue that the Brotherhood of Steel are both, and I'll explain why.

In order to qualify as religious, the Brotherhood have to be worshiping a superhuman controlling power. Superhuman means having or showing exceptional ability or powers, but it does not have to apply to a person or being. Technology is a superhuman controlling power to the Brotherhood because they believe it is the ultimate, decisive factor in the wasteland and for humanity's future. Whilst created by humans, it exceeds the creative (like the GECK) and the destructive (like the Atom bomb) capabilites of humans alone, making it a superhuman power in its own right, by definition. The Brotherhood believe the fate of humanity and the world rests with who possesses technology, and so they make it their (literal) crusade to acquire and preserve technology from those who would abuse it.

Whilst their use of technology is largely unspiritual, their fervour and zealousness to Roger Maxson's teachings, the Maxson bloodline and their beliefs about the power of technology show that they hold these things as both benevolent and sacrosanct. Not all Brotherhood members (as we have seen) hold true as purists and zealots, showing us that not all Brotherhood members have this religious affinity (or perhaps they choose to venerate some Brotherhood teachings over others, but I'll get to that). We also see examples of hero-worship or veneration for a more recent Maxson for the first time through the reverence of Arthur Maxson in the West (whether this is indeed true or not depends on the honesty of Proctor Quinlan), but it shows that the Brotherhood has religious aspects.

However, the Brotherhood of Steel did not set out to become a religious order to begin with, but rather Roger Maxson simply founded the Brotherhood based on his beliefs about technology, how one should conduct themselves to preserve the future of mankind, and the philsophy that should be adopted. Like many messiahs however, his teachings and beliefs would become the bedrock of the organisation that would come to hold him with deep honour and adulation, for his actions in granting them a purpose and a way of life. Roger Maxson's teachings, much like the teachings of Jesus (who historians believe may have been a real man, but construed by religious text that was written much later after his life), have been interpreted in many different ways and forms, as we can see in the behaviour of differing chapters (in a similar way to different forms of christianity, sometimes drastically opposed to one another).

I believe that whilst most of the Brotherhood have this religious fervour, one can join the Brotherhood, and be a true Brotherhood member, without being religious in their credence of Brotherhood doctrine. In addition, I do believe that even Roger Maxson understood the superhuman controlling power that technology poses, showing that his beliefs and principles would pave the way for the Brotherhood as a techno-religious/quasi-religious faction. Thank you for your time. TechnoCrusader (talk) 01:52, January 17, 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate your message, though I would add onto it utilizing examples from the games, especially the earlier ones, as well as 76. For example, while you are indeed correct about the power of technology, especially Fallout's technology, Fallouts 1 and 76 exemplify the power of technology. While 76 expands much more on Roger's take on the whole situation as it was happening, 1 focuses much more on their religious aspects, especially with bits like Sophia's tape, which sounds like a holy doctrine rather than a recounting of simple events as Captain Maxson's diary was. Of course, the BoS also has its intelligent members, from Vree to Veronica to Quinlan, to balance out the mixes of the overly religious and overly militaristic members.

As for the foundation of the BoS, as I mentioned earlier, 76 sheds a lot of light and expansion onto what F1 set up, establishing a legitimate character for Roger, motivations, a goal, an ideology in the making. Unfortunately, that ideology soon turned out to be much more than it was cracked up to be, with even his son, Roger II, turning on him and agreeing that the best way to handle things being to shut out the outside world. It was also these perversions of his original intents that lead to the BoS seen under John in F1, and the eventual Mojave Chapter, xenophobic isolationists who would rather slap a bomb collar onto your neck, or send you on a suicide mission, never expecting you to come back otherwise.

To expand on that, I refer to the final paragraph, in which you are once again correct that one can join the BoS without a religious reverence of technology, especially in the later chapters of the rogue Lyons, and the reunited Eastern Division under Arthur. In conclusion, I agree with most of what you said, and have added my own thoughts to it in my own manner, and thank you for the thought-provoking points. JCB2077 (talk) 03:48, January 17, 2020 (UTC)

Removing edits Edit

Hey stop undoing my edits without at least giving explanations! and when was the courier ever in charge of the the divide prior to Ulysses? and martin retslaf was in charge of hopeville, PRIOR to the great war. not the entire, contemporary divide

Ulysses mentions it himself, that the Courier essentially built up the community that came to be known as the Divide through their travels and trades. They're about as much of a leader as most people are. Including the reference to the book and film The Postman, in which a simple mailman becomes the leader and hero of various communities through a mere trade he has, of being a postman. And while Martin was in charge of Hopeville, which the page mentions, the Divide is essentially both Ashton and Hopeville, hence his leadership status. JCB2077 (talk) 00:55, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

how is the courier a leader prior to blowing it up? makes no sense. and you removed my edits on operation sunbursts. I made those edits because there is too much unnecessary text there. those boxes aren't meant for entire texts of ambiguous NPC dialogue(which also do not provide any definite statistics and numbers)

other people have been telling you this as well stop making info boxes so bulky

It is ambiguous, yes, but it's also a direct source and estimate on the information that couldn't be discerned from any other source that isn't either an ego boost or a fallacy. As for "unnecessary text" it's informative and relates to the article in a sense that bolsters it, and doesn't detract from the actual information. JCB2077 (talk) 00:55, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

How can you use in-game measures as justifiable evidence? for all we know there could have been far less gunners and has only been reinforced just before you arrive? you cant use in game numbers to justify something lore based. for example the battle of hover dam involved over 100 ncr troopers plus what ever the legion had. the game would crash if there was that many npcs in one place.

You can if there's nothing to contradict said basis. Especially when in-game numbers are all one can go on sometimes. Also, the games can handle 100+ NPC's, even if it lags a bit when rendering it all. Same with the Quincy Massacre, you can refer to the number of corpses, number of present NPC's, as well as what's said on terminal entries. JCB2077 (talk) 01:30, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

no you cant put use in-game numbers when there is nothing else where are you even coming up with this?

Hey guys, I'll put my two pennies into this little debate here. The Courier very much built up the community in a similar way to The Postman, and is directly stated by Ulysses to have been the sole person responsible for the settlement's prosperity. Whilst the Courier was not commanding the settlement, he was leading the settlement to prosperity that may have even resulted in national status. It's quite simple, the Courier is the only one referenced to have been any kind of remote leader, and so that's what we have to go on. JCB2077 is not wrong. Are you going to argue against the game's lore?

As for the Operation: Sunburst situation, there are plenty of examples of this wiki using in-game numbers where there is no lore alternative to describe a situation or put a situation into context. Your example concerning the soldiers at Hoover Damn is not relevant to the discussion, as that's like comparing an apple to an orange. In-game numbers are used all the time where no other option can be taken.

I know that JCB2077 removed your edit, but removing his edit constitutes provoking an Edit war on the User Conduct page. From one user to another, it may be time to read it: https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_Wiki:User_conduct_guideline

Also, talk pages require you sign off with four tildes (~ x4). TechnoCrusader (talk) 19:15, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

the divide Edit

not going to accept your vague and subjective edits revolving around the divide page, sorry.

It's not subjective or vague, the page makes it extensively clear how much influence the Courier had on the formation and expansion of the old Divide, removing them as a leader might as well make that entire section pointless. JCB2077 (talk) 14:20, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

yest the courier had a lot of influence THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM THE LEADER OF THE DIVIDE. he travels to lots of places is he the leader of the hub? or New Canaan? because his dialogue indicates he travels around a lot. how can he lead(rule/command/run) a settlement while he is travelling?

He works for the Mojave Express, which is headquartered in The Hub, so technically he is lead by people in The Hub. The problem here is that he travels a lot, but he always returned to The Divide. For no real reason other than it being a "home" to them. Building it up to the point that both the NCR and Legion want to take it over makes it quite a valuable target that wouldn't exist if not for the countless journeys undertaken by the Courier, noted by Ulysses to be hell, from storms, countless seasons, and so on. So yes, the Courier was essentially the leader or even founder of the old Divide. JCB2077 (talk) 14:33, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

ImportingEdit

Can you leave something more than "Importing from the Vault" when you import? It doesn't leave a good impression copy pasting entire pages from there with just that summary comment. You need to show you've at least read our content as well. (I do some importing from TV as well with the same comment, however, they are all new pages). Jspoel Speech Jspoel 16:41, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

I would, but, having read much of Nukapedia's content over the years, and in comparison to The Vaults, I find that importing most pages in a supposed "copy/paste" format, but still in accordance with the merging guidelines per policy, is much easier and leads to less hassle most of the time. Of course, not all the time, but most. As for TV content, as me and Ant have found, being the only two relatively active and only TV importers (With Dave and Tagaziel included when they're around), it's hard to import when every other import of content is reverted with the only explaination being given is "Nukapedia content has its merits, if you post over even one sentence your edit is reverted", it gives a bad impression unto itself. It would be greatly appreciated if Nukapedia staff and editors could actively import it at the rate other imports have been made, but for the past 6 months since the beginning of the merge, it seems that has not been on the case, as focuses are more on popularity contests in the discussions chat and arguing in the Discord or over trivial details like if the Courier did or did not establish and hence lead the Divide community. Forgive the rant, but those are simply my observations from these past few months of the merger, and that, as simplistic as "Importing from TV" is, it's the only real way to convey what it is without mucking up 50 people's "oh-so-precious" edits. Again, those who have issues with how Ant and I do things have points, but without proper support or substantial improvements to either wiki, the process that has whelmed the merger for the last half-year may continue for quite a bit longer. JCB2077 (talk) 16:51, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

Don't know why you're ranting you seem to be getting your way even without much respect for nukapedias content and yeah, my argument was trivial, but the fact is you're changing content that was fine until you pushed vault content onto it without compromise. Branebriar

As JP said, Vault content is better researched and taken directly from the games, it's you who cannot compromise on it. That being said, I would appreciate it if you left my page, as it seems you have nothing nice left to say. JCB2077 (talk) 00:20, January 22, 2020 (UTC)

Warning: Counter-Productive Edit Warring is BadEdit

Hey guys, we've noticed that you have been clashing with another user regarding the content of Quincy Massacre and other pages. Your actions constitute a textbook example of edit warring. In the spirit of fostering a healthy environment, we are issuing you the following:

  1. 1 (one) official warning regarding your behavior. Come on, you both know better.
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Reverting changes, even with the most detailed summary, is considered passive-aggressive at the best of times. Seek consensus using the tools we already have at our disposal.

Thank you for your understanding. Now, back to editing!

In nomine Administrati,

Tagaziel 15:31, January 24, 2020 (UTC)

wes at quincy?--Branebriar1930 (talk) 16:10, January 24, 2020 (UTC) Edit

how do you know wes was at the quincy massacre>

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