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JCB2077

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EditEdit

Read this before making another edit, please. ☢ Energy X ☣ 13:56, November 18, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading those power armor images. Can you make another screenshot of the Marine armor (Fallout 76)? During daylight, also with the character facing the sun, so you get no shadow/best lighting. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 15:19, December 29, 2018 (UTC)

Game GuideEdit

Isn't that second blaster mentioned anymore in the guide? You removed a sensitive piece of information from a page. If you do that, please leave a summary comment for others to know. In this instance it would be "blaster isn't listed anymore", something in that order. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 16:03, January 7, 2019 (UTC)

The Vault contentEdit

If you copy content from The Vault, can you leave a comment in the summary box? That way they are given credit. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:27, September 17, 2019 (UTC)

  • Sure thing! JCB2077 (talk) 21:02, September 17, 2019 (UTC)

Nukapedia - Vault Merger: voting has reopenedEdit

Howdy,

As you may have already seen, voting for the proposed merger has been reopened. Voting was originally postponed so that users could better discuss the proposal, and after a lengthy conversation, that forum has since come to a close. For more information, please see the discussion itself. The post is a little lengthy, but if you are truly interested in making an informed decision, I would recommend reading through it.

Because this discussion may or may not affect how you voted initially or your rationale at the time, please review your post so that it reflects your current beliefs accurately.

This is only a notice of open polls and is not soliciting a change of vote. This is a generic talk page message intended only as for any and all voters, so as to avoid any indication of bias towards a particular outcome. Voting is slated to end on 5:01 pm November 1, 2019 (UTC).

The formal vote can be found here.

Thanks,

The Dyre Wolf (talk) 11:39, October 28, 2019 (UTC)

CC terminal entriesEdit

These CC terminal entries you added, to which CC content/quest do they belong to? Jspoel Speech Jspoel 18:02, November 6, 2019 (UTC)

Mass Pike Tunnel terminal entries goes to the X-02 power armor, which is part of Speak of the Devil.

Boston Public Library terminal entries goes to Neon Winter, which is part of Neon Flats. And Hub 360 terminal entries goes to Early Retirement (quest), which is part of Noir Penthouse.JCB2077 (talk) 19:07, November 6, 2019 (UTC)

RetroEdit

Check your (red) links on new pages you create. They can all be solved fairly easy in this case. I don't want unnecessary ones around. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 15:41, November 8, 2019 (UTC)

Alright. JCB2077 (talk) 17:54, November 8, 2019 (UTC)

ImportingEdit

If you import pages (I take it you follow the guidelines and read what you replace before you replace/add on to it) check the page for red links. I just solved several unnecesary ones. Take more time before you leave a page behind. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 16:29, November 27, 2019 (UTC)

I do, I was just in a bit of a rush with the Harold page, so I was going to come back to it in a bit, but thanks for fixing them. JCB2077 (talk) 17:32, November 27, 2019 (UTC)
Can you check the links of the content you import? They're not all good ones like ammo and aid, Stealth Boy. You also leave a red link on occassion. Take more time to see if you leave the article well attended to. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:24, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
Alright. JCB2077 (talk) 20:29, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
You're leaving unnecessary empty lines in the detailed walkthrough section. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:41, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
Unnecessary? My apologies, I thought it was customary to leave an empty line after an asterisk. JCB2077 (talk) 20:46, November 29, 2019 (UTC)

( No, it's not customary. You can check any other random page with asterisks sumup (notable loot for example). Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:50, November 29, 2019 (UTC)

I shall do that once I finish the imports of these quests. JCB2077 (talk) 20:52, November 29, 2019 (UTC)

Follow upEdit

You're still leave imported content behind with too little care. Replace w: with wikipedia: and Fallout timeline with Timeline. Also browse your links in the content you import. We have some different ones here, Far Harbor, Nuka-World, Acadia, Children of Atom, loading screen hints, power armor station etc. (see Far Harbor (location). This is taking me too much unnecesary time to correct. You do check the content you replace right? Don't just copy whole pieces of content from the Vault to here without reading what we have on Nuka. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 15:31, December 2, 2019 (UTC)

ImportingEdit

You're making me a little nervous with your pace of importing. Can you slow down/not make that many edits in a day? Your edits need checking and also contain some errors by not taking enough time I think to see what we already have on our wiki. Always compare, not just blindly replace whole content (clearly). Jspoel Speech Jspoel 15:26, December 6, 2019 (UTC)

Well, I do take time to go through and evaluate the page. While I can be hasty in certain edits, for the most part, most have been useful, substantial, and informative. Of course, not every single one is, but for even minor ones, like changing References/references to { RT }, or fixing a needed citation, a complete replacement or an editorialized import is better than nothing at all. That being said, I have been slowing down and reviewing my edits for red links and improper evaluation, though I don't catch everything. JCB2077 (talk) 15:31, December 6, 2019 (UTC)
Can you check your links? I had to disambig some links to (Fallout), you can also change Fallout timelime to timeline. Behind the scenes goes below the Appearances. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 18:07, December 8, 2019 (UTC)
W: doesnt work with us. Use wikipedia:. Also change Fallout timeline and Timeline. Reverted your yao guai edit, you removed the biology section which is transcluded on sub-game pages. And you left a few red links in the references on that yao guai edit. Check these things. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 15:19, December 13, 2019 (UTC)

T-45d power armorEdit

You just removed <section begin="background"/> and <section begin="Design"/> from the original T-45d power armor page making other subpages missing content. I just told you to better look at what you're doing. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 23:52, December 13, 2019 (UTC)

I did, and it didn't show any red links of any kind. JCB2077 (talk) 23:55, December 13, 2019 (UTC)
I don't know about changing that page. New content looks rather bulky to me. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 23:55, December 13, 2019 (UTC)
You can't see it anymore because I reverted it, but Power armor (Fallout 3) was without background and design. That page takes a large piece of its content from the overview page. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 23:56, December 13, 2019 (UTC)
It might be bulky, but it's informative, and fits the page, as it's meant to be an overview of that specific Power Armor in both gameplay terms (suits and their variants) and lore terms, covering information that would be too long for the other pages covering Power Armor. As for the background and design section, I didn't touch design, I simply removed the Van Buren part from it, as it had already been covered in the background section. I do apologize for removing the part though, and I'll fix it. JCB2077 (talk) 00:02, December 14, 2019 (UTC)

energy weapons in NCR? Edit

Just because one quest involves the PURCHASE of energy weapons does not mean either side actually uses or have used them. for all we know this is the first time either faction has expressed any interest in energy weapons. you cannot say that these factions use energy weapons when nothing except one little quest Involves them. As a side note the Gun Runners, the NCR's main weapon suppliers, do not sell energy weapons ( this is mentioned in-game and none can be bought from vendortron).

The NCR have used energy weapons since Fallout 2, as part of their police and Ranger forces. As for their actual use of weapons, expressing interest in such weapons doesn't mean they've never used them in the decades they've existed. Also, they do sell energy weapons, both as part of Gun Runners Arsenal, and although they don't deal in them at the 188, they do in some capacity, as evidenced by this: The Courier: "Why don't you deal in energy weapons?"
Alexander: "We used to. But every caravan carrying them was getting ambushed and wiped out. By someone sophisticated enough to know which was which. We think it was the Brotherhood of Steel - those crazies always go hard for energy weapons. But the NCR would rather pretend they killed all of them."
(188Alexander.txt)

Energy weapons Edit

I still don't agree with you but so long as nobody adds energy weapons to the inventory infoboxes of NCR and legion soldiers found in-game in FONV (aside from the marked men who aren't actually ncr or legion anyway) I wont argue further.


BoS Religious? I would argue both. Edit

Thanks for your reply, I appreciate the input on the matter.

I had a nice, long think today about what you put on my talk page, and the brief time we discussed on Discord. I would actually argue that the Brotherhood of Steel are both, and I'll explain why.

In order to qualify as religious, the Brotherhood have to be worshiping a superhuman controlling power. Superhuman means having or showing exceptional ability or powers, but it does not have to apply to a person or being. Technology is a superhuman controlling power to the Brotherhood because they believe it is the ultimate, decisive factor in the wasteland and for humanity's future. Whilst created by humans, it exceeds the creative (like the GECK) and the destructive (like the Atom bomb) capabilites of humans alone, making it a superhuman power in its own right, by definition. The Brotherhood believe the fate of humanity and the world rests with who possesses technology, and so they make it their (literal) crusade to acquire and preserve technology from those who would abuse it.

Whilst their use of technology is largely unspiritual, their fervour and zealousness to Roger Maxson's teachings, the Maxson bloodline and their beliefs about the power of technology show that they hold these things as both benevolent and sacrosanct. Not all Brotherhood members (as we have seen) hold true as purists and zealots, showing us that not all Brotherhood members have this religious affinity (or perhaps they choose to venerate some Brotherhood teachings over others, but I'll get to that). We also see examples of hero-worship or veneration for a more recent Maxson for the first time through the reverence of Arthur Maxson in the West (whether this is indeed true or not depends on the honesty of Proctor Quinlan), but it shows that the Brotherhood has religious aspects.

However, the Brotherhood of Steel did not set out to become a religious order to begin with, but rather Roger Maxson simply founded the Brotherhood based on his beliefs about technology, how one should conduct themselves to preserve the future of mankind, and the philsophy that should be adopted. Like many messiahs however, his teachings and beliefs would become the bedrock of the organisation that would come to hold him with deep honour and adulation, for his actions in granting them a purpose and a way of life. Roger Maxson's teachings, much like the teachings of Jesus (who historians believe may have been a real man, but construed by religious text that was written much later after his life), have been interpreted in many different ways and forms, as we can see in the behaviour of differing chapters (in a similar way to different forms of christianity, sometimes drastically opposed to one another).

I believe that whilst most of the Brotherhood have this religious fervour, one can join the Brotherhood, and be a true Brotherhood member, without being religious in their credence of Brotherhood doctrine. In addition, I do believe that even Roger Maxson understood the superhuman controlling power that technology poses, showing that his beliefs and principles would pave the way for the Brotherhood as a techno-religious/quasi-religious faction. Thank you for your time. TechnoCrusader (talk) 01:52, January 17, 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate your message, though I would add onto it utilizing examples from the games, especially the earlier ones, as well as 76. For example, while you are indeed correct about the power of technology, especially Fallout's technology, Fallouts 1 and 76 exemplify the power of technology. While 76 expands much more on Roger's take on the whole situation as it was happening, 1 focuses much more on their religious aspects, especially with bits like Sophia's tape, which sounds like a holy doctrine rather than a recounting of simple events as Captain Maxson's diary was. Of course, the BoS also has its intelligent members, from Vree to Veronica to Quinlan, to balance out the mixes of the overly religious and overly militaristic members.

As for the foundation of the BoS, as I mentioned earlier, 76 sheds a lot of light and expansion onto what F1 set up, establishing a legitimate character for Roger, motivations, a goal, an ideology in the making. Unfortunately, that ideology soon turned out to be much more than it was cracked up to be, with even his son, Roger II, turning on him and agreeing that the best way to handle things being to shut out the outside world. It was also these perversions of his original intents that lead to the BoS seen under John in F1, and the eventual Mojave Chapter, xenophobic isolationists who would rather slap a bomb collar onto your neck, or send you on a suicide mission, never expecting you to come back otherwise.

To expand on that, I refer to the final paragraph, in which you are once again correct that one can join the BoS without a religious reverence of technology, especially in the later chapters of the rogue Lyons, and the reunited Eastern Division under Arthur. In conclusion, I agree with most of what you said, and have added my own thoughts to it in my own manner, and thank you for the thought-provoking points. JCB2077 (talk) 03:48, January 17, 2020 (UTC)

Removing edits Edit

Hey stop undoing my edits without at least giving explanations! and when was the courier ever in charge of the the divide prior to Ulysses? and martin retslaf was in charge of hopeville, PRIOR to the great war. not the entire, contemporary divide

Ulysses mentions it himself, that the Courier essentially built up the community that came to be known as the Divide through their travels and trades. They're about as much of a leader as most people are. Including the reference to the book and film The Postman, in which a simple mailman becomes the leader and hero of various communities through a mere trade he has, of being a postman. And while Martin was in charge of Hopeville, which the page mentions, the Divide is essentially both Ashton and Hopeville, hence his leadership status. JCB2077 (talk) 00:55, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

how is the courier a leader prior to blowing it up? makes no sense. and you removed my edits on operation sunbursts. I made those edits because there is too much unnecessary text there. those boxes aren't meant for entire texts of ambiguous NPC dialogue(which also do not provide any definite statistics and numbers)

other people have been telling you this as well stop making info boxes so bulky

It is ambiguous, yes, but it's also a direct source and estimate on the information that couldn't be discerned from any other source that isn't either an ego boost or a fallacy. As for "unnecessary text" it's informative and relates to the article in a sense that bolsters it, and doesn't detract from the actual information. JCB2077 (talk) 00:55, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

How can you use in-game measures as justifiable evidence? for all we know there could have been far less gunners and has only been reinforced just before you arrive? you cant use in game numbers to justify something lore based. for example the battle of hover dam involved over 100 ncr troopers plus what ever the legion had. the game would crash if there was that many npcs in one place.

You can if there's nothing to contradict said basis. Especially when in-game numbers are all one can go on sometimes. Also, the games can handle 100+ NPC's, even if it lags a bit when rendering it all. Same with the Quincy Massacre, you can refer to the number of corpses, number of present NPC's, as well as what's said on terminal entries. JCB2077 (talk) 01:30, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

no you cant put use in-game numbers when there is nothing else where are you even coming up with this?

Hey guys, I'll put my two pennies into this little debate here. The Courier very much built up the community in a similar way to The Postman, and is directly stated by Ulysses to have been the sole person responsible for the settlement's prosperity. Whilst the Courier was not commanding the settlement, he was leading the settlement to prosperity that may have even resulted in national status. It's quite simple, the Courier is the only one referenced to have been any kind of remote leader, and so that's what we have to go on. JCB2077 is not wrong. Are you going to argue against the game's lore?

As for the Operation: Sunburst situation, there are plenty of examples of this wiki using in-game numbers where there is no lore alternative to describe a situation or put a situation into context. Your example concerning the soldiers at Hoover Damn is not relevant to the discussion, as that's like comparing an apple to an orange. In-game numbers are used all the time where no other option can be taken.

I know that JCB2077 removed your edit, but removing his edit constitutes provoking an Edit war on the User Conduct page. From one user to another, it may be time to read it: https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_Wiki:User_conduct_guideline

Also, talk pages require you sign off with four tildes (~ x4). TechnoCrusader (talk) 19:15, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

the divide Edit

not going to accept your vague and subjective edits revolving around the divide page, sorry.

It's not subjective or vague, the page makes it extensively clear how much influence the Courier had on the formation and expansion of the old Divide, removing them as a leader might as well make that entire section pointless. JCB2077 (talk) 14:20, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

yest the courier had a lot of influence THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM THE LEADER OF THE DIVIDE. he travels to lots of places is he the leader of the hub? or New Canaan? because his dialogue indicates he travels around a lot. how can he lead(rule/command/run) a settlement while he is travelling?

He works for the Mojave Express, which is headquartered in The Hub, so technically he is lead by people in The Hub. The problem here is that he travels a lot, but he always returned to The Divide. For no real reason other than it being a "home" to them. Building it up to the point that both the NCR and Legion want to take it over makes it quite a valuable target that wouldn't exist if not for the countless journeys undertaken by the Courier, noted by Ulysses to be hell, from storms, countless seasons, and so on. So yes, the Courier was essentially the leader or even founder of the old Divide. JCB2077 (talk) 14:33, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

ImportingEdit

Can you leave something more than "Importing from the Vault" when you import? It doesn't leave a good impression copy pasting entire pages from there with just that summary comment. You need to show you've at least read our content as well. (I do some importing from TV as well with the same comment, however, they are all new pages). Jspoel Speech Jspoel 16:41, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

I would, but, having read much of Nukapedia's content over the years, and in comparison to The Vaults, I find that importing most pages in a supposed "copy/paste" format, but still in accordance with the merging guidelines per policy, is much easier and leads to less hassle most of the time. Of course, not all the time, but most. As for TV content, as me and Ant have found, being the only two relatively active and only TV importers (With Dave and Tagaziel included when they're around), it's hard to import when every other import of content is reverted with the only explaination being given is "Nukapedia content has its merits, if you post over even one sentence your edit is reverted", it gives a bad impression unto itself. It would be greatly appreciated if Nukapedia staff and editors could actively import it at the rate other imports have been made, but for the past 6 months since the beginning of the merge, it seems that has not been on the case, as focuses are more on popularity contests in the discussions chat and arguing in the Discord or over trivial details like if the Courier did or did not establish and hence lead the Divide community. Forgive the rant, but those are simply my observations from these past few months of the merger, and that, as simplistic as "Importing from TV" is, it's the only real way to convey what it is without mucking up 50 people's "oh-so-precious" edits. Again, those who have issues with how Ant and I do things have points, but without proper support or substantial improvements to either wiki, the process that has whelmed the merger for the last half-year may continue for quite a bit longer. JCB2077 (talk) 16:51, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

Don't know why you're ranting you seem to be getting your way even without much respect for nukapedias content and yeah, my argument was trivial, but the fact is you're changing content that was fine until you pushed vault content onto it without compromise. Branebriar

As JP said, Vault content is better researched and taken directly from the games, it's you who cannot compromise on it. That being said, I would appreciate it if you left my page, as it seems you have nothing nice left to say. JCB2077 (talk) 00:20, January 22, 2020 (UTC)

Warning: Counter-Productive Edit Warring is BadEdit

Hey guys, we've noticed that you have been clashing with another user regarding the content of Quincy Massacre and other pages. Your actions constitute a textbook example of edit warring. In the spirit of fostering a healthy environment, we are issuing you the following:

  1. 1 (one) official warning regarding your behavior. Come on, you both know better.
  2. 1 (one) official recommendation to seek productive ways of resolving editing conflicts, eg. using the article's talk page to explain your issue with the article as it stands and seeking a way to improve the article through rewriting, citing, or otherwise enhancing it.

Reverting changes, even with the most detailed summary, is considered passive-aggressive at the best of times. Seek consensus using the tools we already have at our disposal.

Thank you for your understanding. Now, back to editing!

In nomine Administrati,

Tagaziel 15:31, January 24, 2020 (UTC)

wes at quincy? Edit

how do you know wes was at the quincy massacre> Branebriar1930 (talk) 16:10, January 24, 2020 (UTC)

Water chipEdit

You really should take some time and look at preserving some of our content as well. I wasn't pleased to see some water chip quest background go. It adds some good info to the page and gives it flavor. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 19:10, January 26, 2020 (UTC)

It doesn't really do either of those, the point of the background is to talk about the chip itself, what it does, and why it does what it does. If it had been shifted over to, say "Use in games" or "Usage in Fallout 1/2", then it would have fit better. Otherwise the points still would have been conveyed by the background itself, since other pages sum up the Vault Dweller's quest, as well as the Chosen One's encounter with the devices. JCB2077 (talk) 19:17, January 26, 2020 (UTC)

Fo2 restoration mod Edit

I'm pretty sure that Epac9.msg and a good amount of information from the FO2 restoration mod isn't restored content. Is there a way to verify what is what?--Ant2242 (talk) 02:02, January 27, 2020 (UTC)

talk page Edit

When you respond to messages from others you should really leave the response on their talk page, not yours.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 23:18, January 28, 2020 (UTC)

enclave Edit

why did you change my edit without explanation again?--Branebriar1930 (talk) 15:06, February 3, 2020 (UTC)

Because the Enclave are, in fact, best classified as an autocratic democracy, and not a military junta, the two are wildly different definitions. JCB2077 (talk) 15:17, February 3, 2020 (UTC)

autocratic democracy is an oxymoron, its like saying democratic dictatorship at least change the term so that it makes more sense.

Again, both are wildly different definitions, Military Junta is an oxymoron for the Enclave in of itself, so classification as an Autocratic Democracy is far better, and supported by evidence in the games recorded on the page, whereas Military Junta has nothing supporting it. JCB2077 (talk) 15:37, February 3, 2020 (UTC)

PS please stop responding to my messages on your talk page rather leave them on mine--Branebriar1930 (talk) 15:24, February 3, 2020 why do you leave messages to other people on your own page? it just means that it takes longer for them to respond.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 15:44, February 3, 2020 (UTC)

It really doesn't, and trying to order around another user is just as bad as edit warring, so I suggest you cease berating me about my methods of communication. JCB2077 (talk) 15:46, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
I'm just saying that we don't get notified when you send message on your own page, if i want to see a message that you left for me i have to go lock for an edit you made and then check your talk page. I'm not trying to order you around, its got nothing to do with edit warring-- (talk) 15:57, February 3, 2020 (UTC)

alien nullifier Edit

needs a reference then--Branebriar1930 (talk) 15:20, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

It has a reference, it's on the page. JCB2077 (talk) 15:36, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

bos/ncr war Edit

ok fine but then it is somewhat misleading to call it an NCR victory if the war is still ongoing.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 22:18, February 7, 2020 (UTC) as for the canon you're right that bethesda has the final say but i really wouldn't take fallout lore seriously if the BFG from Doom or Morgan's suit from Prey was ever considered canon to the FO4--Branebriar1930 (talk) 19:41, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

Editing styleEdit

I read and appreciate your comments regarding the editing style I use. Even feedback that is negative is important to me, so I can improve and in turn, improve the work I am doing on the location entries. I want to assure you that I spend a great deal of time thinking about the best way to convey information, writing and re-writing, researching, and working diligently to strike a balance between was is required and what can be trimmed for clarity. I do truly care about the integrity of my work and the impact it has on the improvement of the collective information. That being said, I can and will admit that I err on the side of removal, which upon reading your comments, is something I realize I need to change. Sometimes I struggle with what information coming from "the real world" is necessary to include for "in-game", especially in cases where I can not find evidence to suggest they were one and the same. Please accept my apologies. You will see my work in the future reflect a more restrained approach, and I appreciate you calling my attention to the need for me to do so. - Kdarrow (talk) 23:06, February 11, 2020 (UTC)

Strategy Edit

A researched strategy is still a strategy, which is against the rules. 172.58.207.57 23:40, February 13, 2020 (UTC)

city Edit

please do not undo my edits without explanation. as i said there is too much ambiguity on what constitutes a city and therefore i removed all the locations that serve more as faction HQs rather than areas for everyday people to live

Seriously the gray? the thorn? those are sections of north vegas and westside respectively, tribal village?- no people or quest, sierra madre? - no people either. and new vegas is made up of north vegas square, freeside, westside and the strip so its a mistake to say New Vegas AND one of its 'sub-settlements'. if you're not going to discuss this with me then please leave the page alone because i'm not going to edit war with you--Branebriar1930 (talk) 19:41, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

Transcript referenceEdit

Thanks for helping out with the Shark Club reference. I wasn't completely confident on how to format dialogue transcripts, so that was helpful for me. -Kdarrow (talk) 19:39, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. JCB2077 (talk) 19:40, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

Edit-Warring Edit

After some review on the City article, it's been decided that you, along with Brane and Gas, were participating in an edit-war that resulted in the article being temporarily protected from further editing. The fact that it got to that point is pretty concerning, and it needs to be addressed.

I'm sorry to have to do this, but you were given an edit-war warning within the past 30 days, and as such, you'll be receiving a 3-day site-block. In the future, if you have an issue with what another editor is doing, then you need to take your issues to the article's respective talk-page. If that doesn't work, then a mediator needs to be brought in to help determine where to go from there.

Since you are on the Discord, this ban will also be extending to the chat, but you are always free to dm me or message me here on the wiki if you have any questions. Once your 3-days are up, I'll be looking forward to seeing you around the wiki again. 寧靜 Fox 20:30, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

Personal terminal entriesEdit

Where did you find this terminal entry? I can't find it in xEdit. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 14:10, February 29, 2020 (UTC)

WA terminals xEdit
Found the personal terminal, at least its listing in xEdit. Doesn't have a location reference there. Is it a terminal you can build? Also, can you help me out with these other terminals in the screenshot? Some are to do with Lying Lowe so I would say Wild Appalachia content. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 14:22, February 29, 2020 (UTC)
I think I figured it out. Terminal entries come from My personal terminal. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 17:49, February 29, 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I sent you a ping over Discord about it, though I swear I linked to that page in the original revision, good that it's being made now though. JCB2077 (talk) 18:18, February 29, 2020 (UTC)

lamplight--Branebriar1930 (talk) 14:40, March 4, 2020 (UTC) Edit

how is it unnecessary? its a valid point

It's a point that's about as necessary as questioning any other decision made in the games that aren't explained in-game, or requiring out-of-game context or insight into. Such as why the NCR use bottlecaps rather than their NCR gold coinage, or why people settled into the ruins of Barstow to turn into The Hub, or why Wanamingoes exist. Simply put, an unnecessary note of no noteworthy insight or validation. JCB2077 (talk) 14:45, March 4, 2020 (UTC)

NCR uses caps instead of ncr money because caps are more universally accepted (and trusted), people settled in the hub because it was relatively untouched by the war and wanimingos exist because they were created as bio-weapons. are you really going those types of comparisons when all i asked was a very(immediately apparent) question? --Branebriar1930 (talk) 15:18, March 4, 2020 (UTC)

If we want to take the games as more canonical than out-of-game sources, which you cited when removing crucial information for Hoff, the NCR uses caps just because, by the time of New Vegas. No explanation is ever given to why the Hub was settled, just that it was, and Wanamingoes have absolutely no explanation. I ask these sorts of questions because they apply just as much as the question in particular applies to Little Lamplight. If we wanted to go into semantics, we could also argue that, due to it never being brought up in the game, it's A. Not a problem, or B. Not worthy of note whatsoever. So no, it was not apparent, not noteworthy, nor is it worth the time or effort to register on its page. JCB2077 (talk) 15:22, March 4, 2020 (UTC)

Did you actually check the hub and wanimingo pages? they tell exactly why they were settled/created? And you really should be more careful about out of game sources for example the guide said that susie mack has a crush on freddie gomez while in the game its on butch--Branebriar1930 (talk) 15:33, March 4, 2020 (UTC)

"nor is it worth the time or effort to register on its page"....wow--Branebriar1930 (talk) 15:38, March 4, 2020 (UTC)

I'm aware of their pages, both their Vault and Nukapedia iterations, but we're talking about them as they appear and are described as in-game, with no other sources or examples. And when you look at their sources, should they have any, you note that the information comes from either the Fallout game guides, or the Fallout Bible. And yes, not everything is perfect in the guides, but just because one line out of a book or manual containing hundreds, if not thousands, of lines of information and lore, is wrong, it doesn't invalidate the entirety of the book. Even then, the guide still isn't wrong because of it, she just happens to have a crush on multiple boys, or admire them, as most teenage girls are known to do in that stage of life. Regardless, my point is, without taking the out-of-game sources as canon, even if supplementary, you lose out on a lot of information. That's regarding Hoff. And I've already made my point on Little Lamplight, so it's pointless discussing it further, since there's nothing more to be discussed that hasn't been brought up already. JCB2077 (talk) 15:41, March 4, 2020 (UTC)


I know but not everything has the same level of canonicity. Games are primary sources of cannon while guides and the bible are secondary and if something in the secondary sources contradicts something in the games (primary) such as the Susie mack thing, (and in my opinion Hoff's personality) then its wrong.

The problem there is that Susie isn't contradicted, as nothing there contradicts it. And if you're basing a change off an opinion rather than objective fact, then there should be further discussion before making an unfounded change. Just because you believe something may contradict doesn't mean it actually does. JCB2077 (talk) 16:09, March 4, 2020 (UTC)

susie Edit

Game guide says that susie has the hots for freddie, in-game quotes say that finds butch dreamy and wishes she could share a bunk with him. her page even says that she likes butch (after i noticed the contradiction) how are you honestly trying to say that there is no contradiction? you have absolutely zero argument and it seems that you only see what you want to see.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 16:14, March 4, 2020 (UTC)

Again, she's a teenage girl, who lives in a confined space with little choice in men. She's going to find plenty of boys her age attractive. And there is no contradiction. If she said something along the lines of "Man, Butch is super hot, way better than that Freddie geek", then there would be a contradiction. But since she doesn't, and the interaction only says that she finds him hot, there is no contradiction. JCB2077 (talk) 16:18, March 4, 2020 (UTC)

Then why don't you change the page to say suzie like freddie and she likes butch?

Because we've been arguing about it, and will most likely continue to argue until a resolution can be found. JCB2077 (talk) 16:26, March 4, 2020 (UTC)

I doubt that, i think the real reason you won't change it is because lots of people (including admins) have gone over that page and agree that it makes sense the way it is now because its info that can actually be found in the game. You don't seem to be able to emphasize with somebody who is actually playing the game. If some random person read hoff's wiki page about his cynicism and then decided to play the game and found him (where he is not cynical at all) they will think "hey this is not how his personality is described on the wiki?" same goes for the susie thing.

Uh... what? A. While I doubt you can read my mind or make an accurate prediction of my mental thought process to come to that conclusion, a lot of people can go over a page and leave crucial information unmarked while marking unnecessary or pointless information. It's happened on every wiki I've seen or partaken in editing. Even now, nobody is reverting our edits or questioning them, it only becomes a problem once a revert war or something that is against policy happens. And what can be found in the game doesn't reflect the lore of something. It's the infamous gameplay =/= lore situation. And B. Empathy has nothing to do with it, even reading over his dialogue and interacting with him in the game doesn't contradict what the game guide says. Besides, that hypothetical situation most likely will never arise, as few things that are openly contradicted or questioned in wiki or game discussion forums are brought up by the general public unless they are hyped up by those on Youtube or have significant followings. Such as the notion of Pre-War Jet, a notion brought on by Myron as far back as Fallout 2, but something Bethesda was criticized for when doing a similar situation in Fallout 4. Or the Wanamingo situation, in which an explanation was given in the Fallout Bible, but most widely known sources simply cite it as an unknown creature with no explanation or origin. JCB2077 (talk) 16:57, March 4, 2020 (UTC)


alright alright enough of this! you and i are just finding arguments off of other arguments (little lamplight to whether i'm a mind reader) its actually ridiculous at this point and the only reason both of us aren't banded is because we aren't changing content back and forth. i don't agree with you about the hoff thing and and checking with admins to see if it can be changed a bit to better reflect his in-game personality. As for the lamplight thing ill leave it.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 17:09, March 4, 2020 (UTC)

flags Edit

None of the other conflicts in the game put the flag next to forces, only leaders and factions. Besides they are in vertical columns one shouldn't have a problem identifying which force belongs to which party, especially when most have the name of their faction in their own title (BOS - BOS soldiers).--Branebriar1930 (talk) 12:58, April 26, 2020 (UTC)

Tinker TomEdit

Carrington’s prototype and further has no relevance to the description of the Deliverer. It does not belong in that citation. Great Mara (talk) 14:55, March 30, 2020 (UTC)

GripsEdit

Pearl grips are not cream-colored. Pearl grips and synthetic pearl grips are characterized by a high varnish and streaking throughout the grips. Ivory grips and synthetic ivory grips are solid colored and white/ceam colored with a dull or matte appearance. Stating the gun has pearl grips is factually incorrect. Great Mara (talk) 01:36, May 4, 2020 (UTC)

Looking at pearl and ivory grip comparisons, it's pretty clear that the Fancy Revolver grip is in fact, pearl. It's also important to note that, A. While it cannot be definitively proven that it is 100% pearl, the text clarifies that it is pearl-like, not 100% pearl. And B. Ivory grip is a modification for the normal SAR in 76, and does not resemble the Fancy grip in any manner. JCB2077 (talk) 01:42, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
It is [stark white] with no 'marbling' distortion. It is stark white. So, no, it is not "pretty clear" it's a pearl grip. And while the SAR does have it's own separate ivory grip, that doesn't mean the grips for the FSAR aren't ivory material themself. Great Mara (talk) 01:49, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
Looking at an actual pearl grip, [as seen here], the material resembles pretty closely to that in-game. As for the in-game grip, if it were ivory, the texture files would say as such. And yet when looked at, it simply names it "fancy", no ivory, no additional suffixes, nothing. Meanwhile the Ivory texture almost right below it is distinctly named and titled as such. JCB2077 (talk) 02:05, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
There is clearly marbling and iridescence in the nacre of the grips in the image you grabbed. Again, the grips on the FSAR are a solid color. And they would not necessarily say as such if it was meant to be a unique grip, nor are similar parts always identified as such in the GECK. Are you really trying to turn this into another battle rifle argument? Great Mara (talk) 02:08, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
Being a solid color is a firm indication of material, especially in comparison to the 76 ivory type. In that same regard, while the files are not always identified exactly, visual identification pretty clearly lends itself to the support of it being pearl rather than ivory. I also would like to note that there is a large consensus towards the pearl side on the Discord, if that answers your battle rifle claim.JCB2077 (talk) 02:18, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
A firm indication towards ivory... MoP nacre would not be solid or even-toned under any means. And define "large consensus," because I'm going to need to see more than you and Faat. BTW, remind him that they do make white ivory grips, for his information. Great Mara (talk) 02:22, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
A firm indication towards Pearl, more like, given the notable examples and comparisons of such grips. As for Mother of Pearl, there are far more kinds than simply that, which can be solid or even-toned. Especially when examining the actual texture file of the Pearl Grip. As for a large consensus, Zealous, Dyre, Kate (KDarrow), and Camelchip all agree with myself and Laat.JCB2077 (talk) 02:26, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
Alright then I guess the misinformation stays, but fyi pearl grips are MoP. And MoP is characterized by the high sheen and iridescence, so it would not be one solid color. Great Mara (talk) 02:31, May 4, 2020 (UTC)

Power Armor images Edit

Hi! Thank you, glad to help! I'm aware of this problem. You see, the images that I upload, I get from the screenshots directly from the game. Given that I'm taking screenshots outside, all I can do is change the weather or the position of the sun using console commands. Unfortunately, this does not solve the problem, as well as disabling cubmaps. Turning off lighting completely eliminates glare, but image quality is significantly reduced in my opinion. Here is example: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1muXica4-0aZp5_IYKw1wwS5yXdUVUhp7/view

Perhaps the only way to make images better is to get them from some kind of 3D viewer, such as a NifSkope. This is probably the way this image was obtained.

Fo4 Power Armor T60

I could do it if I knew how. I tried to use a nifscope, but I did not understand how to get all the armor in it, but not in parts (or how to arrange the parts correctly).

But, I still think that even with glares, these images are quite better than those that are now on the wiki. Or am I wrong?

Maybe I’ll come up with something. If you have any ideas, I'll be glad to hear them.--SonikSeven (talk) 19:28, May 5, 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I have an account in Discord. Let's get in touch there as soon as I finish the current images I'm working on. I plan to finish with Fallout 4 power armor in the coming days and perhaps I'll even find a way to solve the glares problem without having to redo everything from scratch. However, I would really appreciate it if you could help me understand how to create similar images in Nifskop. Perhaps I could apply this knowledge to create images of the Fallout 76 power armor. Thank you for your participation.--SonikSeven (talk) 17:46, May 6, 2020 (UTC)

Gun thingsEdit

Hello my friend. There is an editor that asked me a question about ... gun ... things. I suggested they ask you as a much, much more knowledgable resource. It is on my talk page. Thank you for your assistance in any case! -Kate (Kdarrow (talk) 15:51, May 12, 2020 (UTC))

Amnesia Edit

Please use the talk page to discuss the relevance of the note that the Courier does not have amnesia. Edit summaries are not the right place to have that discussion. I have locked the page for three days.
- FDekker (talk) 13:23, May 21, 2020 (UTC)

not a rank Edit

'Caesar' is not a rank, it is a title, like king or queen. just like 'overboss' and 'high confessor' are not ranks. why do you just ignore my comments and restore your edits?--Branebriar1930 (talk) 18:47, June 3, 2020 (UTC)

"Caesar" is in fact a rank. In Latin, it translates to "absolute dictator", and historically acts as both a title and rank. However, titles like Overboss and High Confessor are ranks, as they serve to act as indications of both title and rank within an organized group. Just as Elder and Paladin do in the BoS, or Colonel and Sergeant do in the NCR Army or Enclave. JCB2077 (talk) 20:11, June 3, 2020 (UTC)

edit summery Edit

You know it would be nice if you would leave an edit summery when you undo my edits.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 18:10, June 9, 2020 (UTC)

Edit summaries are usually unhelpful to those who edit, as well as those who patrol and have administrative rights on the server. As such, before undoing my edits, I would suggest that such issues you may or may not have with certain individual pages be put up on their respective talk pages before making potentially counterproductive edits. JCB2077 (talk) 18:14, June 9, 2020 (UTC)

you don't get to decide what is and what isn't unhelpful. All i know is that i am less likely to get into an debate with someone if they at least tell me why they changed my edit.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 18:24, June 9, 2020 (UTC)

rank comparisons Edit

Why did you restore those edits without any reason? I took them down because they were arbitrary comparisons and mentioned as such, you should at least have the common courtesy to do the same. You claimed that edit summaries were unhelpful? how? they are there for the that very reason.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 09:16, June 28, 2020 (UTC)

Excitement!Edit

Thank you for being probably the biggest sweetheart ever on my admin application. I will try not to break anything :) -Kate (Kdarrow (talk) 09:43, July 20, 2020 (UTC))

what is it this time Edit

why did you restore those edits (sighhhh again without explanation) this time?. never seen or heard mention of veteran paladin. as for high scribe the only mention is saw of them was a dev who appeared to be unaware of the senior scribe rank.

really getting sick and tired of messaging you each time you undo changes, and i am not the only one.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 12:51, July 28, 2020 (UTC)

nevermind, tag corroborated that veteran paladin is not a real rank.--Branebriar1930 (talk) 16:31, July 28, 2020 (UTC)

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