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PIP-boy images

I think I may have tagged just a few of those, I'll browse through the unused files category once more. Jspoelstra 21:19, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the help with those user page images, Avatar (I didn't quite figure it out with those redirects, so I left them to you) and older Fallout characters. Shall we drink one on it when the unused image category is cleared? (that would probably be so for the first time since the foundation of this wiki). Jspoelstra 21:13, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

  • You're fast with the DLC. Did buy or download it? Just a bit curious.

A strong, sexually explorational, independent woman

Not only have I read the interaction section of the Red Lucy page, I've just finished playing that portion of the game. I realize that simply undoing my edit is far easier than improving the article, but it would still be nice to see an actual reference to in-game support for these questionable assertions. 06:08, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

You asked on my talk page how I would describe Red Lucy's character? I'd say it's fairly ambiguous, although she herself refutes any claims that she's "independent," saying "In the end, stranger, we need [both New Vegas and the Wasteland] to continue making our fate." Beyond that she clearly depends on The Thorn and everyone involved with it (including the Courier) to reinforce her own worldview and sense of identity. "Strong" personalities don't require such large and bloody anchors. 07:04, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Your argument has shifted from "Strength not in the physical sense" to comparing her to the weakest Deathclaw Alpha? What's next, saying she's almost as horny as a Young Deathclaw?

There are plenty of things in the voicover notes that don't carry over into the actual performances. Even if we accept those notes, I would argue that true strength is the absence of weakness, and Lucy only attempted to mask her weakness -- and failed. To me, it came across as her trying to be subtly manipulative at the end just to maintain some measure of power over someone who obviously wasn't going to be overcome by force. At that point, she knew better than to try forcing the Courier to her bed at Dinner-Bell-point with an explosive collar around his genitals. Maybe if she'd done that I could understand describing her as "sexually explorational." Unfortunately, the most that can be said with certainty is that she's bisexual, anything more is just fantasizing.

"If you cant tell me what she is, how can you tell me what she isnt?" is practically saying that, in the absence of a clearly defined subject, things are whatever we want them to be. If that's the guiding principle here at the wiki, there's no point in my trying to do anything about it. I love strong, sexually explorational, independent women as much as the next guy, so I apologize for interfering with the fantasy. 23:54, February 24, 2011 (UTC)


Thanks, we'll see what happens. I have a good chance, I'd say, being encouraged by the bureaucrats. You would have it too, but I understand your hesitation all too well. It's not all joy and happiness being an admin, you have to chase those annoying anonymous users, vandalizing the pages, also. I'd rather focus on my own work instead of being a bit of a schoolteacher, correcting others. But there are also some benefits. I try to look at it positive. Greets, Jspoelstra 21:33, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Admins aren't really "forced" to do anything. Most do a mix of what they like doing or what they feel needs doing (some help with maintenance, some patrol RC etc) but nobody has to do anything. The occasions where admins are asked to help out with some stuff are few and far in between, and even then it's voluntary.
I don't know where you guys are getting the impression that admins have to do certain things - just look at me, it's not like I spend a lot of time with patrolling RC and still nobody's complaining ;) -- Porter21 (talk) 14:02, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
Does this make you cross the line? We'll see. By the way, did you know they're using our pics at the german wiki? Some kid 'stole' my npc images, but I'm quite allright with it. I wrote him a message in my best german. Also made him aware of your weapon images. So don't be surprised if they also end up there :) Greets, Jspoelstra 20:15, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
Well, in my experience it depends more on how you approach the users than on your "status". Sure, you get the occasional "rage against all authorities" type of user, but mostly users/anons reply in the same tone as used by yourself. Plus, there's also the obvious advantages of being an admin (being able to edit protected pages etc) to balance that out :) -- Porter21 (talk) 23:11, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

South Vegas Ruins

Why are the South Vegas Ruins not considered a part of New Vegas? --Flower of Pock-Lips 01:46, February 25, 2011 (UTC)


What's the justification for this revert? The page was edited to bring it in line with VA:LAYI. Even putting that aside, I fail to see how the post-revert version is superior to the pre-revert version. --Flower of Pock-Lips 02:53, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

If that's the case, then the current article should by rights be a quick background section with a list of redlinks, in the same way as Bottle cap. The only real differences currently are in the formatting and the wording of the few of the notes and bugs. --Flower of Pock-Lips 10:04, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
The articles have been separated into individual snowglobes - ading there baseids, locations and images back to the page makes having individual pages redundant. This wouldn't be a problem but "the pages need to be separated" was the reasoning behind this edit. --Flower of Pock-Lips 13:16, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Chart JS

Interesting find :) As far as I can see from the code, it shouldn't work with the Wikia skin though - if you want to try it out, you'll have to insert the script in Special:MyPage/monobook.js and use Monobook. Let me know whether you find it useful (I haven't ever tested it myself) - if it is, I could make it work with the Wikia skin and add it as a gadget. -- Porter21 (talk) 13:54, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

After a quick look, I think it works as follows: When editing a page, there should be a new tab at the top (where the "edit", "move" etc tabs are), which, when clicked, converts ASCII art in the edit box to {{Chart}} syntax (or vice versa). -- Porter21 (talk) 23:11, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
Ah, ok. I was too lazy to look up where the addPortletLink function would insert stuff :P -- Porter21 (talk) 23:36, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
Alright, I'll take a stab at making it work with the FaceWikiShack skin. Shouldn't be too hard (hopefully). -- Porter21 (talk) 09:22, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
I think I have it working with both skins. I've made it available as a gadget; please let me know if there are any issues. -- Porter21 (talk) 11:52, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Reply: Mass Vandals

This is far from an isolated incident Ghost, I'm not sure if you’re aware of that. If it was, I would just have reverted the vandalism, looked up who it was, fixed any of their other vandalism, and went on my merry way. But the fact is there’s been a lot of vandalism in the past week, including repeat vandalism, sometimes mere minutes after the previous vandalism was fixed.

And if you wondering why I messaged Ausir instead of contacting one of you guys the simple fact is on any given wiki among admins I don't know who's in charge of what, who has been active in last few hours and who hasn't not, so its just easy just to leave a message on the top banana's (Ausir) talk page and let him inform the other bananas (you guys) what should be done, if that makes any sense.

Regardless this vandalism is spiraling out of control; mark my words Ghost, because it’s only going to get worse if nothing is done to stem the tide.



Mormon edit

The way I see it, we include a section on the beliefs of every faction in the game. It seems pointless to write a section in my own words on the beliefs on Mormons when there is a perfectly workable explanation on Wikipedia. As for the history, again we include a complete section on the history of every faction in the game, I don't see why this should be any different just because the organization also happened to exist in the pre-divergence world (which makes it almost unique in this regard, so it's not like there's a precedent for this sort of thing). All the information is pre-divergence and is a greatly abridged version so as not to be obstructive to the universe-unique information, and otherwise the article could give the impression that the organization suddenly sprang into existence in 2062. --Flower of Pock-Lips 23:04, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


Could you link me to a couple of those pages so I can check why the bot missed them? -- Porter21 (talk) 07:41, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Think I've found the reason - I accidentally included a space in my regex, so the bot missed instances where "class" did not have a space in front of it (e.g. if the text was {|class="fallout-table"). It's now doing another run which should correct those instances. -- Porter21 (talk) 08:29, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

The IRC channel

Do you have a log of the IRC channel incident you mentioned in the forum by any chance? Ausir(talk) 21:22, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

You're very much welcome during tomorrow's official Vault conference chat there. Ausir(talk)

Jimmy's well

Hey Avatar, I just saw you change Jimmy's well and remembered something. Can you actually find this location? I couldn't find it under the overpass and have the WW perk. If you can, let me know, ok? Jspoelstra 00:29, March 1, 2011 (UTC) Ah yes, Rex as a companion, that was my problem. Thx.

Mojave Wasteland

Re: this edit, you "Exit to the Mojave Wasteland" everytime you leave a building, I don't think the UI text is sufficient enough evidence in that regard. The thinking behind adding that to the infobox was that the Sierra Madre Casino and Zion National Park both have Mojave Landmark Limited Edition Snowglobes, and that Chris Avellone's Twitter location considers the Big Empty to be part of the Mojave. --Flower of Pock-Lips 23:32, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Also, what's with italicising all the inline quotations in articles? I don't think it's considered standard practice in English to do that. Also, sometimes things between quote marks might have meanings other than quotations. --Flower of Pock-Lips 23:34, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

It's clear, to me at least, that the reference to the Big MT in Mojave in Chris Avellone's Twitter location is meant to place the Big Empty within the Mojave Wasteland (besides, the Mojave Wasteland seems to encompass rougly the same area as the Mojave Desert, which Zion National Park just about comes in). The snowglobes are not needed for the Globe Trotter achievement because they were introduced after the achievement was first put out there with the release of the game, and actually the game does directly state that these are Mojave Landmark Snowglobes - see here.
As for the italics, I'm not sure why those words need emphasis tbh, they are scare quotes. --Flower of Pock-Lips 01:04, March 2, 2011 (UTC)
As I said, the Mojave Wasteland seems to correspond roughly with the Mojave Desert (which itself is not clearly defined). I doubt the game developers would name several landmarks to be within the boundaries of the pre-War Mojave Desert (via the snowglobes) and then shuffle those boundaries around, I see no motivation to do so and it would only serve to confuse the player. And I don't see how there are any contradictory sources involved. The UI text in using the gate out of the Sierra Madre is a different matter, because (a) the snowglobes were marketed as "Limited Edition Mojave Landmark Snow Globes", and that is the wording used for them in-universe, whereas the UI text is (obviously) not in-universe, and (b) the UI wording is unclear - it could say "Travel to Mojave Wasteland" because unlike, say, leaving a cave, you are not exiting directly but travelling to the abandoned BoS bunker. Having checked on YouTube, I can also say that the gate is marked as "Gate to Mojave Wasteland", which could be interpreted to mean exactly the opposite. This is what I meant by the UI not being sufficient evidence, especially in the face of an in-universe source like the snowglobes.
And not to drag it out, but I think you are missing the point of the italics somewhat. The italics used in the scare quotes article were used because the article was referring to the term "scare quotes" rather than scare quotes in their proper semantic context - it has nothing to do with emphasis. I don't think we should use italics for inline quotations, there is no precedent for it (although obviously you are welcome to suggest it as a guideline on the forum), and I don't like the logic that we should use italics for inline quotations because we use them for {{quotation}} - we also indent quotes with that, should, therefore, all quotes be indented? --Flower of Pock-Lips 02:19, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Bakersfield image

Ooh, shiny :P I'm truly dumbfounded as to how you made made the image with such a plastic-y quality. But personally, I prefer the original pixelation of the old Fallouts my self.

Here and here are the two images I think I'm going to settle with using, and hopefully Flower will like my proposed idea of having two images for multi-purposes. :P -- Ghouly89 (Talk) 03:53, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

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