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RE:Guns

Yeah, that one began to escalate in odd ways. I did not see the same call to violence that the last user was banned for, just more or less someone whose extreme political views had them agreeing with things other idiots had already done. Was definitely getting close to the ballpark of being worse for that user, though. Was also getting some Navy Seal copy pasta vibes from some of his comments, but as long as it was only fringe political beliefs and a healthy splash of sounding ignorant, it's the far right version of the spectrum. We have several users who have been openly communist, seemingly in an unironic and not just for the lols kinda way, so it takes all kinds. I'll watch out for him on any other threads, though browsing his history, it looks like comments come few and far between, so hopefully that's the end of it. The Dyre Wolf (talk) 01:31, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Teaching moment

Edit on Ranger Sequoia that I wanted to talk about. The user did not know where to put the information and they said so much. The comment you left in edit summary was not appropriate. Next time be kind, leave an edit summary that says thank you and something along the lines of "see my edit for where we place the info." Not everyone knows how to edit and we need to assume good faith, take time to teach, and always treat others with respect, especially since they are coming here to help out with information that is valuable. --kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 02:19, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I totally understand. I get frustrated too and get caught up in the moment more often than I would like to admit. I appreciate your work and diligence in keeping everything tidy, included edits varying in quality :) --kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 19:26, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

dod

Hey, date of death is only for quest deaths and deaths that had already happened or happen no matter player choice. Since House has to be killed in some quest lines, this is why he's getting a date of death. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 17:37, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey Dave, I think we should discuss this first instead of making the call. Great Mara already noted he doesn't think it should be added. So lets talk it out more, come to a consensus. That way we can all be on board. --kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 22:07, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Forum

Sorry to confuse! No, it was just a general message to both. We need to have a forum before a large change like this is made. Thanks for checking tho <3 --kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 23:28, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Separate page

To make a long debate short: This is intended to be a separate page so that triggering material can be contained to a single page the very title of which gives advance warning. Hope this explains everything! Tägäżïël 18:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

WW Enclave Excerpts

The excerpts from WW on Enclave's stealthy operations post-Broken Steel. Most come from the roleplaying book, but the last one is from the The Vestiges Resurgent Enclave questline supplement that was released a few weeks back.

  • The Enclave once again found resistance from the Brotherhood of Steel, which again fought to protect the world from the Enclave's designs, and shattered them in the process. The Enclave's East Coast contingent splintered even further and disappeared back into the shadows. -"History of the Enclave", pg.16
  • They actually exist to keep an eye on the population and quietly remove anyone who the Enclave considers "non-compliant. -"Organization Structure: Peacekeeping and Recovery", pg.16
  • The Enclave no longer has the numbers or power it once had, and its old tactics no longer work. The Brotherhood of Steel has matched them in technology and the New California Republic has them beaten for numbers. The Enclave now relies on small, heavily armed squads, with the best possible weapons and equipment, instead of dispatching a large contingent of troops. These small groups, like Sigma Squad, can be mustered and sent in to perform tasks quietly. These new tactics make the Enclave much more dangerous because it is difficult to ascertain where they might be operating. An air fleet of Vertibirds is highly visible, but a squad of black-ops veterans can easily approach undetected.

-"Enclave Tactics",pg.16

  • Before the Great War, a shadow government within the United States set up numerous military bases throughout the country. Although many of these were looted or destroyed, some still exist, and make convenient shelters from the harsh environment. One such outpost was so well stocked that its current residents have enjoyed a prosperous and relatively easy life, until recently. In the last week, their communications with other settlements ceased and their scouts have not come back from routine patrols. The base's original owners have returned. -"From the Past: Story",pg. 2

If ya want to read the full Enclave questline, Modiphius released the three episodes as separate free downloads on their website. Though it's quite short on lore. Like, the Enclave bunker that serves as the major point of interest throughout the quests is never even given a name.Saxhleel12 (talk) 18:37, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Confrontations in Discussions

Just stopping by to talk about the cheese post and what went down there. I am 110% behind anyone wanting to help explain certain practices or refer a user to resources like the guidelines as needed, but please take a little time in when writing your post to come off as less authoritative. You are a mod, but you are not a discussions mod. That's not me trying to run you off or anything, but it is a little disingenuous to bring that up in conversation. If it's just being a little short with people, from time to time, I can certainly understand, but if you can take the extra two to three seconds to just come across as a user trying to help them rather than being a moderator who is going to do enforcement if they fail to comply. You can always shoot a talk page message out, like you had done with the guns post or you can hit the report button, and we'll get to it. The Dyre Wolf (talk) 21:23, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Moderating, no, but helping point someone in the right direction is absolutely fine. The most significant difference being whether the comment comes across as "Do this (or else, being implied or outright stated)" or "Hey, be sure to do this/just letting you know (coming across as friendly voice trying to help)." There's two or three regulars who I would not be surprised to see interacting with new or infrequent users and explaining a rule exists, and there's nothing wrong with just bringing it up. Plenty of wikis have different rules, many of them being far less organized than ours, so not everyone comes in with a uniform understanding. But across the platform, folks know to recognize the little badge things as mods and admin, so when it looks like commands are being given, that usually leads to resistance rather than just politely following along. If you've tried to help them, it obviously did not stick or they wanted, and a mod hasn't gotten there, you can always report the post. We'll get to it, and if the user wants to be argumentative or so forth, we can deal with them as needed. The Dyre Wolf (talk) 01:29, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Gala

Holorifle has a scope, but the main point was to show that the Gas Bomb has a unique range capability here due to the height layout.

I've been editing this site since before you came on board. Quest specific strategy (as oppose to general ones) have always been allowed. Technically a walk-through IS a strategy guide in of itself - strategy on completing the quest. Stop being so literal and personally 'goal-keeping' the articles. This kind of subjective reverting good-faith articles is why so many editors have left. Mad Dog Fargo (talk)

"You having 'been around' before me doesn't change the fact that your edit was not allowed"

Again, it's a strategy guide. There are obviously going to be relevant walk-through strategy here and there - it's all over the site. If you don't understand 'no strategy' means no general/obvious strategy, then maybe look up past precedents on edits before going to war with everyone. And who made you sole subjective decider on what's allowed? Fandom is a collaborative project.

"dunno or care if things were different back when you were around but that's how it is now, don't try and give me grief for doing my job."

A competent moderator would take into consideration whether the edits (that's been on the page for years before you came along) contribute to the site and not make decision based on personal preference and bias. Hint: You've been told this before - but assume good faith. Don't assume you know and decide everything. Discuss and edit - don't snap revert - material you disagree with. You're a moderator, not a dictator.

How old are you? I see you already have a questionable background of being argumentative and over-zealousness in deletion/editing. Astonishing that with your attitude and temperament you got the job.

Mad Dog Fargo (talk) 16:57, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, the old strawman. I'm not disputing the sniping part - I didn't add that originally but it was already on the page since 2015 - "Note that you can shoot the ghost people with an automatic rifle or holorifle," before you nuked it in 2020. I restored it to add to the fight 'strategy' that YOU opened that section with ("The player character must fight (or run) back the way they came,")
Again, maybe address why that whole fight/run 'strategy' section is acceptable, but strategy of fighting ghost people is not? Is there an enforced rule (that mod follows) or not?
Sorry you feel pointing out one-sided moderating is 'insulting', but maybe try not to act that way in moderating? You're supposed to be a referee, not a subjective judge. If something has been there for years, that usually mean users are fine with it. Mad Dog Fargo (talk) 18:51, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Kendall

I'm watching him, think he's about done by now. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 21:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Problem is he's not vandalizing, intentions are good I think. I may block him for some time to get his attention. This is causing too much fuss controlling his edits. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 15:31, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Power armor

I appreciate the copy edit to my latest edit. Thanks. NewhonImproved (talk) 10:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Perspective

I know we have talked about this before, but I really need you to slow down and think about your behavior and how it may be perceived by a brand new user. Telling someone to "go over the policies and guidelines first" is not helpful. You know full well how many there are, and it is impossible to be able to tell what policies are or aren't applicable until you have a base understanding of editing. I don't want to see this in messages moving forward. From now on, I want you to include specifics when you reply to others, linking to policies if need be. I want you to explain the reasoning behind your suggestions, and above all, you need to be kind.

I want to review the recent interaction on this talk page and help you become more graceful in these interactions with new users. This is their first impression of Nukapedia and our community in many cases, and it needs to be productive and welcoming.

The user rewrote part of the robobrain article, removing transclusions in the process. I agree with rolling back this edit. What I don't agree with is your first sentence to them.

You cannot just get rid of the transcluded information on robobrains and replace it with your own version.

You can see that this was the first edit ever made by this user. In this case especially, we need to assume good faith. The person knows something about robobrains and sees an opportunity to share it, taking the time to write what they believe is a good contribution. In your response to them, you are incredibly curt, which is not what I want to see for first messages to new users, or ever really. You also assume they know what a transclusion is, which is a complicated type of formatting. A new user won't know what you mean by that. Here is a suggestion of how I would handle this:

Hi there, welcome to Nukapedia! I saw your contributions over on the robobrain article and I wanted to lend a hand. The background section is part of what is called a "transclusion" which means it is mirrored at the top of robobrain articles from Fallout 3, Fallout 4 and so on. We want to keep that section the same across these articles. But don't worry! You can write additional information underneath this section, or within the notes section below that. As long as we keep that top section consistent, everything will be aok! I know this is probably a lot to throw at you out of the gate, so please feel free to ask me any questions on my talk page (click on the heart!) I am here to help out, and really excited to see a new face here at Nukapedia. Welcome again!

What I did is welcome them, offer to help, explain what was less-than-optimal about their edits, explain why it was less-than-optimal, describe specifically what to do, how to do it, and then empathize with them being new, offer my assistance, how to contact me, encourage them, and welcome them a second time. This is absolutely how you should be interacting with those unfamiliar with editing and Nukapedia, no exceptions. You don't have to talk in the same folksy manner as me, but as a staff member here, your communication needs to include clear and polite, including specific tools and instruction on how to improve. It is literally a requirement of every user rights position here.

Users such as this one likely blank their talk page because they are embarrassed. They took a leap and attempted to contribute to something that was completely new to them. It takes courage to do this, and when they read a terse message that they were wrong, and can't understand why or how, they will feel ashamed and defensive. This is absolutely not how we want to make our new users feel. If we communicate "you made a mistake" in a friendly way, the person will likely still feel a little embarrassed, but embarrassed among friends who want to help them. There is a huge difference in how they will react to this, as we can see in their response to me using my own tactics to diffuse the situation between the two of you and explain why we don't blank talk pages.

Thank you for your kind message, I won’t change the comments I just didn’t like this guy’s harassment, I’m a fallout fanatic all I wanted was to make this more accurate but I’ll stay in line.

I am not going to go further into the conversation, because the point I want to get across is that we won't have users blanking their talk pages out of embarrassment if we don't exacerbate the problem, shame them, and cause them to be defensive. Some people will feel harassed no matter what you say to them, some people will lash out even if we are kind, we can't help that. All we can control are our actions, and if handled with clarity and kindness, the user will be more likely to walk away from their first interaction with a good feeling, that even though they made a mistake, they are valued and welcome here, and that the staff is here to support them.

You have such a wide breadth of knowledge and can help so many be better editors. Teach these people. Feel for them. Help them. You are frequently the first person to make contact with these new users, and as one of the faces of Nukapedia, it is imperative that you handle these crucial moments with poise, empathy, and kindness. I know it is frustrating, day in and day out, but remember I am here to help you, too. Just like other staff help me. Its a community after all. I appreciate you, your help with this, as cultivating relationships and helping new users is something near and dear to my heart, and the only way our community can grow. -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 22:43, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Shitting on newbies is unacceptable behavior.
Axed Scribe-Howard (waster93) (talk) 23:08, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Handing in your rights

I've read through previous discussion and I can understand you've had enough for a bit. Though I do feel you deserve some thinking it over time. I'll leave your right intact for a week, then I'll remove them. Thanks for your work anyways! Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 18:05, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Sure thing! I hope you find your way again here with the pointers given to you. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 16:30, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

SBQ

It's a plot point that the scorchbeast queen can order those affected by scorched plague by just thinking to them while she's in the glassed cavern. She also demonstrates this during her fight by calling on assortments of scorched. The loading screens also state all scorched are in a hivemind and they occasionally demonstrate wordless communication. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 16:50, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in. I just removed this because there's no paranormal or psychic explanation for this. The game tells us that the Scorchbeasts use sound. Source. Speculation like this is not permitted under our rules.
intrepid359FO76NW Overseer.png10/20/21 [7:50am]
I agree with Brane/intrepid. Scorchbeasts use sound, per the Fort Defiance terminal. No ties to psykers of any kind. kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 18:30, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
As stated in loading screens, psychic relations are given through the direct quotes of "controlled by a violent hive mind" and "mind-controlled minions". The queen directly controls the Scorched. The Scorchbeast is only directly said to summon reinforcements, which could mean anything from calling other scorchbeasts to its aid, to summoning the queen itself. This is no different than the Flatwoods Monster, which has a similar power of being able to bend minds to its will. 185.220.101.150 18:34, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
From Merriam-Webster:
Definition of hive mind:
1: the collective mental activity expressed in the complex, coordinated behavior of a colony of social insects (such as bees or ants) regarded as comparable to a single mind controlling the behavior of an individual organism
intrepid359FO76NW Overseer.png10/20/21 [7:50am]
While the terminal entry states echolocation, the BoS are only talking about normal scorchbeasts and the not scorchbeast queen who has the mind controlling influence. Once again, the loading screens state the Queen controls the hive mind, not the normal scorch beasts. Also, any kind of mind control effect is what I'd call a psychic or paranormal effect, like the psykers from FO1, was caused by FEV experiments. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 19:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
I think you're confusing "hive mind" for "telepathy." Those aren't the same thing. Insects have hive minds. An ant or bee queen controls the hive. Ants and bees are not psychic or paranormal.
intrepid359FO76NW Overseer.png10/20/21 [7:50am]

At first I'd say keep the scorchbeast queen as a psyker, since characters/creatures from games other than Fo1 (even the Grafton monster) are on that page, and the queen is a mind-controlling creature. But probably it's better to split the psyker to keep that one for the Fo1 characters and put the rest on a Psychic page. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 17:29, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

The Whitespring

Ah, but The Whitespring is a proper noun, just like The Pitt. So The should be capitalize here. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 18:37, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

It's not an absolute priority. As far as I know The Pitt is almost always capitalized (I've reverted some of the edits). If you come across the Whitespring with a lowercap the you can change it, but as said, not a priority. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 18:47, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Tact

- It pains me to have to come to you like this, but after your exchange with Kate a while back, you caused quite a stir among staff with your adament stance towards not improving your behaviour towards our newer users, and now with some new complaints levied towards you, I find myself compelled to step in and make an administrative decision since you had decided to keep your rights afterall.

- You've heard this before from Kate, so I'm not going to hit you with my full rhetoric, but I'll remind you that wiki editing is a volunteer hobby for enthusiasts, and retaining said editors is a top priority here since we're a rather rare and fleeting breed. As such, especially among our staff positions, treating users with respect, especially new users, and showing them a welcoming culture here at Nukapedia, is just as important as improving our articles, and we fully expect all of our users to treat each other with mutual decency during their time with us.

- We're not robots and I don't expect for you to never have an emotional reaction; but this is repeated behaviour from you, behaviour that has been noted and addressed by multiple staff members, and as such, I have made the decision to temporarily remove your Content Moderator rights for a period of 1-month as per FW:AP (this will be considered your second offense as per the Kate incident, in which the only reason you didn't face discipline then, was in face of your alleged resignation).

- In any case, it does make me happy to see that you've decided to stay and continue editing, and that's not something I want to dissuade even in the least. If we can work together at all to help improve in some of these areas, I will absolutely find the time to sit down with you - all you hafta do is ask. Thank you for hopefully understanding though, and my talk-page is of course open if you have any questions and/or concerns. 寧靜 Fox.png 14:59, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

This is in response to your recent misusage of the Edit Summary tool - something we have had to talk about before. It had been decided before after your response to Kate not to go through with any disciplinary measures since you had expressed your wishes to resign, but it seems that has changed and you are still using the site tools in a negative way that reflects badly on both our community and its leadership. This is something we had to especially take interest in since you flat out told another Administrator that you have no interests in improving your behaviour towards other users, something which was seen yet again as of yesterday.
I'm sorry, but it has reached the point now where this behaviour merits tangible consequences, and the decision has been made with consensus beyond just myself. As I said though, if you are interested in improving here, we are willing to sit down and work with you so we can try and come up with solutions. 寧靜 Fox.png 15:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
I understand how frustrating it can be, but that frustration is something experienced by almost every other editor, almost daily when addressing the Recent Changes, and we do expect our users to control themselves as best they can and not to abuse the site tools. It wouldn't even necessarily be an issue right now, except as I said earlier, this is repeated behaviour from you, and multiple Administrators have had to talk to you about your aggressive nature towards other users.
It's already bad enough though when a user acts that way, but as a Content Moderator, you represent the entire wiki and its community as a staff member. You are someone who is supposed to be an example everyone can look up to, and so your actions have more weight than usual, and that's a responsibility you need to take into account, otherwise, well, look at where we're at now. 寧靜 Fox.png 15:42, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
The behaviour of other rights-holders is something we've been discussing as well at great length, but that doesn't pertain to specifically you and why we're here now. In any case, the sentence has already been carried as of 15:19 Wikia Standard, and you are free to discuss the matter with Tagaziel who was part of the consensus and removed your rights after my initial message to you. 寧靜 Fox.png 17:05, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

( It appears I'm outgunned with this decision, coming from chat discussions betweens admins and a bc, they came to this conclusion after your general behavior over a longer period. I have not been watching you closely enough to see it myself, but there it is. Hope you see it as a learning school, a month onwards is a month older and wiser. Should only become better from now on with the pointers given. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 17:17, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Contact me

There's something wiki related you might be able to help me with. If you are interested, contact me via tytcns@yandex.ru. 45.154.255.75 21:45, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Month's up

Your month is up. If you want your content moderator rights back you can contact me. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 13:28, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

You have your rights back! Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 14:03, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

RE: Something happened

Not as part of any rights change, where it's part of the Cmod's duties. Beyond that it's an interesting question and not one I have much experience with... since our Cmods almost never come to discussions. Anywho, I can ask around and see if that bit was accidently added when you were turned back on or if it's just part of the honor system that you would not use them unless you officially pick up dmod rights. In the meantime, just don't use n' abuse it :p

Hope that helps. The Dyre Wolf (talk) 10:27, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

I brought it up in SD right after you mentioned it to me, and bleep said she would look into it. Did it ever get straightened out on your end? The Dyre Wolf (talk) 13:57, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
The consensus among the admin who replied was something to the effect of "well that should not be happening." If they do not get back to you after a while, I would try getting ahold of them again. And in the meantime, just pretend those rights never showed up for you, since they all agreed it was not supposed to happen. The Dyre Wolf (talk) 14:28, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

RE: Interloper

Hey brane, When it comes to the psyker page you should check the psyker talk page. There was a massive discussion on it about how psyker itself only applies to a single mention in fallout 1 and nothing more. As for race, we do not know what it's race is and saying the race is psyker is adding speculation. For all we know it could be an Old God from the elder scrolls universe. The psyker page needs to be reworked to only include the characters that are labeled as psyker (For reference only a single character seems to be referred to as a psyker in all of fallout) and create a new page for characters with paranormal/psychic powers or just change the page to be about characters with paranormal/psychic powers and list psyker on the page as just the characters that are explicitly referenced as that name. Just because something has been done on the wiki for many years, does not mean that it is correct. As for why I only did it with that page, well first, I really only deal in templates or pages that I've worked on in the past and second, I also only generally deal in 76 pages unless something specifically takes me off to another games pages, like link correction, template fixes, or a request from someone. I hope this sheds some light on my reasoning and why it was only this page. -Eckserah User Eckserah.png Head Dataminer 00:37, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Noticed this dispute and thought I'd hop in and give my two cents as someone who was watching from the sidelines - responding to the opening argument with "I disagree, here's why, and if you don't respond soon I'll take it as me winning the argument because you have nothing further to say" is bad form in general. "One comment followed by a rebuttal and dismissal" does not productive discussion make.
Even discounting that aspect, it's generally bad form to assume that someone is done with a discussion on the internet just because they haven't responded to you in a while. Any number of things could have come up preventing them from getting back to you, from something as simple as them being in a different time zone or having to go to work, to more serious things like illness or other IRL crises.
Being relatively close with Ecks I know that he's been suffering from severe food poisoning for several days and feeling awful as a result, to the point that it's starting to look like it might be a more serious stomach bug, and as such he's not been as active as usual. I'm sure he's very much interested in continuing this discussion when he feels better. -- DirtyBlue929 (talk) 17:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Reverting others

I would suggest in the future reaching out to ask if someone you have been discussing an article with has any additional comments, instead of interpreting their having not responded yet as agreeing or otherwise having no objections. Let me know if I can be of help. -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 06:32, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Found your office

FO76 Hi brane love kate.png

I know it is not spelled the same but I was poking through the Charleston Herald building (second floor, in case you are curious where your digs are) the other day and I spotted this sign. I was like, hey! That looks like Branebriar! I was pretty excited and wanted to show you :) -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 06:13, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Re edit summaries

You should not be utilizing rollback for anything outside of vandalism. For everything else, you need to choose "undo" and leave a detailed edit summary. Please see my recent additions to timeline as an example of how we can quickly add missing references instead of removing content someone worked hard to add. -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 08:48, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Player character

The guideline says it's player character so leave that just the way it is. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 21:35, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, but that layout guideline was never talked about and I consider that still intact. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 21:42, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
That didn't include that layout guideline, just the use in the content. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 21:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Vote

Uh oh! Thank you for keeping an eye on that. You are so good! I am sleepy right now but I’ll check that out as soon as I wake up :) -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 11:18, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Multiple reversions

Hey man, nothing personal, but it's kinda annoying as a new user to come back to the wiki and see that someone went through my edits history and reverted half of them.

For the record I fully disagree with this reversal, considering it's in my opinion an important piece of trivia about Elijah, that he doesn't like to meet people face to face and only does it through computers when possible. Him using that secret terminal to keep communicating with Veronica even after Helios One was also only mentioned in my text, unless I missed it somehow.

Anyway that's OK, I got the message, I just finished my FNV playthrough so you'll probably not see me editing this wiki anymore. Xporc (talk) 20:37, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

NCR heavy troopers

NCR heavy troopers are not the same as irradiated heavy troopers, the latter falling under marked men. Even that aside, the fact that they can be found in the long 15 does not warrant a mention under 'notes' but rather 'locations' - which it is on the marked men page. Also the possibility that someone has not played LR is not our problem, we don't add notes for subjective reasons, like the possibility that some one has not played x. Hopes that clears it up.

I just don't get why you're so opposed to this. "NCR Heavy Trooper" is a type of NCR soldier, I don't see what's wrong with saying that there are a different kind of NCR Heavy Troopers in another place. Establishing cross-links between pages is one of the most important things to do in a wiki environment. The NCR Heavy Trooper should link to the Irradiated Heavy Trooper, and the Irradiated Heavy Trooper should likewise link to the NCR Heavy Trooper, because Irradiated Heavy Troopers are simply just NCR Heavy Troopers that got irradiated. That's how we've been doing on wowpedia for years and years. Before my edit to the page, there was no way for a user to even just LEARN that some Heavy Troopers got irradiated. Xporc (talk) 19:58, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Content removal and conduct issues

I received your message and wanted to address the questions you have asked of me. I want to let you know that I don't have personal grievances with anyone, my administrative actions are made with the goal of serving the wiki and its community, my own opinions have no bearing. Personally, I like you a great deal and think your dedication to the wiki is commendable, and that your functional editing skills are excellent. My administrative decisions in the last few days have been in response to your removal of newly added information from articles, and conduct, including edit warring and edit hovering/stalking of another user.

Regarding content, it is not our prerogative to make judgment calls on what is or isn't interesting enough to include in an article. If a character mentions that the sheets at Gomorrah are made of silk, it warrants mention in some form within the Gomorrah article. We have content policies that dictate what should not be included, and barring those, we can format or blend the reference and notation, but outright removing it is not appropriate. This is the same for information that is not in the correct place or needs a citation. We have navigation templates that are available to point to independent articles bearing similar names, cross-linking with {{for|}}. We can utilize {{citation needed}}. But above all else, a friendly talk page message, article or user, goes a long way in finding out what the user was trying to do or express, and should be utilized before removal of information in order to be communicative and supportive of each other.

I reverted your edits and locked the power armor article because your revert of a revert you was in violation of our policy against edit warring. This policy clearly states that an article talk page or user talk page should be utilized to reach a consensus or an uninvolved user should be sought out to meditate before reverting in this manner. You should be well versed in our policies as a rights holder and hold yourself to the standard of following them as a bare minimum. This is not the first time I have stressed this with you.

Secondly, the issues surrounding user conduct. If someone takes the time to come to our wiki to add information, we should use every tool we have at our disposal to incorporate this information into our knowledge base, and use these edits, if they would benefit from improvement, as teaching opportunities. Removing information and noting it as irrelevant in an edit summary is not welcoming or an appropriate way to teach someone, nor is it beneficial to our articles to have these items stricken when, with a little care, could be blended nicely within.

If users feel targeted by others, I encourage them to reach out to admin, which is what this user did. In response to this, it is my role to hear their concerns, look into it, and act if needed. You admitted freely in your talk page message that you used their contributions to check all of their edits, this is called edit hovering/stalking. It makes users feel very singled out, uncomfortable, and discouraged. I had to reach out to this same user a few weeks ago to address your behavior, and this time around, another editor has also added their frustration to that message regarding your removal of information with reasoning either absent, for being in the wrong place, or not notable. All of these reasons are not justifiable in terms of removing content others have added. As they point out, article talk pages should be utilized, not reverts.

In response to your actions, the user at hand indicated they would no longer be editing the wiki. I attempted to salvage this relationship and encourage them to stay here and not to leave the community. This is my role as well but should not be something I have to do in response to your treatment of others on a regular basis.

I want to know how I can help you in these interactions, or what guidance I can provide in improving your conduct, because a user's first impressions of a wiki can make a difference between them joining on as an active editor or leaving completely. We have to take great care in how we conduct ourselves. We must put forth the effort to teach and help everyone who makes a good faith attempts in contributing to what we are building here. We must do this every time, with every interaction, with no exceptions. I know that you care about this as much as I do, and I want to work together to improve this. Let me know what I can do. -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 09:47, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Knights and paladins

I'm not sure what pages you're refering to, I need more specifics especially since you want to cut a lot of content. Tagaziel had gotten into arguments with several users to the point it affected his health and has now hopped wiki for a fresh start, and Leon resigned from admin since he (what I heard) may try in the future to run for admin on his own power (or may not). Probably for now he's taking a break if you don't see him in Discord. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 17:51, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Content mod

It's a maintenance issue. I've gotten the same rights over at the Russian wiki. I know him, it's a very trusted and active user, former bureaucrat at the Russian sister wiki. I think we can see it as one promoted Russian interwiki user can use over here, mainly for accessing deleted files. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 21:24, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Community Roundtable

Hello! We recently sent an email to your registered email account about a community roundtable event. We'd love to know if you're going to be able to make it. There's a link in the email to respond and RSVP if you're interested! Hope to see you there! HeyTots FandomStaff.png (Contact) 15:41, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Harkness

I found Harkness identified as a courser on two other pages and reviewed the in-game descriptions of 1) what a courser is/does and 2) what Harkness was/did. They are exact matches. This topic was discussed in front of an admin and several other staff members, who all came to the same conclusion.

As for the terminology argument, that doesn't make sense to me. Back when humans were living in caves, we didn't have words for planets, nor did we know about Mercury, Saturn, etc. Were they still planets despite the term not being used by cave men? Absolutely. Did they still exist despite our ability to name them at that time? Science says yes. Are they still planets today, even though different names and terminology is used to describe them throughout the many different languages we use? Yes. The terminology doesn't make the entity.

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Purge

I don't know, it's also new to me. Where do you see it, I can't find it. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 17:10, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Still don't see it. But to purge it to delete something definitely. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 17:23, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I saw your talk to J and decided to do some research: Help:Purge - Gilpo1 (talk)

Contractions

Hi Brane, thanks for help reviewing those FO2 quest articles. I was looking through your changes and just had a quick question about changing all of the contractions, if there was a reason for this? For example changing "doesn't" to "does not" - I am just curious if there was some formatting thing I am not aware of. No rush of course, just lemme know whenever you are around. -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 01:03, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, I will start doing it too! -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 02:42, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Wonkyness

Of course, I would be glad to. I will check it out right now and let you know if I find anything amiss! Thanks for letting me know :) -kate (kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 03:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC))

I see what you mean. I have some more articulate editors finding the info out and will fix it up. It should have had an under construction template, but I don't expect new users to know that. I will swing back around this afternoon and make sure it is in a tidier state :) Thanks again for letting me know to look into it. -Pickman heart.png kateaminer take her for a spin! 11:31, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Nonsense adder

Looks like you and Mara were more on the ball than me, I didn't see your user talk message to that user until I had already blocked them. Good of you to message them, bad of me not to. Keep up the solid work as always! -Pickman heart.png kdarrow take her for a spin! 18:06, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

Fo4CW Pillory.png
You have been given a kate-sized pillory.
Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation.
I appreciate your support of my bcrat app. I always wanted to tell you that your last message to me hit home, and I have been acting with reflection a lot more since. I have decided to give you this pillory made just for me, in case I get out of line in the future. That way you can easily shoot teddy bears at my face until I get my act together. Thanks again for the thumbs up.
All my love, Pickman heart.png kdarrow take her for a spin! 03:50, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Re Daytripper

Heya! Good question. No, I wouldn't consider it to be notable unless there are significant quantities of it in one place. Even then, if you see it listed in notable loot, go ahead and move the mention of it to the layout section. It is valuable I think to mention that it exists, just not in the notable loot section. -Pickman heart.png kdarrow take her for a spin! 07:19, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Voting

Oh i needed to do that i did not know that sorry ill fix that

Patrollerpalooza

Sorry for the intrusion! I saw your note on Kate's talk page about the large number of Patrollers. What issues have you encountered with the recent increase in staff size? Anything we should be concerned about?

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I echo this, if there are concerns feel free to let me know your thoughts. I’m satisfied with how the new staff are doing but if you have insight, I’m open to listen. This patroller influx is intentional. I aim to combat this long-standing myth that there is a limit to how many staff members there can or should be. It would not be a benefit to deny tools to users that are qualified and enthusiastic, citing a self-imposed limit.
I believe the more people on deck to work hard and offer various perspectives, the better. I won’t bore you with my decision making process, but take heart that it is informed, mindful, snd intentional. Keep the questions coming though, my actions should always be questioned if you have a concern, I encourage it. Pickman heart.png kdarrow take her for a spin! 03:01, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Interlinks

Hey man. About the gatorclaws/mutant crocodiles: both alligators and crocodiles are of the same crocodilian biological order. Both gatorclaws and mutant crocodiles are humanoids, standing upright on their feet, with scaly skin and long tails. One is an abandoned concept from a cancelled game. On Wowpedia, this would 100% deserve a note. Something basically saying "hey, see, someone thought of humanoid crocodilian enemies a decade before Nuka-World ever released, isn't that interesting?"

Would a "See also" section linking to the mutant crocodile page be agreeable for you? From our previous interactions I can already kind of guess that it wouldn't. I don't know why, but you seem to greatly dislike someone even simply mentioning small details and references, so I will try to discuss it with other members and if other people agree with you I will drop this particular point. Xporc (talk) 15:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, I do apologize for the snide comment, but we actually did interact in May and these interactions were fairly unpleasant, so to be honest I was kind of feeling you were picking on me personally here. If that's not the case, I am glad to learn it, and I do say that am generally willing to make adjustements to my edits for them to be properly integrated.
Now, that will probably sound like a stupid question, but why would the information be tolerated in a "See also" section and not in a "Notes" one? On wowpedia we use those fairly interchangeably. Also, if you personally agree that a 'see also' mention would be fine, why did you just delete the note instead of moving it down a few lines?
For the sake of transparency, the people present on the Discord at the time I asked unanimously agreed that the information belonged on the page as long as it was formatted properly. Xporc (talk) 17:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Well okay. I made the change. Can you confirm it is agreeable to you, so I if later I have to do similar edits I can use the same solution? Xporc (talk) 20:02, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Sarcasm

My clearly sarcastic comment to Gaslight was, in fact, sarcasm. It was to point out that votes are not a place to express baseless conspiracy theories to agitate other voters to vote your way. Anyone can throw around baseless accusations. If Gaslight can do it, so can I. If you have a problem with it, I expect you to be expressing the same concern to Gaslight, otherwise I see your entire post as unfair harassment against a new user, which is something you have had repeated problems with. DauntlessX (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Complaint

Hi Brane, I received a complaint regarding the conversation you are having with Dauntless. Can you get back to me so I can get some more information? I appreciate it. -Pickman heart.png kdarrow take her for a spin! 17:09, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for getting back to me with the info so quickly. Seems like there are a few layers for me to go through, and I fully intend to. I am about to leave work and will dedicate my attention to it once I get settled at home. I just wanted to reach out and let you know that I am appreciative of your sharing these thoughts and events with me, and that I will work to reach an understanding among all that is at least satisfactory. Usually a bit more communication helps ease initial frustration, and I aim to see it through. Thank you again for coming to me with this, stay tuned. -kate Pickman heart.png kdarrow take her for a spin! 23:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Forum order

That forum page is a mess. Whenever I edit something, fixing a link or category, it makes that forum go to the top. I don't know of a way we can list them in order according to date (you'd think that would be a feature right?) I will ask our wiki rep and Eckserah if I am missing something. Stay tuned! -Pickman heart.png kdarrow take her for a spin! 17:39, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Handmade rifle

Why did you revert the edit on the handmade rifle article? There was absolutely nothing wrong with it. I'd appreciate if you were a little bit less trigger-happy on the undo button. The Appalachian Mandalorian insignia.png 12:21, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

It seemed pretty clear to me. On the east side of the roof, near the church. I'll have to check in-game if that's indeed what they meant. The Appalachian Mandalorian insignia.png 12:50, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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