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"COLOSSUS" Page deleted[edit source]

Hey! I was wondering why you deleted the page COLOSSUS and what you meant by "Housekeeping". I put a lot of time into that article and just want to know what I did wrong. Zusk (talk) 22:35, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

R.E. BS Launcher again[edit source]

Yeah, i agree, ill see about merging the two into a unified launcher page. There are pretty much no designated missile launchers, theyre all just RLs until otherwise. --DankalorYT 14:44, October 5, 2020 (UTC)

Cannan legion war[edit source]

There is no Canaan-Legion War. Caesar had sent assassins to kill Joshua Graham and forbade anyone from revealing his mistake. One of his Frumentarii got the White Legs into a fake alliance to exterminate all Mormons (the actual faction) in an attempt to get Graham. They nearly succeeding, (the sacking of the settlement and near extermination) it's the survivors that the White Legs are after in Honest Hearts, the tribes of Zion are just a part of it because they allied with the Mormons. (Graham being the Chief of the Dead Horses and Daniel being the effective Chief of the Sorrows.) The rest of the three tribes (Mormon, Dead Horses, and Sorrows) are in the Grand Staircase for safety.--Ant2242 (talk) 16:53, October 6, 2020 (UTC)

Because Caesar hasn't turned his forces against the Mormons, he sent Frumentarii to assassinate Graham. Arguably its a White Leg-Mormon War initiated by Ulysses to get at Graham because he couldn't.--Ant2242 (talk) 17:19, October 6, 2020 (UTC)
Yes, but Caesar didn't order the White Legs to do anything. It was Ulysses, and it was all lies.--Ant2242 (talk) 17:44, October 6, 2020 (UTC)
I was remembering this line "Showed them tech caches, taught them the workings of chamber and powder, spoke of Caesar's {emph}pride in those that used such things... lies. And..." from that holotape. Still though, where does it state that Caesar officially war with the Mormons?--Ant2242 (talk) 18:02, October 6, 2020 (UTC)
Seems like a stretch though.--Ant2242 (talk) 01:19, October 7, 2020 (UTC)

Mrs. Binet[edit source]

While I'm here, do you know if the actual name for Alan Binet's wife is specifically named? I know that machine's name is "Eve" but I don't recall his wife's actual name.--Ant2242 (talk) 17:44, October 6, 2020 (UTC)

Rothchild[edit source]

Probably an oversight in the guide. there are many. Leave it head scribe then. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 17:27, October 7, 2020 (UTC)

Gage[edit source]

Ah I see, thanks for the explanation. On the face of it it seemed nonsensical to say they shouldn't include a reaction to a character that exists. Pastedlink (talk) 11:37, October 11, 2020 (UTC)

Howdy from Discussions[edit source]

It's not everyday that we get editors or editing staff visiting Discussions. I've seen you stop by a few times now and just wanted to extend a thanks for coming to participate. There's all sorts of topics which come up (and range all over in terms of quality). In between all the favorites polls, we see the occasional debate or more scrutinized lore discussion, if you're into that sorta thing, and in addition to the main feed, one of the long since buried but still popular threads, here, has become the sort of de facto off topic thread for many of our regular users. Feel free to drop in. The Dyre Wolf (talk) 09:38, October 15, 2020 (UTC)

Why a link to the Protectron page?[edit source]

Hey mate, I was wondering why you changed the link here? The reason I link to that disambig page is to give readers an overview of vendor bots who may or may not have that mod box for sale. And congratulations for your promotion to cmod. --FindabairMini-JSPnP Logo.pngThe benefit of the doubt is often doubtful. 20:33, October 18, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I see your point. Still, it is the best I can come up with currently. In general, locating possible locations for mod boxes is a horrible endeavour, even with the help of the people from the Dataminer Discord. The majority of the mod pages being more or less neglected isn't helpful either. But enough complaints from my end. Will change it back to what it was, until I can come up with a better solution. Have a nice day. --FindabairMini-JSPnP Logo.pngThe benefit of the doubt is often doubtful. 21:39, October 18, 2020 (UTC)

Two congrats in one[edit source]

On 100 days! And welcome to the leaderboard my friend! What a great day <3 -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 08:01, October 20, 2020 (UTC)

Response to FBHD[edit source]

1.Operation: Sunburst didn't have any connection to the First Battle of Hoover Dam, that's why I placed it into the Prelude section, to provide an in-depth background to what preceded the conflict. However, I suppose I'll leave it out of any future edits. 2. That wasn't my intention. I was in the process of adding citations until my edits were undone which in turn undid my work on my citations. I wasn't able to do it all at once given that I was busy with other things at the time so I tried to do it separately. I just added them on my talk page to show you that I wasn't falsifying any information. 3. I suppose that we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I'll leave that out of any future edits. 4. I'll be sure to avoid those mistakes in the future and I apologise for doing so. 5. I suppose we'll to agree to disagree on this, as well. 6. Being a part of the NCR Army and answering to the NCR Army High Command are 2 very different things. You made an honest mistake, just like I do on occasion, hence there's nothing to worry about. As for the inter-service rivalry, what you're describing is the literal definition of the term. General Oliver is a senior field commander of the NCR Army whereas Chief Hanlon is head of the NCR Rangers. Meaning that anytime that these 2 clash, it directly affects BOTH organizations and effectively sets them and their respective priorities on a collision course. It doesn't matter whether or not your average NCR Trooper and NCR Ranger share any animosity towards each at the end of the day as they're both grunts who don't have any say in how their respective organizations are run and ultimately have to deal with the consequences of their inter-service rivalry, whether they like it or not 7. Except that the version in question is literally completely contradicted by just about every credible in-game source and eyewitness. I'll go ahead and add my citations to prove it.

Look, I don't mean to come off as aggressive and I apologise in advance if that's how I'm coming off, I just take these discussions very seriously, at the end of the day. --TheChonChon (talk)-- 10:18 October 20, 2020 (UTC)

Citations[edit source]

I've added the citations to FBHD article. Feel free to read and see my point.

Second Response[edit source]

I never said that Joshua Graham had the upper hand, nor did I say that the NCR was unprepared. I'm literally trying to CHANGE that in the article. I also didn't edit Legion casualties so I'm not seeing where you're going with that. I already said that I was leaving both of them out so I fail to see your point. You're not making any sense. The NCR Rangers and the NCR Army are completely separate branches of the Republic military with both being almost fully independent from each other, as established by Ranger Milo. The only thing that makes them related in any form or fashion is that both ultimately answer to the NCR military's high command. Where is it ever stated that General Oliver is head of the entire NCR Army? There's literally zero evidence to support that assertion. He's strictly the commander of the NCR's Mojave garrison, nothing more. I'm sorry, but did you even read my previous response? I never once said that individual NCR Rangers and NCR Troopers were at each other's throats, I just pointed out the obvious fact that the NCR Rangers and the NCR Army AS ORGANIZATIONS find their respective priorities, operations and resources clashing because of the feud between Chief Hanlon and General Oliver. Making it an inter-service rivalry. Of course, none of this matters, anyways, as I'm not going to put that part in my next edit. All I want to change is the Battle section. --TheChonChon (talk)-- 4:47 October 21, 2020 (UTC)

Third Response[edit source]

No I didn't. I literally CUT THAT PART OUT and CHANGED IT in my original edit of the article. You and everyone else REVERTED those changes and restored the original article (the "unprepared part" in question. Did you even bother to actually read my changes to the Battle section when you reverted it? Here's what I actually put in the first line of the Battle section before it was reverted: "The Legion, under the Malpais Legate, opted for a direct attack. After first contact was made and casualties manifested on both sides, General Lee Oliver ordered his troops back to the middle of the dam. Graham responded by pushing all of his forces onto the dam, raw recruits up front, veterans at the back, in accordance with the Legion's standard military doctrine." --TheChonChon (talk)-- October 21, 2020 (UTC)

Legion Casualties Response[edit source]

I thought that we were in agreement that my edit was correct. Do you intend to undo it or just move the reference?

First Battle of Hoover Dam[edit source]

I understand your worry. This wasn't really a merge but for the most part copied from The Vault. It's the question who has the better content, Tagaziel did most of the work I believe over on The Vault judging from the history, and he's someone doing his research. Take it up with him in Discord, maybe you can find a middle way, cutting some parts or perhaps it's best to stay as is. (I'm not familiar enough with the content myself.) Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 19:56, October 21, 2020 (UTC)

Factions[edit source]

From a game mechanics and gameplay perspective, they are NPCs within the Divide vying for control of a region and like-minded in keeping out outsiders. They meet the standards for a faction more than the pre-War companies that are only mentioned and should be listed as a faction in the infoboxes. Great Mara (talk) 22:15, October 22, 2020 (UTC)

Because the page hasn't been made yet? They are their own faction in game code and meet the standards outlined on the faction page. Great Mara (talk) 22:36, October 22, 2020 (UTC)
The marked men aren't minor players among the population, and they are the faction in control of a number of areas of the Divide. Great Mara (talk) 22:42, October 22, 2020 (UTC)
Yes, under the criteria outlined on the faction page they would be. And they’d be more prominent for such a listing compared to factions that only exist through mentions on terminals that we also note on pages. Great Mara (talk) 11:39, October 23, 2020 (UTC)

Fallout 76 Player Character[edit source]

Hey there! I saw your comment on the vote: "We have used Resident for two years now and we already have a vault dweller. I see no reason in changing it now. Why make more work for ourselves?" I wanted to reach out, since I know you're a fellow anti-speculation warrior :)

Some of us wanted to switch it to the official canon name, which the Bethesda spokesperson for Fallout 76 confirmed is "Vault Dweller." Bethesda has been using "Vault Dweller" since the official E3 2018 launch almost 2.5 years ago - it's in all of their marketing and communications. We've been using an unofficial name this entire time, and here's my fear: if editors can overrule Bethesda on something as iconic as the name of the protagonist, where does it stop? What else do we get to overrule? The title of the game? The names of weapons? Other protagonists? The storyline? It's a dangerous precedent.

So yeah, it is definitely more work. But we have an official, canon name. I think it's the right thing to do, and it discourages any other forms of unofficial or speculative editing. Anyway, thanks for listening! Have a great weekend! :) --Intrepid359 (talk) 07:57, October 24, 2020 (UTC)

Romanceable companions[edit source]

I understand that completely, but I didn't intend to classify them with specific sexualities. The companions have their own stories, of course, but the player character can enter same-sex relationships with them. Maybe I didn't phrase it well in the paragraph, but my intention was to establish that they aren't necessarily bisexual or anything like that, but that they're "player-sexual." It's still worth noting on the page, in my opinion, so long as we make it clear that they're not stated to be anything specific other than romanceable by the player character, regardless of gender. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 20:40, October 26, 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps the previous edit can stand, but also removing this sentence: "As such, these characters may be interpreted as bisexual or other sexualities, though it may also be interpreted as developers simply wanting to make the romance feature as accessible as possible." It is a little speculative in retrospect, so it probably shouldn't be there to begin with. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 20:59, October 26, 2020 (UTC)
Done. Thanks for the input. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 21:09, October 26, 2020 (UTC)

Initiate (Hierarchy)[edit source]

My edit was more in regards to the presence of the rank on the East Coast, which your removal made impossible to discern. While I do agree it would be incredibly speculatory to post, your edit has succeeded in conveying what the article should convey. As such, there is no longer an issue. JCB2077 (talk) 15:28, October 27, 2020 (UTC)

Dawn[edit source]

It doesn't really matter if there's a contradiction or a supplement, the game guide is the game guide. If it says something, then that thing is a part of the character, even if it can't be seen. JCB2077 (talk) 15:39, October 27, 2020 (UTC)

NPCs don't use the bathroom, or get diseases. The fact is that there's a lot of things in an NPC's life we don't, can't, and probably never will see in the base game or its DLCs. Eclair uses things to cook his foods. We never see him cook. We never see NPCs eat or drink often, but they don't die of dehydration or starvation. As I said, if the game guide says it, it's a matter of truth that can only be disputed if we wish to speculate on what the NPCs do and do not do. JCB2077 (talk) 15:50, October 27, 2020 (UTC)

BoS hierarchy[edit source]

Apprentice is in the tree, in the Lost Hills model. When you complete the (Senior) Initiate training, you then choose to become an Apprentice Scribe or Knight. So it's not the same. There is some information in the Lost Hills section, maybe you can find more in source texts like The Citadel or Prydwen terminal entries. If you're sure about Dusk, you can change it on the Fallout 3 Official Game Guide page as an mistake/oversight. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 16:55, October 27, 2020 (UTC)

Assault rifle[edit source]

I added it to the info box just fine was putting wrong text reload time instead of speed. W.I.G.T.A.I.H.T.W.B.M.G (talk) 14:57, October 28, 2020 (UTC)

Sorry About That[edit source]

I apologize for the Defend the Castle thing, the first time it disappeared I thought it was an editing glitch since I had multiple instances open. Won't happen again.--DirtyCommie (talk) 19:21, October 29, 2020 (UTC)

Alright, that one I don't understand. I was adding details to an existing tip that was doing the same thing, giving advice on patching up the Castle walls. Was my phrasing just the problem?

If the impression came across that concrete was the BEST method, that wasn't the intention--based on my understanding of how settlement attacks work, enemies will completely ignore walls if you're not there personally. What was meant was, the method of using foundations can result in things glitching into the "wall" and being stuck there--pointed out by the tip in question as a downside. Concrete walls on the other hand are building structural elements intended to be put at levels where NPCs will regularly run into them, compared to foundations which ultimately are meant to be mostly under the ground. So the odds of something glitching inside of concrete wall are much lower than for foundations as it is much thinner and coded more explicitly to act like a barrier, while still looking like a proper fort wall material. Technically any type of wall will work for this, but the other types are wood or metal and incongruous with the Castle's architecture. I'm also fairly sure concrete is more forgiving about being stuck into terrain than the other wall types, but that one isn't researched, just a feeling from doing a lot of building lately, so I wasn't planning to mention it (though I can definitely run some experiments). So when compared to building a wall out of foundations, concrete will do better than foundations in terms of avoiding enemies glitching into it while still looking enough like the fort around it. The latter may count as a value judgement, but the impression was that the look was a significant part of why foundations were recommended at all over just wood or metal walls. --DirtyCommie (talk) 20:23, October 30, 2020 (UTC)

10mm[edit source]

Hi love. No problem at all. I was waiting for the discussion on discord to come to an end. A confusing mix up that ended up being a moot point. The terminal was changed to remove any mention of the gun's name anyway. So it is all good. Not considering this an edit war. Happy post-Halloween!
FoS ghost costume.png -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 02:13, November 2, 2020 (UTC)

Ronnie Shaw[edit source]

IIRC, she's a merchant but not a Level 4 one. It may be worth double checking with the CK, though I don't have access to it at the moment. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 18:02, November 4, 2020 (UTC)

Roman Empire[edit source]

Sorry for the delay, I haven't been all that active as of late. I do understand what you're saying, but the predecessors to the countries are very different from their modern day equivalents, and most maintain nothing near their old borders. I can add places like Gaul if you like, but to what extent? I just feel as though the modern countries are better in this instance. -New California Ahoy Bear of the North Star lapel pin.png FO76 Red star pin.png "Who are you, that do not know their history?" 20:36, November 6, 2020 (UTC)

Spare the Cutter[edit source]

Could be. However, if you don't understand a section, don't edit it, since that can do more harm than benefit. Tägäżïël 16:45, November 7, 2020 (UTC)

Signature[edit source]

I think you can just add four tildes in source editor (~~~~) like normal. These changes are pretty wild. I feel new all over again! -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 22:19, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I noticed the discussion thing, super weird. Discussions seem to have a bunch of quirks like that but you would know better, you are way more active than I am. I like reading your posts on there, by the way, they always crack me up. Oh and the new word for admin is sysop I guess, because of the recent changes. I think it is a weird word, but I guess I will get used to it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 08:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

NCRA wars[edit source]

Hey Brane, what's funny is the random place to shove a list of wars. :P

I've integrated it into the lead and the history section to make it flow better, rather than have it pop up randomly after the Technology section. Tägäżïël 11:15, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Gotcha. My fault for not integrating them better. :) Tägäżïël 15:54, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Infobox stuff[edit source]

Yo Brane, hope the UCP is treating you well, took em half the day to get me back online and the rest just me adjusting. Anyway, don't suppose you noticed that sometimes when you're done editing an infobox there's all sorts of extras tacked on when you're done. It's harmless stuff that doesn't interfere with anything but thought I should mention it. Have you played around with the gadgets in your preferences? Made things so much more user friendly for me :D -Tribal Wisdom TribalWisdom(colour).png Tawlk ta me! 12:10, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

I know what you mean, the first day I was like "oh god no..." I didn't know where to start on anything at all.
This is what I've got going on at the moment. I don't know if it'll suit you but it works well enough for me, although I have no dropdowns for links, so I go by memory right now... *sigh*
That said, fingers crossed these are just teething troubles and nothing long term... hopefully...
-Tribal Wisdom TribalWisdom(colour).png Tawlk ta me! 12:44, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
You're welcome, it's worth a shot if you're having trouble. I'm not sure if the auto-suggest is something I've changed or what, I got it working on the the visual editor but I've never managed to get my head around that style of editing lol -Tribal Wisdom TribalWisdom(colour).png Tawlk ta me! 14:54, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Call to Action[edit source]

There have been quite a few sweeping changes to the wiki lately, and now that the Unified Community Platform has come to fruition here, it's more important than ever for our leadership to get together and inspire innovative changes for the next generation of wiki editors/readers.

As someone who is somewhat inactive myself, I understand how life gets in the way, and I'll fully understand if many of you are unable to commit, but I'd still like to try my best to appeal to you all in getting involved in a few of our currently active projects; especially so since rights-users participating in our discussions/votes are at an all-time low, and many internal decisions are having to be made between a select few users, which is bad for building consensus on important matters.

As such, I would like to ask for you all to look into two of our most important projects right now, as it would mean a lot to me and the wiki if as many people as possible got directly involved in helping shape our future:

  1. The Vault Academy is a program for the training and acclimation of new and even veteran users, training them on how to get involved in the various facets of the wiki, as well as helping them build bonds with their fellow users. The program has kicked off in a big way, and we are in desperate need of more rights-users to sign on as mentors, as we're having to share multiple mentees between each mentor. If you're looking to leave your mark on the wiki, then signing onto TVA program will be your way of doing so.
  2. As a minor update, we now have a new plagiarism point of contact. Should you suspect plagiarized content is at play, please get into point with the user FDekker who will be the initial handler of all such cases going forward.
  3. We have an upcoming meeting of the minds coming up on the 20th of this month, and we need people to come forth and pitch their ideas for adapting to the recent UCP changes, and to possibly adopt some of the ideas that our new datamining friends have been pitching to us.

Thanks for your consideration, and I do hope to hear back from you all! Even if it is just some of you dropping by to check the place out and say a quick hello. 寧靜 Fox.png 14:11, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Gourd blossom edit[edit source]

Hello there, i think there is a misunderstanding regarding the gourd blossom around mass fusion shed, there are only 6 in total, i described the first group of 3, thereof 2 below the cliff and 1 atop. Im not a native speaker so you can edit it as you see it fit, but make sure that it is only 6 total :)

Rad Resistant Perk FO4[edit source]

Hi, you reverted my edit that there's no difference in Survival. My edit was based on testing to confirm reports of this in the wild. Have you tested and observed that there is a difference? I see no difference. The game reports no difference in the Perk chart nor in stated RR values in Pip Boy nor in observed radiation damage rates. Spikezarkspike (talk) 17:00, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Also the Note you have reverted to was added by an anonymous user on 24 Oct 2019. A simple check of the Perk chart in vanilla Survival will confirm this Note was always incorrect. Spikezarkspike (talk) 17:51, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments, I'll revert and amend as you suggested.You are right that opening phrase is a bit of a red flag! Spikezarkspike (talk) 01:28, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Perks for food items[edit source]

Hey there. I see you reverted the addition I just made to the corn article. That's fine. However, if the consensus is that perks which modify the effects of food items should NOT be included in the infobox, then we should probably change this for ALL the food items, for consistency's sake. Right now it's a mixture, with more articles having perks listed than not. --Ultimate Frog-Man (talk) 23:40, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Minor Holdings.[edit source]

I don't only have sources from the developers themselves. I've brought sources from the game itself that completely prove that Caesar is lying at the same time. You're just choosing to ignore them and be a hypocrite. Jed Masterson literally flat-out tells us that Utah is a completely lawless Hellscape that's bursting at the seams with Raiders, bandits, hostile tribes and local warlords with very little in the form of civilization and stability.

Something that completely contradicts everything that we know about Legion-controlled territory which is supposed to be safe, orderly and incredibly stable. Both Joshua Graham and Daniel tell us that the Legion has absolutely no presence of any kind in the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument, Dead Horse Point State Park, Zion National Park, the Great Basin region and the Colorado Plateau region in Utah.

All of these areas are either directly on or next to the Arizona-Utah state border and encompass vast swathes of territory in Utah. If the Legion doesn't even control these areas, then obviously their presence in Utah is nowhere near as extensive as Caesar claims. The entire Honest Hearts DLC is literally a giant slap in the face to the assertion that the Legion has any meaningful influence in Utah, you just choose to deliberately ignore it because you can't seem to comprehend the fact that Caesar could very well be lying.

Let's compare our sources, shall we? Your source: a lying, grandstanding charlatan who claims to be a living God, claims that all of his ideas were divinely ordained to him by the Roman God of War himself and is easily the greatest plagiarist in history.

My sources: an honest trader whose caravan company has extensively traveled all across Utah and has seen first-hand the true state-of-affairs in the state as well as 2 men of God (one of whom literally helped FOUND AND CREATE the Legion and was its second-in-command for nearly its ENTIRE EXISTENCE) who have lived in Utah most of their lives, are currently living there and can tell us from first-hand experience the true state of Utah and are literally forbidden by their own faith to lie.

And do you want to know the best part about my sources? NONE OF THEM HAVE ANY REASON TO LIE. Even Joshua Graham wouldn't have cause to downsize the Legion given that he's both forgiven Caesar and doesn't show any serious forms of hostility or animosity towards the Legion should he be asked about them.

Your source, on the other hand, has a history of lying, plagiarism and grandstanding under his belt and literally built an entire society off of nothing but lies. Anybody with a purely objective point of view would rightfully point out the superiority of my sources to yours so if you're as objective as you say you are, you'll leave the minor part in the article. Otherwise, you're just being hypocritical and engaging in double standards.

One last thing before I wrap this up: the New Canaanites are not only able to successfully flee as far as Colorado, but are also able to wage a successful guerilla war against the White Legs in Colorado, as well, in 1 of the potential endings of Honest Hearts. Answer me this: if the Legion's presence in Colorado is so extensive and all-encompassing, then why are the New Canaanites able to pull all of that off in what's supposed to be their territory? Obviously the Legion's presence in Colorado isn't so extensive in Colorado, either. --TheChonChon (talk)-- 10:15 November 19, 2020 (UTC)

Zusk[edit source]

For future reference, when deleting good faith articles, it's considered good practice to move that content to the author's sandbox first so that their time isn't wasted entirely. I temporarily restored the Colossus article and transferred its contents to their sandbox. 寧靜 Fox.png 23:08, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

No problem! It's one of those things you don't naturally think about until you get into the habit of it. Happy editing. 寧靜 Fox.png 23:25, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Infobox junk[edit source]

I think it is coming from some sort of error for people who use visual editor. I use source editor, and I just deleted it out of the infoox like I would anything else. I reported it to the thread for UCP problems so hopefully it will not be a problem forever! :) -kdarrow Pickman heart.png take her for a spin! 21:48, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Mature[edit source]

Wow, how mature. If you're idea of "bitching and moaning" is rightfully pointing out that you deliberately cherry pick whatever sources you deem to be infallible and beyond refutation while completely ignoring anything and everything else that directly contradicts it (even other primary sources in-game, at that) then quite frankly YOU'RE the one with the problem, not me.

I've tried properly debating you through proper channels and tried to come to reasonable solutions with you in the past, you just choose to deliberately ignore me and blow off my messages. And by the way, I don't have an issue with anybody else here but you.

If you're not always breathing down my neck and reverting almost every edit that I make (nevermind that I'm almost always right, in the end) then you display a rather chronic lack of lore knowledge (at least related to F:NV) when reverting my edits that I'm always forced to correct (provided that you don't just outright ignore me, that is).

I've already made my arguments and provided a wealth of sources to back them up. If you have an issue with them, then properly refute them and prove them incorrect. Otherwise, quit with the double standards and hypocrisy and recognize that perhaps you're incorrect on this topic. Then perhaps we can put this nonsense behind us and focus on getting along better. --TheChonChon (talk)-- 9:03 November 24, 2020 (UTC)

Utah[edit source]

Wow, that's just incredibly rich. You accuse me of having a "weak argument" and yet your entire argument literally just amounts to "because Caesar says so". Caesar, the man who claims to be a living god, who claims to have everything ordained to him from Mars himself and who has committed the grandest act of plagiarism in history, is all of a sudden a flawless arbiter of truth, now?

I've already made my case on this and you'll probably just ignore this anyways, but it hasn't occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, Caesar is deliberately exaggerating the extent of his control? Now does that mean that we have to completely disregard everything that he has to say? Of course not. But we obviously can't take a known grandstanding charlatan's word at face value but rather must take everything he says with a pinch of salt.

My argument doesn't just amount to "Raiders are everywhere". The Legion very clearly doesn't control areas that are directly on or next to the Arizona-Utah state border (look at a map of Utah sometime and see just how massive the Great Basin region and the Colorado Plateau region are; the Utah portions of those regions alone are absolutely enormous) not to mention that even enemies of the Legion (most prominently the New Canaanites, the Dead Horses, the Sorrows and even the NCR, who once set up a military outpost in Utah at the former Ft. Aradesh) can move across Utah with absolute impunity (save the NCR, who lost what is now Ft. Abandon to the Legion years ago).

All of which serves to directly contradict Caesar's obviously false claims, at the end of the day. And here's some links on the Great Basin region and the Colorado Plateau region to get you started. -- TheChonChon (talk)-- 9:52 November 24, 2020

Myriad[edit source]

Unfortunately I've been in similar debates before, and I've come to realize that there's a rather large group of people who feel very strongly about how the word 'myriad' properly applies to a sentence. Personally I didn't mind the word being replaced since it's better to use simple language, but the changes made were a compromise, and if you can think of better wording, then you are free to change it around further. 寧靜 Fox.png 20:07, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Cold War[edit source]

I edited the page to reflect the fact that we do not know the precise details of what happened beyond a single, off-hand reference in the notoriously unreliable Official Game Guide. Noting that it references the real-life Cold War could be useful, but we should make it clear that there is no real information on how it went down in the world of Fallout, if it went down at all. Tägäżïël 18:11, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Utah Revisited[edit source]

Again, "Because Caesar says so" isn't an argument. I find it absolutely hilarious that you keep claiming that "I haven't proven Caesar wrong" (nevermind that I have many times over with evidence that you choose to deliberately ignore out of some obsession with Caesar being some arbiter of truth, but I digress) and yet you yourself haven't provided so much as a shred of evidence to prove that his claims are correct. We literally know next to nothing about Utah outside of the fact that it's very clearly NOT under anybody's definitive control and is obviously a completely lawless No Man's Land. If you can't accept what the game itself tells us is a FACT, then feel free to prove it wrong. Otherwise, enough with your "Because Caesar says so" "argument". Cheers. -- TheChonChon (talk)-- 3:44 November 29, 2020

Brotherhood of Zeal[edit source]

Yeah we're in the process of validating it right now - just confirmed that it is an event in 76, but the information isn't entirely accurate. One of the dataminers should be along shortly to clean that article up and have it ready for the wiki. 寧靜 Fox.png 10:17, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

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