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Can we, pretty please, live without "might be references"? Why add reference unless it is definite or confirmed? --[[User:Rowaasr13|Rowaasr13]] 10:59, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
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:Besides it's more likely a reference to the "Gremlins" series of movies. Remember? Don't feed the MAOGUAI! -Accountless Avenger
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==Familial==
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''Familial'' (adj): of, or relating to, a family; "family-like". This is the correct word, "familiar" is not; yet I see someone had to revert it yet again. Please don't change it just because you are unfamiliar with the word. [[User:Deadlykris|Deadlykris]] 23:57, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
   
::I agree, it's very silly. Being Chinese, it's very easy to hear "monster" when Three Dog says "Yao Guai". Yo-gi doesn't even sound anything like yao-guai! I certainly don't believe an entire species of semi-common enemies is an Easter Egg! [[Special:Contributions/74.14.118.127|74.14.118.127]] 18:10, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
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== Yogi ==
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Just bought FO3 after playing NV. You're missing a name reference. Yao Gui --> Yogi, and is the name of a bear. <_> Why all the fighting on this? It is so obvious.
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See the Archived version of the page for the discussion of the Yogi reference. [[User:Deadlykris|Kris]] [[User talk:Deadlykris|(talk)]] 15:51, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
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::Seriously people, '''stop adding this reference!''' It is '''not valid.''' [[User:Deadlykris|Kris]] [[User talk:Deadlykris|(talk)]] 06:02, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
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::you know this how? reference to where it is said to be invalid?
   
Yeah, seriously. Can we see some citations for that "yogi bear" note? lol
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:::Considering just how many people make this connection unless there is word of god from the game makers I'd say it is a reference LOL
I vote for removing it. [[User:Redsteven|Redsteven]] 23:21, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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:::It doesn't matter that isn't how its pronounced in Chinese, it looks enough like it to seem likely to be its origin. The Chinese definition alone doesn't really lend itself well enough to this animal to be the sole reason IMHO. And considering the other references in fallout this seems perfectly in line with the rest of the game.
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:::If the game makers did say it was not a reference can you post where rather than simply reverting it?
   
The name Yao Guai is definitly a reference to Yu-Gi-Oh; a card there's called Mother Grizzly, and it's a bear so it HAS to be a reference! (For those who didn't understand the sarcasm; I'm not being serious). [[Special:Contributions/213.65.69.18|213.65.69.18]] 21:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
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:::: and considering some of the other speculative references on this site ex: threedog "The name of the character Three Dog might come from a previous character played by his voice actor Erik Todd Dellums, called "Dog 3". Three Dog shares similarities to very many DJ characters from movies and real life, Wolfman Jack chief among them." which are unconfirmed by makers and may be coincidental as well but were allowed through while yogi is constantly taken down the removal of yogi and requirement that this reference be proven rather than disproved seems more based on personal opinion or that somebody just doesn't like it...so I put it back. If there is a good reason it isn't valid please share. If not then it shouldn't be held to higher standards than any other reference listed in this wiki.
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::::: I dunno, for me, the fact that the word is Chinese is enough to stop looking at anything else it may hide. --[[User:TheBearPaw|TheBearPaw]] 12:47, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
   
Yes! The general rule that people are trying to establish in this particular Wiki is that 'Not everything is a cultural reference!' [[User:ThePog|ThePog]] 15:06, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
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Unless they're smarter than the average bear there's no reference.{{User:JASPER42/Sig}} 12:49, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
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They sort of are. Ruzka certainly is.
   
:I'm all for leaving it out, until there's a citation from a reliable source that states that it is indeed a reference to Yogi Bear. If you're going to throw in every "Y might be a reference to X" then the page would be clogged with the insight of every editor on the interwebz. [[User:AzureSN|AzureSN]] 18:38, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
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Another connection is species. Not only are Yao Guai and Yogi similar looking names and both bears, but they are both the same type of bear. The Yao Guai are descended from the area's black bears. Yogi and BooBoo are brown phase black bears. [[User:StormPetrel|StormPetrel]]
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:::::Considering just how many people make this connection unless there is word of god from the game makers I'd say it is a reference LOL It doesn't matter that isn't how its pronounced in Chinese, it looks enough like it to seem likely to be its origin. The Chinese definition alone doesn't really lend itself well enough to this animal to be the sole reason IMHO. And considering the other references in fallout this seems perfectly in line with the rest of the game. If the game makers did say it was not a reference can you post where rather than simply reverting it? and considering some of the other speculative references on this site ex: threedog "The name of the character Three Dog might come from a previous character played by his voice actor Erik Todd Dellums, called "Dog 3". Three Dog shares similarities to very many DJ characters from movies and real life, Wolfman Jack chief among them." which are unconfirmed by makers and may be coincidental as well but were allowed through while yogi is constantly taken down the removal of yogi and requirement that this reference be proven rather than disproved seems more based on personal opinion or that somebody just doesn't like it...so I put it back. If there is a good reason it isn't valid please share. If not then it shouldn't be held to higher standards than any other reference listed in this wiki. Bear in Chinese is xiong. Not Yao Guai.Yaoguai (妖怪 pinyin yāoguài) or yaomo (妖魔 yāomó, literally, "demon") or yaojing (妖精 yāojīng, literally, "sprite" or "seductive") is a Chinese term that generally means "demon". Yaoguai are mostly malevolent animal spirits or fallen celestial beings that have acquired magical powers through the practice of Taoism. The evil ones are usually referred to as guài (literally, "freak") or mó (literally, "demon") in Chinese. Their greatest goal is achieving immortality and thus deification. In Journey to the West, the demons seek this mostly by the abduction and consumption of a holy man”The bear does not appear to be attempting to achieve immortality, so its probably being used to mean “malevolent animal/demon” But this definition doesn’t seem to be enough for them to choose it for the bear. Especially considering fallout 3 takes place in America with all the other things named in English. It's just a reference that works on more than one level, they're oh-so cleaver over there at Bethesda, Yes, it doesn't mean bear in Chinese, it's merely a name given to the creature to describe its nature as a big scary mutant enemy, and there are enough Chinese in the game to make it plausible this animal would be named in that language rather than English, however there are dozens of names for the bears that they could have come up with, Chinese, English or otherwise. They obviously picked this one for a reason Yao Guai means demon. So why make them bears, if not to make a horrible play on words with Yogi Bear? Yao Guai is not pronounced like Yogi, I know. But it looks similar enough as text, That's why I call it a "horrible" play on words. So many people have seen the connection that I would be inclined to believe it was intentional. If Bethesda has denied the reference as claimed in the archived talk page for the love of god cite a source lol, I searched extensively and was unable to find anything showing they have. ~~
   
== familial ==
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::::::Agreed with the above. Yao Guai (妖怪) is more than certainly a Chinese derivation for, roughly, monster or demon. Another word that means demon in Chinese is 魔怪(notice the same second character) and roughly pronounced 'Mogwai' which was used in the film 'Gremlins'. Three Dog's advice may have been inspired by the fact that you shouldn't feed a Mogwai after midnight, although in this case, Yao Guais should not be fed at all... I admit the link is a bit weak. Bethesda may have wanted to put a Chinese name in the game and decided against using something that had already been in popular culture already.
   
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/familial
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:With all the other monsters having names like Rad Roach, or Death Claw, or super mutant why pick Yao Guai for the bears unless to make a bad reference? It looks like Yogi and has bonus points for meaning something in Chinese that fits.
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Otherwise it may as well have been a "Death Bear" or "Rad-Bear" or something else more similar to other creature names.[[User:StormPetrel|StormPetrel]]
   
fa⋅mil⋅ial<br>
 
–adjective<br>
 
1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a family: familial ties.
 
   
Thanks for listening, children. --[[User:DarkJeff|DarkJeff]] 16:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)]
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::::I think people who remove the references to "yogi" are silly. Silly enough to believe that this obvious reference to the yogi bear is coincidence. In fact they are probably really stupid, I fear. There were to many good arguments so we can't ignore it. --[[Special:Contributions/217.85.106.214|217.85.106.214]] 18:37, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
   
:And what's this gotta do with anything? -Accountless Avenger
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How does Yao Guai sound like Yogi? i always though Yao Guai was pronounced Yow Gwuy(Like a lisped "guy") which sounds nothing like yogi, i cant believe people are even debating this, there's clearly no reference
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--[[User:.22-Shooter|.22-Shooter]] ([[User talk:.22-Shooter|talk]]) 23:52, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
   
::While I'm not the one who wrote familial, someone KEEPS changing it to familiar, which in the context of the sentence it's used doesn't even make sense. --[[User:DarkJeff|DarkJeff]] 21:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
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== Tactics Section ==
   
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Sould these two points
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*Although Yao Guai are very fast, they can't turn quickly so when being attacked the player can easily sidestep to dodge the Yao Guai.
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*Although deadly and strong, Yao Guai are killed with ease by [[deathclaw]]s and [[Radscorpion (Fallout 3)#Albino radscorpion (Broken Steel)|albino radscorpion]]s. be moved to a tactics section because i personally do not think they belong in the notes or trivia section
   
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==Mange?==
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Someone added a note about the Yao Guai suffering from mange due to radiation. Where did this come from? Is the info extrapolated from their scarred skin they supposedly have been scratching or smth? If so, that's just some personal speculation as the wounds may be from past battles or anything else. Therefore, I removed the bit. --[[User:TheBearPaw|TheBearPaw]] 11:02, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
   
== Yao Guai Tactic ==
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U R MISSING REFRENCE
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YOGI BEAR, YAOGUI BEAR. LOL SO OBVIOUS BUT PAGE LOKED(Y?) CANNOT FIX LOL U'L NEED TO DO IT 4 ME
An easy strategy for melee characters (and also any other character that finds themselves jumped by a Yao) is to just take out a Ripper and circle around it while letting the knife do its work. I've done it numerous times without sustaining damage. I just hate it when the VATS slow-down allows the Yao to pounce on you. --[[User:Penumbra|Penumbra]] 06:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::I'd say. After wiping my old save files and starting over on normal difficulty, I encountered a Yao Guai at ''level 2''. What the hell, Bethesda?! I managed to baton him into submission, barely. It's important to use 3rd person for close combat, since you turn a lot faster, and they can't quite match it. (A Wanderer) 23:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 
:::: I just used the Animal Friend perk. Best strategy there is if you ask me. [[User:OPM|OPM]] 13:35, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== 01:24, 11 January 2009 edit by 74.235.216.41 ==
 
 
Personally... I think it's an AWESOME edit. It's hilarious, and I agree with it.
 
 
I suspect someone will change it back and consider it vandalism, but what does everybody else think? :)
 
[[User:Redsteven|Redsteven]] 02:21, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Alright, another person further edited the part about Yogi bear, and I still think it's ridiculous. Nobody else seems interested in discussing it, so I'm just removing it entirely. [[User:Redsteven|Redsteven]] 17:40, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== A Notch too Far ==
 
 
Just an hour ago,I was fighting a Yao Guai outside MPDL Power Station.I was to the left of the station and a Yao Guai (2 o'the bastards,actually) pounced on me.Mid pounce,I shot him and the bastardly beast flew over the station,over the Billboard,over the street and then landed outside of the road,in a ditch.It took me 14 minutes to find him.I think this was a glitch or a damn good jump.I think this also breaks the record,too.I'm very serious.This was a true story. [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] 03:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
(Laughs until coughs)...thank the ragdoll physics. Something along those lines happened to me, too. I think its funny to watch a headless mutated bear fly at Mach 1 from Lucky's near Tenpenny Tower nearly to Megaton (so no, you didn't break MY record...keep trying though) A Yao Guai's ragdoll is incredibly rigid; only the neck and arms move much. So, when you blast it with, say, a combat shotgun, and it is leaping toward you, usually the thing grabs enough air to propel it a LONG WAY AWAY. When bored and with friends, try saving in front of a 'Guai and taking turns using different ways to send it to space (my seventh try holds my group's "Guai Ball" distance record)...'FORE!!! -- The Seasoned Gamer
 
 
== huge jump ==
 
 
i shot a yao guia with a combat shotgun and it flew straight up, into the air, and dissapeared for about 3 seconds and came back down a few feet infront of me
 
why do they go so far and high?
 
 
i made 1 do a triple bakflip:)
 
 
: I reckon it's a problem with their ragdoll skeleton being too inflexible, it's a bit like playing billiard. [[User:Golan2781|Golan2781]] 19:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Megaton ==
 
 
Quick lil unimportant question here: Is it normal for these things to spawn near Megaton? I fought 3 of the things extremely close to Megaton, a place I've never heard of them being encountered at.--[[User:SharpstarofFireClan|SharpstarofFireClan]] 03:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== black bear ==
 
 
I remember reading/hearing somewhere in game that they "may have descended from the region's Black Bear population", can anyone help me out here?
 
[[User:Atomic645|Atomic645]] 22:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 
:Yes, I think it says that on the loading screen. [[User:Fat Man Spoon|Fat Man Spoon]] 13:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 
   
 
== Ruzka ==
 
== Ruzka ==
   
Should it be added in the article that Yao Guai can apparently survive for hundreds of years like other creatures effected by FEV? I believe theres much more proof pointing to this than any Yogi Bear references, and would actually fit with the game. I'd also like to ask, does anyone know if Yao Guai's are sterile like Ghouls and Super Mutants? Or are they like other animals like Deathclaws and Mirelurks, where we know they're able to reproduce?--[[User:Moltenfungus|Moltenfungus]] 14:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
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Is it worth adding Ruzka to the list of Yao Guai variations, or is he just a normal Yao Guai with a name? [[User:Yes-Man|Yes-Man]] 10:30, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
:Deathclaws reproduce? <shudders> We don't know that little Ruzka '''''is''''' the original bear, it is only implied. [[User:Nitpicker of the Wastes|Nitpicker of the Wastes]] 14:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
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:We did that a while ago, before we agreed that she's a creature characters, which means that she stays her own page. Same goes for [[Ghost of She]]. [[User:Kastera1000|Kastera]] <sup>[[User talk:Kastera1000|(talk)]]</sup> 17:07, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
::I think that a type of animal ghoulification took place in ruzka's case. I don't think this may be the case with all Yao Guai, bit it is possible. The world may never know...--[[User:Hollow Points|Hollow Points]] 02:37, October 24, 2009 (UTC)Hollow Points
 
 
== increase in population? ==
 
 
is it normal after encountering a couple to start running into them everywhere in the wastes(with the exception being the dc ruins), i continue to run into them in pairs constantly since i've first seen them, thankfully i've never ran into a trio as this article referenced to but it's becoming insane, i literally was walking up to a wastelander roaming the wastes, and just as i closed in, a yao guai jumped out and killed him right in front of me(probably saved my life since i've been attacked from behind by these things and killed in the process) anyone else having this problem? [[Special:Contributions/32.139.206.11|32.139.206.11]] 03:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC) liquidwater
 
 
The higher your level the more you'll find out in the wastes. It's to replace most of the weaker enemies like the wild dogs and mole rats --[[User:Moltenfungus|Moltenfungus]] 03:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Bug kind of thing ==
 
 
im not sure where it was i cant remember but i saw a yao guai so i went towards it to kill it but i then noticed it had a black line coming from its head and it went all the way into the sky, when it moved it was still there like some kind of rope or something, then when i killed it it continued to have it sticking out of its head so i took a photo. the line was only like 3cm thick on my tv screen and became more dominant at different angles, do you have any idea why this would have happened
 
 
Standard graphical glitch. [[User:Fat Man Spoon|Spoon]] 15:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Strategy Section ==
 
I thought we didn't include strategy pages, because of the differences in play styles. Anyone? --[[User:RedTracer7|RedTracer7]] 21:26, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Cartoon Reference? ==
 
 
Hell no! It is CHINESE!!! It has abso-fucking-lutely NOTHING to do with that god damned Yogi Bear!!!--[[User:ASL93ratjar|ASL93ratjar]] 22:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:I don't know. One chased me for three hours until I dropped my pic-ah-nic basket. -[[User:DragonJTS|DragonJTS]]<sup>[[User talk:DragonJTS|Leave me a message]]</sup> 22:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 
:Sorry, it does. YaO GuaI. [[User:MikaelGrizzly|That Furry Bastard]] 22:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Dude! IT IS CHINESE!!! China made their words and phrases BEFORE that cartoon was made. So maybe YOGI BEAR is a reference to chinese! No. Nevermind. No chance. Still, no reference on fallout's part.
 
:Has it occured to you that Bethesda might've chosen that particular term because of it's meaning AND because it's a reference to Yogi? [[User:MikaelGrizzly|That Furry Bastard]] 23:45, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Yes. about the meaning. i just don't see any connection with Yao Guai ang Yogi.--[[User:ASL93ratjar|ASL93ratjar]] 23:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Yeah, there's no way in hell a bear is connected with a bear. :\ No way! No way at all, nuh uh. No sir'y bob.--[[User:OfficerBlue|OfficerBlue]] 08:36, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
So you are saying that everything is a reference to everything else? Maybe you should think before you speak, or type, I should say. A bear is an animal in real life, not just on a cartoon. So again, i DO NOT see a connection with Yao Guai and Yogi.--[[User:ASL93ratjar|ASL93ratjar]] 22:04, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Unless i hear different i, am entitled to '''my''' opinion--[[User:OfficerBlue|OfficerBlue]] 22:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
And I encourage you to have your own, no matter how much I may disagree.--[[User:ASL93ratjar|ASL93ratjar]] 22:10, 7 May
 
2009 (UTC)
 
 
Bear in Chinese is xiong. Not Yao Guai. It is 100% a reference to yogi bear. ASL93ratjar = fool
 
 
Yaoguai (妖怪 pinyin yāoguài) or yaomo (妖魔 yāomó, literally, "demon") or yaojing (妖精 yāojīng, literally, "sprite" or "seductive") is a Chinese term that generally means "demon". Yaoguai are mostly malevolent animal spirits or fallen celestial beings that have acquired magical powers through the practice of Taoism. The evil ones are usually referred to as guài (literally, "freak") or mó (literally, "demon") in Chinese. Their greatest goal is achieving immortality and thus deification. In Journey to the West, the demons seek this mostly by the abduction and consumption of a holy man (in this case, Xuanzang). Here is the definition. It means 'Demon'. Make what you will. [[User:Fat Man Spoon|Fat Man Spoon]] 18:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Thank you very much Mister Spoon. I NEVER said that Yao Guai was ''bear'' in chinese. I merely stated that it was chinese. So, before any anonymous douches want to call me names, make sure you know what I ACTUALLY said. And better yet, make sure you know what the hell you're talking about.--[[User:ASL93ratjar|ASL93ratjar]] 22:07, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
whoever said there, ratjar is a fool.... LOL IDIOT. EAT YOUR OWN FAILS.--[[Special:Contributions/85.0.89.178|85.0.89.178]] 22:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
It's just a reference that works on more than one level, they're oh-so cleaver over there at Bethesda, so no need to take this so far. Yes, it doesn't mean bear in Chinese, it's merely a name given to the creature to describe its nature toward prey items, and it's reasonable because of the high Chinese presence in FO3, however, there are dozens of names for the bears that they could have come up with, Chinese, English or otherwise. They obviously picked this one for a reason, Mr. Ranger, Sir!--[[User:DashMan54|DashMan54]] 13:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Please can we just get over it or just refer the readers to the discussion screen if they want to see an all-out war over one measly sentence. --[[User:Mandalore IV|Mandalore IV]] 07:13, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
A final note, the main argument seems that it's similarity is in its pronounciation. Yao Guai is pronounced "yow-gwigh", not "yow-gwee". The similarity is more coincidence than anything, considering the definition of malevolent animal spirit. In Chinese, there really is only one way to say "irradiated mutant monster beastie".
 
 
Bethesda has denied that Yao Guai has anything to do with a cartoon bear. The pronunciation /yau-gwai/ sounds nothing like /yo-gee/
 
 
==Reopening the Yogi Can of Worms because of recent edits==
 
 
So, I might be re-opening the whole can of worms here, but let me try to explain my reasoning (the same reasoning as on the cultural references page).
 
*Yao Guai means demon. So why make them bears, if not to make a horrible play on words with Yogi Bear?
 
*Yao Guai is not pronounced like Yogi, I know. That's why I call it a "horrible" play on words.
 
*I did not think this was legit, but so many people have seen the connection that I began to wonder, and now I give Bethesda the benefit of the doubt. (I've also come to realize how unsophisticated the sense of humor in the game is, so I find this barely believable reference now believable.)
 
That's my reasoning. However, if the comment directly above mine is true (about Bethesda denying the reference), please, please someone cite a source! I would love to put this to rest forever.
 
Without a Bethesda statement, however, I am currently on the side of leaving it in.--[[User:Gothemasticator|Gothemasticator]] 06:55, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:I tend to disagree. Normally if you say, something is an intended reference (or make any other factual claim), it is up to you to prove it. Just claiming something and the waiting until someone cares to disprove it (which is not possible in a case like this anyway) and until then acting "as if" true, just doesn't do the trick. --[[Special:Contributions/93.232.178.105|93.232.178.105]] 19:11, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::Fine with me. I'm going to leave it out from now on.--[[User:Gothemasticator|Gothemasticator]] 20:38, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
===Yao-Ghoul?===
 
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Using [[Ruzka]] of Point Lookout as evidence I think that the Yao Guai are Ghoulified bears. I think their appearance is nothing to do with mutations passed down through generations but down to their ghoulification. They look like ghouls, sickly, rotten looking flesh, little hair and those creepy, creepy eyes. It might also explain why we never see any Yao Guai cubs in the Yao Guai Tunnels; which would be a place to see them, being their home cave and all.--[[User:A Pickering|A Pickering]] 21:47, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
:No. Yao-Guai are mutated bears, ''descended'' from the local black bear population. They are not ghouls, Ruzka is an unique exception to the rule. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif [[User:MikaelGrizzly|<sub>Tagaziel</sub>]] <sup>([[User talk:MikaelGrizzly|call!]])</sup> 23:20, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
::I'd never thought about that until Tagaziel mentioned the word 'descended' which ''does'' come up in the loading screens.
 
 
== Yao Guai Noises ==
 
   
I have the Animal Friend perk and near every time I see a Guai I have to go near it, I just love the animal animations when they're not in conflict (Molerats standing or digging, Dogs sitting down etc.) but I just love to sit next to one and listen to its noise for a second before running off. Especially in the Den where the sound just emanates from everywhere, it's such an awesome noise!
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I think we should at least mention Ruzka in here in case someone is looking for some sort of "unique yao guai". Considering it ''is'' a variant of yao guai, i don't suppose it would hurt to add Ruzka to the variants, in addition to keeping the official Ruzka page.
   
== Liquid bear bug ==
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== Notable yao Guai ==
   
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I feel that having a notable yao Guai section, regardless of how silly it may be, is better than mentioning Ruzka in the opening paragraph, which I feel looks wrong and seems poorly written. [[User:Richie9999|Richie9999]] ([[User talk:Richie9999|talk]]) 03:31, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
   
One of the two yao guais near the VAPL-84 Power Station seems to lose whatever is holding its body parts togehter when looked upon at long range. The head, torso and limbs of the creature rolls away as if cut of while the skin is still connected but stretched out between the body parts.
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This is the only thing that killed me in Fallout 3. For real. [[Special:Contributions/67.142.173.21|67.142.173.21]] 14:31, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
   
If you walk closer to, or kill the yao guai, it snaps back to its normal posture.
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==Yao Guai and Mole Rat Companions==
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Northwest of Vault 101 there is a yao guai and a mole rat wandering together. I came upon them being attacked by a robot. Sadly the mole rat was killed before I was able to kill the robot. Having the Animal Friend perk I went up to the yao guai that was acting strange. It lay down on the mole rat and cuddled it twice while making low soft noises. It then wandered off. It appears obvious this was specially done AI as a sort of Easter egg.
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BTW, I've got a screenshot of this. Oceaxe (I'm sort of the human equivalent of Tabitha) 10:30, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
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* Checked GECK. Yao Guai have this snuggle hug animation Oceaxe (I'm sort of the human equivalent of Tabitha) 09:48, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

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FamilialEdit

Familial (adj): of, or relating to, a family; "family-like". This is the correct word, "familiar" is not; yet I see someone had to revert it yet again. Please don't change it just because you are unfamiliar with the word. Deadlykris 23:57, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yogi Edit

Just bought FO3 after playing NV. You're missing a name reference. Yao Gui --> Yogi, and is the name of a bear. <_> Why all the fighting on this? It is so obvious. See the Archived version of the page for the discussion of the Yogi reference. Kris (talk) 15:51, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Seriously people, stop adding this reference! It is not valid. Kris (talk) 06:02, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
you know this how? reference to where it is said to be invalid?
Considering just how many people make this connection unless there is word of god from the game makers I'd say it is a reference LOL
It doesn't matter that isn't how its pronounced in Chinese, it looks enough like it to seem likely to be its origin. The Chinese definition alone doesn't really lend itself well enough to this animal to be the sole reason IMHO. And considering the other references in fallout this seems perfectly in line with the rest of the game.
If the game makers did say it was not a reference can you post where rather than simply reverting it?
and considering some of the other speculative references on this site ex: threedog "The name of the character Three Dog might come from a previous character played by his voice actor Erik Todd Dellums, called "Dog 3". Three Dog shares similarities to very many DJ characters from movies and real life, Wolfman Jack chief among them." which are unconfirmed by makers and may be coincidental as well but were allowed through while yogi is constantly taken down the removal of yogi and requirement that this reference be proven rather than disproved seems more based on personal opinion or that somebody just doesn't like it...so I put it back. If there is a good reason it isn't valid please share. If not then it shouldn't be held to higher standards than any other reference listed in this wiki.
I dunno, for me, the fact that the word is Chinese is enough to stop looking at anything else it may hide. --TheBearPaw 12:47, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Unless they're smarter than the average bear there's no reference.JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 12:49, December 21, 2010 (UTC) They sort of are. Ruzka certainly is.

Another connection is species. Not only are Yao Guai and Yogi similar looking names and both bears, but they are both the same type of bear. The Yao Guai are descended from the area's black bears. Yogi and BooBoo are brown phase black bears. StormPetrel

Considering just how many people make this connection unless there is word of god from the game makers I'd say it is a reference LOL It doesn't matter that isn't how its pronounced in Chinese, it looks enough like it to seem likely to be its origin. The Chinese definition alone doesn't really lend itself well enough to this animal to be the sole reason IMHO. And considering the other references in fallout this seems perfectly in line with the rest of the game. If the game makers did say it was not a reference can you post where rather than simply reverting it? and considering some of the other speculative references on this site ex: threedog "The name of the character Three Dog might come from a previous character played by his voice actor Erik Todd Dellums, called "Dog 3". Three Dog shares similarities to very many DJ characters from movies and real life, Wolfman Jack chief among them." which are unconfirmed by makers and may be coincidental as well but were allowed through while yogi is constantly taken down the removal of yogi and requirement that this reference be proven rather than disproved seems more based on personal opinion or that somebody just doesn't like it...so I put it back. If there is a good reason it isn't valid please share. If not then it shouldn't be held to higher standards than any other reference listed in this wiki. Bear in Chinese is xiong. Not Yao Guai.Yaoguai (妖怪 pinyin yāoguài) or yaomo (妖魔 yāomó, literally, "demon") or yaojing (妖精 yāojīng, literally, "sprite" or "seductive") is a Chinese term that generally means "demon". Yaoguai are mostly malevolent animal spirits or fallen celestial beings that have acquired magical powers through the practice of Taoism. The evil ones are usually referred to as guài (literally, "freak") or mó (literally, "demon") in Chinese. Their greatest goal is achieving immortality and thus deification. In Journey to the West, the demons seek this mostly by the abduction and consumption of a holy man”The bear does not appear to be attempting to achieve immortality, so its probably being used to mean “malevolent animal/demon” But this definition doesn’t seem to be enough for them to choose it for the bear. Especially considering fallout 3 takes place in America with all the other things named in English. It's just a reference that works on more than one level, they're oh-so cleaver over there at Bethesda, Yes, it doesn't mean bear in Chinese, it's merely a name given to the creature to describe its nature as a big scary mutant enemy, and there are enough Chinese in the game to make it plausible this animal would be named in that language rather than English, however there are dozens of names for the bears that they could have come up with, Chinese, English or otherwise. They obviously picked this one for a reason Yao Guai means demon. So why make them bears, if not to make a horrible play on words with Yogi Bear? Yao Guai is not pronounced like Yogi, I know. But it looks similar enough as text, That's why I call it a "horrible" play on words. So many people have seen the connection that I would be inclined to believe it was intentional. If Bethesda has denied the reference as claimed in the archived talk page for the love of god cite a source lol, I searched extensively and was unable to find anything showing they have. ~~
Agreed with the above. Yao Guai (妖怪) is more than certainly a Chinese derivation for, roughly, monster or demon. Another word that means demon in Chinese is 魔怪(notice the same second character) and roughly pronounced 'Mogwai' which was used in the film 'Gremlins'. Three Dog's advice may have been inspired by the fact that you shouldn't feed a Mogwai after midnight, although in this case, Yao Guais should not be fed at all... I admit the link is a bit weak. Bethesda may have wanted to put a Chinese name in the game and decided against using something that had already been in popular culture already.
With all the other monsters having names like Rad Roach, or Death Claw, or super mutant why pick Yao Guai for the bears unless to make a bad reference? It looks like Yogi and has bonus points for meaning something in Chinese that fits.

Otherwise it may as well have been a "Death Bear" or "Rad-Bear" or something else more similar to other creature names.StormPetrel


I think people who remove the references to "yogi" are silly. Silly enough to believe that this obvious reference to the yogi bear is coincidence. In fact they are probably really stupid, I fear. There were to many good arguments so we can't ignore it. --217.85.106.214 18:37, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

How does Yao Guai sound like Yogi? i always though Yao Guai was pronounced Yow Gwuy(Like a lisped "guy") which sounds nothing like yogi, i cant believe people are even debating this, there's clearly no reference --.22-Shooter (talk) 23:52, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Tactics Section Edit

Sould these two points

  • Although Yao Guai are very fast, they can't turn quickly so when being attacked the player can easily sidestep to dodge the Yao Guai.
  • Although deadly and strong, Yao Guai are killed with ease by deathclaws and albino radscorpions. be moved to a tactics section because i personally do not think they belong in the notes or trivia section

Mange?Edit

Someone added a note about the Yao Guai suffering from mange due to radiation. Where did this come from? Is the info extrapolated from their scarred skin they supposedly have been scratching or smth? If so, that's just some personal speculation as the wounds may be from past battles or anything else. Therefore, I removed the bit. --TheBearPaw 11:02, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

U R MISSING REFRENCE YOGI BEAR, YAOGUI BEAR. LOL SO OBVIOUS BUT PAGE LOKED(Y?) CANNOT FIX LOL U'L NEED TO DO IT 4 ME

Ruzka Edit

Is it worth adding Ruzka to the list of Yao Guai variations, or is he just a normal Yao Guai with a name? Yes-Man 10:30, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

We did that a while ago, before we agreed that she's a creature characters, which means that she stays her own page. Same goes for Ghost of She. Kastera (talk) 17:07, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should at least mention Ruzka in here in case someone is looking for some sort of "unique yao guai". Considering it is a variant of yao guai, i don't suppose it would hurt to add Ruzka to the variants, in addition to keeping the official Ruzka page.

Notable yao Guai Edit

I feel that having a notable yao Guai section, regardless of how silly it may be, is better than mentioning Ruzka in the opening paragraph, which I feel looks wrong and seems poorly written. Richie9999 (talk) 03:31, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

This is the only thing that killed me in Fallout 3. For real. 67.142.173.21 14:31, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Yao Guai and Mole Rat CompanionsEdit

Northwest of Vault 101 there is a yao guai and a mole rat wandering together. I came upon them being attacked by a robot. Sadly the mole rat was killed before I was able to kill the robot. Having the Animal Friend perk I went up to the yao guai that was acting strange. It lay down on the mole rat and cuddled it twice while making low soft noises. It then wandered off. It appears obvious this was specially done AI as a sort of Easter egg. BTW, I've got a screenshot of this. Oceaxe (I'm sort of the human equivalent of Tabitha) 10:30, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

  • Checked GECK. Yao Guai have this snuggle hug animation Oceaxe (I'm sort of the human equivalent of Tabitha) 09:48, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
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