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Well...

Is he black? I just can't tell from the picture. My impression is that he is either black or one of those heavily tanned dreadlocks people you see often in sunny areas (edit: cant say Ive ever seen those people, ever). But I'm just curious to see what the general consensus is... if any.

I wish I knew, man. Oh well, either way the developers are really building up Ulysses, and regardless of skin colour, he is to be the most influenced character in the game. Looking forward to meeting him at the Great Divide.
Yes, judging by the facial feature you can see at the nose, the dreadlocks and the skin colour, it is fairly obvious he is black...

it says his race is African American in the info box

This was written when the only information on him was that he was a deleted companion, and the only picture was that playing card.

Debating the claims of affiliation!

I Challenge the claim that Ulysses is rumored legion spy Joshua Graham mentions, and I debate that, despite the implications of the discussion with Graham, there is insufficient information to declare his legion affiliation on these grounds! If there are any challengers to this challenge, present a better argument than me, if there is anyone who agrees (which is improbable) then help me create a critical mass to maintain a not so easily reversible edit, and possible sweeps for communist subversive infiltrators of the wiki![1] (Troper of the Wastelands 05:41, August 7, 2011 (UTC))

We dont really know what his affiliation is. If you seen his suit he could have been legion,NCR,and even his own having another vision of rebuilding America. And it's "rumored" not fact. only time can tell.Cammax 03:19, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Faction connection

Should any relevance be attached to the fact that his playing card suit is shared with Caesar's Legion?--OvaltinePatrol 01:20, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be reasonable.--Mr.Lexx(talk) 10:32, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have to say I tottaly want this companion to be added with future DLC content. Wanna know why? Well, cause that's my name, too! :D

I knew there was a companion that was from the ceasers legion!! :D I hope they bring him back. Lone Wolf21 23:19, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

If he is a companion, I hope he doesn't care that you shoot Legion on sight because Legion r f4gs Samiam22 04:04, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

There's no call for hate speech, especially since it is not relevant to improving the article. Wickedjacob 13:29, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

I presume he was a courier who worked for the legion, taking delivery tasks for the Legion while staying clear of the politics. He probably was warned by one of Caesar's messengers that the Platinum Chip will lead him to his doom and instead just worked for the Legion until the current events Gyrobot 21:14, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Based on a recording in Old World Blues where he argues with Christine that neither Bull nor Bear are adequate future prospects, and based on evidence that connects him with Caesar’s Legion, I would assume it is possible he was involved with that faction – and possibly the NCR – in order to learn more about them for his future plans, whatever they may be.

I think he is the Legion spy Joshua Graham mentioned, I think he travel the land working for the legion and met many different tribes and so how they tried to survive and then were destroyed by Caesar, and he didnt like it since like everyone he saw the legion wouldnt really last beyond the death of Caesar, then he heard about the old world and how ti united many different tribes from across the world and kept them unique but with a common goal, and he believes in that sort of world.He'd been apart of the legion and its not that hard to find out about the NCR and as their enemy for a time he knows just whats weak about their goverment.If your wandering why the legion didnt do anything when he defected mainly I think it's because Caesar doesn't like to think anything is wrong with his legion and so wouldnt want it spread that one of his spies had gone native.The DLC seems to be the courier heading back home wether this is actually where you were born or just a matter of speech, you're deciding what to do with the inhabitant so the divide mabye theyve reclaimed a bit of the old world and that why Ulysses is their then you can help spread that, or bring it to it' knees for the glory of the Legion or NCR.

Why was he cut?

Why the hell did they cut him? I'm sure that Bethesda had their reasons but seeing as so many companions are anti CL a couple should be anti NCR? 75.155.1.157 15:54, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Most likely, because development time wasn't long enough.--Mr.Lexx(talk) 16:14, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think thats the reason, they said they had a hard time just removing him after they had added him, he seemed like the perfect teammate for the "evil" character, its lame that so many of the companions hate the Legion, atleast the good ones, and those that are indifferent to either side have some stupid bug, like Raul Tejeda. They should have kept this companion, maybe they can add him in a dlc (fingers crossed).--24.165.179.157 02:34, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Rancher

"Ulysses was once a successful Bighorner rancher at Wolfhorn Ranch, but he recently abandoned his Ranch and is now nowhere to be seen. " Is this pure speculation or written down somewhere? If not, then it shouldn't be in the article. --Mr.Lexx(talk) 04:37, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

@Revert: "rv - this is verifiable" How the fuck is this verifiable? There is not a single information about it either in the game nor anywhere else. --Mr.Lexx(talk) 10:45, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

From the official game guide:
"What was once a profitable Bighorner ranch has recently been abandoned, and it's owner - a man named Ulysses - is nowhere to be found. Scour the place, especially the farmhouse itself (which has most of the items you want). Down at the bottom of the garden is a well and a tank with irradiated water (only sip if you're desperate), and an allotment with a few plants to pick."
And there's no need to be so rude :) --Flower of Pock-Lips 11:03, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry then. It just felt to me like the part was added purely on speculation, as no source was mentioned for it when I saw it the first time. I've re-added it now. --Mr.Lexx(talk) 11:31, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
@Mr.Lexx Maybe you should stop being an argumentative jerk and respect people's contributions instead of being outright hostile and gay as soon as you see something you don't agree with,,,,next time ask politely Tommygunner32 17:25, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
You cant really blame him, if there's no source then it's as good as speculation. And Tommygunner, dont use the term 'gay' to insult people please, infact don't insult people at all.JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 17:31, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
Tommygunner, I was the one on the end of Lexx's comment, and although I was quite taken aback at the time, he's apologised, admitted his mistake and that makes him better than most, and so I have no problem with him. The issue was resolved and if I saw no further need to comment, I'm not sure why you did. As an aside, your use of "gay" as a pejorative betrays your immaturity, I'd suggest you read some books and find out why casual homophobia is ignorant and unacceptable. --Flower of Pock-Lips 17:43, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
Wow you people really are (If i say it i will be banned).

I only posted that comment a few hours ago and already iv'e got 30 americans screaming down my neck,,,,,unlike you flower i can have a joke and not be sad,,,,my point is that when he first posted he was arragont and dickhead-ish :D the only reason he's bin cool is cos he's been proven wrong, @ jasper,i can blame him cos he's was acting like an asshole saying, fucking,,p.s DO NOT REPLY TO THIS COMMENT UR JUST WASTING YOUR FINGER ENERGY M8's Tommygunner32 20:46, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

I've reveted the edit already two times before and I hate it when nobody explains his moves on the discussion page (which doesn't happen in *a lot* cases). On the second revert, I've overseen that the source was named in the summary, but this I've wrote already, as written and seen above. There are a lot trolls on the wiki and therefore, it's pretty much possible that someone is editing random stuff into the pages just for lulz. If you can stay calm after seeing such stuff often, fine, but for me it was over. So much to this now and nice that I am so famous.--Mr.Lexx(talk) 21:16, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
@Flower of Rock Lips I dont think you understand the way he used the word gay, languages change all the time its called semantic drift that word previously meant to be happy, i think he meant that word to be used as a synonym to the word unfair relating to his backlash against the poster. Anonymous 9:19 January 3, 2011
WHat's so bad about calling something or someone gay, it means that it sucks or is stupid.
Sure, and fag means a pile of sticks. "Gay" became a pejorative because the word became associated with homosexuals. The "semantic drift," in this case, was directly caused by prejudice, thus it's inappropriate to use it in a derogatory way. Minor Edits 01:45, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Can we keep this on topic please? Altpunk 22:52, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Flagpole

The card shows he has some kind of a pole in his hand. The game files contain a world model for a flagpole, so I believe that his personal weapon was, in fact, an American flagpole with an eagle on top. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 08:51, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Nice, it pretty much looks like this could have been his weapon. I've updated my mod with it. :) --Mr.Lexx(talk) 16:42, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Possible Enclave Connection

Anyone notice that the flag on his back is very similar to the Enclave's symbol? 12 stars around a larger star, instead of an E, but the resemblance is there. We'll see what his story is if he's included in a coming DLC. Jazzlizard 16:49, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

It's because the Enclave is the remnants of the old us government and the flag on Ulysses back *is* the old us government flag.--Mr.Lexx(talk) 16:58, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
It's been forever since I played the original games, but I thought I recognized it. It would explain why he'd be disillusioned with the NCR if he was familiar with the old-world, or even a former member of the Enclave. Jazzlizard 17:04, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
Saw a pre-war advert for Poseidon Energy on a loading screen today, you know, that company that worked in collusion with the Enclave and developed ODYSSEUS before the war? The advert said something about beginning an "Odyssey" (with emphasis) with Poseidon, Odysseus of course being the Greek name for Ulysses. And ODYSSEUS, of course, being the name of the AI at Tibbets Prison, known earlier in development as Big Empty, where Ulysses rescued Christine. Combined with the flag of the US on his back, there's connections to the Enclave and to the Big Empty all over the place, but I can't really see how they all come together in any meaningful way. --Flower of Pock-Lips 20:43, January 8, 2011 (UTC)


That is some awesome detective work. =] I did think that there wasn't so much of an Enclave connection so much as a need to hang on to the Old World, but after that I tend to side with you. I hope you're right. Altpunk 22:57, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

I too share the speculation that Ulysses might have some connection the Enclave. However, as Flower mentioned, it's a long shot when you consider the Big Empty not seemingly having anything to do with the Enclave... at least on the surface. But wasn't Big Mountain set up by the U.S. Government? It at least seemed to be working with the Government to create new military tech. So that in itself may have some possible connection with the Enclave. Still, I suppose we will have to wait and see if that connection merits anything meaningful. --Thegreatcthulhu 05:48, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

This isn't awesome detective work, just a bunch of arbitrarily connected facts. Poseidon Energy doesn't have anything to do with Ulysses; especially not their pre-War promotional posters. Simply put, PE made great use of references to Greek mythology before the War. If Ulysses had a connection with them, he wouldn't pick a Roman name, but a Greek one: Odysseus. Ulysses is its romanized version. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 08:01, August 6, 2011 (UTC) ^yes but if its true he has connections with ceasas legion whoget thier beliefs from the romans,dosent it make sense his name is roman?

Dead Money reference

At the end of Dead Money, I think that there's a reference to him as being the other courier-Canyon Wreckage. Your told that the other courier and the PC fought, and that the other had a ancient flag upon his back-US flag on jacket. Likely? -Wyrmalla —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.204.101 (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Yes, you are correct. If you Check the Add-ons on this Wiki, everything you said was right.
Couldn't be bothered signing in.¬¬ Wyrmalla 18:57, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Possible DLC

If he were to appear in a DLC, it's most likely he will appear with the hanged man. Anybody else agree with this? --Son of Icthar 15:14, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any evidence for this. I think it's likely the Hanged Man will appear in the next DLC (as hinted through the game files), but I think it's more likely that we'll just see more Ulysses hints in that DLC rather than an actual appearance. It looks like they're trying to set up a story arc here with Ulysses hints placed throughout the DLC's until a final confrontation in the last one. Also, talk pages are for discussing the article itself, if you want to talk about Ulysses there's the forum. --Flower of Pock-Lips 15:19, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
Agreed, as both characters have nothing to do with each other. The Burned Man might appear in some DLC, but this will most likely have nothing to do with Ulysses.--Mr.Lexx(talk) 16:08, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

It is possible we may encounter both in the next dlc if it's set in the divide as this was where The burned man was cast by casears leigon.Casear109

Are you sure The Great Divide and The Grand Canyon are the same place? As far as I'm aware nobody knows outside of Bethesda what The Great Divide's real-world location is. So you could be right but it's been confirmed that the next DLC is Honest Hearts which will make reference to The Burned Man. We may meet Ulysses in this DLC but I think that chatter about him has been so hectic that Bethesda will save him for the last DLC, giving themselves more time to create a character as three dimensional and exciting as we've been speculating. Altpunk 23:02, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Speculation

Ulysses... probably will be in the third DLC, set in Great Canyon. The 2nd probably will take us to New Canaan and center around Joshua Graham. I believe he is not "basically evil" person, but has a grudge against Curier... something like a desire to avenge murdered family. Probably, upon being defeated, there will be a choice to destroy him, your nemesis, or spare... in later case he will forgive (understand, or succumb, depending on alignment and his story) the player, and join him (so he could be used as companion in main game and in battle for the dam).

Master Mold 12:28, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

alot of what you said is wrong the third was OWB and the second was in zion and graham doesnt have any grudge (Michael haze 04:31, August 15, 2011 (UTC))

Ulysses "Locks"

Do you think the developers would've added Ulysses Dreadlocks/Braids Hairstyle model? Or just give him a "Blastback".. Lexx's mod got me thinking about it actually. To be honest, asides from the excellent story that comes with him, I think the lost of his potential hairstyle was what saddened me the most. I always thought that African American hairstyle were missing , especially Dreadlocks or braids, it would have added a lot of ahestetic variety for African American characters in the game, particularly raiders and wastelander types. The Conk hairstyle gets Old soon, really.

Heck, maybe the developing of his hair and the shortage of time was one of the many reasons for cutting him out of the game =P.

If he got unique hair, I don't think it would have been a new hair type. I think it's more likely for him to have a new unique character model, just like Cass or Lily have (partly).--Mr.Lexx(talk) 09:21, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

It's likely a unique model.

Mr. Snufflez 07:21, January 1, 2011 (UTC)


He reminds me of the main charecter in this post apocalyptic movie:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronx_Warriors

Companion

If he was meant to be a companion of the Courier then wouldn't it be more reasonable to think hes not out to get the Courier but wishes to see them grow stronger? That the reason Ulysses gave up the job, if in fact he did, is he knew it would help the Courier grow stronger? I just find it hard to believe that if he was meant to be a companion that he would hold a grudge against the Courier.--Alpha Lycos 07:14, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

It is possible that his background story was changed after he got cut out of the game.--Mr.Lexx(talk) 15:39, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

While he was cut from the game his scripts are left if im right so it is possible that he could become a companion in the main storyline after Lonesome Road comes out.--Ohno itsthecopz 18:32, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

If you are meant to "do battle with him" then obviously he won't be a companion. that would be like Legate Lanius being a companion on an NCR playthrough --User:Zach9054 14:51, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe the courier battles along side Ulysses? The hints towards the future weren't that clear. "All this bloodshed. Such a waste of human

if, as it says on the Courier and Ulysses pages, he lets you take the platinum chip so the you would be finished off by the wasteland, then i would assume he wants you dead, and if he wants you dead than that would make a really bad companion in my opinion

Possible reason for Ulysses search?

One of the funniest moments in the game, to me, was the Courier's apparent impregnation of a women in Montana 17 years prior to the start of New Vegas. I always passed it off as a joke, but "the courier with the old world flag"'s ducking of the job of carrying the Platnum Chip and his search hinted at in Dead Money, it got me thinking, what if Ulysses is the child of the Courier mentioned in New Vegas. That would explain his search, and it might explain his apparent hostility towards the Courier. Just a thought. --Desert Rat, not from Nevada. ATEFI man and proud of it! 03:28, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

But this theory doesn't work if the player character is a female.--Mr.Lexx(talk) 04:24, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
He isn't. A seventeen year old teenager is not going to be experienced enough to survive the Big Empty and challenge the Courier at the Divide. That line is meant only as flavour for Ladykiller characters. It isn't even canon as long as you don't use it in conversation. Hell, I doubt it's even the Courier saying the truth, just messin' with the Drifter. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 09:38, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

The lone wanderer was 19 and he basically took down a whole army 94.169.182.230 00:13, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Because Bethesda's writers suck arse. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 00:18, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
The "one against the world" theme is one of the oldest cliches of video games, all the way back to Doomguy, and before them action movies and action stories. If you can't stand it, I wonder how you ever got near here. Wunengzi 05:53, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

tbh I found the writing in fallout 3 to be funnier. fallout new vegas had quantity rather than qualityKill-da-mutant 15:49, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Funnier in terms of more stupid/childish/idiotic, yes.--Mr.Lexx(talk) 16:08, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Plus the vault dweller could have been as young as 16Kill-da-mutant 18:44, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

"Could have been" - In Fallout 3, he/she *is* 19 in every case.--Mr.Lexx(talk) 19:21, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Still, I had never heard of fallout before i got fallout 3 and now its by far my favourite game. I have also tried 1 and 2 but i coud not get use to the annoying top down viewKill-da-mutant 21:51, January 5, 2011 (UTC)


It's reasons like this that (If I did my math right) I like to think that The Courier is in his early thirties, so he already has a past, unlike the Lone Wanderer, where you were with him since the womb and saw him as a toddler, were there on his 10th birthday and GOAT exam, and escape from the vault, then his 19th year on the apocalyptic earth. With the courier, I assume that Ulysses was some guy he met and just never clicked with, something went wrong with him, he blamed the courier, and the courier left, while Ulysses swore revenge on him for whatever he was falsely accused of. Or something like that. I'm just saying, he isn't a freaking pre-set robot with an urge for no creativity or ambigousness. Now I'm just rambling. Jackass2009 06:32, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Buuuuuuuuut things like age or gender can't influence things that happen in the story, because it is different for each player character. Rootmars 19:31, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Possible origin

Does anyone else thing he may be the "Burned man" as he is related to caesers legion

No, he isn't. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 19:56, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, the Burned Man is Joshua Graham, not Ulysses the Big Horner Farmer.

Think he might be the courier's father???? seems likely along with the other theory above. no not that one up there the one mentioning montana OR THE OLDER LONE WANDERER AGED AND BEAT DOWN BY HIS TRIP WEST? I MEAN IF HE WERE A NATIVE TO THE WEST COAST THEN WHY DOES HE SEEM CURIOUS ABOUT THE NCR OR LEGION? AND STAY AWAY GRAMMAR NAZIS!!!!! THIS HAS MEANING!!!!

Nah. The only thing I could imagine is that either the Courier or Ulysses are related to the Chosen One. Regardless of what Ulysses relationship with the courier is, I'm sure it will be totally unexpected. Rootmars

speculation: ulysses turned down the platinun chip job becuz he knew it would go down. as benny stated 'the game was rigged from the beginning', so to me he's involved somehow with the chip. we never saw his face. as in fallout 3 james face would change to match yr race, right? so if you´re african american, so it will be ulysses. if you´re asian... etc etc etc. maybe the courier and ulysses are blood related. fraternally i guess. since you can play with a very old courier i doubt ulysses is courier's father (unless ulysses turned to a ghoul after having a son, since ghouls are sterile). and as stated here, ulysses is older that 20 to have done all the things he did. an example ulysses met christine royce before, so he cannot be courier's son. the totally unexpected to me could only be if ulysses and the courier were lovers. at first i was really pissed to the fact that we know shit about the courier, but apparently we are going to know his/her past in future dlc.

I don't think we should rule out Ulysses being Joshua Graham, people can assuming different identities (or Ulysses could be his middle name), also seeing how "The Divide" could mean the Grand Canyon, the place Burned Man was thrown off by Caesar, I think there could defiantly be a connection.
That would be really really far off. Plus, Joshua Graham is called "the burned man", because he is burned all over his body. Ulysses is not. Both are two different people.--Mr.Lexx(talk) 05:20, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
People think that Ulysses is black, it could be that he is just badly burned.

if you got burned badly enough to turn black you would be dead, your body would have to be cooked to a crisp, same thing that happens to burnt toast, burn scars are actually more whitish.

Ummmm... their voices are different dude. Also just referred to being black as being the same thing as having like 4th degree burns, which is kinda slightly rascist. The Milkman 13:06, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

pop quiz

anybody else think there is an "easy rider" reference with this guy? Flag on the back, I suppose captain america in easy rider was a sort of courier too when they're smuggling drugs. Just a thought.

Location of The Divide

I assume the canyon wreckage is the entrance. Think about it, there is graffiti there reading "Courier 6?", "You can go home now, Courier" and there are two graves located near by. When you stand on top of these graves you will hear a someone whispering. Perhaps the two graves mean that Ulysses is seeking revenge. This is all very exciting and seems like it'll be leaps and bounds better than Fallout 3's DLC. I also assume that the the battle between The Courier and Ulysses will be the conclusion to all the DLCs.


I believe Ulysses is seeking for revenge too.
Anyone else noticed that burial mound at Wolfhorn Ranch (Ulysses' Ranch)?
There are some flowers beside it, a book and an harmonica.
I guess a friend of him was buried there, to who he used to play his harmonica :D
Inside the grave is a mercenary grunt outfit, brass knuckles and a shotgun,
so the dead is a man (I guess).
Maybe the courier killed his friend? That would be a reason.
Also: There's a big flag pole near the grave, without flag though xD 
JuryRigger 22:32, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

His clothes and hair

Will it be possible to get his dreadlocks hairstyle and his American star jacket? And how about getting the flag pole he holds as a melee weapon?--Zigzag338 04:39, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

FO3 has his flag.

So while playing FO3 today, I noticed a loading screen (I cannot remember specifics) with a US soldier in power armor holding a flag pole with an eagle on top AND it was the commonwealths flag seen on Ulysess' card. Should I mention it in the artice? I'll go see if I can't find it, as aren't most of the loading posters featured ingame? --Valoopy

What exactly would you add? - RASICTalk 01:28, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
I added a small section. Feel free to delete it, I just felt I had to get it out there for inspection. A picture of the poster is on my page, but I have not added it to this page, And yes, I agree this would all be better suited on the page about his flag pole. Valoopy

It's a poster from before the War, so it would make sense that an American soldier would have and American flag. It's not specifically anyone's flag, so there really isn't any connection between Ulysses and the soldier. Best regards, Kastera (talk) 02:57, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't necessarily saying the flag itself came from that specific soldier's cold, dead hands. I was merely stating two things- 1) That this flag has already been shown somewhere else and 2) That it's model is similar to the one supposedly used by Ulysses (though uncomfirmed). --Valoopy
What? It's the pre-War US flag, nothing notable about that. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 14:13, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
The image I took didn't show it very well, but the top also had the eagle on it. I was basically noting that the unused flag pole weapon has been used as an image before, and they may have used that as an idea for making it. Anyway, it's done and over with, seeing as my comment is gone. I guess I'll just leave this info to myself then. --Valoopy

Honest hearts Boss

I wonder if he will end up being the last boss for honest hearts because all the people in dead money said they heard about some huge fight so maybe you and he have like this huge battle. AND if this is the case i really want an epic battle, even legate Lanius can get beaten pretty quickly if you finished dead money and have 1000 stimpacks.

I think the general opinion is that Honest Hearts will feature Joshua Graham and probably not Ulysses. Maybe it will we don't know. But Bethesda have said they will release at least another 4 DLCs so I don't think they'll expose all their characters so soon, especially one like Ulysses who people are getting excited about. But I definitely don't think Ulysses will be the boss of Honest Hearts. We know that the battle takes place in the Great Divide. We also know that the Lonesome Road DLC will take place there. I don't think they'll kill off Ulysses that early and have you return to the Great Divide later as the player might find it boring. The battle will most likely be in the Lonesome Road DLC. Altpunk 23:13, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Homer's Odysseus/Ulysses connection?

I'm no expert on the classics, but my understanding is that Ulysses is the Roman version of Odysseus. They are effectively one and the same, and interestingly, ULYSSES the AI from Tibbets Prison has a split personality of Odysseus and Ulysses. You can actually see a reference to something along the lines of The Odyssey on a loading screen.

What if the courier and Ulysses are more closely related than we realise? Perhaps one and the same? Perhaps the Greek/Roman connection would explain the possible affilation between Caesar's Legion and Ulysses. --Owlbread 20:07, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Possible sibling

I think that a surprising twist would be if Ulysses turned out to be a sibling, because they have the same job, and there could be a possible anger between them, because the courier is a really strong person , so why wouldn't their sibling be as well. Tozzler 06:24, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Doubt it...devs said Courier's relationship with Ulysses would be something very unexpected, so I think the obvious things--family member, friend, lover--can be crossed off the list.--Kafeij 04:19, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
Friend's neighbor's cousin's roommate :) (68.230.84.168 09:55, May 21, 2011 (UTC))

Also, i know you can change your race, but in the intro movie the courier is a white male, same thing in the promo videos, and ulysses is african american

So that could just mean the courier's dad could be back and mom whiteCammax 03:36, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Legion

Joshua Graham just confirmed that he is an assassin/Frumentarii for the legion.--Rolsty 10:16, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

OMG WTF OMG WTF ULYSSES FTW, GRAHAM FTW FOV FTW OMG WTF OMG WTF

Joshua Graham says that he was expecting another courier, who is an assassin for the Legion. May or may not be Uylsses, If he is an assassin it might be why he thought the player was dead

I agree it might not be him since there are still 4 of the 6 actually couriers that are not accounted for BigDogW 12:22, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

No. That is definitely him... Why else would Graham have said that? You honestly think they would just write in a line about another Courier that just happens to work for the Legion? Just like the Dead Money references. The talk of another Courier. Its building up to Ulysses.

Broken Record Fan 18:37, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Remove legion references

I feel since we can't know if he is the courier that Graham is talking about we might want to remove the references to that quote BigDogW 12:26, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well, we know Ulysses is affiliated with the Legion because of his suit on the Collector's Edition playing cards, and the reference to the courier assassin wouldn't have been for any reason other than hinting at a future DLC (as was the case in Dead Money). As we don't know of any other Legionary couriers who are appearing in future DLC's, I would say it's a safe bet that the Burned Man is referring to Ulysses. --Lugiatm (talk · contribs) 12:35, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Family

Everyone keeps playing the family card, so I'll throw mine in: what if he is related to the Chosen One, and the Courier us relayed to the Lone Wanderer? Not saying, " OMG I BETCHA THAT....", just noting that it would be interesting. --Valoopy sig Valoopy 03:08, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

I doubt that really, considering that the lone wanderer was 19 at the time of FO3, and that FNW is only 2 years after, that would make the courier 2. And I dont think that a ex-legion courier would have a grudge against a baby.

Theory

Maybe he's just a mole rat that had his buddies killed by the Courier. Then he built up to be strong and opened a Bighorner ranch so he can has all sorts of good meals and stuff. And then he carries teh american flag to disguise along humans so they won't kill him so at the end he goes to the courier and stabs his arse with the flag pole then the courier is like

"WOOOW WHAT WUZ THAT"

thne the mole rat goes like "IMMA HERE TO KILL YOUR BECAUSE UR KILLED MY FAMILIES!1"

Then the courier is like "I'M SO SORRY DON'T KILL ME PLZ PLZ PLZ"

then cass comes in and shoots the mole rat

and then

we goes to the strip for happy ending!11


Can you keep this relevant?--68.114.109.157 03:04, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

it r revelant. teh courier killed a bunch of mole rats because hes mean. teh mole rats can has inteligence cuz there are talking mole rat in fallout 2. and ulysses kind of looks like a mole rat

Cool story bro.--89.240.231.117 11:21, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Appearance in Old World Blues

Ulysses' appearance in the next DLC has been confirmed in the qore interview. Any ideas on interactions with him? I would think his appearance will be kept to a minimum to save his storyline for Lonesome Road. --68.114.109.157 03:07, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'm betting a hologram of him interacting with Christine, since she's confirmed too. Elijah talks about how he discovered the holograms there, and the devs aren't whipping his actual character out 'til Lonesome Road, so it seems that a hologram is the only way to give a continuity nod to Elijah's dialogue about the Big Empty while building the suspense for LR.--Kafeij 03:03, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Good call. It makes sense, because I wouldn't think Christine would be there in person either, as she doesn't even think of the courier again until he reaches the divide, which would only happen after Old World Blues. So I think that both will not appear in person.--68.114.109.157 04:31, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

  • They could appear behind a window in some unreachable area or something like that.--Skipbomber 21:18, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Do you think Ulysses wants to revive the USA?

His clothes, quote, and flag staff seem to point that he has some sort of fascination with the old world USA. Even in the ending of Dead Money it mentions a battle of the couriers under the "old world flag".

I theorize that through interactions with him you will be able to convince him to follow factions (his outfit in concept art showed an NCR and Legion flag on the back of his vest along with one of the commonwealth flag) and also his quote on his playing card "When I lay down my flag it will be over my body or over a country I believe in." also seems to suggest him wanting to revive the US.--Skipbomber 23:28, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

No, he does not want to revive the USA. He wants a cause to believe in, which is very different. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 05:38, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

He could seeing as how he wears a US flag and that qoute

The Two Couriers Each Carrying A Message For The Other

In Ulysses Article It Mentions How Each Courier Is Carrying A Message For The Other. But The Courier Seems Unaware Of Ulysses So How Can He Be Carrying A Message For Him?--81.141.170.34 19:36, June 23, 2011 (UTC)


He had to pick it up from the Mojave Express first. The final DLC probably starts with a courier job which is likely going to be a trap by Ulysses. --SamGhadiali 10:53, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

The message is when your courier has his/her only voiced dialogue in the game "I promised to kill you last!" Marcus is a boi 07:33, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

The Tag line for the DLC is "I Lied" xD! i sooo would have loved that! Terrorblades - This is recorded live at 23:53, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

The message doesn't have to be a concious one, it could be that the Courier knows of something or a message that Ulysses wants to hear, a bit of knowledge you heard all along but didn't stop to think about it. Equally just because the Courier appears oblivious doesn't mean he/she is, you never see Ulysses but when you hear about him the Courier seems to want to know as much as he can about him. I think the Courier is protecting some important info, something that Ulysses wants and is searching high and low for.

could always be a figure of speech--174.31.72.33 06:03, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Do you think the lonesome road has anything to do with the enclave?

Considering he wants to revive the old world.

No.--90.227.58.236 21:09, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

=P People want to revive the enclave. I think Ulysses is just a zealous american who read too many books of the old world. He has his own motives. Shikari~ 21:02, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Not the Courier that Joshua refers to?

With old World blues saying that Ulysses doesn't believe in the Legion, does that thus infer that the Courier that Joshua refers to isn't Ulysses, but another Courier instead-thus with Ulysses being your ally against said Courier during the battle of the divide? Though it may also mean that he may have just lost faith in the Legion...but why then just go about wearing their symbol on his back when he's a full member...and blowing his cover?

Hm, well, his outfit does have three variations. Maybe he wore the Bull version around the Legion, the Bear version while in NCR territory (according to Joshua), and the Old World Flag when he became disillusioned. I don't think that they'd say, "But wait! There's another Courier!" after the past three DLCs have been building up toward our Courier's confrontation with Ulysses. If they do, that'd feel a bit weird, story-wise.--173.210.173.102 22:43, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

........

Damn i'm starting to like this guy. Hope you don't have to kill him


Perhaps...just perhaps...

I have a mild theory, mind you it's just a theory but, I think Ulysses MIGHT 'be' or 'related' to the the Lone Wanderer from FO3...we were told we might see a personality from FO3 in NV...and we haven't yet...and non-canon information shows that Catherine, the LW's mother, is african american... could ulysses be the LW? Probably not...but it is just a possibility. Saxony4 11:51, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

No. LW is a pathetic character with the charisma of a brick. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 11:56, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
I agree, neither Avellone nor Sawyer is dumb enough to put him in the game. Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 11:59, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
Pretentious douche SenorNuevoVegas 01:19, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

That's pretty harsh, my LW was pretty charismatic. Saxony4 12:02, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

  • The Lone Wanderer is fine, just fine. Stop pestering the character and let everyone judge for themselves what they think of him/her. No need for this unnecessary bashing. JspoelJspoel Vault Boy 12:36, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

No, because Ulysses says he hasn't met many people from the Brotherhood before Christine. Problem solved. He also refers to the BoS as a "tribe", which gives the impression that he's a tribal, along with the scarification on his arms. (And, to the two users above: the LW hate is unnecessary. You didn't like FO3, you're hardcore Fallout fans, we get it.)--173.210.173.102 06:27, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, Ulysses might be the Lone Wanderer. We don't know for sure yet. But anyway, If Ulysses was to be a companion in the main storyline, Fallout would've told. So no, Lonesome Road is his only appearance in New Vegas.

Picture?

I've been away from the vault for a while and I was looking at the Ulysses page and wondered where exactly this in-game version of him came from? Or his outfit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPgWDZVSN4Q at 3:45 - K1LL 20:56, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Where's the ULYSSES (Van Buren) page?

I've been looking through Van Buren articles to see what was kept between that game and New Vegas (interesting to compare and contrast; I know that very little was kept, but it's interesting seeing the influence) and every freaking time I try to find out about the ULYSSES (presumably an AI?) in Van Buren, I get sent to the Ulysses (New Vegas) page. The old page is now a re-direct, when I feel it should be a dis-ambiguation page. Seriously, every single link to ULYSSES now points to Ulysses. It's kind of annoying, and I don't know enough wiki-fu to fix it. Any help? (As an aside, the article has me super-pumped for Lonesome Road, but has given me spoilers for the other DLCs... eh. ^_^) 218.101.96.100 11:07, July 23, 2011 (UTC)Owesome

I don't know how to make a reply, but I agree with the IP address, that there should be a disambiguation page or have :a "did you mean ULYSSES (AI)?" or not have the redirect go to the ULYSSES page and say "did you mean Ulysses?" 174.113.230.100 13:21, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
Thats because those links need to be changed to direct to ODYSSEUS (not the names, just the actual links). This is because , and I quote, "In later design documents, ULYSSES was renamed to ODYSSEUS. This was done to emphasize the difference between Poseidon's Greek names and Greenway's Roman names." User avatar tagUser Avatar talk 20:04, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Friend or foe

now what i want to know is.is ulysses a friend or an enemy.now i imagine that he is an enemy since he purposely gave you the job and i think he may have been the one to set up the assassinaition just a thought could be wrong but still i do want to see how this will work out because even if they take your guns there is still unarmed characters that could whoop his ass so im curious how the battle works out.--wontbackdown 06:09, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

First of all its been confirmed a long time ago that you get to bring ALL your stuff into Lonesome Road, just like OWB, and your most likely going to be able to convince him not to fight you when you do face him, if you go along the normal theme of being able to talk with bosses. Here is the line from the LR page "The player's equipment will not be stripped at the beginning of the add-on, and the add-on has a linear structure similar to Dead Money." August 9, 2011

Where do you see this part?

"At some point before the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, Ulysses contacts the Courier via radio transmission, promising to explain the incident in Primm in exchange for one final job."

I never remember this part anytime in the game, any help?

That doesn't happen in the vanilla game, but it will be the quest starter for Lonesome Road. SnoopingasusualIsee 04:03, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

What incident in Primm? =O But em yes it sure seems like that will be the starter quest/transmition. User:Keimei~ 21:05, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

"The incident in Primm was when he turned down the delivery job, thus leaving the Courier to do it. The Milkman 09:34, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

OMG

I just thought of something. he says he carried you (courier i think) so MAYBE ulysses is the couriers mother (mothers carry their children in the womb) who got a sex change and disowned the courier. but now feels bad about it and inlonesome road there will be a family reunion --Killswith pride 20:17, August 12, 2011 (UTC)killswith pride

Waiter, I'll have what this guy's smoking. UserGreatMara9mm Pistol 20:25, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

He's talking about Christine. He carried her from the Y-17 Medical Facility after rescuing her then says "just as I carried you" in a holotape talking about his the future of America. Charlie1121 19:44, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

thats highly highly unlikely the canon courier is white so basically your saying she got a sex change and some how made her melanin content alot higher and had some plastic surgery (Michael haze 04:35, August 15, 2011 (UTC))

There is a canon courier? That is so much news to me. Shikari~ 20:47, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Farm

A bit off topic maybe but I remember there was a place in New Vegas (on your way to Novac from Nipton) which had Ulysses in it. It was something like Ulysses Farm or Ulysses Shack... I'm not sure. Anyone knows the name or am I just remembering wrong? =O User:Keimei 20:50, August 15, 2011 (UTC)rn R

Yes it is called Wolfhorn Ranch....it is a pretty interesting and ambigous place.....to me atleast it seems like he is very paranoid as their is watchtowers and fences...i mean i would too if i was living in the wasteland...and not too mention that their is a grave there with a flower on it which means it was someone important...specluation aside that is where he lived!John117Price 02:07, August 17, 2011 (UTC)John117price

well in other countrys it translates to ulysses camp and there is a flag pole where he might of put his flag and he is a former farmer isnt he? all the protection would show that he is aware someone might go after him and the grave might be his friend/family/lover which died because of the couriers actions before the ambush on him.

his weapon

in OWB in the Y-17 facility you find Christine's holotape and it cuts out at the end because it sounds like someone enters the room and in the room u find 5.56 casings and spent microfusion cells and neither Christine or Elijah have 5.56mm weapons so the only other person there is Ulysses so i think the weapon he uses is chambered in 5.56mm.--Ohno itsthecopz 15:56, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

  • could possibly be a battle rifle because J.E. Sawyer stated that This Machine is a unique Battle rifle[2] when there isnt a non-unique battle rifle in the game, at least yet.--Ohno itsthecopz 15:56, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Legion connection?

Well, he's name is Ulysses. Thats Latin for something, the caesars' legion speaks latin and he has a legion duster. And JG said there was a courier that stalked the land in search of enemies of caesar. He also said that the legion was not the hope for the Mojave, maybe he knew they wasn't the mojaves' hope bechause he had been allied with them to see if they actually where the last hope for the mojave.STRIKE3 12:31, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Thoughts on Ulysses's Plan

The other day, I was browsing Bethblog when I saw a peculier photo on a post about Lonesome road. It shows Ulysses standing in front of what looks to be a functional nuke. Could This(combined with the Warhead Hunter achievement) possibly mean Uysses is trying to nuke NCR or Legion territory as to create a new society? Just some thoughts!--Parker0215 20:13, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

possibly...but we dont know yet....i bet that he is trying to nuke the entire mojave and then restart civilization again in a nation that he truely believes in....a one that he is in charge of or not idk but it s a logical theory

Is Ulysses coming or going?

I know this isnt that important, but did Ulysses turn down the job at Primm then go to the Big Empty then the Divide? Or did he come from Big Empty, turn down the Job, then go to the Divide? Becuase if he turned down the job in Primm knowing whoever carried the package would die, then he would think I was dead by the time he got to Big MT thanks to Benny. Why would he be leaving holotapes with Christine talking about how hes looking for me if the Mojave sorted me out? How does he know I survived the ambush? But then if Ulysses came from Big MT. to Primm, Why not just stick around Primm a little bit longer and deliever his messege to me when I show up to take the job before the game starts? I bet all this DLC story arch run around B.S is just some sick plan to trick the courier into bringing Ulysses the Platium Chip. I wish the game started back at Primm when you take the job but in know that would change the whole story.--Robandbig 11:15, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

I dont realy think Ulysses expects the courier who is carrying the Platinumchip to die at Benny's hands.
I think he simply anticipates another move in the game Mr.House, the NCR and Caesar are playing and maybe he is just taking the name of 'just another courier carrying one of Houses goods' to Caesar (should he realy have been a spy for the Legion).
I expect now after he had gone to big BT he has learned something about Mr.House and is curious about the nature of the delivery you made or Houses nature.
As for his reasons to go to the divide... there is only one power to fuse enemys together... a bigger enemy.
Ulysses sees all the bickering and powermongering that is again in the world so he decides that he is going to unite bull and wolf in a fight to survive the nukes he found and will threaten to use against them, i dont think he expects to survive. --Loonix 11:48, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

that is a very good theory..i am in agreeance with you and then unite them togather to form a greater society and that one could be an mirror in the image of the old us....sort of ha--John117Price 14:31, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

More than hope. Belief?

I thought hope is belief. Same as faith and truth.

Shn mrtn 04:50, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

My impression is that the courier and him may have had a friendship and he betrayed him/her and tried to kill him/her then sent the courier on a chase to find him because of the message mentioned in OWB and the divide might be were th courier and ulysses are from because of when ulysses said "The Courier knows the way"...

Do What?

Okay, I have to call bullshit on this:

  • Apparently Ulysses created holotape logs and left them along the road to the divide. These can be found by the courier and were apparently a gift from Christine Royce for saving her.

Now I won't dispute them being made by Ulysses, but what I WILL dispute is the idea that Christine LEFT the Sierra Madre to leave these holotapes for the Courier. Why would she leave anything for anyone she didn't know before she met them? This isn't Doctor Who, for crissakes. -Malus X 21:12, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Who is this Doctor Who you mentioned?Shn mrtn 04:42, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

I think it was supposed to be referencing the fact that Ulysses mentions in the first holotape that Christine fixed the recorder as payment for Ulysses saving her from the Big MT, so he could create the holotapes and leave them for the Courier to find, it's just poor wording.--92.24.243.220 09:46, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Have he predicted Benny's interception?

He could have. The answet may lie in his employer, Victor itself. He, as a Securitron, may be connected to Yes Man, which tracked the parcels.

Why Victor's involvement? There's an American flag on Victor's Shack's wall. Goodsprings settlers arrived when the Victor was the only resident in town. By that logic, Ulysses left, but he maintained the way to control Victor one way or another. Ulysses might have read Victor's data, just like Benny read Yes Man's data.

This may also explain the fact that he was remotely shut off during Ghost Town Gunfight, as well as why everyone felt he's somewhat shady, hiding dark secrets.

Is anybody actually going to update this, I know the DLC is out but nobody has seemed to update it yet?

Editing

Since the DLC is out maybe you guys should start editing it. 76.114.155.175 23:11, September 20, 2011 (UTC)Anonomous

Would you like some tea and scones with that too, Master? UserGreatMaraMessage 23:15, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

DLC-4 background

The background shows his duster with sleeves...It doesn't have them however. How do we know its him? I'd assume that's the courier. Icommandoxx 00:27, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

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