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Added all events

I've added all events that happen a fixed number of days after the beginning of the game to the timeline. Ausir 12:29, 28 May 2005 (CEST)

New Plague outbreak problem - no date for this event at Denver design document.

• At the Quest section (page 65) - Recover Plague outbreak is journal entry: I found some evidence of a plague outbreak in Denver shortly before the War.
• War was beginned in 2066 (China invaded Alaska).

(more details: Sawyer (when interviewed by you) connected Denver outbreak with Black Ghosts, similar incursion was described at Hoover Dam design document).

I suggest to change a date for plague outbreak in Denver (2066 recommended, see: China) --dotz 14:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I remember a while ago there being certain other 'footnote' historical references (such as PotUS telling everyone to get fluffed about the Oil reserves, and a couple days later getting pwned by congress when he was impeached for jaywalking. Was there a de-flavouring of the page or a lack of credability for the refrences? --Frostedfire 02:03, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

The jaywalking part is still there: Timeline#2075. However, this is all from the Sierra Depot GNN transcript holodisk, which was declared as non-canon by Chris Avellone, as it contradicted the official timeline (the person who wrote it for FO2 didn't bother checking it against the timeline from FO1 design documents), so the official word is that it was modified by bored SAD soldiers. Ausir 02:11, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Date of Enclave's discovery of Mariposa

In Fallout 2 President Richardson says the Enclave found Mariposa "about 70 years ago", which places its discovery in around 2172. 89.110.20.58 19:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Civil Rights

If I am correct, the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964. This means, that, in the Fallout time line, African Americans never received equal rights to whites. Is this addressed anywhere in any game? 69.235.46.104 00:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

It was not addressed in any game, but it certainly is possible (or maybe they did, but much later). Ausir 01:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

It seems to be an area of question, but I don't think it would matter anymore though. Anyone else have an interpenetration on this little conundrum? 69.235.46.104 06:24, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I always imagined that Civil Rights passed easily, maybe even probably before 1964. It would be a way to reasonably keep the 1950s society going, if African Americans have no reason to organize and protest, no reason to militarize to get rights, ect. then one part of the 1960s cultural revolution would have not have happened. 98.235.86.209 02:03, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Due to the facts that racial segregation is neither mentioned nor shown in the fallout universe, (Including few or no racist characters, no seperate bathrooms/drinking fountains/etc. for whites/blacks, no documentation of any civil rights movements, etc.) I believe that some time after Lincoln freed the slaves, blacks gained equal rights without the need for a seperate movement. JAG90 22:53, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

The timeline diverged after WW2, not in Lincoln's times. Ausir^(talk) 23:03, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't mean they couldn't have had their own movement or laws passed. AG90's wording was weird and sounded wrong. But I'm sure he simply meant what i said. 166.147.124.150 10:23, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

JAG90* sorry 166.147.124.150 10:24, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

MacCready becoming mayor of Little Lamplight

Seems we have a bit of contradicting info here.

The official guide states: "He has served as the mayor of Little Lamplight for two years (since he was 10)" and as Fallout 3 starts in 2277 this would mean he became mayor in 2275. However, the timeline states he became mayor in 2274, citing his dialogue in the game. Can somebody verfiy the latter? // Porter21 ^{U | T} 21:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Looked it up, he indeed states he has been mayor for three years at the time of FO3 so I guess that's what canonical. // Porter21 ^{U | T} 21:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Yup, I generally consider the guide canon only when it doesn't contradict the game itself (since, while co-written by the devs, it's based on an early build of the game, and has some other mistakes here and there). Of course, it could also mean that McCready can't count properly. :) Ausir 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

That's pretty plausible Ausir. Seeing as how the only knowledge they have is from what they scavenge from outside, the old books, and what ever is passed down.--JimmyBassatti 21:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Game icons

Please don't add the game icons to the timeline. I was the one who started adding them a long time ago, but now I feel that they're cluttering the page too much and they're unnecessary - the references are enough. Also, why did you add {{Sources}} to the top of the article? Which facts do you think need verification? Adding it to the top of the timeline is not helpful, if you think some facts are wrong, just mention it on the talk page. Ausir 19:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

As it stands the Timeline is unclear. The canonicity of certain details are questionable or simply missing. Every single piece of information should be able to be referenced to a specific game or document; the {{Sources}} is the most applicable code I could find. Ugly references included in-timeline should be cleaned up with <ref></ref> codes. The mini icons are a convenient way to identify quickly which game or document each specific point derives from. This is helpful for those who are building mods or using it at as a reference and wish to discount Fallout Bible or Van Buren timeline references. ABCoLD 19:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

While there are elements of the Fallout Bible which are not considered canon (or at least not entirely), particularly Chris Avellone's Q&A sessions, the Fallout Bible timeline is based on Fallout 1 and 2 design documents, particularly on Scott Campbell and Brian Freyermuth's FO1 timeline and is definitely canon, referenced numerous times by Bethesda as well (and from what I gather from my discussions with the developers, they do consider it canon). There is no reason to discount it, since without it, there wouldn't even be a timeline page.

I guess we could add the icons for Van Buren and Fallout Tactics in order to indicate their non-canon or semi-canon status, but I'd leave the canon sources (including the FOB timeline) without any - only for sources for which we have canonicity warnings in other articles.

Any information that is not referenced is most likely from the Fallout Bible timeline. Ausir 19:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. I would like to leave the {{Sources}} in place though until each entry in the timeline has an appropriate <ref></ref> code. Otherwise it's difficult for new people, or those not fully versed in every facet of Fallout, to be confused as to the source of various claims or statements. ABCoLD 19:29, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I think the {{Cleanup}} tag I added is more appropriate. Ausir 19:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Thirteen commonwealths

The thing about the division of the country into thirteen commonwealths is something that Leon Boyarsky came up during the development of FO1 and what was behind the idea of the original picture with the flag, so I restored it and changed the ref accordingly. I kept your change of 14 stars to 13 stars, since, while based on a mistake that Chris Avellone made by JE Sawyer and Tramell Isaac later corrected, I guess it is the only version of the flag seen fully in a game, so it's canon now. Still consistent with 13 commonwealths, though, as the middle flag might stand for the Columbia commonwealth that includes the nation's capital. Ausir 23:11, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't dispute that 13 commonwealths existed, or anything of that sort. I was simply pointing out that the fact that 13 stars are on the flag doesn't mean that there are 13 superstates. It's like stating that because we have three types of Whopper Hamburgers that there are X number of cows. I'd prefer it if the confusion about superstates be kept on the United States page. As it is the timeline seems to mistakenly suggest that the existence of the 13 superstates was definitively proven in the exhibit. (As it stands Bethesda could simply decide that the nation liked the Cowpens flag enough to continue to use it. This seems to be the case, but again is a matter of discussion for the United States page. :) ABCoLD 23:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

The timeline diverged some time after WW2, so they couldn't have "continued to use" the Cowpens flag. And Leon Boyarsky did say that the flag was changed because of the reorganization of the country into 13 superstates. I don't see why the flag would be changed first and country reorganized to match it second.

This is not canon, of course, but I tend to think that Richard Nixon won the 1960 election in the Fallout universe and was the one to reorganize the country. Would have been pretty funny to see a big Nixon Memorial in Washington, DC in FO3. :) Ausir 23:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Ausir is right. The Thirteen Commonwealths approach has been STATED by a FALLOUT DEVELOPER to be the one they used when creating the USA in the Fallout world. Your doubts are irrelevant - the devs have spoken, and this is the way it is. Shaur M. S. Grizlin 23:41, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Admittedly, the 13-star flag being used in the Museum of Technology could have simply been a mistake by the designers, who intended to have the commonwealths and new flag introduced later but forgot to make the Virgo II flag a 50-star one, and just used the only US flag texture they had. I'd assume that it's not a mistake for now, but I'll check with the devs to be sure. Ausir 23:52, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

References and notes

R & N section is messed up...--Cc123 05:40, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

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2272: Three Dog starts GNR. Is there any concrete evidence to this? All he says is that "even if you disregarded everything I said in the past five years" and that could mean anything; since he's talking about the Enclave, it could mark that he started preaching anti-Eden propaganda in that year.--Amitakartok 20:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Outcasts

uhm, something random here i've seen that after talking to some of the people from the citadel in fallout 3 (namely scribe bowditch) that the outcasts left the capital wasteland brotherhood of steel at 2276 so maybe someone can like put it in the timeline if they want 67.122.137.53 01:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)--67.122.137.53 01:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

thats the 17th century...

seriously someone needs to change that. 1697 is not the 15th century, its the 17th. i tried editing it but the page is locked -Snufleufugus

Thanks

Amata

I do not think Amata was born in the same year like the player char. On his 10th birthday she still was 9 or younger because she did not wear a pip boy.

On the other hand, isn't it mentioned that they've been friends since they were born? And do I remember completely wrong when I say that some of the others at Vault Dweller's age doesn't have a Pip-Boy either? -=KAG=-^{The VaultNO} 01:21, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Just because she was younger than the LW doesn't mean she wasn't born in the same year. She could simply be a few months younger. Ausir^(talk) 01:28, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Ausir is right! the timeline says that amata was born in the same year as the lone wanderer, however the order puts amata's birth after the lone wanderer's. therefore, amata would be 9 on the lone wanderer's 10th birthday. Wrpen-99 13:29, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

(it also says in the beginning of the game when james says to the player "..come now lets go play with ur friend amata." so when the player is 1 she is alive.

Birthdates

What do you guys think about removing birthdates of minor characters, and leaving only the most important ones? They just clutter the page. Ausir^(talk) 01:26, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Make a separate page linked to from the bottom: Birthdates. Wouldn't hurt. _Tagaziel ^(call!) 08:01, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Point of Divergence

Waaaaaait wait wait wait. Mothership Zeta added a new thing into the Fallout universe that was BEFORE the divergence yet didn't happen in OUR world. Andrew Endicott should exist in our world too, and he should at least supposedly be abducted, or otherwise "disappear". This kind of screws up the whole Divergence thing... But I like the divergence! It adds a new dimension to Fallout... Domn-117 18:17, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

It's a bit of a stretch to think that every missing person from the 17th century would be known today. Deadlykris 02:50, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

"End" of Fallout 3/Broken Steel

Where do we set the mark when Fallout 3 and/or Broken Steel end? I know it's open-ended and may take any amount of time, but as far as I know it's the same for FO2. How was that end point determined? -- Porter21 ^(talk) 11:56, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

The end point for Fallout 2 was given by Chris Avellone in the Fallout Bible. So we won't have a similar date for Fallout 3 unless Bethesda gives us one. Ausir^(talk) 14:33, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I guess we could still give an estimated end (like the one for FOT). It just looks weird having the start in the timeline but no end; maybe that's just me though ;) Maybe we could hold a poll in the next Weekly Digest on which ingame date people finished all add-ons and the main quest? Not sure about including Point Lookout though, it heavily distorts the end time because a single journey to Point Lookout (or from Point Lookout to the Capital Wasteland) takes a whole month of ingame time. -- Porter21 ^(talk) 17:13, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

We do have an entry for the end of FO3 under 2277. I suppose it would be better to move it to 2278 and add a note that it's an estimated date. Ausir^(talk) 17:35, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I missed it because it wasn't bold like the other game start/end dates. 2278 seems more likely to me; none of my games ended in 2277. -- Porter21 ^(talk) 17:43, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

actually, there is no way of knowing when the game ends take place. fallout 3's end could take place as far as (and farther than) 2080, if the player waits long enough. broken steel could likewise end in the same year! this all depends on how long the player waits. Wrpen-99 13:33, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Great War

I've realized that the clocks in FO3 may all have the same time set on them, and if they do, I think that it may be safe to say that the world was nuked at approx. that time. If not, then simply forget it.--Master of cheeZ 21:26, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Harold and Oasis

I was reading through and came across a problem and I'm not sure if I'm reading it wrong or if it's wrong.

According to the timeline Harold did not appear in the Capitol Wastes until 2277, dispite saying he's been stuck in the ground for decades and Three Dog saying he saw the Oasis years ago.

Also according to the timeline Bloomseer Poplar arrived in the Oasis in 2252, 25 years before Harold arrived there.

Point of Divergence Theory

Much of what I've read about the Fallout series timeline states that the point of divergence is sometime after World War II. The first thing that comes to my mind when pondering the topic is the actual historical occurrence of the atom bombs dropped on Japan at WWII's climax. It got me thinking. I have not read or seen where the Fallout series mentions those bombs being dropped specifically. I have concluded and believe that the exact moment of divergence is the dropping of the "little boy" atomic bomb on Hiroshima. According to the Fallout mythos and more specifically the Children of Atom doctrine, when an atom bomb is detonated it creates an entirely new universe full of life. If this were the case, then when "little boy" was detonated it could've split the timeline into the two diverging ones, our own and the fallout timeline, where "fat man" was never dropped on Nagasaki but instead developed into a personal nuclear weapon. Continuing with this logic, would mean that every nuclear bomb dropped during the "Great War" would also create divergent timelines, this could account for the minor differences made by the player within each Fallout game. --Truesdmj 17:21, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

As with any thoery, it's mostly just your own personal speculations. The theory must be supported by game evidence to be accepted. The fact that the atomic bomb drops on Japan in WWII were never mentioned in any Fallout doesn't mean that they didn't occur. It might have just never came up by any character to mention that. Or, since the game takes place so many years post-Great War, new generations of people were born and live in desolete wastelands; they simply might not have read any history books at all, i.e. are not educated about this historical event, plus all they care nowadays is avoiding the next raider attack. ;) Plus, the Children of the Atom are just some dulusional religious crazies, you can't take any of their theories for granted. We don't really know if there was no "Fat Man" nuclear bomb. Maybe the mini-nuke launcher was named in honor of it? Aren't you talking LOST here with all its "drop a nuke, create an alternate timeline" stuff? ;) --TheBearPaw 23:39, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Hiroshima bomb is mentioned in Fallout 3. " I am fully confident that the presence of Liberty Prime at the Anchorage Front line will be to the Chinese what the Hiroshima bomb was to the Japanese in 1945. " Ausir^(talk) 00:58, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Heh... I actually wasn't thinking about "Lost" when I came up with this theory. But as I stated it's just a theory that makes sense to me, I wasn't trying to make anyone accept it. Now if the Nagasaki bombing will be mentioned in any future games then my theory is debunked, but until then I like the idea of it.Truesdmj 20:18, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Canonicity

I noticed some additions to the timeline based on non-released content, for example Fallout: Resource Wars - like this. I believe this "Timeline" article should list only the canonic events, right? All the scrapped or unfulfilled ideas are pretty much meaninglesss and threaten the integrity of the article. What d'ya say? --TheBearPaw 10:37, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, unlike Van Buren, F:RW was never more than a hypothetical project, so it shouldn't be there. Ausir^(talk) 09:21, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Revisions and Corrections

Why is this page protected form all editing? It needs some serious grammar checking, general improvement of the writing, and removal of redundancies and irrelevant information. DrMorbius 01:44, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Van Buren?

Why is there so much Van Buren info on the page? Isn't it all non-canon, and contradicted by Fallout 3 and New Vegas? Revolverman 06:32, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

It's not considered fully canon, but it has been referenced in both Fallout 3 and New Vegas and so far it hasn't been contradicted in any way. Ausir^(talk) 09:21, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Contradictions

• There are two instances of there being a last manned mission to the moon, one in 2020 and another in 2052. Which is correct?

• The 1945 discription states that the Fallout timeline diverges at this point. It may have been correct considering the time the Fallout bible was written at, but the later Fallout games changed this. Maybe state that there timeline began to diverge in ernest rather than stating that this is point where it began to diverge as this is plainly untrue.

2228

"The ghouls of Capital Wasteland are driven underground by hostile mutants and humans, forming the Underworld in the Museum of History" I thought a group of ghouls took refuge there and started the ghoulification process and then it just became a home to ghouls. 86.12.86.254 15:42, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ghouls being Ghoulified? De Accipitre Deserta 21:30, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

2277

It says that this is when the Vault Dweller was sent out, except that happened way before fallout 3 started. Am I just overlooking something here or what?

2277 is when Vault 13 was originally scheduled to open in the Vault Experiment. Ausir^(talk) 21:19, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Closing of US borders

According to the GURPS timeline, the US closed its borders in 2052 for unspecified reasons, but then FO1 and the Fallout Bible contradict that by stating that the borders are closed again in 2053 to quarantine the New Plague. Should the 2052 entry be removed? Nitty ^Tok. 01:01, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Eh, forget all you guys. I've removed the GURPS date in favour of the F1 and Bible date. Nitty ^Tok. 03:41, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

9:49:10 PDT

This is the time all clocks in Capital Wasteland are locked at, if you look closely on some of the clocks that appears in the buildings.

I guess this is the time the bombs struck DC area, 2 minutes after the first bomb (in east coast 10:47 PDT+1)

Some clocks ingame marks 2 or 3 seconds after.

As we know, one side effect of a nuclear blast is stopping all clocks at the time, just like it happened in Hiroshima, so this should be noted, by putting a note First Bomb: 10:47 PDT+1 at the 2077 section.Wertoret 15:04, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Why would the Capital Wasteland's clocks be set to Pacific Daylight Time? They'd be set to Eastern Standard Time at that time of the year; the change that expanded DST in our universe isn't known to have happened in the Fallout universe. --Kris 15:30, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

2208

it's a cycle of "mourning", not of morning.

Not sure why you thought it was easier to comment on it here rather than fix it. At any rate I took care of it. --Kris 15:11, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ian and Dogmeat die during the course of Fallout 1?

Er, the time table says that Ian and Dogmeat died during the course of Fallout 1, but aren't they still alive in Fallout 2?

Ian was planned to appear in FO2, but was eventually cut from the final version. And Dogmeat's appearance in the special encounter in FO2 is an easter egg, not a canon appearance. Ausir^(talk) 12:23, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Which Commentarii?

• Begin history nerd speech here* Julius Caesar wrote two books named 'Commentarii', one was about the Gallic wars and the other was about the Roman Civil War. /endnerdspeech. Does the source (I assume the guidebook), say which one. Or do I know more about history than Prima does :) FinalWish 19:06, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Garbage

This article is complete garbage, shouldn't there be some mention of some sort of apocalyptic event in the 60's? You know the event that stopped culture from progressing and therefore left the fallout world permanently in the 1960's? i.e still listening to Frank Sinatra ect....?!!?!

I'd always assumed it probably started with the U.S. either winning the Vietnam War, or brutally crushing the counterculture movement on the homefront. --GaussRifle 19:33, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Berlin wall

In are universe it came down in 1989 but what about the Fallout universe --Owen1983 19:25, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

It might not have even been built. Evidence suggests that the U.S. and Soviet Union had a decent relationship after the war, and the universe had already significantly diverged by 1961 (When the wall went up). --GaussRifle 19:35, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Fallout New Vegas Companions births

We should include the birth of the companions of Fallout New Vegas in the timeline.

Ausir's revert

I don't know if you've looked at the diff, but the changes to the article are possibly more substantial than you realised, and despite any perceived flaws, produce a net improvement. Additionally, while it is simple to add the removed paragraph from the top and cite things like information that was previously uncited and remove information that contradicts canon, it requires far more work to make the changes again minus said information, as it took at least a couple of hours before. The perceived problems could have been rectified without a destructive revert. The main changes were as follows:

• Greatly shortened the opening section, because as I explained on Gothemasticator's talk page, there is a lengthy references section, and the listed sources no longer adequately describe where the bulk of the article's information came from. To list all of the sources would obviously be impractical, that's why the references section exists.
• Made the formatting of all the dates uniform. This include making known dates bold, and moving undated events to the top of their year's section above the dated events (with a few exceptions, such as undated events which were known to take place sometime after dated events).
• Spaced each entry evenly, making not much difference to the end user but making the article a lot easier to follow for editors.
• Removed some entries which were endings of FO1 and FO2 that had not been confirmed by later canon sources (or even contradicted).
• Added a lot of wikilinks to articles that were unlinked, and removed overlinking.
• Added dates from the Jericho, Burham Springs, B.O.M.B.-001 and New Canaan documents, as well as misc. other dates from other design documents which for whatever reason were not cited.
• Added FO1 and FO2 endings that had been confirmed by canon sources (as noted in the games' ending articles).

And about the Jericho dates, I thought the whole point of the Van Buren icon was to denote that the information is from VB and therefore not necessarily canon. As long as that is noted, what is the problem with including the event? You could even put a note on the Jericho citation saying how it contradicts canon, which IMO would be better than removing it outright. I would be happy to address any concerns with the article, but I firmly believe that the changes were overall positive. The article as it currently stands has far more issues, imo, than my revision - I wouldn't have made the edits in the first place had I not thought that. --Flower of Pock-Lips 17:54, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Dates from Van Buren and other non-canon sources are to be included in the timeline only if they do not contradict canon sources (otherwise we'd also have two dates for things like the founding of Caesar's Legion etc.). The New Canaan and Jericho design documents are entirely contradictory to each other, as New Canaan was merged into Jericho during late development stages because of time constraints. Including information from both of them on the same timeline would be utterly confusing to the readers, especially given that you did not even include references for the Jericho additions. Since we know that New Canaan still exists by 2281 from New Vegas, we can entirely discard the Jericho document as contradictory to canon. J.E. Sawyer obviously considers his own pre-merge New Canaan document to be the canon history of that town.

Furthermore, I decided to exclude some of the Van Buren events (such as quite a few of the Burham Springs ones) from this timeline altogether because they were not relevant enough to anything other than their own locations in a canceled game. This timeline is already rather lengthy and I think such trimming was necessary (just like the removal of most of the birthdates from the main timeline). Perhaps it would be a good idea to create a separate Van Buren timeline page, which would include even events contradicted or changed in New Vegas (although even then I'd exclude Jericho design document and include the New Canaan one).

The opening section is there for a reason. There is a difference between indicating references and indicating origin. This timeline is originally based on Chris Avellone's timeline, which was the first attempt to create a coherent timeline of events in the Fallout universe since early stages of development of the first game, and it's in turn based on the Campbell/Freyermuth original timeline. This is independent from references for individual events - it is meant to describe the behind the scenes history of the compilation of this timeline. Even for timeline entries copied directly from the Fallout Bible, we often don't cite it as such, as citations to in-game mentions are preferred. In normal articles, such information would be placed in a "Behind the scenes" section below the main content, but in this case I think it should stay at the top. But it definitely should not be removed.

As I said before, before such major rewrites or important articles like this one or the one at Harold, you should have discussed it on the talk page or forum first. This is a wiki, but some changes have big enough impact to be discussed first before you actually undertake them. Ausir^(talk) 18:12, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Ugh, I really really hate the bolding of content text, even for know dates. I also hate long intros just as much, they should be short sweet and to the point on the subject and nothing more. What one person might find of interest, another may not and the intro will most likely always be read by the viewer as they are perceived as being vital information, but more often is the case that it isnt. I would suggest the shorten intro followed by a origins section appropriately title, that way the reader will know what the information is about and can make the choice to read it. On a side note I have replaced all the VB icon with the proper {{icon}} template. ☣Avatar☣ 05:42, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

I don't have much of a preference for or against bolding of dates. As for the intro, I don't mind it being moved to a separate section, I only object to it being removed altogether. As for {{icon}}, perhaps also add a tooltip indicating the uncertain canon status? Ausir^(talk) 16:23, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

I've created a draft page at User:Flower of Pock-Lips/Timeline. Let me know what you think of it. --Flower of Pock-Lips 16:25, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ausir, thats why I replaced all the icons that where using [[File:xxx.xxx]] with {{icon}}, as that has tool tips that says what VB icon is (a lot of readers don't know). As for canonicity, that really needs to be done with {{VB}} and kinda negates the use of the icons. The only thing I can think of, is if Porter wants to put and switch in {{VB}} that allows only the icon showing with the text being moved to a tool tip. Flowers, do we really need images on a timeline. The timeline should really be providing a very brief description of the event and a link to the page. 21:53, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

I'm ambivalent about the images. I just thought they would be nice to illustrate the more major events. It's the other changes that I'm more concerned about keeping everyone happy with, I don't want to step on any toes. --Flower of Pock-Lips 13:08, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Problem with images is that once you start to add them, then everyone does. Considering the amount of information contained in this page, the page is going to get cluttered pretty quick and actually detract from the information within. The other concern is formatting for both skins as well as in general, images will push the next one down and no longer be connected to what they represent. Other than that, looks pretty good although I would personally cut down some of the information. Some of it is far to descriptive of the event, at the end of the day this really should be viewed as a index of events and provide the basic information and links to more detailed information. 03:17, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. I also think it's best not to include images in the timeline. As for icon tooltip, I was thinking of something like this: Ausir^(talk) 03:25, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Ohhhhhhhh K, so when did someone sneak in the link feature *stares at Porter*. Yeah that works fine for me, I have added it in. 04:08, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

time line correction

its safe to assume for fallout 3 the 5 dlcs take place in order of release therefore pl and mz both take place after broken steel

Timeline muckup

Sorry but there no way all the DLC are before 82. it takes 15 days just to get to zion then antoher 15 days to get back.

creation of abominations

now borous was not very exact but i remember him saying that in 2003 or sometime around 2003 he said that he created cazadors and nightstalkers now should this be added to the timeline because we have the creation of nuka cola and sunset sarsparilla on there the creation of abominaitions should be on the list to dont you think.--Corporal grif 03:47, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

It was already placed there and then removed. The reason being is that Mobius fiddled around with the other think tanks chronometers, affecting their sense of time, so we can't be so sure if the information given by Borous is accurate or not. --Kastera ^(talk) 06:02, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Despite what was said above, I believe we really need to discuss whether to keep the Battle of Hoover Dam as happening in 2282, or if we should revert it to 2281.

According to the sunset sarsparilla article it is unclear if sunset sarsparilla actually entered production or was created as a family recipe in 1918. The latter fits in with Festus's story better. Should the timeline be changed to say "Sunset Sarsperilla established" instead of "Sunset Sarsperilla enters production" in 1918? --Wesley.Jessup 08:50, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Fallout 3 ending?

Can we stop saying that Mothership Zeta (add-on) is the ending of Fallout 3 as it is just a piece of downloadable content.

Date the Courier was shot

Where does it say that the Courier was shot by Benny on October 11, 2281? -Mark 66.65.254.129 02:39, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Under 1948 there should be a note that states on December 20 Alamo Airport was renamed McCarran Field, after Pat McCarran, a U.S. Senator and anti-communist, and would later become Camp McCarran. Also it should be noted under 1942, the founding of Alamo Airport.

Earlier Divergence than 1945?

It seems that perhaps our timeline and the Fallout Universe's may have diverged earlier than the time right after WWII. In Fallout 3, there is a recording of Lincoln's voice fund in the Museum of History. As the article in the Wiki states, the phonautograph that existed in Lincoln's time was unable to record audio for playback. That actual technology was not invented in our timeline until 1877. It seems that this is the first true instance of divergence, rather than the vague "Sometime between now (1945) and 1961, divergence occurs." line that is given in the Timeline page (which is locked and is un-editable). Biffhamly 21:14, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

No, the first phonautograph was invented in 1857 - the ability to play them back didn't come until the 1870s, but it is possible (though very, very unlikely) that Lincoln was recorded on one before 1865. If anything, the comment about divergence should be moved slightly later, since the timeline gives the creation of Communist China as 1949, when it was proclaimed in our timeline. Otto Tanaka (talk) 14:44, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

2910 sonic invasion of Big MT

Should that be listed here? Йура 21:15, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

End of Fallout 3

The end of Fallout 3 should be put on 2277 instead of 2278. The game begins on the 17th of August. If you did the Main Quest in real Life, it would only realistically take a month or two. It wouldn't take as long as 2278 which is four & a half months away. Broccoli. 18:04, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Also, the end description suggests that Adams AFB is canonically destroyed, which hasn't been confirmed. Instead of "Raven Rock and Adams Air Force Base are destroyed, and the Citadel may also be destroyed" how about "Raven Rock is destroyed, along with either Adams Air Force Base or the Citadel" in the 2278 section? The orbital weapons platform is confirmed in game to only have the payload for one shot, and BS is canon. Raider480 (talk) 18:34, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Lonesome Road - how to write into timeline?

Hi, I've been wondering whether or not the past and "present" events of Lonesome Road should be added? Perhaps this cannot be done because of the non-existence of dates. Please discuss. 90.227.149.222 18:34, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

2278

What's the source for Broken Steel, Mothership Zeta and Point Lookout taking place in 2278? Richie9999 (talk) 04:58, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

A conversation between Itachou and I from 2011. The original question and Itachou's response to me. --Kastera ^(talk) 13:02, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Colonization of Rivet City on here twice

The first settlement of Rivet City is on this chronology twice - in 2237 (which is wrong) and 2239 (which is correct). Can someone please fix this? Otto Tanaka (talk) 14:45, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Hm, I'm debating. Pinkerton says "For that, you have to go all the way back to when remnants of the Naval Research Institute cleared the Mirelurks off this wreck about 40 years ago." While Pinkerton does say "about" there, the thing is, the holotape he gives you shows off that the first meeting of Rivet City's council was in 2239 and it mentions "As the Rivet Station Science Outpost has displayed significant stability in its location and reliable profitability for supply traders, a burgeoning civilian settlement has sprung up in the available space on our ship." Obviously, that means that Pinkerton and his men have been there for some time before this council meeting. It seems more likely to me that the 2237 info is correct and the 2239 info needs to be replaced with this council meeting. Paladin117^{>>iff bored;} 15:12, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

That's all well and good, but where does the year 2237 come from? As far as I know, it's not mentioned anywhere, and was apparently just made up. Would it make more sense to put in a header for "Mid-2230s", since we don't have a specific year? Otto Tanaka (talk) 19:31, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

2299, date for survivor2299.com Fallout4? == Italic text ==

2278 - "Following the abduction and killing of four soldiers, NCR troops assault the Great Khans' settlement at Red Rock Canyon and massacre several dozen men, women, and children. This event goes unreported in NCR press."

This was from the Fallout New Vegas game guide and it's confirmed to be a mistake, it's even in the mistakes and oversight category on the page about the Game guide.

Simms not killed in 2277

Simms is not killed in 2277 by Burke considering in http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Afterward he is mentioned as alive (implicit, as it is written "he says" not "he said").

84.72.75.218 13:13, November 7, 2014 (UTC)Somebodynotnamed

Well, it is not fully cannon, as it is from a game guide. Energy X 14:09, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

2189: List of NCR states

There is invalid entry John Maxson instead of Maxson. I have no rights to edit, so please, fix it. 134.249.23.57 15:00, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

Fallout 4 in 2277

How do we know 200 years isn't approximate?   OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  02:09, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

I offer Pete Hines' answer to that question.65.185.108.172 05:43, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

Fallout 4 in 2227

You are missing on 2227 that Shaun was stolen out of Vault 111 by Institue scientists and Kellogg and that Nate/Norah was killed defending him.

New Vegas Cannon

Someone just put smack dab in the middle of the timeline "By no means Fallout New Vegas is part of the timeline or canon..." I would delete this, but the page is locked. ALSO. Do you think it is possible to fix the abridged timeline to include when Fallout 4 begins? I am talking about the white timeline picture in the beginning.

Removed that little sentence. If it weren't locked to anonymous users, we would probably see things like this appearing on the timeline a lot more what with all of the vandalism this wiki gets. As for the picture, I suppose someone would have to edit the new date in seeing as it's a photo, not actual text. "Space. The final frontier." ~The-Artist-64 (talk) 23:53, November 17, 2015 (UTC)The-Artist-64

Missing

I've just read through the entire timeline and there isn't any mention of the settlements or military base at The Divide. Neither doesn't it mention NCR plot sending the detonation device with the courier and destroying the base prior to the lone wanderers and Ulysses confrontation. I also noticed isn't any mention of Fawkes or him aquiring the GECK for the lone wanderer. As well as no mention of posidon (check spelling as much not entirely sure haha) actual research at Helios one. Or mention of the Capitol wastelands chapter of the enclave or "president Eden"

Revamping Table of Contents

I was looking at the Table of Contents recently, and thought it looked a bit difficult to navigate. I mean, everything 20th century and earlier, and everything 24th onwards is fine as it is because of the lesser information we have of those times, but I think the 21st to 23rd century (main setting) eras should be broken down by century titles to make it easier for users to navigate, as they all seem to blur into each other slightly. Thoughts?

Sources

I really would like a policy for simply reverting any unsourced additions. It wouldn't be too much to mention them in the edit summary, but trying to hut them down is a pain. What is the source for POTUS ordering scenario MX-CN91? The Switchboard terminal entries don't support this. What is the source for the home left at 9:42? I think the previous 9:40 for leaving the home was a guess only too (and we don't know when the prologue begins at all, with talking to Codsworth, coddling Shaun, talking to the Vault rep). Just to make matters worse, the clock in the home shows about 10:30, but I guess we want to ignore that (it is fixed graphics). What is the source for Boston (not a direct hit anyway) being hit at exactly 9:47? --Alfwyn (talk) 00:09, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

About the date of when the games are finished

Let's be straight, who honestly beats a fallout game in the same year that it's set, that would give you 3 to 5 in game months to beat the whole story and possibly everything else before then.

It's more a matter of perspective, I can complete Fallout 3 100% and all its DLC in the same year piss easy, completed FNV 100% and all its DLC by New Year's Eve. Fallout 4, no chance though, 100% and all the DLC, definitely heading into the next year.   OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  13:54, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

Well in Fallout: New Vegas, I like to finish the game after 2281 to piss off the NCR soldiers that say "New Vegas will be in the NCR at this year's end !" I find it funny. Otherwise, yes, it's pretty damn easy to finish the games in the year they're set, maybe with exceptions for the two first Metal Lanius 14:20, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

Massachusetts State House divergence

The Fallout 4 Vault Dweller's Survival Guide (or at least the transcript that I found online) lists for the Massachusetts State House that "The “new” state house was completed in 1798 to house the government of Massachusetts State" on page 471.

However, the real-world state house was completed and opened in 1787, 11 years before. Wouldn't the divergence therefore be in the 18th century? SierraX (talk) 02:26, November 24, 2016 (UTC)

Never mind, I don't know where I got the 1787 from when Wikipedia clearly states 1798. SierraX (talk) 19:48, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

Skynet "self-aware"

• 2075 - The Sierra Army Depot A.I., Skynet, becomes self-aware.
• 2081 - The Skynet AI in Sierra Army Depot becomes self-aware, according to its own records.

I'm confusing...

KPThug 02:56, February 14, 2017 (UTC)

Minor typo

Under 2163, it should be "The Master's army invades", not "invade". --2003:C1:7F20:2E04:8036:B989:F9D:F952 17:19, January 15, 2018 (UTC)

2274 "mayor town of Canterbury Commons" should probably read "mayor of the town Canterbury Commons" or similar. --2003:C1:7F20:2E85:1482:DBCB:DF4C:9536 21:13, January 19, 2018 (UTC)

Inconsistencies between what various admins/mods here say about timeline and info. on actual pages.

Example: I made this change to the timeline for the year 2181 PER YOUR OWN CLAIMS ON LIAM BINET'S PAGE:

Liam Binet, Institute scientist, establishes communication with the outside world under the codename "Patriot". He contacts the Railroad and is pressed into their service as an informant for gen-3 synths releases.

Sakarette removed the edit today and stated this event happened in 2183, not 2181.

So, which one of you is right? Is it Sakarette or is it whoever wrote in the original timeline on Liam's page? One of you is wrong.

According to the only information we have, which is dated, it is 2183. Binet needs updating. Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 16:22, May 29, 2018 (UTC)

Fallout 76

Speculation is currently placing game date at 2102. Should this be placed in timeline, or should we revert any edits who attempt to place anything related to Fallout 76, or better yet should we add a temporary lock on this page? |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 14:33, May 30, 2018 (UTC)

I think Vault 76, Fallout 76, Vault, Fallout Series, and this page should be locked until trusted Users/Staff can properly add info for the pages after the E3 conference, otherwise it'll just be Anon spam like we just saw today. Xa3 (talk) 14:38, May 30, 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. If possible I'd like to see a full-blown lockdown of everything even remotely related to the game, "Fallout universe", "series", "timeline", and so on until admins have cleared up all info after June 10. Ideally a 1 month lockdown? |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 14:40, May 30, 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Xa3, no need to keep false flagging with timeline edits and spam. Dragão Carmesim 14:42, May 30, 2018 (UTC)

Timeline

This Timeline is far from complete.. Where is Robert House entry for 2020?

Robert House Born on June 25, 2020 to a wealthy Nevada tool magnate

TechDean (talk) 03:22, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

4th sentenance from the top

“Note that the timeline is only for the chronological sequence of the Fallout world events; birthdates are not allowed here and must be put in the birthdates page.”

Level3Rogue (talk) 03:25, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

REPCONN

“there is no video or gameplay evidence of the Tour Guide ever saying that excerpt.”

This took less than two minutes. Not counting opening up the GECK and checking the Tour Guide's dialogue lines. Great Mara (talk) 06:20, December 6, 2019 (UTC)

There is also a properly sourced and formatted reference attached to the claim.--Ant2242 (talk) 11:15, December 6, 2019 (UTC)

Foundation of REPCONN time mismatch

Foundation of REPCONN time mismatch

REPCONN Aerospace can't be formed in 2054. There is no evidence anywhere that that is the date (usually people cite the REPCONN tour guide, but never does he mention anything about a foundation date, see for yourselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hO9DRQxWuU). Second problem with that date, is that the Delta IX rocket is commisioned in 2020 and "the last manned mission to the Moon occurred in 2052", which is written very clearly in the Museum of Technology in Fallout 3.

"The Delta IX rocket, commissioned by the USSA in 2020, was the last of the manned rockets that sent our brave American Astronauts to the moon. The Delta IX was in use for almost 15 years before being converted for military use and having the crew and instruments sections replaced with a nuclear warhead. The Delta IX recorded over 77 successful launches, making it one of the most successful rockets in U.S. history.

The rocket, developed entirely by USSA scientists, was a single-stage vehicle with an ejectable crew section or satellite storage bay. The propulsion system was a nuclear-electric derivative drive, using a massive electrical jolt to start the nuclear reaction on launch. The crew section was protected from the radioactive chambers by way of a massive titanium-vanadium disc. The spacecraft had the capability to sustain 2 astronauts for up to 24 days maximum. The longest recorded spaceflight in a Delta IX rocket was the 17-day Zeus 12 Mission to the Moon. "

Another problem with the tour guide quote that is written here is that it says "REPCONN's illustrious history began way back in 2054, shortly after the famous Delta XI rocket was completed and launched." The rocket was completed long before 2054, given that it already had multiple manned missions before 2052, and they stopped having manned missions after 2052. The only timelapse the rocket has been launched with people inside is between 2040 and 2052 ("the Delta IX was in use for almost 15 years before being converted for military use") and after that they were being already weaponized, and 2054 just doesn't fit as "shortly after the famous Delta XI rocket was completed and launched", since it had been in use at least 17 years before 2054.