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Sources

I really would like a policy for simply reverting any unsourced additions. It wouldn't be too much to mention them in the edit summary, but trying to hut them down is a pain. What is the source for POTUS ordering scenario MX-CN91? The Switchboard terminal entries don't support this. What is the source for the home left at 9:42? I think the previous 9:40 for leaving the home was a guess only too (and we don't know when the prologue begins at all, with talking to Codsworth, coddling Shaun, talking to the Vault rep). Just to make matters worse, the clock in the home shows about 10:30, but I guess we want to ignore that (it is fixed graphics). What is the source for Boston (not a direct hit anyway) being hit at exactly 9:47? --Alfwyn (talk) 00:09, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

About the date of when the games are finished

Let's be straight, who honestly beats a fallout game in the same year that it's set, that would give you 3 to 5 in game months to beat the whole story and possibly everything else before then.

It's more a matter of perspective, I can complete Fallout 3 100% and all its DLC in the same year piss easy, completed FNV 100% and all its DLC by New Year's Eve. Fallout 4, no chance though, 100% and all the DLC, definitely heading into the next year.   OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  13:54, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

Well in Fallout: New Vegas, I like to finish the game after 2281 to piss off the NCR soldiers that say "New Vegas will be in the NCR at this year's end !" I find it funny. Otherwise, yes, it's pretty damn easy to finish the games in the year they're set, maybe with exceptions for the two first Metal Lanius 14:20, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

Massachusetts State House divergence

The Fallout 4 Vault Dweller's Survival Guide (or at least the transcript that I found online) lists for the Massachusetts State House that "The “new” state house was completed in 1798 to house the government of Massachusetts State" on page 471.

However, the real-world state house was completed and opened in 1787, 11 years before. Wouldn't the divergence therefore be in the 18th century? SierraX (talk) 02:26, November 24, 2016 (UTC)

Never mind, I don't know where I got the 1787 from when Wikipedia clearly states 1798. SierraX (talk) 19:48, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

Skynet "self-aware"

• 2075 - The Sierra Army Depot A.I., Skynet, becomes self-aware.
• 2081 - The Skynet AI in Sierra Army Depot becomes self-aware, according to its own records.

I'm confusing...

KPThug 02:56, February 14, 2017 (UTC)

Minor typo

Under 2163, it should be "The Master's army invades", not "invade". --2003:C1:7F20:2E04:8036:B989:F9D:F952 17:19, January 15, 2018 (UTC)

2274 "mayor town of Canterbury Commons" should probably read "mayor of the town Canterbury Commons" or similar. --2003:C1:7F20:2E85:1482:DBCB:DF4C:9536 21:13, January 19, 2018 (UTC)

Inconsistencies between what various admins/mods here say about timeline and info. on actual pages.

Example: I made this change to the timeline for the year 2181 PER YOUR OWN CLAIMS ON LIAM BINET'S PAGE:

Liam Binet, Institute scientist, establishes communication with the outside world under the codename "Patriot". He contacts the Railroad and is pressed into their service as an informant for gen-3 synths releases.

Sakarette removed the edit today and stated this event happened in 2183, not 2181.

So, which one of you is right? Is it Sakarette or is it whoever wrote in the original timeline on Liam's page? One of you is wrong.

According to the only information we have, which is dated, it is 2183. Binet needs updating. Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 16:22, May 29, 2018 (UTC)

Fallout 76

Speculation is currently placing game date at 2102. Should this be placed in timeline, or should we revert any edits who attempt to place anything related to Fallout 76, or better yet should we add a temporary lock on this page? |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 14:33, May 30, 2018 (UTC)

I think Vault 76, Fallout 76, Vault, Fallout Series, and this page should be locked until trusted Users/Staff can properly add info for the pages after the E3 conference, otherwise it'll just be Anon spam like we just saw today. Xa3 (talk) 14:38, May 30, 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. If possible I'd like to see a full-blown lockdown of everything even remotely related to the game, "Fallout universe", "series", "timeline", and so on until admins have cleared up all info after June 10. Ideally a 1 month lockdown? |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 14:40, May 30, 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Xa3, no need to keep false flagging with timeline edits and spam. Dragão Carmesim 14:42, May 30, 2018 (UTC)

Timeline

This Timeline is far from complete.. Where is Robert House entry for 2020?

Robert House Born on June 25, 2020 to a wealthy Nevada tool magnate

TechDean (talk) 03:22, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

4th sentenance from the top

“Note that the timeline is only for the chronological sequence of the Fallout world events; birthdates are not allowed here and must be put in the birthdates page.”

Level3Rogue (talk) 03:25, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

This has since been changed however. Now stating

“The timeline is only for the chronological sequence of all events in the Fallout world events, with minor exceptions: Birthdates have been moved to the birthdates page.”

The page currently holds entries for Robert House, Lone Wanderer, and the Arroyo elder. The rule on birth dates being included or excluded needs to be looked at and further defined, as the birth date of the Lone Wanderer is acceptable due to it being mentioned in part with both the start of the Fallout 3 prologue, as well as the death of Catherine, while the birth of Robert House is likely not acceptable. (I have reworded the 2258 entry so that Catherine's death takes precedence over the birth of the Lone Wanderer, thus better fitting with the rule.) GHosTxShadoux (talk) 15:42, May 5, 2020 (UTC)

REPCONN

“there is no video or gameplay evidence of the Tour Guide ever saying that excerpt.”

This took less than two minutes. Not counting opening up the GECK and checking the Tour Guide's dialogue lines. Great Mara (talk) 06:20, December 6, 2019 (UTC)

There is also a properly sourced and formatted reference attached to the claim.--Ant2242 (talk) 11:15, December 6, 2019 (UTC)

Foundation of REPCONN time mismatch

REPCONN Aerospace can't be formed in 2054. A problem with that date, is that the Delta IX rocket is commisioned in 2020 and "the last manned mission to the Moon occurred in 2052", which is written very clearly in the Museum of Technology in Fallout 3.

"The Delta IX rocket, commissioned by the USSA in 2020, was the last of the manned rockets that sent our brave American Astronauts to the moon. The Delta IX was in use for almost 15 years before being converted for military use and having the crew and instruments sections replaced with a nuclear warhead. The Delta IX recorded over 77 successful launches, making it one of the most successful rockets in U.S. history.

The rocket, developed entirely by USSA scientists, was a single-stage vehicle with an ejectable crew section or satellite storage bay. The propulsion system was a nuclear-electric derivative drive, using a massive electrical jolt to start the nuclear reaction on launch. The crew section was protected from the radioactive chambers by way of a massive titanium-vanadium disc. The spacecraft had the capability to sustain 2 astronauts for up to 24 days maximum. The longest recorded spaceflight in a Delta IX rocket was the 17-day Zeus 12 Mission to the Moon. "

Another problem with the tour guide quote that is written here is that it says "REPCONN's illustrious history began way back in 2054, shortly after the famous Delta XI rocket was completed and launched." The rocket was completed long before 2054, given that it already had multiple manned missions before 2052, and they stopped having manned missions after 2052. The only timelapse the rocket has been launched with people inside is between 2040 and 2052 ("the Delta IX was in use for almost 15 years before being converted for military use") and after that they were being already weaponized, and 2054 just doesn't fit as "shortly after the famous Delta XI rocket was completed and launched", since it had been in use at least 17 years before 2054.

BOS tacitcs info dump (more research required, but this is where to start.)

Tactics ______________________________________________________

there is several key events from tactics that have been Ignored... I can get to those later after I complete my 15th playtru... as for the estimated end of the game, It is known that it ends perceptively on the day listed if you do a quick play-thru and do not take time to explore... just being a good soldier and going where you are asked causes this to be the Exact date of the cannon ending. which hast to end with the calculator being destroyed so the Brotherhood is weak enough, or busy enough that Lyons can pass thru without scrutiny, thus making the only difference to the charter a voice line that may or may not have been removed from fallout 3 in a patch, And Caesars opinion of the brotherhood itself.

Key events that exist in game

Battle of braman wood

battle of Rock falls

Battle for Quincy

Operation Lion-tamer (Fan made name for the extermination mission for the Beast-lords.)

Battle of St. Louis

battle of Gravestone

Battle of independence Falls

Operation faulty wire (fan made name for the rescue of the Reaver command.)

The battle of the finest hour (fan made name)/Battle for Vault 0 (what happened.)

and I am sure I left a lot of them out...

other side events that may have indirect actions on the timeline

massive resurgence of intelligent death-claws

Mutant Fertility Experiments

the death of Shari of Brahman wood

the death of General Barnaky

hopefully this helps flesh out the timeline.

Timeline issues

I created a separate page for major events only. Editing the beast of a page highlighted numerous issues with the timeline in general:

1. Lack of organization; major events tied to factions are interspersed with irrelevant events like fixing a pipe or an error log entry.
2. Contradictory information is included, mixing events from Van Buren with Fallout: New Vegas that are mutually incompatible, such as the rise of Powder Gangers east of Colorado or references to Governor Dodge, and that's just a sample.
3. Numerous stylistic issues, such as VERY inconsistent tenses (one entry is in present simple, another in past simple, sometimes alternating between tenses in the course of a single sentence) and formatting.
4. Numerous referencing issues.
5. Outright erroneous and repeated information as a result of the timeline being simply MASSIVE.
6. Death dates mixed in; they really ought to be separated like birthdates.

Thoughts? I also archived all messages from the first ten years or so into Archive 1 for the sake of our sanity. _Tagaziel ^(call!) 11:41, April 24, 2020 (UTC)

Timeline of major events is a good way to split out the "important" stuff. Splitting death dates out a la birth dates also sounds like a good idea.

Very much agree that the page needs some form of style guide. The major additions that occurred around the wiki merge exacerbated already existing issues. In terms of tense, I have a preference for present simple and I think a majority of the Timeline is written as such, but as long as it's consistent it doesn't bother me that much what is chosen. Can't do much about people who switch tenses mid-sentence while they're writing though! --L84tea ^{Would you like a cup of tea?} 06:56, April 25, 2020 (UTC)

I agree, this page needs to be split up, there is so much here that trying to edit it slows my (admittedly old) computer down. Aiden4017 (talk) 07:10, April 25, 2020 (UTC)

Pre/Post-Divergence

Technical issues with the page notwithstanding, there is one other quirk I wanted to ask about. Right now, there is a table at the start of the page that is split into 4 categories: ancient history (one entry), pre-divergence (stops at 1945), post-divergence (starts at 1948), and post-War. I don't really like the idea of pre/post-divergence, because it implies that there's a definitive start or point of divergence, which we don't know for sure. We only really know that it took place after World War II to maintain the 50s culture up until the Great War, there's not really any specific date or even year associated with that. 1945 doesn't seem appropriate, because even though it was after the end of WWII, who's to say it wasn't 1950 for the divergence? Again, we don't have a certain point in time to mark as the divergence, so I would advise against using the current categories. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 02:43, May 24, 2020 (UTC)

Agree with removing the pre-/post-Divergence categories as I think they muddy the waters. The Divergence page itself acknowledges that there is no set date. I note that there is also a conflict with the Timeline of major events page which lists the Divergence as occurring sometime in the 1950s - also not an ideal solution because then how do you classify the events that happen in that decade. --L84tea ^{Would you like a cup of tea?} 10:18, May 26, 2020 (UTC)

I would leave a marker there to help explain the concept of divergence, without settling on a concrete date. We could also introduce a box explaining the concept in brief. It's not meant to categorize events, but point out the existence of the divergence, rather than leave it as a technical concept you need to specifically look up. _Tagaziel ^(call!) 10:25, May 26, 2020 (UTC)

I tried editing the content box to have more eras and not definitively throw the end of WW2 as the point of divergence. We could also do more eras with the post-great war years since that's just one giant chunk of time and could probably be split up based on when games start/end. Devastating Dave^{ZIP ZAP RAP} 15:11, May 26, 2020 (UTC)