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Moved from Talk: Battle RifleEdit

bolt action? surely not, the rifle in the picture is, or at least it's based of a Garand, notable for the fact it isn't bolt action. Mr Habberdasher 16:48, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

I don't see a charging handle for working a bolt. I doubt its a bolt action rifle, since I beleve the hunting rifle is appearing in NV too. Revolverman 17:49, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

I propose we rename it "Semi-Automatic Rifle". Anyone agree? Josrence44 18:12, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

I named it that because I thought the Garand was bolt-action. (._.') Nitty Tok. 21:42, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

dunno, this pic could be of a rifle that already has a page, eg. the varmint rifle, if I were an admin I'd probably delete this page until a name can be put to the rifle, only time shall tell Mr Habberdasher 19:30, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

It's not the Varmint Rifle, that much is confirmed. Ausir(talk) 19:35, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Because we have so many people making articles calling this an M1 Garand, and people arguing over it, i think we should just delete this article until the game comes out.i put a picture of a different game on a Fallout wiki and there nothin you can do bout it 20:31, May 3, 2010 (UTC)User Tezzla Cannon

MY GOD! WHAT HAS HE DONE!!!? It also kind of looks like an M1 Carbine rifle, too. Since the MAR is a cross between the M16A1 and M4A1, it'd make sense to combine the two standard Marine rifles together too. Josrence44 21:37, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Will everybody just stop arguing about what it is! It's an M1 Garand Semi-Automatic Rifle. I know this because I'm a Gun Collector. If You don't know what it is and so does nobody else, contact me on My Talk Page. Post me a picture of the gun in-game and I should know what kind of gun it is. Don't Go arguing on with Your patties in a bunch. - Texas Ranger 02:34, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ammunition Edit

It will most likely fire a .308 caliber round. The M1 Garand had a variant that fired a 7.62 NATO round (the military version of .308) Gary 0 05:47, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

That's kinda true. The M-14 is what you are thinking about, but it is a totally diferent weapon from the M1 Garand. - Texas Ranger 15:47, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
What you think has exactly no relationship on what may or may not be in the game. Nitty Tok. 06:09, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think, I know. The M1 Garand was never chamber in 7.62mm. The M-14 was based on M1 Garand, but had many improvements over the Garand. Please do not insult me or my thoughts. - Texas Ranger 23:23, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
That's what you get for posting over 2 months after I did. :/
I was talking to Gary 0 before you interjected your post in, because there was a lot of "OHHHHH IT USES .308" edits. Nitty Tok. 23:27, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
The M1 Garand has been rechambered in .308 many times. I've seen them for sale and seen en bloc clips mean't for .308 aswell. - 527 Whoever keeps deleting this needs to STOP. This is FACT.
No, whoever keeps adding it needs to stop. It's not within the scope of the article to play "spot the similarities" with real-life guns. Even the Fallout 3 assault rifle which is based on the real-life G3, doesn't have a mention of the G3 even though the gun is referred to as the G3 in the game files. --Kris User Hola 11:35, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

I was more like backing up the fact that it could be an M1 Garand. It may not be in the "scope" to point out similarities but if you look above there is someone that doesn't know that the M1 Garand was chambered in .308 so I was informing him that there is such a gun. This also backs up the fact that it is a M1 Garand. If the game maker called it a Colt 1911 .45 ACP, you guys would believe it. - 527

Sorry, My computer crash a few weeks ago and I've been trying to get everthing reinstalled. Secondly, I thought you were talking to me. And by the way, nice little info below. Do the guards forget to give you your meds today? - Texas Ranger 03:28, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

They are adding a lot of new ammo and it could very well run on .30-06. time will tell.
It's gonna be a M1 Abrams firing special ammo. Kris (talk) 23:31, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Just a thought... Edit

Because the Fallout universe diverges after WWII, then this rifle very well could be an M1 Garand. CoD addict 19:02, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Hello Garand! Edit

It's an M1 Garand all right; no other semi-automatic rifle has a gas tube that goes right up to the end of the barrel like that. It's a toss-up on the Caliber; Every Fallout game has seen odd calibers assigned to different fictional and real-world weapons, one of the most unusual being the .32 caliber from FO3. If the designers of FONV want to stay closer to reality, the obvious choice is to make all the bolt action hunting rifles caliber 30-06 (most common hunting caliber for 100 years) and the same caliber as the Garand. Damage should be medium-high and balanced by the lack of a scope and the 8 round magazine, with the optional addon of scope later in the game. This would help to patch up a glaring weakness from FO3; namely that the hunting rifle is a poor weapon after the first few levels, and no more powerful weapon exists to use all those .32 rounds. I had ~4K rounds in inventory after I completed the last DLC.

I'd just like to point out that the M1 Garand uses a 8 round clip, not magazine. Also, I've never heard of it chambered in a caliber other than .30-06, athough there are so many I wouldn't doubt it. And Nitty, I'm ashamed of you, thinking it's bolt-action. DoltenUser gunny usmc logo Let's Talk 01:15, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
But it fires from an internal magazine. While the ammunition may be bundled in a clip before insertion into the rifle itself, it fires from internal magazine, not a clip. YuriKaslov-M1911 small Yuri Kaslov

Another tidbit about the Garand: more than 5 million were produced for WWII and Korea (all except for a few hundred in 30-06), and more than a million of them have been sold to US citizens as surplus. These days, the Garand is still produced by several manufacturers. It's a no-brainer that the Garand should be available in-game with that kind of availability.

It was mostly chambered in 30-06 and some were converted to .308. This gun has a 8 round magazine that is fed by a 8 round en-bloc clip.

Given that this Garand still fires from an en-bloc clip and fires 7.62x51mm NATO (aka Winchester .308), it is most likely a US Navy Mk. 2 Mod 0/Mod 2 version.

Delete content Edit

Why did someone erased the content in the page? I can't see a problem with the way it was.--Oddii02 17:49, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

You mean the images that were deleted? It's part of the new image policy, forum post images need to be either images used elsewhere on the wiki, such as on someone's user page or in an article, or they need to be off-site images linked rather than uploaded and put inline. I know I went through and deleted a quite a few images that were only used in forum posts and archived talk pages, as a cleanup.
Also it's worth mentioning, since I'm on the subject, that user page images need to bear the prefix "user" - for example "User M1 garand.jpg" instead of "M1 garand.jpg".--Kris User Hola 19:12, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Not about the images and pictures, but about the content itself, the text, there was a text about ammonitions and specualtion there that saounded pretty convincent, so I think it should have staid rather tahn deleted. Know what I'm talking about now? --Oddii02 19:40, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

It obviously is based of the M1 Garand so I put it in references instead of characteristics and can someone stop deleting the content please.--Mary roc 17:38, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

It is speculation and we also don't cover what weapons look like. Tezzla CannonUser Tezzla Dog 17:39, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

for god sake tezzla cannon stop deleting it.--Mary roc 17:39, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

No. Tezzla CannonUser Tezzla Dog 17:42, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well ok but you've got to admit it looks like an M1 Garand. Am not theonly one that thinks that. Mary roc 17:48, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't matter who thinks what. Real-life weapon similarities do not belong in article pages unless the weapon is named the same as a real-life gun. --Kris User Hola 18:31, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think this is a dupe Edit

I'm looking in the GECK and I'm fairly sure that picture is of This Machine. It's listed as WeapNVBattleRifleUnique and there is no WeapNVBattleRifle or anything similar than I can find. I don't think a non-unique version exists. --Rooker75 19:21, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Redirected, then. Nitty Tok. 02:33, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

One thing, however, is the Battle rifle is referenced by name in the manifest log obtained from Daniel Contreras' terminal, as its own entity not to be confused with the service rifle. Yes, it's clear that this gun does not exist in the files anymore, but I think it's clear that it was at one time in the game, or considered to be, and therefore we should have a cut content page for it. Mediocrity Goggles 20:20, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Mentioned only weapons don't get pages like this. :P
It might just have been called "battle rifle" in the terminal to not need to specifically name it. Reverting to redirect. Nitty Tok. 02:49, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

So to clear this up for everyone!! I have found the gun, and it is called "This Machine". It IS the M1 Garand look alike that shoots a .308 cal in the game. Has a 8 round clip and damage is 57 at 75% and up gun condition. The DPS is 137. The ONLY way you can get it is if you hack Daniel Contreras' terminal and report it to Lt. Carrie Boyd that he is selling NCR guns illegally. Both of these people are found at Camp McCarran. So there you go, I doubt there are any attachments for the gun by the way. (Dylan)

End of move from Talk: Battle RifleEdit

Woodie Guthrie Edit

A reference to "This Machine Kills Fascists" on Woodie Guthrie's guitar? 09:30, October 20, 2010 (UTC) Well This Machine kills Communists. As what it says on the rifle.

Okay, maybe Im just slow, but where does it say "well this machine kills commies"? I can't see it anywhere on the rifle in game.

Its really hard to see, but on Xbox i finnially saw it. Lenov 23:09, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Really? Edit

Someone really changed it from "Semi Auto Rifle" to This Machine? Seriously? Seeing as though It's based off of the M1 Garand, it should be the semi auto rifle.

well considering there's a gun called "that gun" I'm not surprised, its what its called and it may be gay, get over it, lol ithinkimaddicted 19:44, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well, the gun is the only one in the game, and called 'This Machine' so...yea... --Drldrl 12:17, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

repaired with anything? Edit

Is this a truly unique gun, so that it needs merchant or weapon kit repair? Or can you scrounge from another weapon? -al-- 08:15, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Truly unique. --Kris User Hola 03:07, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

You can use the Jury Rigging perk to repair it with all sorts of things. YuriKaslov-M1911 small Yuri Kaslov 00:41, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

bug Edit

for some reason the first guy you need to talk to is nowhere to be found at the gun runners can anybody help

I had that happen when returning with scrap. I just waited a day or two and he returned. --

Or, he's at his house, which is west of the Gun Runners. 08:14, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

The new A3-21's plasma rifle? Edit

This gun does 72 damage and is rapid firing, I'm able to use 5 vats strike with it.. I think it's pretty damn powerful like ^ was is fallout 3..

The Machine is a one of a kind weapon. There is no other weapons of its kind. Which makes A3-21's Plasma Rifle look like a 9mm pistol.---Legion- 00:37, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

"This Machine" is defenantly the rifle equilant of "That Gun".Ragedaoneanlonely 11:46, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Spread Edit

The page says the rifle has spread of 0.5 . Is that a typo or it really has accuracy of 10mm pistol? 13:46, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Thats got to be a typo, it has been way more accuracy than a 10 mm for sure. (Dylan)

Actually that is probably about right. I’ve been using it for the past couple of hours since I got it and it’s a powerful weapon if you’re up close and personal, but for any kind of distance shots its lousy.ReapTheChaos 10:19, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Both This Machine and The Mysterious Magnum have a spread listed at .05 and having used both of them quite a bit, I'd say their accuracy outside of VATS is about the same (This Machine is better for me in VATS; but I have the Commando perk, so it should be).

On a side note I actually think its pretty damned devastating at range. Its definitely no Sniper Rifle; but if you aim center mass you can lay down some easy sneak attack criticals with it. Combine that with its high damage, high rate of fire and quick reload speed and you can lay down a pretty devastating barrage from a mile away (Boone's Spotter Perk really shines with this gun). - Implodinggoat 12:00 AM, November 11, 2010.

ive never seen weapon spread as a issue with anything other than shotguns, like if there far enough away that aiming at the chest with slight spread misses, than usually they'll lose sight of you and you'll be hidden rapidly, i like the gun but if your going high range i still prefer the sniper rifle with all the mods, tears through deathclaws like a hot knife through butter. Toolazytomakeaaccount 23:32, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

I tried reducing the spread of This Machine to 0 in the GECK, but it has a bug which makes it shoot slightly to the right of where you're aiming (down the sights), so that makes it difficult to shoot precisely. You have to try and guess where exactly the bullet will go to the right. If you manage to "guess" correctly it can take out almost everything within sight.

Damn this thing is tough... Edit

I've been using This Machine for probably the last....10+ hours of game play, and the condition is still almost near-perfect even after popping off close to 500+ rounds. Not sure what's up with that...but I'm totally loving it along with the crazy dps/VATS attacks you can pull. Probably one of the best rifles you can get, and it takes one of the most common ammo types on top of that. -- 06:29, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

I Love My Garand Edit

I think this is the best weapon in the whole damned game. Its durable as hell and takes a relatively common type of ammo; but it lays down a ton of damage per shot, its got a damned quick rate of fire, it reloads in a snap, in VATS it does more damage per AP point than anything bit the YCS/186 Gauss Rifle and its even got decent accuracy.

Better still since I took the hand loader perk and the Jury Rigging Perk, I'm laying down 230 DPS at 97.5 damage a shot with my .308 JSP Hand Load rounds and I can repair it with all the most common rifles and shotguns. Implodinggoat 12:28 AM, November 11, 2010.

In fact, this machine is so tough that you won't even need jury rigging perk. 2~3 piece of weapon repair kits should be enough to maintain this gun in maximum firepower during the whole game. I love it. 11:33, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

This Machine is NOT Responsible for Crashes Edit

Whoever said This Machine causes the game to crash when entering The Strip on the PS3 version is wrong. There are known issues with game crashes when entering The Strip; possessing This Machine has nothing to do with it. I own the PS3 version, and I just entered The Strip with This Machine equipped. I even brandished the weapon and shot someone. No crash at all. Note that I have an Old Cowboy Hat in my inventory, though. (Allegedly, the Old Cowboy Hat keeps the game from crashing, for some strange reason.) I think we should remove the paragraphs about This Machine causing game crashes. --dusty_duster 00:43, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'm deleting the stuff about This Machine causing game crashes. --dusty_duster 13:05, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

wrong info in this locked page Edit

the first bug is not a bug, working as intended. Hot lead in the brain is the best way to convince someone.

Not based on visual...but how about audio? Edit

While I know that there were a few statements on this page about how similarities to real-world guns aren't mentioned if they're only based on what we can glean from the appearance, this is almost too much. The Garrand's metallic 'ping' when ejecting a spent clip (clip, not magazine, either) was distinctive enough for communist troops in the Korean War to make their charges in timing with it. I won't argue that it would be a Garrand based on the appearance, but that sound alone (and the over-the-top loading along with it) makes it almost wall-bangingly obvious. If it looks like a dog, walks like a dog, and barks like a dog, there's only so long you can go alleging that it might be something other than a dog before you start to look loony.

We're not alleging that it is anything else. We are just refraining from opening any discussion in the article about what real-world weapon this might resemble.--Gothemasticator 14:41, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
It isn't "might resemble", it is an M1 Garand. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 14:57, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not arguing that with you. I'm simply refusing to let this discussion get into the article.--Gothemasticator 15:08, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
Just to play devil's advocate, I don't think that's true. We are claiming that it's something else, if only because of the active refusal to give it a particular label. Simply enough, by insisting that it's not one thing, we're insisting that it's something else. Meh. Anyhoo, I've no problem leaving it as is.

The noise alone is a reference to the grand, and that should at least be noted in the pageSuperinsomniac 23:49, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Simalarities to M1 Garand Edit

We really dont need to waste our time deleting parts that say "Based off of M1 Garand" it just gives people a point of reference as to what the gun is most related too, I mean, This is a 40s-50s weapon, and it fits into the style of Fallout, So why go to the effort of getting rid of the parts that reference the M1 Garand? Call it what you want, but im 100% certian that the developers based it off of the M1 Garand.

You don't need to waste you time adding them in, either.--Gothemasticator 06:19, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

>_> Well, Theirs a point to putting them in, It tells people the similarity to a real world weapon so people know it is indeed a 40s-50s era weapon. Or a weapon imagined in the 40s-50s.

I'll explain again.
  1. If it is an M1 Garand, then why isn't it named that in the game?
  2. Because it is not named that in the game, the resemblance is entirely in the eye of the beholder. And, experience on this site in recent months has shown that gun-enthusiasts, both ignorant and well-informed, have an undending capacity for arguing even the incontrovertibly obvious.
  3. In the interest of peace, we do not list even obvious and clearly true resemblances to real-world weapons.
--Gothemasticator 06:27, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
1, Legal issues most likely, a lot of game developers avoid using a real life weapons name in order to avoid having to pay for the rights to use that name, like with GTA Vice City, it was either the pistol or the M4, before one of them had the name Colt in them, it was later removed due to those issues. 2, Sure sure, eye of the beholder, right, i suppose you know many non-Garand rifles that look exactly like the Garand do you? It's pretty obvious it's based off the Garand, you don't need the developers to outright tell you that to see it for yourselves, seriously the guy who said if they told you it was based on the 1911 you'd believe it was right, because you would and you'd say that no matter how stupid it looks, you can't hide behind your "if the developer doesn't say it, then it's not based on it." argument forever, the Battle Rifle is a Garand, the 9mm is a Browning HP, the .45 pistol is a 1911, those are facts, which is what wiki's are about, showing the facts, get the sticks out of your asses and get over the whole mindset of needing the developers to tell you what real life weapon the in game weapons are based on, hell i wouldn't be surprised if they actually came on here and saw the whole asinine argument about the 9mm pistol being a Browning HP and you guys looking like absolute morons and decided to say it was based off the BHP just to get people like you to shut their damn mouths. Kornflakes89 (talk) 08:24, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
Wait a minute. While (again) I have no issue leaving the article as it stands, I've never liked making the right/a reasonable decision for the wrong reasons. #1 is irrelevant, simply because it insists that overarching categories don't exist. It'd be like insisting that some guy named Jim isn't a human, he's a 'Jim' because that's what hit says on his nametag. #2 is simply unbeatable logic, and not in the good way. Saying that "if it's not specifically labeled, we can never be sure" is a completely irrefutable argument because there's no response to it. Unfortunately, not everything in the world has a specific label attached to it, and everything you describe is ultimately a reasonable assumption. Saying otherwise is...well, denying the concept of reality. And, just in case I haven't said it enough, I'm fine with the current status. The only thing resembling a problem I have is the logic behind it. --Char-Nobyl 20:50, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, Now that you mention it, People did pretty much fill up the talk section of the assault carbine saying "ITS AN M4" or "ITS A SHORTENED M16 FROM VIETNAM". On this page infact we had people saying it wasnt an M1 Garand since it chambered a different round. Well, Whatever, people can make the distinction themselves over what its similar to.

Yeah, that's exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about. And since the game itself and the devs remain silent on the matter, there's no definitive authority with which to end the arguing. So, best to avoid it altogether.--Gothemasticator 06:34, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, Also, I might take the video on the page and replace it with Orcideas new video, Since his video posts information about the weapon on his video (Which he gets from this website xD).

not to incite any more frustration from anyone but due to its uniqueness there's no way it could just be called "M1 garand" giving such a general name to an unique item is almost as bad as giving a name like "that gun" to a pistol, granted i don't care if its in the article or not its fairly obvious and doesn't need to be stated that it is an m1 the service rifle, i can't say for sure but im almost certain its an m16 assault rifle, which id gladly post an image of but i don't want an image non related to fallout floating around the wiki, anyway i suppose its in the interest of not having some idiot who cant see straight and "thinks" hes a gun expert spouting nonsense like, "OMG its not an m1 garand its an m1 garand with 2bolt attachment and extention with low fire rate modifications and high damage output blah blah blaah" so i don't mind. Toolazytomakeaaccount 06:47, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

This Machine=M1 Garand Edit

This Machine is the M1 Garand. The Garand is 30-06 but in Fallout New Vegas they dont have the round so they had to use the closest round chambered.(aka .308) The referance is to Woodie Gutherie and the rifle being used in the Korean War or the Vietnam War and we killed commies in both wars. I should know because I study 1940's to 1970's history. The M14 was created in 1954 and chambers the 7.62 NATO but is a to heavy round for troops so we created the M16.

Please read the discussion section directly above, and be advised that any entry into the article to the effect of equating This Machine to the M1 Garand will be removed.--Gothemasticator 01:23, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

It is Rediculous Edit

How there is even oposition to the fact that this gun has a real world counterpart called the m-1 grand, The gun looks like a grand, and it ejects the clip like the grand, I have yet to find a closer gun to "this machine" as for the ammo, is it really more logical to put in an entire ammo type for one gun? the gun it self could have even been modified for sniping.Superinsomniac 23:54, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

I had a hard time reading what you typed, and an even harder time understanding your point, so I'll break it down.

(1) It has a real world counterpart. That doesn't make the gun itself a Garand. It may look like one, but it's like I always say, "unless the devs said it, it's pure speculation!"

(2) ...Did you even play through the game? Sniper rifle (Fallout: New Vegas) and Gobi Campaign scout rifle are both snipers. And they serve as better snipers than This Machine. Also, the Hunting rifle (Fallout: New Vegas) serves well as a battle rifle, if fitted with a scope.

So your argument is invalid, good night Irene. IncompetentMinion 22:34, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Does a super mutant have skin? I guess you might as well delete any reference to them having skin at all since the developers never said they did, therefor it must be speculation. I'm thinking you don't even know what the word speculation even means.

Ehhh, for some reason this seems to be a controversial topic around here, but I can somewhat understand the Vault's admins' reasoning behind it. The fact is while it most certainly does look like the M1 Garand, the type of ammunition used is strange, however this isn't the first time the ammunition has changed for a gun in a video game setting for possible gameplay purposes. And to be honest, This Machine looks more like the Tanker Garand to me for some reason. So there may still be some debate as to the exact real life origins of the gun. Anyway, I think it's a wise decision to avoid putting in any indication of real life counterparts to any guns from the game. There's other databases/wikis for that anyway. --Distracted Ghost 13:39, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

This is getting too much... Edit

Many facts....and downright fauilts are fould in the preceding arguments.

1. Dating the gun. It was NOT a WWII issued gun (or the chance is in the millinons). If you recall correctly the gun says "well this gun kills commies". The only time we fought commies on a regular basis with that firearm was in the KOREAN war. We even used Garands in very early vietname before the shit hit the fan.

2. Caliber. If you're an avid fan of the Garand I think I am one, I follow up on their manufacturers and no doodads and nonsense you don't need to complicate the gun with.anyway.

The last few years Fulton-Armory (of does the best garand/m1a/m14/m1 carbine/etc work you can't even imagine.

A few years ago they started offering the garand in .270,.308 and the traditional 30-'06.

Springfield armory also did this a couple years that I know of, offering the fine-gun in .308 or 30'06.

My conclusion is that it's a well kept Korea Era m1 Garand with the "well this kills commies" scrawled on it. After the father passed the rifle to a child, the child, being smaller than her father had fulton armor refit for a .308 bore.

Knowing what I know, I figured that out in 5 seconds after I asked myself "how'd it get here?"

another note. THE CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program) regularly distributes M1 garands/carbines and other war-used or war-packed firearms to people willig to pay for them. Any sort of full auto capability is removed beforehand of course.


Remember that the major problem you guys are having is you are comparing real world timeline to the falout timeline. In all appearances it could be a garand. The model, the sounds the way it kicks are all similar to the garand. The fact is, it was never said to be a M1 Garand. There were long discussions with fallout 3 and how the hunting rifle looks like this or that. Unless there is something very specific that links the real world equivalent to the game version, it does not belong. --Kingclyde 02:20, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

That Dastardly "PING!" When we ran-out of bullets were good times for germans to rush US soldiers. Then the Americans got wise and started stringing clips to their rifles, and dropping the empty clip while aiming his rifle with a full 8 round clip installed. He'd drop the clip, making that "PING" sound, germans would advance over bunkers and prompty shot to death by clever americans.

While this probably served in Korea, in fact, in the very very earliest days of vietnam, us soldiers still under 'no fire' rules carried Garands. So either way, they were killin' commies. It is not WWII use (or wwii use and refitted for korea, the stories are endless, which makes it a truly collectable and cherisable firearm.)

Don-Roberto 03:18, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear forgot to use those tilde's. Anyway...

That anecdote about the "ping" is exactly what makes "this machine" the m1 Garand. It being called "this machine" maybe due to the fact no one on the planet knows what a garand is anymore!

How do you know this IS an M1 Garand though? For one, it's chambered for .308/7.62. How do you know this isn't some sort of M1 Garand look-alike? Just because the PING sound when ejecting the clip is heard does not make it a M1 Garand. That's like saying that the ability to remove a magazine on a rifle makes it a M1A1 Carbine. -Shdowhunt60

The fact is that we just don't know what it is. It just LOOKS like an M1 Garand. The matter is dead as it will not be put in the article. All of this discussion will be deleted soon. Thanks. And please sign your posts!--Kingclyde 06:19, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Warning: Do not give This Machine to Boone with .308 JSP ammo Edit

He will steal all of your kills.

Edit request: other places to repair this weapon to 100%? Edit

I know that there's a paladin that is sometimes at the Brotherhood Safehouse that will repair stuff to 100%. Are there any others?

Raul Tejada, a ghoul whom you release from prison on Black Mountain, can do repairs up to 100% and is a possible companion as well. (He's also quite funny: "I'm sure pissing off a ruthless warlord with a tribe of fanatically-devoted warriors was a good move. How could it not be? It was your idea." Wunengzi 03:00, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

mobile version is corrupted Edit

The mobile version is corruptedVault 815 03:40, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

...what does that even mean? Nitty Tok. 03:48, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

The info box does not show up on iphone. It does on other pagesVault 815 04:16, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

This Machine still has 65 DAM Edit

I'm playing from a fully patched run of New Vegas on the 360. I started a new game when the latest patch came out. All of the other weapons they changed in the patch (sniper rifle, missile launcher, energy weapons) have different levels of DAM and you can see the changes on the Pip-Boy. But I just got This Machine and it's DAM remains unchanged at 65. Now keep in mind I'm not complaining I'm just wondering if anyone else is getting this?

It's 55 for me. Are you sure that you don't have a perk or other ammo type affecting it's damage? --Valadez 16:50, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Where can I find a load of .308 rounds? Does the guy at Hoover Dam sell them? Because Conteras is in jail. He was a good vendor. I "accidently" tested my Anti-Material rifle on him. So,were can I buy some ammo? because this is the best gun ever.

I always get mine from the Gun Runners. They don't sell as much as Contreras but they sell more than I ever need. --Valadez 10:11, January 15, 2011 (UTC)


I want to give him this but for some reason whenever I give it to him he fucking slaughters everyone within 500 miles of him, me included. Why is this happening and how do I make it not happen? --BOSPalidan 12:20, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Are you saying boone kills you with this rifle? That's awesome. Zac hemker 18:04, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Ha, sorry, that made me laugh. I think I'll give this to Boone to try out in a little while. This will be interesting considering my current character is a melee/unarmed build. --Distracted Ghost 13:19, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

This is the weapon! Edit

This weapon is one of the best in the game. Pretty fast firing, the cartridge capacity is good and is one of the fatest reload weapons in the game. Add AP ammo, wich can be found in larger quantities, and you are a killing machine. Who needs the AMR? :P :D Brfritos 20:12, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

The Vault policy on real world weapon referencesEdit

We don't put real-world weapon references on article pages, unless it's the same name as the real-world weapon, or if is mentioned by a developer that the ingame weapon is intended to represent a specific real-world weapon.

Multiple copies Edit

Should this be posted as a bug? At level 18, I went and did the quest for the gun. Coming back and talking to Boyd at level 30, I have the option to turn in Contreras and get a second This Machine. Note I did not have the first copy in my inventory. I tried putting the second copy in a desk and talking to her again, but the option was not there. Can someone confirm this? I'm going to wait 72 hours and try again for the option to show up.

EDIT: Waited 72 hours, deposited gun in the 38, came back, asked about thefts, looked at supply computer again, still no option for This Machine. I don't know how it happened, but now I have 2 This Machines. Not that that's bad, though.

it should be noted that the gun "This Machine" and it's inscription are a reference to Woody Guthrie's famous guitar, which had the phrase "This machine kills fascists" painted on the front. i would add this myself, but the page is locked. Chris Day 21:07, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

That's already there at the bottom of the article. And the page is only locked for unregistered contributors according to the header when you go to edit. Great Mara 21:11, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

I've also obtained two copies of This Machine. I first completed the first two parts of the unmarked quest "Dealing with Contreras" in which you go to Isaac near the Gun Runners and Blake in the Crimson Caravan camp. Then I hacked Contreras' terminal and went to Boyd, who got him arrested and gave me This Machine. Contreras then appears in the holding cell, but still has all of his speech options, including the one to go to Miguels Pawn Shop and look for Price. I then let Rex kill Keller (I'm siding with NCR, so I didn't kill him myself to prevent getting infamy). After this I returned to Contreras (still in jail) and told him I worked out a deal with Keller. He then gave me a second This Machine and he says to let you buy his "extra stash". However, since he is in jail, he doesn't have the extra stash.

I didn't see this anywhere in the article and I'm not sure where to add it (notes?) I play F:NV on XBOX 360. -- 19:49, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Policy? Edit

Exactly why does the policy block any innocent bits of trivia? It looks extremely similer to the Garand and I don't see any point in not saying something like that. And don't get stuck into me for posting this in the wrong place, if annoys you that much, copy/paste it to the right page. General Geers 08:58, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

The general policy about naming weapons to real-world counterparts is based on the fact that the developers never said it was specifically modeled after an M1 Garand (although it very much looks like one). We have the same problem with the automatic rifle. Despite looking like a Browning automatic rifle, we can't call it that because a developer never once addressed it as such. We're just trying to keep speculation to a minimum. Best regards, Kastera (talk) 17:00, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
Are you kidding? How is it speculation!? If it looks like a real-world weapon but its not officialy based off it you keep quiet? That doesn't make sense. Just because a dev never yapped about it doesn't change the gun model. It even makes that distinct ping when the last round is fired for gods sake. General Geers 17:12, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
It is the policy of the Vault to not include real world references or similarities to a page, unless called so in-game or by a dev The Vault:Content policy#Similarities to real-world weapons. The reasoning behind the policy is irrelevant as the policy still stands, now if you have an issue with the policy and wish to have it amended, then you need to bring it up on the forums for discussion and a vote and not the talkpage. The talk page is for discussing the page only and not the overall policy of the Vault, end of argument. User avatar tagUser Avatar talk 19:11, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah yeah whatever, short answer: Policy's stupid. General Geers 19:19, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
If you feel so strongly about it and believe that the policy sucks, then why not go about getting it changed instead of sitting here moaning about it and achieving nothing? unless you are trolling. User avatar tagUser Avatar talk 19:57, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
Clearly, I've achieved something, otherwise why respond? General Geers 20:29, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
I guess that answers my question, you are simply trolling. User avatar tagUser Avatar talk 20:48, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
Trolls cannot spell nor use grammar. I'm not trying to insulting anyone either. I'm just making a point. General Geers 21:06, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
  • LOL, he's got a point there. Whether the policy is stupid or not, we all know that it's an M1 Garand. It being said or not in the title makes no difference. However in the off chance that it's called something else I would believe the policy is there to prevent misinformation. Afterall, the Service Rifle looks a lot like an M16/AR15 but is in fact not. Calling it an M16/AR15 would be wrong. So same situation applies here. Does that help make sense, General? - Demon971 @ 15-May-2011 19:27 hrs

Why don't we put something in there that says "The similarities between this weapon and real World War II era weapons display the slowed evolution rate of conventional weapon technology in the Fallout Universe as compared to ours." Also, diversion in the Fallout Timeline didn't occur till the 50's and 60's so you could put it down as the M1 but it could also be the M14 so I guess you can't.--Skipbomber 21:24, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Uh, dude, there was a Desert Eagle in Fallout 1. So no, there was no "slowed evolution rate". Yuri(Leave a message!) 01:02, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

There is a slowed evolution rate for conventional arms in the fallout universe, the Desert Eagle may have been made in 1982 and later but remember the weapon was still in use around 2077 and I'm pretty sure we won't be using Desert Eagle's then. The developers of Fallout 2 and Fallout: Tactics also said it was a mistake for them to use near modern real life weapons and the Desert Eagle could be grouped into that category. And if we are using an M1 Garand type weapon in 2077 there is a slowed evolution of conventional weapons.--Skipbomber 20:53, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

  • Because it's only a one of a kind weapon, I'm pretty sure it wasn't "still in use around 2077". Just like how I own a Lee Enfield No1 Mk III from 1917, most likely This Machine was in the similar role. Probably passed down through a family line. Whoever last owned This Machine most likely inherited it through their fathers to way back from their Great Great Grandfather who fought in WWII or was just someone who owned one in the late 20th century. - Demon971 @ 15-May-2011 19:37 hrs
  • The weapon was still in use around 2077 since the inscription says "This Machine kill Commies", America and China weren't directly fighting until 2066 when China invaded Alaska. And why someone would bring their Grandfather's WWII relic to the front line is beyond me.-- 02:55, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

@Above In WWII the Italian forces the Allies fought were under a Communist rule, and like the Desert Ranger armor helemt, a soldier must've decorated his rifle and carved "This machine kills commies" on it. And as for how a like, 400 year old rifle survived a nuclear holocaust, the owner of the rifle at the time of the war must've kept it preserved, and totally outfitted it to survive. But still, noone noes if this is the famous Garand or not. --WisestWiseGuy101 22:13, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

I wish people would stop arguing about this. Yes, it's probably based on an M1 Garand. But the devs have not stated this, therefore it doesn't go in the article. Besides, we can't be 100% certain that it is a genuine Garand. It could be a foreign copy or something like that, like the Chinese Assault Rifle, it is based on the Khalashnikov family of assault rifles, but it's most likely made by Norinco (since they have a habit of cloning Russian weapons), but it's never stated, so it might as well have been made somewhere in Greenland for all we know. This shit is going to be even worse when Old World Blues comes out, since we see Graham fixing up a bunch of 1911 design pistols, a lot of people are going to be all "This is a Colt 1911A1 Government", but that's the thing, we don't actually KNOW this, the 1911 has been copied all over the world. It could be a Strayer, a Kimber, a Smith & Wesson, a Star Model-P or any other model, the design has been around for 100 years. There are MANY copies that look exactly like the original model. The entire problem with this is that it's going to cause an editing shitstorm by people who are going to argue about the very specific model, or details, or in the case of the 9mm pistol, which is clearly designed after the Browning HP (but not stated to actually be so), some people insisted it was a 1911. Unless it's called M1 Garand, it's not going to be referred to as an M1 Garand. 15:04, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, Sawyer confirmed the 9mm was based on the Browning HP, hence why that page states as much. Other than that, everything else is pure speculation in terms of real world weapons. Even the evolution of weapons in the Fallout world is speculation. Let me put it this way for you, if Armstrong wasn't the first man on the moon in the Fallout world, then nothing is for certain. User avatar tagUser Avatar talk 15:45, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
  • The only thing we know for certain is that everything up to the end of World War II in both our history and the Fallout history is exactly the same. After that, it's all speculation (besides stated canon). It's like setting off the first atomic bomb (Trinity) not only split atoms but split our universe as well, one original and one tangent (Fallout). Or at least that's my imaginative way of mixing quantum physics and fiction together. :) - Demon971 @ 15-May-2011 19:43 hrs
Actually you could argue that it was before WWII since Sunset Sarsaparilla entered production in 1918. User avatar tagUser Avatar talk 01:31, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

you just really fucked up because i dont remember one word from them saying the 9mm pistol is a browning high power so remove that than too--Corporal grif 10:19, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Do you really need them to tell you what the weapon is or isn't? Would you gladly accept them telling you that the 9mm pistol is based on the Berrett M82A1 even though you'd have to be blind and stupid to think either gun look anything alike? It's a Browning HP, get over it. Kornflakes89 (talk) 08:40, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Relation to "Battle Rifle"? Edit

Im not sure where else to post this, as searches for "Battle Rifle" redirect to this unique weapon's page. Blake at Crimson Caravan Company sells a Battle Rifle, that also uses .308 ammunition. However, I can't find any info on the weapon in the Vault. Is it possibly a generic version of This Machine (since it seems somewhat similar, and that weapon had no common variant for repairs) added in the DLC? Just a guess... Maybe I'm just missing something obvious. Could someone enlighten me? - MayaMayhem 10:10, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

You have a mod installed, I believe, and that's where it comes from. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 10:16, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, okay, sorry for that. I was pretty sure I hadnt installed anything that affected available weapons, just WMX gun mod expansion... but, that must be it. Thanks for the quick reply! :) MayaMayhem 10:29, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

WMX adds a Battle Rifle, as with non unique version of the other unique weapons (pretty much what the Gun Runners Arsenal does btw). ~Wyrmalla


The reload sound should incorpoarate the "ping" made when ejecting the cartridge, as it is a characteristic of this gun that makes it stand out a bit more than others. --Valoopy sig Valoopy 04:06, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

M1 Garand issue Edit

It is really a variant thereof

its got the famous clip ejection sound of mi garaand too

im putting it in but if i get busted its going on your head

Aiming Edit

I hate this gun the aiming is awful :(

Firstly, it's 'aiming' and not 'amning,' secondly, while the iron sights are a bit difficult to see through, I can still use this weapon to fend off several enemies at once. You just gotta get used to it. --Bottletopman 09:32, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

the iorn sights are good but shooting at long range is impossible


Bugged visual Edit

My "This Machine" lost its trigger. When carried on my back, the trigger is gone from the visual representation of the gun. It works, and shoots normal, but looks incomplete. 00:29, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

308 M1s Edit

Why are the US Navy conversion, of all the alternatives, mentioned as the example of M1s in 308? These are the least worthy 308 conversion of mention. They weren't the first (several proper rebarrelings were done by the military before and after) or most common (CMP conversions far exceed any other. Even new production M1s originally in 308 far exceed their numbers.) and government testing has deemed the Navy conversion unsafe to shoot. --DX-2052 (talk) 20:26, July 12, 2017 (UTC)

The US Navy version was, to the best of my ability to find out, the only one used by the military in any way that was chambered in 7.62 NATO. The CMP conversions are made by the civilian marksmanship program isn't military, and is not the main version that they sell. The nature of the rifle and its markings seems to heavily indicate that it is a military rifle as opposed to civilian in nature. Lastly, from reading the document you provided, the documents do not say that the rifle was unsafe to shoot, rather that it was unsafe to use with rifle grenades.
However, all of that is immaterial as the note merely stands there to serve as a potential in universe indicator/excuse/rationale as to why a rifle that is normally chambered in .30-06 would be in a game chambered in .308. Richie9999 (talk) 21:09, July 12, 2017 (UTC)

PS3 another bug. Edit

... Someone add another bug to the list cause you can get it twice on the PS3.

I turned in him first with his manifest after dealing with his first two quests. Boyd gave me This Machine and the game let me talk to Contreras, while he was in his jail cell, about his last quest. I shot the ranger and returned to Contreras and he gave me This Machine again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Already covered on the article. DisgustingWastelander (talk) 23:28, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
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