Talk:Service rifle

MAR

do you think this may be a redesign of the 'Military Assault Rifle' to make it seem less modern? (maybe the MAR is a unique version who knows) Mr Habberdasher 21:44, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Is the Chinese Assault Rifle a redesign of the R91 Assault Rifle because the R91's too much like a G3A3? No. Nether is this. Nitty ^Tok. 21:47, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

well those two rifles are completely different models while this and the MAR are the same model (almost), i admit this was just some speculation and maybe this best suited for the forum Mr Habberdasher 11:47, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

I think that this weapon was at least supposed to be based off of the real world AR-10, the primary reason is because it is supposedly a battle rifle in the game, and the AR-15 is not a battle rifle. The AR-10 is a battle rifle, and besides, I doubt the designers of the game would actually base the rifle off an M16 or an AR-15 and then decide that, just because they could, give it a wooden stock. Think about it people, these guys are designing an RPG, so in all likeliness, even though they have features of an FPS in the game, they wouldn't put that much thought into EXACTLY how much the ingame weapon looks like its real world counterpart. They would only put the most familiar features of the real world weapon, for the AR-10 it would be a wooden stock and barrel. So in all likeliness, they wanted this to be an AR-10. Deus Gladiorum 01:13, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

I think it looks WAAAAAY to close to be a seperate weapon. An AR-10-ish rife, AND AR15/M4 rifle? It seems redundant. They probably redesigned it in the face of the "Too modern" complaints. Either way, this looks MUCH nicer.

Picture

The picture you have for this weapon is incorrect- it shows a weapon that resembles an M60 with wooden grips. This is a new weapon and probably needs a new entry, like "light machine gun".

The picture for this weapon SHOULD be the picture of the outside of the helios one station, that shows NCR troops holding the weapon. Also, I do not think this is an AR-10, as the AR-10 never had a forward assist. This resembles an M16 with wooden furniture.69.183.228.55 17:22, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

I think that the picture looks identical to the old one... Nitty ^Tok. 17:22, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well now the right picture is there- the picture for the battle rifle when I left this message was the picture for the Light Machine Gun, which has its own entry now. Since then the picture has been changed to the old one and it's correct. I STILL say it's an M16 with wooden furniture- if you zoom in on the gun in the picture you can see that it has a forward assist- the AR-10 did not!71.234.106.119 19:42, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

the AR-10 original variant did not have a forward assist, but a later variant of it did along with other small new features. Deus Gladiorum 01:23, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

That's like the Colt Commando/M16 controversy. Nobody cares. :P Nitty ^Tok. 01:25, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

I have a concern with this picture. Doesn't the picture look more like the Military Assault Rifle with wooden mods? I'm not trying to be gun expert here, I'm just trying to make sure we don't have to pages for 1 weapon. I mean, look at the front sight and carrying handle. THe mag looks different, but maybe that is a weapon mod too?--With care and happiness, Supermutantslayer450' ROAR 15:05, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Nah, i don't think this is a modification of the Assault Carbine. Unless there's barrel lenght modifications and external modifications, i just don't see how. Plus, if it is in 7.62x45 mm (which I doubt) you would also need a mod that would require you to upgrade the internal parts. I don't see that happening.

Also, notice how on the original AR-10, there's a charging handle on the top of the upper receiver, similar to one on a FAMAS. This in-game model shows no such charging handle that I can see. I see this simply as a prototype M16, and that the Assault Carbine is just a protoype CAR-15. That's my opinion, really. I could easily be worng though. Jovar1 18:36, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

For the last time the weapon is that of the AR-10! How do I know? Because its the AR-10b which looks exactly like the one in the picture. The AR-10b was a design of the AR-10 but used many features of the AR-15. Also, again, can't say this enough. Think about this logically. AR-10 in real life is a battle rifle, just like this gun in the game is a battle rifle. AR-15 is NOT a battle rifle. Oh, and by the way, does this AR-10b look anything like it does in the game image?

File:AR-10b.png

Really guys, come on! There is a hell of lot backing this up as the AR-10. Really think about this. Note: Image might be messed up so click on it for the actual view. Edit: My bad, just realized its actually called the AR-10a2, but its still the same point either way. Also, just to tie this down a bit more. Go here to see my source. This is a really good site, I've used it many times before, and it also can probably help to answer many other gun questions. Screw the gun wiki, this site kicks ass! Deus Gladiorum 02:17, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

AGH! Two guns that look like M16s, but aren't actually modeled after M16s? THERE NEEDS TO BE AN M16 IN THE GAME! Only gun that is halfway decent in MW2. I have grown to love them in any game they could be in, and New Vegas may become my favorite game, so if there could just be an M16.. Or, if there isn't, I could say that this is an M16. Lying to myself isn't so hard...--With care and happiness, Supermutantslayer450' ROAR 04:10, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

You want an M16, because you like it in COD... I assume you think the real thing can only Burst fire as well. - RASIC^Talk 04:39, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

"AGH! Two guns that look like M16s, but aren't actually modeled after M16s? THERE NEEDS TO BE AN M16 IN THE GAME! Only gun that is halfway decent in MW2."

This is Fallout, set in a retro-futuristic wastelad after a fictional World war three, the worst case scenario of a 1950s "World of Tomorrow". All the small arms are meant to look distinctly 1950s as are all the robots and gizmos.

This is NOT a 'tactical' game set in an alternate dreamworld where the only m16s available are A2s and men are made mostly of kevlar, blood and magic, capable of regenarating from fatal wounds in mere seconds. Yourr logic for including an M16 in Fallout three allows me to say "I hope there's an F22 Raptor in TES V, that was the only decent plane in HAWX!"...

The gun does look very AR10, from the wooden stock to the 20 round 'short' magazine to the (if you look) lack of M16 style rear sights.

-Unregistered

maybe the should repalce the military assult rilfe with the origanal m14

Hmm, anyone who thinks that this is an AR-10 ever thought that it might just be an M16 with wooden furniture to make it look more retro in appearance? naturally, it wouldn't have high-tech polymers and plastics all over it, since those types of construction materials were not all that common in the 1950s, and the Divergence page says that plastics would not be common place in this era. Seems to me that this gun is based off the XM16E1, with wooden furniture that matches the color of the original AR-10 (since the AR-10 also had a aluminum "Sullaloy" barrel and plastic composite stock that LOOKED LIKE wood). And the magazine looks very similar to the 20-round magazines that were used before the STANAG magazines were introduced. Which also reminds me that the original AR-10.

And just to the Unregistered user above, even though I didn't write the comment about the M16 and MW2, I do agree that that game is the reason I really got into guns. And no, I know that the M16A4 can be 3 round burst OR fully automatic, and that the M16A1 and A3 is fully automatic. This has absolutely no relevance to my argument though, just wanted to say that for some reason... meh =P

The Jovar 22:56, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

And I'm back. Yes I considered the thought, after all FO3 had a G3 and AK chambered in 5.56mm, it wouldn't at all surprise me it what we had here was basically the bastard child of an M16 and an AR-10 (which is practically gun inbreeding... eugh). I stand by the lack of M16A2 rear sights though. It's an M16-like weapon, not an M16 (thankfully. They'd be such atmosphere breakers). Although, we have missed out one possibility: That's a FO1/2 Ak112 chambered in 5mm... I mean the square foregrip looks familiar and the rest of the gun was rather bland and pixelly. Yes, it does look like a 20 round 'Vietnam' stick mag, so who knows. As for MW 2 getting you ito guns, it's time to spread your wings and fly, cast off MW2's ridiculously effective UMP45 and Mp5, forget the supposed awesomeness of the Magpul Masada/ACR. Time to enter the real world where a single bullet kills and pulling that trigger is something to be avoided...

-Unregistered

Lol i always complain how severely overpowered those two guns are! I haven't played that game in 3 months. But yeah, considering the AK112 in 5mm existed, this gun could be ANYTHING. The Jovar 23:34, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

I don't like the M16 only because it was in MW2. It is my favorite gun in that, yes. But it was also my favorite gun in Left 4 Dead, and those are two of my favorite games. Do I want it simply because it was in these games? No. The design is cool, and it would look awesome on my character. Now, is my preference influenced by the other games? Somewhat. The M16 served me well in the other games. There's nothing wrong with wanting a gun that appeared in another game to be in a new one.--With care and happiness, Supermutantslayer450' YOU. LOSE. 01:59, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and Unregistered? Are you seriously saying all that shit about MW2, and then assuming the that sorta thing would be any different in Fallout? Idiot.--With care and happiness, Supermutantslayer450' YOU. LOSE. 23:58, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Because Fallout:New Vegas will make every single exact mistake MW2 made and no others... New Vegas will have different mistakes. But I don't mind because I can fix them with the GECK! Where's the ability for that in MW2? Seriously. Yes, it will be different. Still Flawed but flawed dfferently. Have a nice day and enjoy being legshot klled by UMP45s

Back on the topic of the gun, has anything been said about it or as it been seen on the inventory screen in videos like some of the the other weapons?-Unregistered.

Hmm... I've literally looked at ALL the previews for a Pip-boy name, or even as a target in VATS. Nothing at all, as of now. So i guess for now we have to wait until it comes out. The Jovar 03:59, August 22, 2010 (UTC)