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The broad term used for such swords is makhaira, of which the falcata is only one example. The sword was also never used by the Roman legions, but instead by their enemies against them. The new section reflects this. Mictlantecuhtli 15:22, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
name[]
it doesn't actually resemble any of those swords listed not a falcata not a makhaira or any of those things. it's just a leaf shaped daggar.
- Makhaira is the historical name for any weapon with that type of blade. Mictlantecuhtli 09:26, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
That Legion Sword looks more like a Kukri then anything, I'm still holding out hope for a true sword however. ReinbachThe3rd
- Exactly my thought! It's pretty close to a Khukri except of the crossguards. As most of the weapons that count to the category of Makhaira (ancient swords with a backward curve) have either a much broader blade or this distinctive hook-shaped and connected hilt maybe it should be mentioned on the article. And it's definetely no dagger, as the Machete Gladius obviously is designed for cutting and not for stabbing. xNOKIx 08:28, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
Speaking of waiting out for a true sword, is anyone else disappointed at the fact that the only 'sword' is the Shiskebab, or the Gladius? Just seems a let down personally, seeing as how I was hoping to pick up a officer'sword. --"If war doesn't change, men must change, and so must their symbols." 01:43, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
looks[]
is it just me, or does this sword look a hell of a lot like the spartans short sword? —Preceding comment was unsigned. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
Safehouse?[]
Can it really be found in the Caesar's Legion safehouse? I am playing 1.02 and am on xbox 360. I find a chainsaw, sniper rifle, and a displacer glove but not a machete gladius. Forgot to sign that Xarxes 16:50, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
- Went ahead and checked; I only found a chainsaw, a sniper, the time bombs, and the displacer glove. No machete. Removing. Nitty Tok. 03:52, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
Specific Locations PLEASE?![]
When you put things like "sometimes carried by the Legion soldiers at Fortification Hill", "sometimes carried by the Legion soldiers at Cottonwood Cove", and "carried by Legion Centurions sometimes" can you either tell several things like for example "Locations of the Machete Gladius are as follows: Rare Chance on "insert npc name here", commonly on "insert npc name here", and always on (blank)? Instead of saying that ANY general member of the Legion at the Fort or Cottonwood Cove may carry them? Characters in those areas include: Recruits, Primes, Veterans, Decanuses (however you spell that), Explorers, Praetorian Guards, Vexillarius, Legion Blacksmiths, Lanius, Vulpes, Caesar, Cursor Lucullus, Aurelius of Pheonix, Decanus Severus, Antony, Otho, Blake, the children, the Legion instructor, or any of the others I might have missed in that giant list. So please for the love of Christ be specific.
- A lot of item lists given for NPCs on this wiki are wrong. As far as I can tell the gladius appears on no levelled item lists at all, centurions never spawn with them, and the only four that can be found in the game are on the named Cottonwood Cove NPCs mentioned in the article.
Weighted Head[]
Could it be assumed that the weighted head is also to aid in decapition similar to a Schimitar ? This seams to be backed up by the fact that you can usually find severed heads on spikes around legion encampments. If so shouldn't this be added to the article ?
This is not a Gladius[]
Which is why it was somewhat hypocritical, as another contributor on this page also complained, to delete my suggestion that this is a falcata/kopis. The developer might not confirm it, but did they ever actually affirm it was based on the gladius? Because even a quick glance at google images will reveal that there is no design of gladius that it even slightly resembles. They've simply misnamed it.
The gladius [1] was essentially a straight double-bladed short sword, used primarily for thrusting. The Spanish falcata [2], which is another of version of the Greek kopis, had a single, forward-curving blade and was weighted so it could be swung like a axe. It could also thrust, but its main strength was cutting, almost the polar opposite of the gladius. Just look at both pictures, and its obvious which of the two swords the Machete Gladius resembles. Its the falcata by a long way. Probably because machetes are used mostly for slashing (making them handy for jungle type situations). The Machete part of the description is spot on (again look at google images). But I'm sorry, the gladius bit was a complete howler on the developers part. They simply didn't do the research properly.
They weren't totally off beam, in that its quite possible that early Roman armies used some version of the falcata/kopis. But the true legionary forces of the Republic adopted the classic gladius.
At the very least this page should acknowledge that the Machete Gladius is not a gladius. Instead it misleadingly claims it follows a "slightly different pattern". Slightly!? Other than them both being swords, there is no resemblance at all!
Try showing some balls and stop treating the developers like gods. They are all too fallible and human.--82.23.89.58 02:08, January 15, 2014 (UTC):
- Alright, where shall I start here. Let's go for your tone first. I don't appreciate the hostility, and you'll have to communicate better if you would like a response in the future. This is a courtesy, and I will explain why we cannot include this information on the main page.
- We are an encyclopedia of Fallout, not a place to post conjectures and speculation. Unfortunately, without developer confirmation, that's exactly what basing the gladius of the falcata is - speculation. I'm a military historian, and while ancient Rome and Greece are not my specialty, I do know enough to make an educated call. To be honest, this weapon looks like a falcata, but it also has resemblances to the fronton, another Iberian sword from the same period. There are elements of both, as falcata generally had a more narrow but rounded point while the fronton was pointed and more bulbous. It could be an error, it could be a combination of both, or it could be coincidentally named based on the most common Roman-era short sword. Point is we don't know, so we can't include any conjecture.
- What I will therefore do is remove the note of the gladius reference, as it is technically the same as a reference to the falcata - speculation. I hope this is satisfactory, as we can leave the assumptions off of the main page and leave it to those with a knowledge of the weapon to come up with their own conclusions.
A Follower Talk 03:40, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
That is a good compromise, and I apologise if the tone of my remarks was offensive.--82.23.89.58 05:00, January 15, 2014 (UTC)