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I think the inconsistency part of this page is invalid. If you read the description closely, everything in it is in the past tense, not present tense. It seems the weapon is analogious to a comparison of the M1 Garand to its eventual replacement by the M16 and its variants.
- The description here is in past tense (since we use past tense for things that happened before the War), but the description in the museum says "Firing standard 5.56mm rounds, the M199 is still the official infantry weapon of the U.S. Army." Ausir 23:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
When I read the terminal in the citidel I thought it was the manfuactures designation that was changed. I am rather curious as to why people think the miltary designation would have changed? I would like to change the page but I think must have missed some sort of info if anyone can help it would be appreciated.(Rifts Juicer 04:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC))
I don't think it's really an inconsistency that the M series was discontinued but were still the most common guns in the Arsenal. After all, it take a long time to phase out weapons and phase in new ones- it's possible that old weapons remained the workhorse of the army while newer weapons were given to more pressing needs- such as soldiers on the front lines of Anchorage, and National Guard soldiers assigned to quell unrest at home. Sort of like how China's military today in real life still has a lot of Type-81 and even Type-56 assault rifles in service, but is phasing them out in favor of the new Type-95 rifles. A similar process happened when the Type-81 was developed, for a significant period of time the Type-56 was still the most prevalent rifle in China's military. So it would be the same way, M series is discontinued, new weapons have "R" designation, but many U.S. soldiers still tote an M series rifle like the M199 as their main service rifle. Speculation: Could the CAR-15 rifle that's been seen in New Vegas screenshots be the elusive M199? If it make a distinctive noise upon ejecting its shells, we'll know71.234.106.119 04:15, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
R91 and M199.[]
I find it kinda of odd with the M199 being the official standard issue US Army weapon, considering that in operation: Anchorage, they were mainly using the R91 Assault Rifles and the M199 were no where in sight.
And that the Citadel Computer Terminal stated that the R series was becoming more favourable then the M series.
Though the possibility for the M199 not being used in Operatio: Anchorage is perhaps that the R91 is more reliable in harsher conditions then the M199. (My theory for this is that the R91 survived the Great War and worked well in Operation Anchorage)
not just that but in Zeta the U.S. Military officer pulls an R91, in OA there is a slim version of the R91 that slightly less banged up I think that is the M199 which would just mean model 199 which is likely its military model.
M199 is the Service Rifle/Carbine[]
27 Nov 2010
I believe the M199 is actually the Service Rifle we see in New Vegas. It meets all the conditions, 5.56x45mm, semi-automatic, etc and being similar to the M16 design, I would believe the Army considered too frail for service anymore and inclined to adopt a firearm with a well deserved track record of rugged reliability (although of course overlooking the fact that it is also quite inaccurate in comparison but makes up for firepower output). This would be extremely consistant with the US Armed Force's current search for a standard issue rifle to replace their aged M16/M4 family of rifles since they are looking into adopting or modifing to a piston-operated rifle (like the HK SCAR, similar in mechanism to the AK47 and other earlier automatics from that era, but with refined materials and manufacturing) and stepping away from the gas-operated M16s. This is just common knowledge among the military circles and does not reflect my real opinion of the weapons.
Anyway, I would say that Obsidian Entertainment inadvertantly solved the broken link!
--Demon971 22:21, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe, maybe not. However, until it's confirmed by a developer or in-game, it remains speculation and can't be put into the articles.--WouldYouKindly 22:25, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Indeed. That's why I've mentioned it here for discussion. I don't believe the developers would have intended that when they designed the Service Rifle, however it very closely matches the aspects mentioned in the (somewhat vague) description of the M199. The only discrepancy in my theory is the M199 being nicknamed "The Backtalker", whereas the Service Rifle's report upon firing is rather common sounding. Basically, I'm just trying to fill in the gaps here. There are many things mentioned in the canon that actually have no ingame tie ins. So my logical surmise is that the Service Rifle design is likely the link to the M199 and gives that part of the chain (of military hardware progress) something that can be pictured. Even though this is just speculation, I believe the similaries and possibility of this connection should still be worth noting in the article. Interested in more input. --Demon971 05:37, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
Its possible the service rifle is an adaptation after the war developed by the NCR, however it seems more like the M16 to me, but that may have not existed in the FO universe at all. --I like the noise my rifle makes "Carter190s" 18:41, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
I know that the comment is 2 years old but i just wanna point out the SCAR is made by FN, not H&K
I think the Honest Hearts DLC weapon 'The Survivalists Rifle' which is a modified Service Rifle needs to be considered. From reading game lore 'The Survivalists Rifle' was originally a U.S. checkpoint guard carbine used in Canada, issued from the Long Branch Arsenal in Toronto, Ontario, USA territory, the rifle was standard U.S Army issue meaning the service rifle was used by the U.S Army this is what make me believe the service rifle is the M199 with the The Survivalists Rifle being a M199 variant.
Phase out[]
Ok lets get this straight The RN1 was probably quite new to the USAF, it was given to the national guards which is why its found in abundance in DC to probably replace their M199's because it could or is more reliable. The only actual proof of the war effort and army was through the anchorage sim which was apparently very twisted in its use of history Eg. Vertibirds, Chimeras Etc. It likely during the period the army was still in the process of replacing the old rifle and the sim version was already in a period where it was completely phased out of service. The lack of this rifle is due to the fact that the weapon had already been removed from service around DC and or surviving variants would of been destroyed in the war or degraded due to overuse and poor maintenance (similar to the theory about T-51b power armour) which is highly likely given the lack of skilled training throughout the wasteland (the exceptions of groups like the Brotherhood or gunsmiths).
Thats my theory anyway, hope we might see it in future games --I like the noise my rifle makes "Carter190s" 18:37, November 5, 2011 (UTC)