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non-canon vaults
Why are the Van Buren/Fallout Bible/ect Vaults (such as Vault 27, Vault 68, Vault 70) etc listed in with the "Known Vaults?" They're from non-canon sources including an unreleased game. Surely they belong in the "Vaults outside the main continuity" section. --Darthfish (talk) 05:29, October 29, 2019 (UTC)
- If you can provide a Bethesda source eliminating the Bible then they can be moved.
Tagaziel (call!) 06:05, October 29, 2019 (UTC)
The entry on Fallout canon explicitly calls out the Fallout Bible as being non-canon.
- "The Fallout Bible by Chris Avellone is not canon, but serves as a useful commentary on the first two games. Some setting elements introduced in the Bible have been further developed in Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas. Some erroneous elements of the Bible were later corrected either in following issues of the Bible, in the games or by the developers themselves. In 2011, Chris Avellone recommended against using the Bible to determine canonicity.[2] Any content using the Bible without separate verification from a canon source should include a non-canon warning."
--Darthfish (talk) 06:16, October 29, 2019 (UTC)
OMaaCP
Much like an earlier question, why are some vaults that are listed in non-canon sources like the Fallout Bible and Van Buren listed in the section for Semi-canon, non-canon and vaults of unknown canonicity, while Vaults 43, 69, and 77 are listed in Known vaults, even though the only canon reference is a vague mention in Fallout 3 for Vault 77? I understand that Emil Pagliarulo co-created the One Man, and a Crate of Puppets comic, but since Vaults 43 and 69 are only mentioned in that comic in comparison with 77 being mentioned in Fallout 3, this should at the very least render Vaults 43 and 69 in the section for Semi-canon, non-canon and vaults of unknown canonicity, especially since the One Man, and a Crate of Puppets comic is no-where to be found on the page for Fallout canon. --MalamuteSable (talk) 18:25, September 27, 2020 (UTC)
- One man a crate of puppets was released prior to the release of Fallout 3, and with Emil working on, it is officially supplementary material. Why it's not on the canon page? It doesn't need to be, it's included with the sentence of "its add-ons are produced by Bethesda, therefore are canon, as are all other games and supplementary materials released by Bethesda." Also, we cannot decide the canon status of the comic. Its events can be thoroughly argued but it mentioning those Vaults as existing officially makes them canon. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 18:34, September 27, 2020 (UTC)
Additional Installations... and Vault 29
If we include structures like VTU or Vault-Tec: Among the Stars in the list of vaults, we should move Whitespring Bunker and the rest of those listed in the ==Additional Installations...== into the top category.
Vault 29 is listed twice in Non-Game and Non-continuity.
Merge non-game and non-continuity. They are synonymous.
Scribe-Howard (waster93) (talk) 22:25, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
- Not really, most Vault's listed in non-continuity aren't canon, while those listed in Non-game are mentioned in games, but don't appear, it's just that they've become synonymous. Not sure what the deal with vault 29 is, so I'll look into it. As for the structures, I'm not sure if they should be on this page - it made sense for the Los Angeles demonstration vault, which was a fully functioning vault, but I'm not sure about the Museum of Technology and Nuka-World exhibits. Aiden4017 (talk) 23:55, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
- No to merge, yeah to additional installations. Tägäżïël 09:33, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Fallout Bible is not Canon
The Fallout Bible is not canon. Stop trying to put Vaults from the Fallout Bible in a "mentioned-only" category or the like to backdoor them in as canon. They are not.
"So, there's actually different versions of the Bible, too. A lot of the stuff from the Bible is on- public on the Fallout Wiki, online, and you can look at that stuff. For us, it's always... for us, canon always starts with what is in the games. And so... it's what is in Fallout 1, Fallout 2... even some of like, Fallout Tactics is- there's some stuff from canon from Fallout Tactics as well. And our Fallout games. So, we always look at what's in the games first, and then we go to the Fallout Bible and look at the stuff. So, some of the stuff that is in Fallout 3 that is now canon came from the Fallout Bible, some of that fiction. And so... it depends. We look at the Fallout Bible and some of the lore that really... was written, y'know, back in the day. It makes sense and we use that and put it in our games. We don't just assume that everything in the Bible is canon. We have to take it step-by-step inside. It's a judgement call." - Emil Pagliarulo
In short; if it's from the Bible and it's not explicitly mentioned, then it's not canon. Daytebayte (talk) 08:58, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- I agree - non-canon Vaults should be moved to a subpage. For example: List of Vaults/Non-canon. Scribe-Howard (waster_93) (talk)
09:25, 6 May 2021 (UTC) - I disagree. The documentation is from Tim Cain's notes on the subject that were included in the Bible, not an original invention by MCA. That's what the policy states. Тагазиэль 10:46, 6 May 2021 (UTC)