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Safe Storage in Zion

did you guys tried any container to see if it's safe to stash equipment? just started to play and I'm already full of stuff I'd like to keep. tks! Apparently the Three Bags right in the entrance of Zion National Park ARE safe for stashing equipment. I play on 360 and left all my stuff there during the whole Add-on campaign. (just remind the 'Take All' bug where not all yr equipment are retrived when using this option.)

I used the Workbench Storage crate in Angel Cave. Saved, then waited a week to see if it emptied. It didn't, so I reloaded my old save and carried on. The time consuming part is getting it all back to the motel in Novac afterwards. BunnyCommando 12:25, May 25, 2011 (UTC)


Are there any Skill Books in this DLC? My friend swears he found one but I did not. --JJakaRebel 00:18, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

I've found a Big Book of Science.

That's what my friend said he found. Where did you find it? --JJakaRebel 02:41, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Man, I'm not sure which one, but I've found it in one of the caves, I guess it was Cueva Guarache, but I'm not sure. Sorry :/

Ok That's fantastic. That's exactly where my friend said he found his Big Book of Science. --JJakaRebel 17:06, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

I found a Tales of a Jerktown Junky Vendor and a Chinese stealth book in the same container. It seems as though the skill book(s) received may be random. 20:46, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

You can find them in containers near workbenches and such but they are really random and unlikely to find, the Big Book of Science is the most common one though. --Cc99910 18:41, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

I found about 3 Big Books of Science in random containers (win!), but I didn't see any other skillbooks in the whole add on. --Supersoviet8055 13:38, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

Are you able to....

go back? i mean theres all that stuff to do and if you don't even know about it..... THANK YOU ATTENTIVE SIR!!!!! For letting me know.

Yes. You are able to go back as much as you want. Companions aren't allowed, however. --JJakaRebel 02:53, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oh no not again..... My copy is massively glitched. The Xander Root model is missing and shows up as big red diamonds with exclamation points inside. Neither the General Store nor the Saloon have floors -- unless you stand on something, you go into an endless looping fall -- and they are filled with the aforementioned red diamonds with exclamation points. This is depressing.... Wunengzi 04:16, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


Another bug? 18 may 2011


I have this game with both the addons Dead Money and Honest Hearts.

I've made sure to check every .esm box when I run the game through the launcher. Dead Money works fine, but Honest Hearts does not. When I played Dead Money for the first time it gave me a quest saying 'come to the opening of the sierra madre' or something like that. Honest Hearts doesn't give me a new quest at all. Is this normal or am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance August Cyrx 17:59, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Mine is as well. The local GameStop told me to call Microsoft but I am unsure what that will accomplish if it's a user error or anything to that sort.

get the new update. 6 iirc

I got the new update when I downloaded it. What else do you suggest I do?

I had that problem but it cleared up immediately once I dismissed my companions. 17:11, May 27, 2011 (UTC)Helena


what is it? I'm locked inside Zion and can't find all ingredients do carft it.

The workbench recipe with all the pots and pans in it? It's just a way to create scrap metal. Same thing for the recipe with the plates and utensils. I believe I got 1 scrap metal out of the pots and pans recipe. 21:24, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

BUG - Weapon mods bought from Joshua Graham

I'm on the xbox360 and none of the weapon mods added for the honest hearts weapons apply when bought they just sit in my inventory. Tried multiple times, reloaded saves, etc and was wondering if this has affected anyone else. 19:47, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm slightly confused. Did you manually try and apply them? They don't automatically appear on your weapon. You have to do it yourself. --JJakaRebel 20:40, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Haha now I feel really stupid, rightly so as well. I had completely forgotten about needing to apply them, thank you. I'll just go and quietly weep at my own stupidity now :) 21:12, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

New Map Marker

Dagger's Point is not listed with the other locations, it's directly east of The Bend Bridge, on a point of land sticking out towards the bridge. There is a half buried duffle bag with a Vault 22 Jumpsuit and other stuff in it near a half buried skeleton, some Xander root plants and a Mesquite tree are nearby.BigShayne08-1 21:55, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Strong back

I have the strong back perk (like nearly everyone else), and it definitely does not let you bring 100 pounds of stuff...the message still appears saying 75, and it didn't change until I talked to Ricky. LucidDreams 02:17, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yes it does; when you speak to Jed Masterson and you select the dialogue choice that says you want to leave, he should explain the whole weight limit thing and there will be a barter check along with a dialogue choice for strong back. I know I definitely was able to select it with him and I've seen an LP with it as well. 02:24, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

White Legs in Zion After Completion of DLC?

Yeah, I don't think that they're still around at the end. I ended up wiping out the white legs an as a result there are NO white legs left in Zion. Therefore, the note about the people left following the completion of the DLC may be incorrect. Also, the Sorrows and the Dead Horses are still there but Graham, Daniel, Follows-Chalk and Walking Cloud are gone. Two Bears High Fiving is still around though. Richie9999 04:05, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

I had just noticed that currently the page states "It's important to note that after you have completed the DLC, no more "good" characters will be left in Zion. This includes the Dead Horses and Sorrows tribes. If the player feels the need to explore, it would be a good idea to do so before the final quest. Also, whether or not you decide to take Daniel or Graham's route for the final quest, White Legs will still appear in Zion after the completion of the DLC."

After completing Daniel's ending and then persuading Salt-Upon-Wounds to leave through a speach check; -No white legs are around at all -The actual DH and S tribes have gone but I often find Dead Horse stalkers sneaking throughout zion (renamed with something similar to Canaanite Follower??!) -Any other named NPCs have all left too. Tom.kendal 10:09, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Disappointment in the DLC

Did anyone else think that this DLC was way too short? Compared to all of the content from Fallout 3, and FNV's Dead Money, I found that I beat it in like 2 hours, with all of the content explored, all of the text read. I revisited to get some of the unique item's that I had previously missed, but all-in-all that only added another 45 minutes worth of time to get every single location, as well as all of the unique armor & weapons. Also, I feel as if the "legend of the burned man" was cool, but Joshua Graham was just so minor in an already miniscule plot depth. I mean with every other DLC there has been some mystery or deep enticing lore behind all of the content. For example Mothership Zeta had so much content explaining what the space ship was doing there in the first place and all of the characters from different time periods had their own stories, as well as Operation Anchorage had its own special feeling to it of espionage & sabotage in a foreign land, and Dead Money, had the whole mystery factor to everything, with Vira and her lover, and the vault at the bottom of the casino. Anyways, getting back on track, I just thought it was over all a disappointment. I found the lore associated around the burned man was interesting, but then when you see him, and talk to him, with the very limited communication options, and responses, to be an overall disillusionment. To emphasize what the point I'm making, I found the lore around "The father in the cave" aka Randall Clark to be much more interesting than the burned man. Lastly, the fact that they killed off 3 named NPC's in the first 5 minutes of the DLC was a disappointment, I would've suggested a capture by the White-legs, and then maybe an escaping the White-leg camp as a quest where they maybe die because of their vices, shown by the one being a chem addict, etc. Anyways, I would really like someones input on this also, so someone please respond, thanks. GodMaroh 06:05, May 19, 2011 (UTC)GodMaroh

Although this DLC increases you cap by 5 and has a few good weapons and armor, I agree that it lacked a certain depth that other DLC's have had and its length was a little dissapointing. Is it worth the money? Yes. In my mind it's still worth the money. --JJakaRebel 06:13, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree it's an OK quick play through, and is in fact worth the money, I disagree with the weapons & armor statement though, nothing tops Chinese Stealth Armor & Gannon Family Tesla Armor or Remnants Armor, IMO, and I'm a ranged weapons person myself, so I use everything except explosives and melee/unarmed stats, so Nothing really topped the items I already have, especially the godly Holorifle. Even the melee weapons you received weren't much, as they didn't top anything in the vanilla FNV. But other than that, I enjoyed the extra 5 levels, and some of the Story Line in Honest Hearts, but the negative aspects including perks, weapons, armor, and depth, made me disappointed.( Yes, I also disliked the perks that were added in HH.)GodMaroh 06:56, May 19, 2011 (UTC)GodMaroh

I should clarify; I only like the Survivalist's Rifle and the .45 Auto submachine gun for weapons. For the armor, the only thing good is the Desert Ranger combat armor as it has a high DT for a medium armor(the only armor I wear). The only perk I thought was useful was Grunt as it gives a nice boost to most Non-energy weapons in the game. Exploration-wise, The DLC lost its charm after an hour. There isn't too much to do after you complete the quests and find 90% of the locations. JJakaRebel 18:06, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

You two pretty much covered all of the points, but yes I loved DM much more than HH. Even the open narrative was just sort of "eh". I was greatly looking forward to this DLC; I mean I stayed up until 1:30 that night waiting for it to be released. (DLC's apparently don't follow the same rules as movie releases) I do think that a lot of the weapons and armor are ridiculously good. Even so, the benefits of completing DM are worth so much more (infinite stimpacks, ammo, weapon repair kits, and even the gold bars are all possible through DM) I really just wanted a lot more, if anything they could've just expanded on the story. DM had about 4 characters but those 4 characters mean more than the entire Zion Canyon. I hope Old World Blues can remedy HHs failures. BatmanVampireNinja 02:33, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

I hate to make accusations like this, but I find it a little hard to believe you finished it in two hours. Perhaps you weren’t paying attention to the time but I think it probably took you longer than that.

I played it through three times total, and my third time was a speed run to see just how fast it could be done. I completed all the quests in the game including both companion quests, the Rite of Passage quest as well as playing both ending quest lines and did nothing else, no picking up loot or exploring, and that took me 3 hours. I suppose if you skip the side quests and skipped through the conversation you could shave maybe 20-30 more minutes off of that, but keep in mind when I was through with that speed run I hadn’t even discovered half of the locations on the map and didn’t do one bit of exploring.

So to answer your question, no I didn’t find it too short.

Yeah, did anyone think that this was way too easy. It was a pleasant change from Dead Money which chewed me up, spit me out, raped what was left, set it on fire, then raped it again, but it was enjoyable. Honest Hearts was almost too easy, the only reason I didnt beat it within 3 hours is my save glitched in such a way that the ending cutscene wouldnt load so i rage quit. Desert Ranger Combat Armor is totally worth buying it though. -- 01:59, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Please stop saying its worth the money. If the CEO's of Besthesda read this they will stop putting effort into the add ons for future Fallout games.

Optional Quests Misconception

NOTE: Some of the "optional" quest are glitched and complete after one of the objectives is completed. This was tested on an Xbox 360, not other platforms. (Confirmed on PC as well.)

I believe the above to be inaccurate? I assume it relates to quests similar to and including the one where you must either wipe out White Legs Camp or steal their tribal totem (sorry for lack of name)...

Both are optional objectives however on completion of one; the entire quest is complete...

I believe these to be moral and/or playing style choices to give the player two options as to how they want to complete the quest; NOT a glitch of any sort? Tom.kendal 10:16, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Actual Confirmed Number of Locations in HH

Again, my complaint lies in why there can't be a simple "Locations Discover out of x"

I've now discovered 245 in NV, DM and HH. I know I discovered all the locations in the Mojave and DM (not including Legates Camp)but am not sure how many that number is? Or indeed how many there are in HH.

So I feel we should include the total number of HH locations on the main page and i would appreciate if someone could give us a total number all together? Tom.kendal 10:21, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Why don't you just count the locations that it lists in the "Locations" section of the Honest Hearts add-on page? I counted, there are 55. GodMaroh 19:07, May 19, 2011 (UTC)GodMaroh

Just type "tmm 1" in the console (save before, not after), count all map markers and there you go! - IPodged 03:44, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Story section

Erm... where is it? Don't tell me we're not showing it due to the spoiler butthurts. Trolly Polly Olly 21:21, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

It was vandalized, I restored it. Ausir(talk) @fandom 00:52, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Legion Problems?

I came back the the Mojave after completing HH (fought the White Legs, stopped Joshua from killing salt-wounds)and all legion soldiers outside of Cottonwood cove and the Fort are hostile towards me. My rep with Legion is "Liked" but the troops at Nelson, Legion Raid Camp, and techatticup mine are all hostile on sight. Anyone else had this problem?

I had a similiar problem with the NCR after completing HH, though I evacuated the Sorrows from the Canyon. The only way the NCR won't attack me is if I disguise myself as one of them, though certain guards will try to get me. Even the Crimson Canyon tries to attack me. Bear in mind my reputation with the NCR is "Idolized". (Note: I put this in the bugs section of Honest Hearts.) I haven't checked with all the factions though. (I made enemies with Caesar's Legion long before the DLC, though.)

Yea , that sounds just like my problem. I havent tried with my NCR character yet, but both of my legion characters have this problem

Companion glitch prevents starting the DLC

So I removed the line on the wiki page saying "traveling to Vault 22, and then taking the elevator to level 5 should cause ED-E to appear next to you" because I tested it on Xbox and it didn't do anything. If it works for someone else's platform then add it back but be specific which platform it worked on.

I'm playing on Xbox. Right now I have the glitch where ED-E is stuck in the entrance to Bloodborne Cave, and I've already slogged through Dead Money. I tried travelling to every level of Vault 22 and it didn't pop him back out, tried Vault 21 as well with no luck. Does anyone else have any suggestions for fixes, besides waiting for a patch which who knows how long it will take them to develop? Going back to a previous save is not a "fix" either. (though it is what I'm angrily contemplating now...) ~Jenny

Hey Vault 22 Always works for me on Xbox360 when I loose a companion so I don't know why it isn't working for you, I'm going to put it back in as a POSSIBLE fix but it appears it doesn't work for everyone. EDIT:Nvm looks like its locked oops! ~Thrasher

Companions: OK so Boone and ED-E followed me to Zion. Jed didn't even comment on them. There was nothing preventing my companions from following me. When we got ambushed, Boone and ED-E didn't even engage in combat. Is this a glitch? (I think it is) Has this happened to anyone else?

Messing with page

Whoever is erasing the info page for Honest Hearts and replaces it with vulgar and inapprotriate words please stop, thousands of people who are stuck would appreciate it.

It's not like the S.O.B. cares!


Please, whoever is replacing the info with twelve-year-old-curses stop. We worked in making that page, and some people want it to complete their game... Eskxhi 05:52, May 20, 2011 (UTC)


We should mention that the patch that came with Honest Hearts breaks the GECK editor... so if you wanna do editing with the geck, until they release an update, you've gotta use the earlier version. 08:10, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Uh, the patch that added compatibility for Honest Hearts came out a bit before the expansion was released, and they provided a new GECK to go along with it; I'm using said GECK with a fully up-to-date (because Steam won't let me not update) New Vegas with no problems. Maybe you just haven't downloaded the updated GECK yet. 02:07, May 21, 2011 (UTC)


Im on the xbox360 and when i went to start the quest to enter zion, i talked to jed and everything and when i got to he end of talking to him i told him the strong choice and i entered zion being able to carry 270 pounds worth of stuff, is this a glitch? alot of people say you can only carry up to 75lbs or a 100lbs?

Crashed Plane??

Theres a crashed plane by that Angel cave place is there any information in the DLC about it?Nbyk goughy 11:38, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Table form quest list?

Is this forming necessary? Because the quest rewards list sometimes too long for a single table cell. I think the forming should be reverted. --The BuNFi 17:49, May 25, 2011 (UTC)


So it says on the release date for PS3 that it's "Q2". What exactly does that even mean? Kastera (talk) 02:39, May 26, 2011 (UTC)

Depends on Sony, because without Playstation Network, impossible to get. --The BuNFi 20:39, May 26, 2011 (UTC)


I completed HH with minor problems, even found the Survivalist's Rifle with ease. I'm back in the Mojave and I open the footlocker and get all the neat goodies. I fast travel to the Gun Runners to offload what I got. After I make a big fat barter excgange and back out of conversation, I go to my Pip-Boy and the game freezes, every time. I'm on XBox 360, BTW. Anyone else with the same problem? Any hope of another patch soon?--€;-£ 01:32, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

since iv downloaded honest hearts, im always crashing at the vendetron, and when booting up the game it never loads, so have to use a previous save then reload in game. these are the only problems iv had since the game came out. ziplobthud pop the zip 23:04, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

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