Talk:Head of State

Bugs

Don't post this kind of thing in the article, it should go in the discussion page--Clean Up 21:03, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Caleb Smith

Quite simply, if Caleb dies before you have a chance to give him the picture of the Lincoln Memorial, there is no way to send Hannibal and the rest of the slaves to the Memorial, and the quest cannot be completed unless you help the slavers destroy the slaves.67.172.16.255 21:37, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Aimless Wandering?

I followed the "bug-free" directions as best I could, but it still doesn't seem to work, the caravan just wanders around in no particular direction. Here's what I did: I talked to Hannibal Hamlin and Caleb at the temple and got the quest, I fast traveled to the museum and got the poster (and the rifle and the doll and etc). Left the museum and walked to the Lincoln Memorial. Briefly talked to the first guy outside, then killed them all including Leroy. I fast traveled back to the temple, and talked to Hannibal, then Caleb, then Hannibal again. Then I went outside and waited for 2 hours. I waited for the caravan to leave, then I fast traveled to the Mall Northwest station. I waited there for 24 hours. The caravan appeared at the top of the escalators at the Mall Northwest station. So far so good, right? But then, instead of walking to the Memorial or whatever it is they're supposed to do, they start wandering in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION. They go to the metro station beneath Underworld, wander aimlessly through it, then just keep going north or east for no reason at all. They were 100 yards from the Memorial at the Mall Northwest station. What the hell? I saved my game after killing all the slavers and before talking to Hannibal and Caleb to start them on the trip, but it seems no matter what I do, once they get to the Mall Northwest station they head off in the wrong direction. -- Sz1985 07:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I have the same problem, but at a different point. I waited at the memorial for weeks and Hannibal never showed, so I went back to a previous save to see what happened. about halfway through the journey they turn west after leaving the first metro, and swim across the river. they then continue to head west for MILES. My suspicion is the burning cars, at that station I blew up a car by the exit during a battle, and when he approached the car he seemed scared and headed across the river, although on a repeat of this he went clear around a hill to the north, then across the river. Several times they act like they're going to turn around but see a car and turn back, spending days and miles more looking for a "carless route" and sense they tend to use streets, this is rather rare. If anyone knows a fix it would be much appreciated, as I'm sure it will be years before Hannibal ends his 'Tour'de Wasteland.' --Swizzler 20:28, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

While looking for a fix I tried making them wait, then fast traveling to the Lincoln memorial and sleeping. They arrived after 24 hours, but like the case above, headed the opposite direction. I waited another day, but they never showed back up, so I'm guessing they also headed NE somewhere, I wasn't able to find them. --Swizzler 21:28, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I had this problem too, where they headed the wrong direction... after waiting 24 hours more I checked back at Temple of the Union and they were on the top floor, starting their trek again... they finally wound up back at the top of the Metro station and went the right way this time... Ductyl

Third time's a charm! Taking celty7's advice below, I Did my above fix, then after fast traveling (before sleeping 24 hours) I looked for bodies around the memorial. I found 4 super mutant bodies, and fragged them all (turned them into bits.) Afterward I slept 24 hours, and met with Hannibal by the metro entrance, He thanked me and rewarded me, Quest complete! Should this be added to the "safe non-bug" method of finishing this quest? (the 'wait here' then fast travel, frag bodies and sleep part?) --Swizzler 22:33, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Auto complete Quest in PC

My problem is the game just complete the quest itself. What I have done was found slavers and accepted quest during my GNR quest to replace the disc array. I recalled that after accepting the quest, those slavers run to a metro station and disappeared (I was not aware at that time). I then focused on other quests afterward. When I was near Temple of the Union, I heard a big missile bang noise. I thought slavers lost because they were running away from building. But when I approached and discovered the place, I found slaves' corpses (including Caleb Smith, Four Score, a bi-head cow). While I was investigating the others, those slavers come back and told me they didn't trust me and killed those slaves themselves. Quest was forced to be completed with 390XP. NB: I'm not sure whether it's related to my Karma...as my karma was always "Very Good"...

This seems obvious. You told the slavers where they were, or at least agreed to do so, and then left them alone. After enough time passed, they went and attacked themselves. The world doesn't always stop when you ignore it. It only stops if you never triggered it in the first place, heh. --DarkJeff 10:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I had a problem that the map said the group was there above the metro but it wasnt , so i went back to the union home and went to were i killed the slayers and there was only the master slayers body there so i blew it up fast traveled to metro and there was the group. celty7

Bug on Slaver's Side

I received the quest from Hannibal, but went to the memorial and sold them to the slavers. Then they told me they were going to take care of the Temple of Union and i could go with them if i wish. Traveled some time with them (there's a tricky ambush with super mutants and grenades in the path) but they don't fight alongside you against raiders so I fast traveled when I lost them and had to wait until they arrived. They camped outside the Temple and when I talked to Leroy he triggered the attack. The slavers stormed in the Temple under some heavy crossfire and i took a sniper and began shooting slaves firing from the windows, I killed Hannibal myself and when the place was safe and cleared I found the slavers up and down the stairs eternally searching for victims. I had to resurrect Hannibal and let him be killed by Leroy's troops to get quest completed.

Also, If you fast travel back to the memorial after telling Hannibal that its all clear for them to stay there, there is glitch that he wont show up at all, even if he tell you to meet him there and he sets off. But this might be my computer so it needs to be confirmed. I waited over 120 hrs for him and he didn't show, and I even loaded an earlier game and it still didn't work.

Paradise Falls

If you take the quest "Head of state", Then go to little lamplight and get the quest to rescue the Children from the slavers at paradise falls.(assuming your karma's good and you kill all the slavers)Head over to the Museum of history, get a Artifact to sell to Leroy walker. Upon coming back to the the Lincoln memorial, The slavers will become hostile and your only choice is to kill them. when you do the quest Head of state updates and says find the runaway slaves.

A quick Fix

If Hannibal's group fail to disembark and end up standing around/moving in circles, begin physically pushing them. I did this after waiting a day and a half both at the Temple of the Union, and at the Memorial itself, along with walking the entire Pip Boy route...I got frustrated and started pushing into all of them, and as I pushed the Brahmin, the entire part began moving. Hurray for frustration!

Lincoln's Head

After having the quest complete successfully, the slaves should set up tents outside the memorial and the statue of Lincoln should have it's head back. It is possible the brahmin never shows up, even though everyone else did, and they do not set up tents and the statue remains headless.

Unable to complete Quest in PS3 & 360

After telling Leroy Walker the location of Hannibal Hamlin and the Temple of the Union, the slavers begin their trip towards their prize. On their way towards Temple of the Union I decided to kill the slavers and then help Hamlin get to Lincoln Memorial. When Hamlin arrives at the foot of the Lincoln Statue he pauses, and along with his Hunting Riffle, Hamlin pulls out a rake, plus the quest to kill all the slavers can't be finished.

This is usually caused by missing the last slaver, Leeroy Walker himself, who is actually underneath the statue. Before going up the steps turn left and the path will lead through some stacked tires to a door that goes into the memorial called "Door to Memorial Maintenance Room". Go inside and you will find Leeroy Walker - killing him after killing all the slavers outside caused the final part to unlock and the ability to talk to Hannibal Hamlin to complete the quest. ( Add-On: After Killing all slavers while on the quest, Hannibal remains at The Mall Northeast. He keeps saying that there are still slavers around the memorial. The memorial is cleared of all traps and slavers and still no progression from the earlier status.)

Another Bug. Just a note the route Hannibal went with me was, to Friendship Heights, Farragut West Metro Station, Swim across the river, Vault 101, Fairfax Ruins, Nuka-Cola Plant, Arlington Library, The Citadel, across the bridge, past Irradiated Station, then Jefferson memorial (massive detour here, the Enclave hold the place and have erected barriers, Hannibal walks around the whole place...in circles*sighs*) Thats about 5 hours to discover that bug. The solution was to leave them to it and go elsewhere, and just keep an eye on the quest marker, eventually they just appeared at Anacostia Crossing and made it the Lincoln Memorial.

Yet another bug -

It is possible that if you start the mission after having started the mission "Take it Back" Liberty Prime will kill most of the party.

I went to the memorial, found out they were slavers, then killed them all. Then went back to The temple and spoke to Hannibal Hamlin after giving the picture to the other guy. He then says about leaving in an hour, so i jumped to the memorial, they weren't there... waited for hour or so at memorial. They weren't there! went back to the temple... Weren't there. Then following the route the Pip-boy told me, their bodies weren't encountered. They had just vanished off the map.

In another instance, upon completing the quest for Hannibal Hamlin, a significant bug is activated by speaking to one of the members of the caravan as they leave the Temple of the Union site. The whole party freezes in place, and thus can never reach the Lincoln Memorial. This prevents the player from completing the quest, and thus receiving the Schematic, experience, or Karma.

Edit: The bug I had occurred in a different scenario involving the same quest. The slavers recruited me to find Hannibal and report back and so I did. I found the Temple of the Union, but I do not recall asking Hannibal why he was holed up; and I was asked to get the poster for Caleb. Anyway, I sold Hannibal out and told the slavers that Hannibal was at the Temple of the Union (I never did get Caleb his poster beforehand). The slavers went in and wiped the place clean, thanking me for my help and then going on their way. So, I did not receive the achievement for completing the quest as a bad guy either.

Edit: I had the problem where they wouldn't appear at the station near the memorial, after trying lots of trouble shoots in different orders I almost gave up and just waited 24 hours, once this had finished they all appeared and I finished the quest, got the schematics and the achievement.

Edit: My scenario (XBox) - Primary Quest = Scientific Pursuits; gave the Lincoln Artifact for restoring Lincoln's head -> checked memorial -> already cleared slavers. I tried fast traveling to Metro Mall NW entrance after watching the caravan leave the Temple of the Union. I then tried using the wait feature for at least 24 hours. The caravan showed up. But Hannibal did not start an auto dialogue with me upon approaching him which updates the quest to complete it and gives you the schematics. After initiating a dialogue with him (which was a normal dialogue and did not update the quest), his caravan went in the OPPOSITE direction of the Lincoln Memorial. I thought they might just walk around, so I used wait for another 24 hours...his caravan just disappeared and I didn't want to look for it.

Edit: Mine was similar to the one above. Although my primary quest was Waters of Life; talked to the slavers to start the quest because at that point I hadn't found the temple of union yet. Found temple of union, talked to Hannibal, told him there were slavers there, then talked to Caleb got that part of the quest. Went to the museum of history got Lincoln poster, then killed the slavers at the memorial site. Fast traveled to Temple of Union, talked to Caleb first, then talked to Hannibal. He said he'd leave within the hour. I made the mistake of fast traveling to the memorial, only to have them never show up. Reloaded an old save, actually waited 1 hour, using the back button, and then they started their trip. I fast traveled to the metro station that my beacon was on, but they weren't there. Waited for 18 hours, using the back button and they finally showed up. Like the guy above me, no dialogue and they started walking in the opposite direction of the Lincoln Memorial. I went to the Lincoln Memorial and waited for 48 in game hours, and they never showed up. My quest marker was still on the Metro Station, so I went back there and using the back button waited for 12 hours, and then waited for another 12 hours. After that second wait of 12 hours, the caravan showed back up at the metro station and the auto dialog was initiated. Achievement unlocked, schematics received. Hope the helps.

So, here's what I did. Reloaded at the Temple of the Union. Again, I watched as his caravan started its journey south. This time I moved in the opposite direction, north. I used wait for about 20 hours. I then fast traveled to Metro Mall NW entrance. The caravan was not there, so I waited 24 hours. The caravan showed up and Hannibal, upon spawning, initiated the dialogue to complete the quest and handed over the schematics. His caravan then moved into the correct direction.

Edit: seems this quest is riddled with bugs worked fine until they never showed up at the station wile skiping to the startion after taking ther route my entier xbox crashed!

Edit: BUGGED...I have killed slavers...upon return to Temple Of The Union to speak with Hannibal, it seems Caleb is nowhere to be found and speaking with Hannible does nothing...so far no solution to complete that quest.

Edit: ANOTHER bug. Hannibal and the Slaves got to the Metro Station outside the memorial fine. The first time I tried it, the Slaves got wiped out, so I loaded, told Hannibal I'd check it out, and killed all the slaves, including Leroy. When I went back to Hannibal to tell him it was all clear, the only dialogue choices I had were to sell my Lincoln artifacts to him. Then they started wandering off aimlessly; The whole caravan now just wanders the Wasteland. I seriously do not want to start again to get this Achievement / Schematic because this is my Best Character I was getting all the mint stuff on.. Xbox 360 btw..

Edit: It seems that on any quest while waiting for the caravan to arrive, just go to the station and go back a bit into the rubble blocking off the road. Keep waiting 12 hours, usually after 1-3 tries they appear and you complete the quest.

Important.

I have noticed in Fallout3, in cases that you interact with other characters, this : There's a distance that things HAPPENS and a distance that things NOT HAPPENS. For example : If a character guides you somewhere and you get too close to him, scenario changes, character change his path etc. Also when you "trigger" stories, move away in opposite direction and the characters, defend their selves, arrive in their path points (for example) the merchants. I escort a merchant Cow, and every hostile creature appeared in our path to Megaton. I tried to move away from him and NOTHING happens, or at least he DEFENDED him self VERY WELL. Everybody can try this to understand the SAFE DISTANCE with the HIDDING option. Check the head up indicator(HIDDEN, DETECTED etc). Thats the only way i found to keep the SAFE distance from characters and they act as they "have to". I am sure about this because i tried it (in the Head of State quest). I gave the worst battles than alone. And they arrive in Memorial. I tried to move away from them after trigger them, and fast travel to Memorial. They arrive safe by their own.

From Bugs page

This is from the bugs page, it is really not a bug:

In the quest 'Head of State', Hannibal takes forever to get to the Lincoln Memorial. I followed him and he was going the wrong way constantly, going to everywhere he could get killed, swimming through the Potomac River and getting stuck there. And why is he walking there? Why can't he run? (Also happened in Xbox version, waited for days, slept and waited for 3 days at Lincoln Monument, slept and waited for 3 more days at Megaton house, and did two more quests "The Superhuman Gambit" and "Shoot Them In The Head" for 3 or 4 days. They finally showed up next to the tunnel entrance, after 9 or 10 days had passed in in-game time.)

Travb 03:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Playing on the PC version: I escorted the convoy as far as Vault 101 before they stopped. (Why go that far west? It's crazy.) They hit a wall at the edge of the GNR radio signal, outside the front door of the Vault. It took them about 30-45min to get this far. I gave up after that and eventually teleported them to the memorial. If the game crashes when you try to teleport someone, try resurrecting them first! (e.g., "prid 000239dc<enter> resurrect<enter> moveto player<enter>"). 67.188.147.132 05:17, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Nice to see I wasn't the only one (PC Version). I spent a couple of hours tending them - they went from the Temple to Chevy Chase North, I believe, into the subway. I had Farragut West on my quest map so I went there and found them. They came down the ramp, past the station, go down the steps, wave "hi" to the raiders/super mutants, swim across the river to the Super-Duper mart (occasionally blowing themselves up as they shoot past the cars in the parking lot), walk through an Enclave camp, past Springdale and Vault 101, through another Enclave camp, over to Fort Independence... at which point I gave up and came here. I did notice that Crow's Brahman (sans Crow) was ahead of them - maybe they're following the same "path" the various traders do? I don't recommend it for everyone, but it was definitely something different, and quite surreal. And I wound up with several plasma rifles and a gatling laser, so it's not all bad.Mbourgon 07:32, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I followed the convoy for a good bit of their trip. It's very, very tedious and somewhat frustrating to watch them keep going the wrong direction. From watching the path Hannibal took, however, it seems that the AI is programmed to follow established paths: namely, roads around DC and then through metro tunnels. When they eventually encountered a metro station I had not cleaned out yet, the group completely disappeared. I cleared out the station for good measure, and they eventually showed up outside of the metro station where they're supposed to end up. No telling where they went, but as long as they got there safely, I really couldn't care less. (I think Caleb was killed, but I haven't been back to see if Lincoln has his head or not.)--VwllssWndr 05:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

playing the pc-version, too. got him and his convoy to the station and tried to kill the slaver-leader serveral times (in the memorial and the room under it), but the game didn't count the kill. ported the slaver to the convoy and when they kill him theirselfes, they start moving (but the 'kill all slavers'-task still wasn't solved) far west and then north (nuka cola factory and beyond). maybe 101 is their aim; lost my patience for today ^^ resurecting before porting works. and running ahead and porting him more often (arrow up) will fasten their journey. but how the hell do i bring them to go to the memorial??? -.- any ideas anyone? tyvm DopeManOne 217.255.222.197 23:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

update: well, brought him back to the 'temple of unity' (or whatever it is called in english ^^) and there he turned around and headed back. stopped at the station near the memorial again... still have to kill 'all' slavers... DopeManOne 217.255.222.197 21:10, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I tried this on the 360 and I killed all the slavers as soon as I found them (on principle - trying to roleplay sqeaky-clean)the objective to take care of them showed up as completed, but [CAUTION] still showed up whenever I crouched until my next map change. I went back to the temple and started to escort them into the subway and then across the river(?) before heading back up past Megaton and 101...when we got to the Citadel, I fast-traveled to the memorial and waited for 1 day and they showed up at the metro station entrance. (I don't know how to make one of those signatures, sorry.)

Moved

This was totally inappropriate in the body of the article. It could be useful, but definetely needs to be polished up, and not written in a conversational style. --DarkJeff 00:44, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

'''TRY THIS'''

I was able to get this achievement on my first try. Do the following:

1. Go to the Temple of the Union

   a. Talk to Hannible - He wants you to scout the Lincoln Memorial.
   b. Talk to Caleb - He wants a picture of the Lincoln Memorial.

2. Fast travel to the Museum of History (You should have already found this place when you were trying to complete "Galaxy News Radio")

   a. Go to the second floor and find the HUGE picture of the Lincoln Memorial above a desk.

3. Walk out of the Museum of History and walk down the street to the right of the Washington Monument.

   a. Keep walking down the street and you will see the Lincoln Memorial in front of you.
   b. Before you get to the end of the street, you should find the Mall Northwest Metro. (NOTE: YOU NEED TO FIND THIS LOCATION!!!)

4. Walk to the Lincoln Memorial right up the center path until you see the two dead Supermutants' bodies.

   a. The game should then add on you to your side quest to "Talk to Hannible.."
   b. DO NOT TALK TO THE SLAVERS GUARDING THE MONUMENT OR GET INTO ANY SHOOTING MATCH WITH THEM!!

5. Fast travel back to the Temple of the Union

   a. Speak to Caleb FIRST and give him the picture!!!
   b. Speak to Hannible.  He will tell you that he will be ready to move out in an hour.
   c. WAIT ONE HOUR with the "Speed Wait" option.
   d. Find the caravans out on the road.  Speak to Hannible again and the caravan will move.

6. Fast travel to the Mall Northwest Metro that you found on the trek to the Lincoln Memorial.

   a. CRITICAL STEP: You must wait anywhere from 10 to 12 hours with "Speed Wait" at the Mall Northwest Metro.
   b. Eventually, Hannible and his group will appear.
   c. SPEAK TO HANNIBLE and tell him you will scout ahead.

7. KILL ALL SLAVERS IN THE LINCOLN MEMORIAL.

8. After all the slavers are dead (make sure there are no red pointers) and walk down the main path in the front of the Lincoln Memorial.

   a. The Quest will update and say "Speak to Hannible..."
   b. Speak to Hannible, he will thank you, give you a schematic for the DART GUN and you will get the achievement!!

Rune Blade

Re: fix for PC bug

prid 00027fba

resurrect

press ~ again to close the console.

Leroy will now respawn and attack you. Kill him and the quest will complete correctly.

Has anyone confirmed that this works? I've tried this, but the quest marker never goes away, and the game does not appear to recognize Leroy's death. I've grown weary of slaughtering him countless times.

Don't know if it works, but have you tried 'disable' and 'enable' after resurrecting him? --DarkJeff 17:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

This did not work for me in the first place. I added all slavers IDs I could find, maybe this helps in getting more info what really is happening here. My status is: a) talking with leroy at first and the first talk with skill-talking directly accepting the go to the slaves (starting the quest just at the first talking, no need to sell an item first). b) discover hannibal (location had been discovered ages before) c) report back to leroy d) fast-travel to hanibal d) waiting for slavers c) killing all slavers (this is where I got the IDs from) d) hannibal wants to go e) wait for one hour f) hanibal starts with his crew g) slaves take the walk h) slaves end the walk at metro station i) the quest is in the state that you can not tell hanibal that the memorial has already been cleared of slavers. further: the message that all slavers have been killed in the lincoln memorial was displayed by the enginge at c) with the "done" feedback.--87.153.230.126 14:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

movetoqt did the job for me now --87.153.224.121 16:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Getting picture for Caleb Smith!

You didn't mention anything about getting a picture of the memorial for Caleb.

Vastly Amusing Bug

 Nothing game breaking, just tickled me, and was wondering if anyone can explain why this occurred.

Finished the quest, went into and subsequently exited the memorial maintenance whatsit, to find the slave camp set up as it should be. Ascended the steps up to the statue itself to find Hannibal beginning what I assume to be that famous speech with the other slaves applauding around him. Suddenly, a radroach, swiftly followed by a vicious dog spawned at his feet, directly in front of the statue. The slaves turned hostile on them and made swift work of the two creatures. All of the slaves then reformed their half circle around the statue, applauding, save for Hannibal, who stood near the top of the steps, repeating 'bye' over and over.

 Answers on a postcard?

Artifacts

Does hannibal enshrine the artifacts? or do they just 'dissapear'? The great molerat. 17:19, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Fix for Slaver attack on Slaves (attacking Temple of Union) – PC version

I sided with the slavers and Leeroy Walker told me that I could follow them to the Temple of the Union, where they would attack the slaves. Leeroy and the gang started moving, but never actually made it to the Temple. I even followed them through a few different zones, but I wasn't going to spend the time required to follow them ALL the way to the Temple of the Union on foot, so I resorted to using the console to teleport the slavers to the Temple of the Union.

In order to do this, you fast have to travel to the Temple of the Union yourself. Once there, open the console (tilde key by default) and type the following lines, each followed by <enter>:

prid 27fba

moveto player

prid 27fbb

moveto player

prid 27fbc

moveto player

prid 27fbd

moveto player

prid 48128

moveto player

prid 46508

moveto player

Someone can add this to the article if they'd like. I'm inexperienced with wiki editing and have no idea how to format it nicely.Redsteven 22:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup needed

The bug section is way too extensive and most of it is written in first-person as well. Article could also need some restructuring. // Porter21 ^{U | T} 12:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Experience with quest

If this section can be re-written in wiki style, it can be moved back to the main page. (Agreed -the Author)

• Speaking of Abe: I had a neat experience in the game with the 'Head of State' quest this time around: I went to visit the memorial LONG before I found the Temple of the Union. The slavers where not hostile and 'Silas' laughed at the "Smoke, eat, kill but not in that order' joke and took me for my face time with Leroy Walker. I had RL-3 with me and a combat shottie right to his temple, so he didn't last long when the talk turned ugly. When I left the gift shop, I engaged and killed all his goons. (I LOVE for some reason hurling the stripped bodies down the steps of the memorial, it's like: "I CAST YOU DOWN SLAVER SCUM!!!" some pantomime of an Aztec sacrifice, mixed with good old abolitionist fervour.) The message then came up, that I had never seen before: "find the escaped slaves'. So that was my quest. Eventually I did activate the Temple of the Union and spoke with Hannibal. He told me to speak with Caleb, but mentioned nothing about the status of the memorial (neither Uglies nor Slavers). So I fast traveled and got the Poster (of course the museum was already clear.) but on my way out, I noticed a quest blip on the memorial too. So I fast traveled over there and it led me to the gift shop. Now, I have the 'bloody mess' perk on this character and I UNLAODED the hell outta my combat shottie on Walker, so to say that he was goo is generous. But ya, the map marker was on this pile of goo. As if I had something more to say to him. And there was NOTHING left of him but ketchup. So I left, went and gave Caleb the poster and was about to give Hannibal the 'all clear' when I had the gut feeling to go back and check the memorial. (I remembered after taking the ghoul mask and offing Roy Phillips AFTER getting all the resident's okay's that his mangled body spawned inside Tenpenny and all the humans still vanished) So I go back in the gift shop and there, ontop of the pile of red goo, IS LEROY WALKER'S SEVERED HEAD!!!, staring directly up at me! WTF!!!! It was NOT there the time before NO DOUBT. So, not knowing exactly what to do, but somewhat fearful that the slaves will walk into some sort of ambush, I pump 6 rounds of the shotgun into the head - no effect! I hack it with my Shish, NO EFFECT! It didn't even catch fire... So I pulled out, yep you guessed it, Honest Abe's gun. I took careful aim (still figuring, mind you, that nothing would happen) and fired. At first I was disappointed; the head did not explode into eyeball ridden paste, instead, it started slowly listing INTO THE FLOOR! As if it was on some slow cruise to hell! It kept sinking through the floor until it was completely gone! I felt that that was a sign, that The Great Abe was pleased. I went back to Hannibal and gave him the news and they moved in without a hitch. But I'll never forget Walker's ghostly, indestructible head, and its one way trip to Hades.

• After I had killed all of the slavers accept Silas, I switched to Sydney's 10mm Ultra and found Silas. I killed Silas and found that his body became stretched out and started to float away. It soon faded out. After that I couldn't loot any of the bodies. I tried to fast travel back to the Temple and my game crashed. After I reloaded a the fast travel auto save I was at the memorial, everyone was dead, the stretched body was gone and so was his floating Chinese AR. However, using a glitch I found, recieved two Sydney's 10mm Ultra's after Stealing Independence. I sold one and used the other one. This may have been the cause of this glitch.

To be honest, this kind of "story-telling" belongs on Talk pages and not articles in my opinion. Don't think you can rewrite it in a way that makes it article-material. No offense to the author :-) // Porter21 ^{U | T} 19:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I liked it your way better. =) --MadDawg2552 19:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Fawkes?

I know that there are MANY Fawkes-related glitches in the game, but this one had me puzzled. He'd been a good mutant throughout this whole quest, and I was taking the positive karma route, killing the slavers. After I cleaned out the Memorial I returned to the Temple to tell Hannibal the good news, but as I was trying to find him, I suddenly hear Fawkes yell and start to go apesh*t on the refugees. Naturally they all become hostile, but only to him, none of them pay any attention to me. Thinking it was a random glitch, I tried it again, and it consistently happened three times in a row. They'd not minded Fawkes following me into the Temple before that, why would he or they suddenly have a problem with him? Moreover, I always hear Fawkes aggro FIRST, so why does he suddenly decide he doesn't like the slaves? o.O --The Professor 21:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

How to Safely Kill Walkers Faction in the event they retreat to Paradise Falls

-Often if you decide to help Walker Launch an attack on the Temple of the Union, most of the slavers won't survive the trip.
-At this point, you may still pick sides as neither slaves nor slavers will be hostile towards the player.
-If you decide, after launching an attack on the Temple, to help the slaves instead, but also wish to remain friendly with Paradise Falls (for any number of reasons) take care to track down all of Walker's slavers and kill them, as Hamlin will still think there are slavers in the now empty Memorial, even if you get him to storm it.
-Slavers injured on the way to the Temple of the Union may retreat to Paradise Falls. This makes it difficult to dispatch them without Paradise falls becoming hostile.
-If this happens there are 2 possible solutions:
1) toss/kick an object (e.g. the oil drum) at them until they die. This can take awhile.
2) It has been reported that Jotun can safely be made to go berserk by mezzing,hopefully solving your problem

--75.119.237.10 09:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)Genghis

What the hell do i do?

I think i seriously messed up this quest. I got it from leroy Walker. Then i killed him. Them i went to the temple of the union and they accepted me. The quest says to tell leroy where the escaped slaves are. But He's dead. So, what?--{{subst:User:Fire Tock/Sig}} 17:47, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Something like this happened to me. I got the quest from Walker, then found the union, then killed Walker and the slavers, and thought I was stuck. Try talking to Hamlin, learning his plan is kind of hidden, I thought I glitched this quest too. the speech tree is something like: ...> Why aren't you letting slaves stay > hatches the plan, quest continues

If you're having trouble, just try all the options in the speech tree till they're all greyed out, if you still aren't able to continue the quest, yes it's glitched. if you are able to continue it, be sure to follow my instructions in the above "aimless wandering" section on fragging the bodies, as for some reason he runs away from the dead bodies if they aren't fragged. --Swizzler 19:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Marker tells me to go to Leroy Walker's dead body near end of quest

the quest says I have to kill all the remaining slavers near the lincoln memorial but there are none, not even in the maitanence room...i met hannibal at that station near the memorial and the only option i had was to tell him there were slavers at the memorial (even though there were not) and he walked in the OPPOSITE direction. i've waited, slept, and fast travelled to the temple several times i can't find that caravan. i don't have any saves that would enable me to restart the quest. please tell me if i can do something next, i'm doing this on my 360. thanks.

I've found that fragging all the bodies around the memorial gets past glitches like this. Not sure why, maybe the engine doesn't consider them dead until they're tiny bits, but it seems to help.--Swizzler 20:06, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

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hey I tried destroying the body but the torso won't get destroyed, only the arms/etc get blown off. also, the body isn't near the memorial it's like near the temple of the union; the memorial is completely empty of dead bodies or live ones. do you have any other suggestions? thanks. _____ EDIT: I happened to wander into Paradise Falls and killed all the slavers there, like Silas, etc. The quest said I completed the part about killing all the slavers near Lincoln Memorial.