Talk:Free Labor

Why do I have this feeling that newborn babies born by slaves are involved with the mutation cure? :x 90.186.178.120 20:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Quest Rewards

if you side with the raiders include access to the Ammo press, VERY HANDY (and the raiders might not be as evil as you think, look around a bit before you make your decision.)--Swizzler 02:17, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

    You also get the ammo press if you free the slaves, as I did my second play. Warll 08:04, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Changing your mind

If you take the baby and go to Wherner, you have the option to change your mind (he mentions some "tests" that need to be done). However, since I killed Ashur's wife, when Wherner asks if I think Ashur will welcome me back with the baby, the only dialog options are are a "Forget them" and a "No, since I already killed his wife"

So, did anyone ended the quest without killing the mother? Meaning, did you got the option to change your mind? Since Wherner does not seem a too good moral choice to ally with in the end... Kkmic 08:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I did "change my mind" without killing the mother. The second choice then becomes Ashur will forgive the PC. From there, you either have to kill Wherner or speech check him away like usual. From there, you take the baby back to Haven, and Ashur will be PISSED...but you will be forgiven and you basically get all the stuff and dialogue like you helped Ashur out in the first place except the mother is still PISSED.

The Right Choice

I'm having a tough time deciding what to do, I'm playing as a good character. B0B X 21:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

You either sacrifice the baby or the slaves. In the long run, I think helping Ashur is the better good-karma choice, since he'll probably release the slaves once he found a way for his own folks to make non-Trog-Babies. 77.25.175.58 22:19, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Think about it in the long run , the slaves probally don't know how to function without the raiders. So if the raiders are dead, who will protect the city. Maybe they will be overthrown by another raider group. Ashur is really the good guy since his method benefits all in the long run. They will be able to produce things under his rule. The slaves only want to help themselves. Maybe Ashur will be able to produce new weapons and Power Armor. PitifulKnight 23:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

For some people, the "Right choice" is different. Somepeople might want to help Ashur because he's giong to let the slaves free in 10 or so years after they find the cure and they'll be able to rebuild the city. But on the otherhand, that's 10 more years of slavedriving and heartless killing. So it's different for some people. Save the slaves faster or destroy the hope of rebuilding the city. I personally go with Ashur. I could tell that he wasn't really a "bad" guy. He's just trying to get by until he can find the cure and rebuild society.--Ecksplisit 23:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I ended up going with Ashur, well actually I stole "The Cure" at first but brought it back after Wernher told me the rest of his plan. I think that Ashur has some good intentions, but his execution of them is a bit harsh. B0B X 01:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Ashur is more interested in civilization as a whole, whereas Werhner is more interested in freeing the slaves. It's more of a long-term versus short-term kind of thing. Plus you have to remember, while The Pitt is the best bet for recovery, nobody wants to live there, slaves are the only choice; according to Ashur, that's the only reason they're used. You can believe him or not, but I presume that he's supposed to be honest. Of course, while this shouldn't really affect a real role-playing decision, curing radiation precludes a sequel, ya know? :P 173.89.142.80 06:13, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The Pitt Underground

Is it possible to get the key to The Pitt Underground if you sided with Ashur and convinced Wehrner to leave, instead of killing him? Does anyone know if he goes anywhere in particular, or just plain disappears?

I sided with Ashur and i found the key on a table in Wehrners hideout.

As far as I can tell, he stays in his hideout. 67.172.16.255 13:44, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Child at Heart?

Siding with Ashur, I go to speak to Midea to find Werhner's location, and I get a "Child at Heart" dialogue option for her which leads to her giving me Werhner's location because I made her feel guilty about suggesting that I should steal the baby. Why would I get a CHild at Heart dialogue option speaking to an adult? I thought that those special dialogue options only happen when you are speaking to kids? 67.172.16.255 03:42, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Probably because the perk gives you some sort of empathy for children, and you are able to instill that empathy into Midea. Something like that. 72.237.55.2 04:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying, but the Perk description says it works with children. Period. I cant think of any other place in Fallout where Child At Heart works on an adult. Why didnt they just make it a speech challenge? 67.172.16.255 13:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, Midea seems a little young (alright, maybe she doesn't look too young, I guess it is just her clear skin), and has a childlike nature (being so willful to help the slaves, and following Werhner without question), so that may be it. I don't really understand it either.

Cleanup Request

I've added a cleanup request due to all the pagelinks on this article, fallout wiki suggests only one link to a page, and every mention afterward does not have to be wikified. --Swizzler 06:42, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Killing the baby

Did anyone else get the strong impression when they first played through that the slaves were planning on killing the baby? There seems to be a lot to suggest this, as if keeping the baby alive was only put in sort of last minute when they realised that it would be a greusome child-murdering ending that might inspire the usual anti-videogame moral outrage.

Indications: 1. Midea says the child will be back with her parents when the uprising is over, which means she is either lying to you, or given that you kill her parents in the uprising, she's being very, very literal. 2. Midea, as mentioned on her page, is probably named after Medea from Greek mythology. While she does help Jason to find the Golden Fleece, she also marries Jason and has two children with him. When Jason leaves her for a greek princess, she then kills their children to take revenge. 3. Wehrner's comments regarding the child suggest he doesn't care at all about its wellbeing, and his description of what he intends to do with the child to get the cure aren't pretty.

While much is made over the moral ambiguity of the choice you make in the Pitt, most of the reasonings I've seen of why siding with the slaves is morally grey revolves around what will happen in the future without the raiders to protect the city. Certainly, if you side with Ashur this is the focus of his argument, and a lot is made in game over why this makes his choice not as bad as it sounds. However, in the game itself, almost all the focus on why siding with the slaves might be wrong is because you're kidnapping a baby. From just before you take her until you hand her over to Wehrner, almost every line of dialogue goes down the "I'm kidnapping a baby, am I doing the right thing?" route, which suggests that this is what the writers wanted us to consider as being morally ambiguous. Ultimately, then, when the baby ends up safe and sound in Midea's hands, that question rings hollow, and given the foreshadowing that the baby was in danger with the slaves, seemed to me as if they had changed the ending from a more brutal one they were originally planning. 82.28.182.74 14:22, 28 March 2009 (UTC)