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Well, why you don't do it =) ? This is not a restaurant here, we don't control what you want, everyone is free to contribute for free on the page he wants. If you want a page be improved, it's up to you ! Itachou [~talk~] 23:09, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Supporting the NCR??? Edit

Anybody have any idea how you convince the followers to support the NCR? I have no idea, and I want that happy ending!!!! DagonTheranis 23:18, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you can talk them into supporting the NCR though I would have gone that route. But the NCR seem pretty set on ruling the roost and to hell with anyone who has a problem with that. But the NCR do seem to have some good will for the people of the Mojave, as long as they pay their taxes. --Enigma24 (talk) 11:01, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

The Followers are Christian? Edit

The page currently says the Followers "appear to be all that remain of Christianity". It's been a while since I played FO1, but I don't remember any reference to Christianity in any dialogue or texts, nor does there seem to be any reference in New Vegas. I think they were called pseudo-religious at one point, but this was also used for the Brotherhood, and reflected their somewhat cultish devotion to preserving knowledge. I'm guessing this misconception comes from their symbol, which is indeed a cross, but I've always been under the impression that that just happened to be on the outside wall of their library, and so became their symbol by default. Unless anyone can come up for a justification beyond the Followers' Cross, I'm recommending we delete this from the article. 03:12, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Deleted it, thanks. Ausir(talk) 03:17, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

They traveled to the Mojave to teach farming and medicine to people just like christian missionaries, does that not mean anything? They seem closer to a religious group then anyone else Ive seen. - Bot

They have their own religion. They never mention Jesus or the Bible. Now the Abbey of the Road, on the other hand, is probably Christian because they do study and quote the Bible, but they're the only organization I can think of in the Fallout universe that can be considered Christian. However, they could also be Jewish or some new post-War Bible-based religion; it's hard to tell due to Marcella's secrecy about the Abbey. --Kris User Hola 21:56, December 6, 2010 (UTC)
The Followers are not religious. They are secular humanists. Just talk to Nicole in Fallout 1. Ausir(talk) 21:58, December 6, 2010 (UTC)
If they are not religious then why is their symbol a cross? I'm not really arguing with you, I'm just wondering.
The followers have a cross as a symbol due to the fact that Bethesda doesn't vilify Christianity in the way that a great deal of contemporary literature does. Though "Daniel" from "Honest Hearts" is Obsidian and not Bethesda, in the Fallout Three expansion you find the remnants of a young Christian woman who was killed who was on a very peaceful mission to some backwoods types. Much of Secular Humanism's ideals is espoused in the philosophy of Jesus as written in the gospels, except the religious parts. Not all of it, but a fair portion. It's the way of saying, like Ghandi, "I like your Christ but I don't like your Christians" which relies very much on the perception of right wing Christian ideology. The figure of Jesus in the gospels is a figure of nearly invariant compassion and mercy, fitting for the Followers' mission.
  • Ahem* "Secular Humanism, alternatively known as Humanism (often with a capital H to distinguish it from other forms of humanism), is a secular philosophy that espouses human reason, ethics, and justice, and the search for human fulfillment. It specifically rejects religious dogma, supernaturalism, pseudoscience or superstition as the basis of morality and decision-making." NO they are not christians otherwise they would be "christian humanists" and not "secular humanists"

  • Question: does Nicole specifically say they are secular humanist? Otherwise it should probably just read that they're secular. Secular humanism implies an entire ideology, one that seems rather anachronistic for the Fallout setting (especially re: the 50s aesthetic Fallout is based on). The Followers are a secular group, that is to say, not specifically in favour of any particular religious establishment. But secular humanism is a specific creed, which is consciously against all religious establishments. Basically: 'secular' and 'secular humanist' mean very different things. If the Followers are not explicitly described as 'secular humanist', then the article here should only describe them as 'secular'. 11:20, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

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Delete the internal link Edit

the link leading to the new vegas flowers of pock-lips lol, now seriously delete it, it's senseless now that the pages are merged. --Nuke-a-Punch 02:13, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Another possible ending Edit

I joined them on their invitation, did them some favors and ended up with a very high reputation with them, and then went on to the independent Vegas ending with Yes Man, the least violent variety (i.e. the NCR troops were just told to buzz off and the General was not tossed from the dam). In the final wrap-up, it said that the Followers continued to try to serve the people in the way they had before, but without a steady source of supply, the Old Mormon fort became overwhelmed by refugees and they went downhill. It seemed rather odd, since the Followers have a socially positive role and I have no idea why I or Yes Man wouldn't front them the relatively modest amount of supplies they would need to keep functioning properly. Wunengzi 02:41, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

It even says this when you have secured them a steady source of supply, from the Atomic Wrangler and its owners for instance. Someone screwed up here. But since as this page notes, the bugged ending from Fallout 1 hasn't been corrected yet, I suppose we will just have to put up with it. Wunengzi 21:57, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Right? It doesn't make any sense, not only are they great people, but a Yes Man ending would probably come from a neutral to good karma Courier who wants to actively save the world. Considering that you have all the funding House had, there's no reason not to fund them, at least to make yourself look benevolent.

The devs should've taken your faction rep into consideration with the endings, maybe even your speech and barter skills too. Like a low barter and high guns/energy/offensive caused more fights, but high speech and barter helped you prosper, etc.

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Would they ever expand into the Capital Wasteland Edit

Just curious so I thought I would see what people think. Being that the Followers of the Apocalypse are all about helping people then I imagine the struggling people of the Capital Wasteland would be their scene. Of course there is the problem of getting to the other side of the country but if the Brotherhood of Steel could do it other groups will find a way. I imagine Hannibal Hamlin and his abolitionist movement would be fairly compatible with the Followers of the Apocalypse. What does everyone else think? --Enigma24 (talk) 11:00, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Supporting Independent Vegas AND NCR? Edit

For whatever reason I had both the options to support an independent vegas AND the NCR when talking to Julie Farkas. So I did both and as far as I read she accepted both. Seemed kind of odd, anyone else have that happen?

NCR Alliance Edit

When going to Julie for Jerry, I noticed that she had the support the NCR dialogue option. The page states that You'll know it when it happens has to be completed first but I've only just killed House for the NCR. I have Idolized rep with both factions--El Ieuan (talk) 13:31, January 17, 2015 (UTC)

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