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## Ghosthunters? Are you kidding me?Edit

Unless there is another underlying reason the Ghosthunters "reference" is significant, and someone can prove it, it needs to be deleted. Coincedences are not references. Fourthgeartapped 21:33, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

## People trying to add Fallout 2 / Fallout referencesEdit

IT'S A SEQUEL TO THEM. THE ENTIRE THING IS A REFERENCE TO THEM. —Chaos5023 22:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

## Dr. Strangelove?!?Edit

Strangelove is a real stretch. "The Bomb", as a cultural thing, simply referred to atomic weapons in general. In the case of Megaton, "the bomb" is correct -- there is only one so a definite article is appropriate and carries no outside meaning. "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar," as Freud reportedly said. Marstinson 06:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that one's a bit much.—Chaos5023 06:40, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

## ApopheniaEdit

Some of those "references" are really grasping at straws. The Grognak one contains flawed algebra to begin with (and if it didn't it's still really dubious). The Tanya Christoff / Armand Christophe connection is weak as hell (come on, they are not even spelled the same!)Ghilz 08:04, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I say that one needs to be nixed. Fourthgeartapped 21:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

## The Code of Grognak The Barbarian, Validity? Edit

What is posted now is

• G a t u r n g r o = G o n k
• - g r o -gro
• G a t u r n = g r o G o n k
• - o n k -onk
• - o n k G a t u r n = g r o G
• + n + n
• - o n k y G a t u r = g r o G n
• + a + a
• - o n k y G t u r = g r o G n a
• + k + k
• - o n y G t u r = g r o G n a k
• o n y G t u r = R U TONY G

Assuming each letter is a variable, and also caps means its a different variable we get the following truths.

• Before any of this I'm assuming the blank spacing to be addition between each variable.
• First truth is identity of course, G=G, a=a and so forth. They always equal them selves.
• Now in this he tossed in an added variable y, which in this case is defined by the writer to be y=2n.
• How did I come to get this is when he added n to in step 3

Now clearing up some of his messy writing, and dropping of negatives.

• G+a+t+u+r+n+g+r+o = G+o+n+k
• -(g+r+o) both sides
• G+a+t+u+r+n = G+o+n+k-(g+r+o) :: really should be written this way, since he is subtracting, not multiplying
• -(o+n+k) both sides
• G+a+t+u+r+n-(o+n+k) = (G+o+n+k-(g+r+o))-(o+n+k)
• +n both sides
• G+a+t+u+r+n-(o+n+k)+n = (G-(g+r+o))+n
• G+a+t+u+r+n-o-n-k+n = G+a+t+u+r+y-o-n-k = (G-(g+r+o))+n :: he defines 2n = y, so using his substitution
• +a both sides
• G+a+t+u+r+y-o-n-k+a = G-g-r-o+n+a :: in his example, he somehow negates two positive a which I don't understand how it is happening.
• +k both sides
• G+a+t+u+r+y-o-n-k+a+k = G-g-r-o+n+a+k
• True final results: G+a+t+u+r+y-o-n+a = G-g-r-o+n+a+k

Now he uses the commutative rule, but somehow he drops all the negatives as it seems like it means nothing to his desired results. Which is makes no sense since given the identity truth, a=a, but a =/= -a. If for some freaked reason that a = -a, then you can't even do the arithmetic in the first place because you can't subtract something that has no inverse.

Even tossing that fact sides, he is still left with that mishap where he subtracted when he was adding in step 4 (+a both sides).

This guy is just reaching for a delusional goal to find a match in something that looks similar. --Lord0din69 08:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

## Ridiculousness Edit

A lot of stuff I've been trimming out is on the order of saying "the letters 'o' and 'l' appear in the word Fallout, and the word Oblivion also contains the letters 'o' and 'l', ZOMG REFERENCE!!!1!". There's a difference between a reference and something vaguely similar, people.—Chaos5023 09:17, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I thought of a better example:

### ParanoiaEdit

Every morning, when I take the PATH to work, there are announcements that say "Stay alert, be aware, and speak up". This is clearly a direct reference to the roleplaying game Paranoia, which uses the tagline "Stay alert, trust no one, and keep your laser handy". —Chaos5023 16:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

## 2001? Edit

Reference seems doubtful at best. Intercoms have same function is so vague it's hilarious. --71.233.212.239 23:21, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

The I am Legend reference is silly, too. Written by someone who knows nothing about the series.

Updated 2001 reference, noting it is superficial. I have NO fracking idea what the user who comments on the 'intercoms' means, so it's left for a more senior contrib./editor to excise. Shadowgm 19:58, 22 December 2008 (UTC)Shadowgm

Please stop adding back in that a fisheye lens is a tribute to HAL 9000. It isn't. Security cameras routinely make use of wide-angle lenses in order to provide greater coverage of an area, and this isn't a hat tip to anything. Furthermore, as noted, HAL 9000 was genuinely sentient; ZAX admits he isn't.
Agreed. Even if 2001 was the original (was it?) the fisheye lens is a staple of A.I. science fiction. There's nothing to indicate a specific reference to HAL. Removing. Duncanxxxx 01:43, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

## 'The Road' - Cormac Mc Carthy Edit

I maybe have found another reference: Bryan Wilks, the little boy you meet in Grayditch or in front of the Super-Duper Mart, asks you if you belong to 'the good guys'. This could be a reference to Cormac McCarthy's 'The Road' in which a little boy and his father walk through a post-apocalyptic America. They also divide the other survivors in 'good guys' and 'bad guys'. I just tested this with the German version of Fallout 3, so maybe someone can check this in the English version before publishing it.

Doubtful, as most children do say your one of the "good guys" with a high enough karma.

## Twilight Edit

When you move towards Arefu from the south you run into a baseball diamond. The quest blood Ties is also related to Arefu. This is most likely a reference to playing baseball in a thunder storm.

Ahh, how did I not see that before! It's so obvious... ~~   18:59, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
More likely the baseball diamond is a affirmation to the 50's norm of pre-war city life, given the fact that there is no inclement weather whatsoever in Fallout 3
I think it's Twilight too. Firelance 20:00, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
so because there is a baseball diamond by a town, you beleave that there is a reference to "playing baseball in a thunder storm"? im not seeing it.
As much as "Twilight" has been universally and unanimously regarded as the ultimate pinnacle of human creative achievement for the ages (and the definitive last word on several centuries of vampire folklore and mythology), this is just plain silly. Maybe you'd have something if the baseball diamond were closer to where The Family lives, instead of the community they terrorize where people stand at the ready to shoot them on sight. It's understandable that one would expect such a truly groudbreaking and time-honored classic to be referenced in -- well, any creative work, ever, from now until the end of time, really -- but this is just a coincidence.--VwllssWndr 10:47, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

sorry but twilight sucked. As a movie and a book. it sucked. it wasnt groundbreaking it sucked. and it wouldve made fallout suck if it was referenced in it. come on vampires cant go in the light cause they will burn, not cause they have "sparkly" skin. what kind of shit from a bull is that?Brown38 23:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

## Farragut West is not an easter egg Edit

Farragut West is an actual Metro Station in the DC Metro. It is not an easter egg, it is merely a coincidence.

In Oblivion, there is a place named 'Fort Farragut'. I certaintly think it is.

Uh, isn't it a hundred times more likely that Oblivion is making a reference to Farragut then? They used to be based in DC before they moved their offices, no? --DarkJeff 21:37, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I'd have to agree the reference is likely in oblivion DragonJTS 06:04, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. —Chaos5023 06:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

It was named after a civil war general, don't know the full name, but it is just coincidence.--97.112.1.234 05:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I have added a note in the article under Oblivion that the Farrgut metro is an actual place and not a reference to Oblivion. Hopefully that will at least prevent another necessary edit for the next fifteen minutes or so.--VwllssWndr 01:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

## Indiana Jones the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Edit

"Somewhere around the wastes there is a fridge with a skeleton underneath it. A possible reference to the scene where Indy hides in a lead-lined refrigerator to escape a nuclear bomb test." Indiana Jones the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was released May 22, 2008. Fallout 3 was released 3 months later. I seriously doubt that in the time in between Bethesda stuck in this reference. Not to mention how much of a stretch it is. A skeleton underneath a fridge? Come on. The note should either be ammended to say 'unlikely reference' or deleted altogether.

Agreed. —Chaos5023 21:00, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

You do realize if the fridge was leadlined (not meaning like in Indy) that you would live. Lead is radiation resistant. So if it was actually a leadlined fridge, the guy would survive, but if he fell out,he'd be a goner. So it doesn't quite make it an Indy ref. JimmyBassatti 9 December 2008

Indiana Jones: Kingdom of the Crystal Skull came out on May 22, 2008. E3 was June 17, 2008. 26 days is enough to add a small reference.

This actually may need to be revisited. In the concept art book, page 79, there is a small drawing of a refrigerator with a skeleton in (not under) it, labeled "Frigerator w/skeleton surprise". If the skeleton is at least inside the refrigerator, this seems to make it slightly more likely to be a reference. There is also a shopping cart nearby... since I haven't seen Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, can anyone tell me whether this makes it more or less likely to be a reference? —Chaos5023 01:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

It could simply be a reference to the old style fridges. Current fridges, if you got stuffed in there you can just push open the door from the inside. Older fridges used to need a button press. I know of at least one story where a kid playing hide and seek hid in a fridge someone left at the curb for disposal, and died there since nobody found him and he couldn't get out. The fridge design in FO3 does appear to be that style. --DarkJeff 16:29, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
i agree with the above poster, it is more likely to be a editorial about planing; as in planing for the short run and not thinking about the future. or locking your self in a fridge, and surviving the end of the world, only to minuets later because you cant get out of the fridge.

Wired reflexes comes from Gibson, much like most of that questline's references. Shadowrun is based upon Neuromancer and the like, so basically we've referenced here the source, and then something else based on the source. This needs to be cleaned up. --DarkJeff 21:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking about this earlier, but I'm not so sure. I don't recall the phrase 'wired reflexes' being used in Gibson's Sprawl series (not saying I know it wasn't, just that I can't place it). I'm not sure there were people with reflex accelerators, for that matter; that became a prominent feature in early cyberpunk more from Walter Jon Williams's Hardwired. "Wired reflexes" is the specific technical name of the cyberware in Shadowrun, though, which seems to me to validate calling it a SR reference. —Chaos5023 05:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
For whatever it's worth, I'm thinking now that Molly Millions had reflex acceleration of one sort or another. —Chaos5023 15:32, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

## more Monty Python Edit

Arthur Maxson (the scribe kid) in the citadel says that he accidentally shot Sentinel Lyons when they were outside the citadel and that it was "just a flesh wound". Nobody202 00:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Did he merely say it was a flesh wound? Because that in itself is likely a coincidence DragonJTS 06:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, his name being Arthur also helps, as it was Arthur who defeated the Black Knight (or am I mistaken?)
yeah, Arthur defeated the black knight.

## Alexander Graham Bell/Thomas Watson Refrence Edit

This is rather minor, inside the Our Lady of Hope Hopsitol their is a terminal called "Nurse's Station Terminal 02" on the first floor. The third Injury Report (labeled 09007882) tells of a man with the last name of Watson that is splashed by caustic chemicals. Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone and the first call made was "Mr. Watson, come here. I want you.", a message sent to Thomas Watson after Bell had accidently spilt battery acid on himself and needed assistance. Additional information: http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96mar/bell.html

This may be a bit of a long shot, however some may find it interesting. 75.164.228.99 02:56, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Crass

Adding this; it's legit. —Chaos5023 01:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

## Xuanlong Assault RifleEdit

Xuanlong is the Black Dragon spirit, the dragon king that dwells within the depths of the mystic waters. The Black Imperial Dragon is also the guardian of kings and palaces.

Not really a cultural reference Dragonjts 01:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Not a cultural reference, I think they were realy just using the name cause it sounds cool.

## Futurama Edit

The Futurama parady of the older movie needs to be cleaned up. "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" needs it's own section, and Futurama should be linked to that. Way to late in the evening for me to do that much. --DarkJeff 05:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Handled. —Chaos5023 01:48, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

## Philip K. Dick book - Dr. Bloodmoney, or How We Got Along After the Bomb Edit

I added this book because I found it interesting for its cultural references and possible influences on Fallout 3. I don't know if the following editors deleted it with any good reason because I don't find many differences in it from other cultural references.-- Lex @ 18:02(UTC+1) 18/12/2008

You were probably a bit overassertive in tagging it; eating dog meat isn't a very distinctive or innovative element for post-apocalyptic fiction. I've downgraded the language and reorganized it under PKD, mainly because his cultural significance is broad enough to be recognized while the book itself is pretty obscure. —Chaos5023 17:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, found it. -- Lex @ 14:40(UTC+1) 06/01/2009

Changed it to the proper spelling of the name Moira. What did the OP think this is? Lord of the frigging Rings? Paladin Oor-Tael 19:20, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

## I am Legend (film) Edit

The film I am Legend shows striking similarities to Fallout 3, including the infected ghouls, deserted towns and of course, the dog. Dogmeat looks very similar to the dog in the movie. Shots from Fallout 3 trailers with the main character walking with dogmeat show striking resemblance to the cover of I am Legend.

I'm not sure how to run with this. Everything mentioned is of course from Fallout. There's no way FO3 is referencing the movie, otherwise the entire series would have to, which is patently stupid. This could mean the movie is referencing the game. Which is also ridiculous.
First, infected ghouls. What infected ghouls? Further, FEV has been in FO since the first.
Second, Dogmeat. Man and dog has been a staple of survivor stories (including one from the French Resistance in WWII), and the images of man and dog walking are, if anything, a reference to Mad Max. In this case, both movie and game would be referencing that earlier movie.
Third, deserted towns are pretty much the norm for the genre. This is not even a factor to consider.
The movie may have lifted elements from things that FO has lifted from, but neither are related to each other in any way. --DarkJeff 20:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
This needs some verification, but when I was playing through, I thought I remembered someone in Arefu saying that The Family would keep asking them to come outside. (Did I make this up?) Anyway, if this is the case, then it would actually be a reference to the BOOK "I Am Legend," since that's exactly what the vampires in the book spend a lot of their time doing: shouting for the protagonist to leave his house. Again I need some other verification here, because I thought I remembered that remark, but I might have imagined it (and as I think we are all aware, we don't need YET ANOTHER imaginary reference thrown into the mix).--VwllssWndr 10:02, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I DO remember while i was palying that when everybody had their doors locked, the vampires would bang on the doors, and throw stuff at them, and taunt them to come out. But imo its just like saying ""come out come out whereever you are!"--Darku333 23:07, 7 March 2009 (UTC) I'm pretty sure they mocked Neville in the book. 68.147.132.227 23:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

## Mehrune's Razor Edit

This is just silly. If nothing else, Mehrune's Razor is a reference to Occam's Razor. --DarkJeff 21:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

## CutterEdit

They are both named cutter? oh my,that isn't coincidence! And they are both FEMALE!? oh my god,that certainly is a reference! seriously,i am going to delete that. it would have been a reference if the cutter in fallout would be an automutilating smith that makes weapons out of madness ore. :p The great molerat. 22:03, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

## MST3k - Crow T. Robot Edit

Crow is a former tribal. It's not a strange name for a tribal either. Crow T. Robot appears to have nothing in common with Crow other than a first name, which renders the connection rather... nonexistent. --DarkJeff 16:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

## 00000000 ICBM code Edit

The ICBM in the silo near Fort Constantine may be launched by entering the code 00000000 (eight zeroes). This is possible referencje to the revelations of Bruce Blair, director of Centre for Defence Information, who in 2004 claimed, that in early sixties, all safety codes for ICBMs were deliberately set to zero (the default position) thus providing very little protection against unauthorised launch. The validity of this claim has never been proven, but the code may be a direct reference to the story. (83.27.43.224 00:51, 3 January 2009 (UTC))

## ThiefEdit

Stephen Russel voices the Mr. Handies in F3 (Wadsworth, Mr. Buckingham, etc). Be he also played a techno-religous Hammerite in Thief: The Dark Project. One of the lines that the Hammerite says in combat is, 'Have at thee!'. One of the Mr Handy combat lines is also, 'Have at thee'. Proof: http://www.wrzuta.pl/audio/8aTOW3sUAA/. Connection enough?

I'd say so, yeah. I'd say "voices" rather than "plays", though. —Chaos5023 03:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

## AntAgonizer Edit

Frisky Dingo has a character named Grace Ryan that at some point falls into a vat of radiation and can then command ants to attack. I'm fairly sure she says something to the effect of how humans shall fall and ants shall inherit the earth like is mentioned in the game.

^^^^Don't forget that Grace Ryan's super villain alter-ego is named AntAgony. There's got to be a way to work ant farm keyboards into this.

Added. —Chaos5023 01:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

## Honor Harrington SeriesEdit

Is there some reason to think that Harkness is a reference beyond having the same last name? —Chaos5023 22:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I think so, because Harkness is called Chief Harkness throughout the series, no matter his actually rank.173.49.2.211 13:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

## HarveyEdit

Why? Why would it conceivably be a reference to Harvey? Are you going on anything other than that they both involve human sized rabbits? What makes that a Harvey reference and not a Bugs Bunny reference or a Donnie Darko reference or some other ridiculous thing? The rabbit in the Animal Friend picture is VISIBLE, for one thing, which is distinctively UNLIKE Harvey. —Chaos5023 00:11, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

• Actually, "Harvey" was my first impression when I saw the artwork for that particular perk as well. The time period is certainly right for the retro-50's feel of the Fallout series. Saying it's a stretch because we can see the rabbit is itself a stretch -- would it have been a more appropriate "Harvey" reference if, instead of a rabbit, it were just Vault Boy with his arm around thin air? That doesn't make sense. What's relevant is that Vault Boy and the rabbit are friends (like in "Harvey" -- well, sort of). I think a stronger case can be made for this particular reference than in a lot of the popular anime du jour "references" that people keep seeing everywhere.--VwllssWndr 02:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Okay, fair enough. —Chaos5023 02:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

## Greek Mythology Edit

In the Underworld Concourse there is a slave named Charon and a robot named Cerberus. This is a reference to greek mythology where Charon is the ferryman of the Underworld and Cerberus is the guard dog of the Underworld.

Also Cerberus has three sensors like the three headed dog Cerberus. Charon the ferryman wasn't a contract killer like the Charon on Fallout 3. But them both being in the Underworld is a coincidence.

Really, there is so much crap here. Trying to keep it cleaned up is like trying to piss out a forest fire, it should just be removed.

Better it be here, then added to all the individual pages. That would be even more of a nightmare to maintain.Fiddlesoup 02:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

There's a lot of crap, yeah, but deleting all the valid material instead of editing out the crap is just lazy. As to being better than them being in the individual pages, well, unfortunately they usually are as well. The ideal would be to use wiki magic to centralize them here with some kind of automatically generated reference in the topic pages, but that's a whole project in itself. —Chaos5023 01:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

If we want to delete the crap, we should contact the user who posted it, and explain to them WHY it is crap, not jsut delete it, because they will repost it, because they do not know why it is crap.Darku333 01:54, 14 February 2009 (UTC)Darku333

## Metal Gear Solid Edit

WOW! That entry is so completely wrong. Deleted!

## One Section For The Elder Scrolls Edit

The Easter eggs: Sweetrolls Raven Rock Oblivion All should be under a section called "The Elder Scrolls" Also, if it isn't there, the GOAT is probably a definite reference to the series questions asked in the series' Morrowind, Daggerfall, and Arena. Yumnarer 01:21, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Reorganized all that under Bethesda, for the second time. Evidently someone really felt that "Sweetrolls" was a major popular culture topic that needed its own dedicated section. The GOAT isn't a reference so much as another instance of the same thing (a character generation quiz), though. —Chaos5023 01:42, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I deleted something that said Mr Burke and lucien sound alike, and both ask you to kill people. I mean, of course they sound alike! they are voiced by the same guy? and maybe he is good at doing evil people? that is NOT a cultural reference, and im thinking of deleting the fawkses one too.--Darku333 22:41, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

## Animal Crossing Edit

Zip, a character in Little Lamplight is wearing a mining hat with a mole head, he also talks extremely fast exactly like Mr.Ressetti, a character in the video game Animal Crossing. Could Zip be an attempt to make fun of the insanely fast talking mole? Both Talk the same and Zip is wearing clothes that look just like the mole.

VanHoofers 06:03, 8 February 2009 (UTC)VanHoofers

I'm not feeling it. Zip's outfit is gray to Resetti's brown, and I don't really get any impression that Resetti is actually talking 'fast'. I don't know what other Animal Crossing characters sound like, but his sound effects just seem like generic placeholder-for-speech noise to me, and he has a lot of pauses in his speech, unlike Zip. —Chaos5023 07:09, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

## Quantum LeapEdit

The concept of a quantum leap was not invented by, and does not belong to, any TV show. —Chaos5023 06:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Um, it does actually. There was an old show called Quantum Leap that involved a man going through time into other peoples bodies. Each time he did it, he was 'Quantum Leaping'. So the reference; 'take the Leap, try Quantum' makes sense. I've seen the TV program myself

The online Merriam-Webster dictionary dates the origin of the phrase "quantum leap" back to 1956. The "old show" referenced -- "Quantum Leap" -- premiered in the late 80's or early 90's, a good thirty years after the phrase was defined. Furthermore, Nuka-Cola Quantums don't have anything whatsoever to do with the plot of the TV series, unless my copy of the game is bugged and I'm not changing bodies whenever I drink one like I'm supposed to.--VwllssWndr 01:57, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah okay, maybe. I was only assuring Chaos5023 that there was a tv show called Quantum Leap and that it could have been a valid refrerence. But if yours is more likely then I'll yield.

## Operation Overkill III Edit

The whole game seems to mirror an old popular BBS game called Operation Overkill III, complete with The Wanderer.

Or, maybe I'm just off.

Yeah, it's nothing more than them both being post-nuke themed. (I've played some version or another of OO. Good stuff.) —Chaos5023 03:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Just because there are two similar games in the same genre, doesn't mean that it's a reference. Could be inspiration for the Fallout series, but to say that the whole game is referencing Operation Overkill III is way too general.

## Bethesda Underworks Edit

Bethesda Underworks could indeed be a reference to Bethsoft, but just because the word "Bethesda" is there does not mean that it is a reference to Bethsoft, and just because the word "Underworks" is there does not mean it is a reference to the Morrowind sewers. In my opinion, we have the underworks as another option, or don't have either. "Any usage of common words and phrases is not a reference without other contextual indications" --Darku333 02:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

## Bittercup = Buttercup?!?!? Edit

Come on now, seriously. Aside from having a name that's only one letter different and being female, how is "Bittercup" any sort of a reference to "Buttercup" from "The Princess Bride?" (Actually, I can make a stronger case that it's a reference to "Three Amigos!" since there's a musical number called "My Little Buttercup" and one of the Amgios is a guy named "Dusty Bottoms," and the guy that watches the Big Town gate -- where Bittercup lives -- is named "Dusty." Interesting coincidence at best.) Methinks someone is trying much too hard.--VwllssWndr 01:57, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the insanity that is the 'Cultural References' page. Seems like 3/4 of the references are suspicious at best. 68.49.187.181 04:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
If anything its a reff to buttercup from PPG XP--Atlas Lied! 17:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

## God of War and Greek Mythology Edit

I think that the God of War thing should be deleted and the info involving Charon moved over to Greek Mythology because God of War is based off said Greek Mythology.

I'm for deletion without moving, myself. The whole thing smells of the entire "I don't know anything about anything, so I think classical references are references to the modern media that I'm familiar with that make the same classical references" problem. The only reason I don't delete it outright is that I don't know enough about the God of War content to completely eliminate the possibility of a reference. —Chaos5023 22:28, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

## 9/11 Pentagon Damage Edit

In the citadel the north east wall of the bailey is a very near match --Jandraelune 02:39, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, that makes a certain amount of sense given that the Citadel is in the ruins of the Pentagon... Duncanxxxx 02:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
In the Fallout universe the timeline splits after World War 2, so 9/11 never happened in the Fallout world. Dcruze 02:56, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Also, the Pentagon was hit on the west side. So the damage in the game is most likely from nuclear missiles from 2077. Dcruze 03:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Just made a comment of the resemblance as if the damage image to be shown was referenced by the actual damage received by the pentagon in 9/11. But not a direct time line appearance...if it was a direct time it wouldn't be an easter egg.--Jandraelune 19:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

## RE: Computer Science Edit

A whetstone is a stone used for sharpening knives and other blades. I doubt that it's a reference at all, but if it is I think that it's more likely to be a reference to Operation: Whetstone, which was a series of nuclear tests in the 60s in Nevada. 70.139.76.145 16:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

## FawkesEdit

Is it necessary to have both Fawkes, Guy and V for Vendetta sections? Seems redundant. One reference doesn't make sense without the other, so I think they should be combined rather than scattered over an already chaotic page. Duncanxxxx 17:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is, unless you think the solution to the page being "chaotic" is to just throw out its organizational style. (Go back a few months in the history if you want to check out what the results of that are.) —Chaos5023 17:46, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm of the opinion that both are necessary. Everything about Fawkes seems to indicate that he's based off of V; it's too much of a coincidence otherwise (room 5, experimented upon by oppressive government, etc). But the same people who would argue up and down that it's not connected will waste their time trying to prove how having the same first name means that a character is an obvious reference to their favorite anime cartoon series or some other video game. I like having the single page of cultural references, but there's so much idiocy involved with the "references" people claim that anything to prevent more idiocy is, in my opinion, a good thing.--VwllssWndr 01:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I am not suggesting "throwing out it's organizational style." I won't even stipulate that it has one. I'm suggesting that without the V reference, the Fawkes reference is more or less meaningless. Fawkes (the character) is a reference to Guy Fawkes in the same way that The Church of the Children of Atom is a reference to Heisenberg. Fawkes isn't paralleling Guy Fawkes. He's paralleling V. (He calls himself Fawkes for the same reason V wears a Fawkesian mask.) So a simple link to Guy Fawkes wikipedia page to explain the V reference should suffice.Duncanxxxx 20:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
You won't even stipulate that it has one. Wow, that's great. I bet the people who did all the massive edits that changed the article from a bunch of unordered sections, half of them cultural topics, half of them Fallout 3 topics, would really appreciate that. Anyway, 1) Fawkes is a reference to Guy Fawkes in a way that the Children of Atom would only be a reference to Heisenberg in if they were called the "Children of Heisenberg". Now, it's not an easter egg because the reference is right on there in the open, but whoever set up these pages in their wisdom called them "Cultural references", not "easter eggs". 2) His reasons are the same as V's? Really? He's carrying out an involved plan to blow up the British Parliament? Citation please. 3) Since there is in fact a reference to the historical Guy Fawkes right out there in the open, plus a less explicit V For Vendetta reference, it's a dual reference. And since it's a dual reference, part of the point of the organizational style comes into play, which is so that when people look for a topic referenced, they find it instead of having it buried in a section for another topic. Among other benefits, this in turn means they don't add a topic they then think isn't listed. —Chaos5023 22:49, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't deny that work has been done to clean up the page. I still stand by my statement that the page is currently chaotic. For future reference, I may have an opinion about your work which you find unflattering. I am entitled to this opinion. I can offer you that opinion so we can reach a consensus or I can make changes arbitrarily without consulting you. In any case, I won't mince words to spare feelings. No reasonable man can know the word "chaotic" would provoke such a response in that context.
Don't expect me to believe that you really think I believe Fawkes has plans to blow up British parliament. As long as you remain confrontational and disingenuous I'll make the changes I see fit and not bother consulting you. To reiterate my points if you wish to respond to them:
• Fawkes is a reference to V. Stipulated.
• V is a reference to Guy Fawkes. Stipulated.
• There exist no independent links between Fawkes and Guy Fawkes which cannot be explained by V for Vendetta. Disputed?
For example, a hypothetical Fallout 3 character is named Job (says it is after the Bible) and includes several references to Heinlein's novel. Heinlein's novel, in turn, references the Bible. Ergo, the character's name is a reference to the Bible? I say no. If I am understanding you correctly, you say yes. Duncanxxxx 04:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Isn't V for Vendatta kinda a moot point if Fawkes himself mentions that he based his name on a historical character. Guy Fawkes did what he did because he was willing to die for what being different. He was willing to kill his own people to make Britain (or DC in this case) a better place. Ergo, Fawkes? Just my opinion.

## SmoothskinsEdit

The articles lists ghouls referring to non-ghouls as smoothskins a reference to Argonians Oblivion, yet ghouls referred to humans as smoothskins before Oblivion (in the past Fallouts). I have not played TES 1 or 2, and do not know whether or not Argonians were in them or called humans smoothskins, but it seems more likely to me that the term smoothskin used in TES is a reference to Fallout, or even if it is the other way around, it is still not a reference to Oblivion, but the continuation of a reference from Fallout to a previous game of TES. ATST 02:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Good enough for me. —Chaos5023 02:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

## Some Sort of Procedure Edit

Okay, the amount of far-fetched suggestions is getting even more our of hand than the miles of text trying to death with them; wouldn't a simple submission process requiring new references to be approved before added dramaticaly be able to cut down on the manpower required to keep this page in some semblance of order? It's not like the far-fetched ones are difficult to spot... Techercizer (say hi) (pwnage) 18:52, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

It's a wiki; editing is a submission process. And you seriously haven't even seen far-fetched. The current page is mostly pretty well-vetted. Check the history if you want to see some real brain-damage. —Chaos5023 20:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

## Brahmin Edit

I'm not sure if this is entirely relevant, but I think that the Brahmin in Fallout 3 may be a reference to a position in the highest of the four varnas of Hindu culture (part of the Caste System). This may be a [rather disrespectful] play on how cows are held in such high regard in Hindu culture. Perhaps it was unintentional, but as this is the only Hindu reference I can find in the game it is impossible to tell...

They are such a reference (working from the Hindu reverence for cows and the multifarous limbs with which Hindu deities are frequently depicted, conceivably even the brahmin title 'dvija', 'twice-born'). They've existed throughout the Fallout series, though, rather than being specific to Fallout 3. I'm not feeling inclined to write it up; have at if you like. —Chaos5023 20:21, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Correct, the name Brahmin was banned in India from Fallout 3. AntAgonizer 17:06, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all of the help guys, and for all of the info. Much appreciated. I've written a short article in the cultural references section. See what you think...

I edited the note about Wadsworth because it said that the Mr. Handy robot in theTenpenny Tower also was named Wadsworth when he acctually is named Godfrey. Hevehoc 19:12, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

## Dick, Philip K. / Blade Runner Edit

Someone removed the Blade Runner entry in favor of a notation about Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? under PKD, saying that the androids in the Replicated Man quest behave much more like the androids in the book. Can anyone give me any detail as to why this would be the case? My recollection of DADoES is fuzzy, but I don't remember anything about it that would make the quest more specific to it. Right now, the whole exercise smells suspiciously like the never-ending fanwank seen in any online dialogue about Blade Runner, where fanboys make a huge deal out of the fact that they know that Blade Runner was based on a real live book, one that they may even have read some of. —Chaos5023 18:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

## Orson Scott? Edit

This one just seems like someone is grasping at straws to me.

I can see how Rad Regeneration might remind somebody of that, but yeah, it seems pretty weak. I had originally misread it as saying that the caste in Treason was something to do with radiation as well (which sounds a lot more likely to be a reference), but looking at it now I see that's not the case. —Chaos5023 07:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

## God of War: Chains of Olympus Edit

Here's a special guideline just for you, User:Nincro1528: do not vandalize the article to remove classical references so that you can ignore them in entering a modern reference. Seriously, did you think everyone would forget Greek mythology existed if you deleted its section? Are you brain-damaged? The public deserves to know.

Can anyone else verify the similarities described in the God of War: Chains of Olympus entry? If true, it sounds legit, but Nincro1528 described both Charons as killing their contract-holder with a "similar blow to the head"; shooting someone with a combat shotgun being insanely far-fetched to call a "blow to the head", Nincro1528 is clearly not beyond making shit up to justify his edit (and if you're going to vandalize to justify it, sure, why not go all in), so some independent confirmation would be nice. —Chaos5023 13:26, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

## PS. I Love you Edit

PS i love you. Remember the movie? outside of the hospital where the reilly's rangers are, there is a burnt out, un-enterable cinema. However if you look at the 'Now playing' list, it says PS. I Hate you. Someone add this please.64.222.110.136 02:54, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

## Another oblivion reference? Edit

When you talk to Lucas Simms the first time, you get the option to "Say Nothing", if you keep doing this, he'll ask if you're one of "Psychotic Killer quiet types". You could also "Say Nothing" when confronted by Lucien Lachance of The Dark Brotherhood. A guild full of psychotic killers. --24.20.243.40 01:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't call it worth noting. —Chaos5023 01:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
On a completely unrelated note, I found it hilarious when talking to Gallows, you can "say nothing", to which he says nothing, to which you can continue to say nothing, to which he'll say nothing, to which you can once again say nothing, to which he replies, "I'm glad we understand each other." Hilarious. --Bloodscar 16:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

## Aleister Crowley Edit

If you activate Vance's terminal the top line reads Os Abysmi Vel Daath. This is part of the title of a book by Aleister Crowley. Also, it's the name of a song on the album Monotheist by Celtic Frost. Maybe worth adding to the references? --77.250.209.108 22:29, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Sure, the Crowley part. The song is just a parallel reference, so outside the scope of the page. —Chaos5023 22:50, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

## Crazy Wolfgang Edit

When you initiate conversation with him he introduces himself as "The craziest of all possible Wolfgangs." This might be an homage to the phrase "The best of all possible worlds" coined by Leibniz and used widely in Voltaire's Candide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_all_possible_worlds Lbgrowl 04:49, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't say "used widely" so much as "mocked relentlessly". —Chaos5023 13:25, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

## Cement Shoes Edit

Ok, now near arifu in the water these is a car with a skeleton who is holding a silenced 9mm but that's not the egg if you look at his feet... they are trapped in the cement blocks. (sorry for the sloppiness im tired)--OfficerBlue 08:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

## Half-Life SeriesEdit

Have someone noted that Medic Power Armor works like HEV Suit (ex. Talking to player, giving player morphine and protecting player)

Also feral ghoul reavers look similar to Zombines from HL 2 Epsiode One - Johnypl 15.05.2009

Medic Power Armor / HEV Suit: Yeah, it was previously noted and removed. Not sure whether it's a legitimate reference. Feral ghouls, for their part, look a great deal like every zombie ever depicted in any medium. —Chaos5023 18:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but Zombines are unique in the fact that they also wear armor, so the resemblance is stronger. Include the fact that Reavers are the only 'zombies' that can throw radioactive goo and Zombines are the only 'zombies' that can use Grenades; the connection gets bigger. Might still be too much of a stretch though.

## Marat Edit

$Insert formula here$

In the Statesman Hotel, there's a skeleton in a bathtub in a pose from the painting "The death of Marat," by Jacques-louise David.71.252.22.84 17:06, 19 May 2009 (UTC) There's also a skeleton in a bathtub in the Regulator HQ and countless abandoned houses and buildings I wouldn't call that an easter egg just people who died in there bathtubs during the nuclear war

## Terminator 3 Edit

I'm not bold enough to remove it, but I think the Terminator 3 reference (to the "last, best hope" phrase) should be removed as a parallel reference. Aside from the phrase being present in both previous games that predate Terminator 3, it is, (as near as I can tell) a phrase that originates with Abraham Lincoln. I have added Lincoln, Abraham as a reference, though. -mannon 09:48, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

## The Simpsons Edit

In the Simpsons episode "The Day the Earth Looked Stupid", the end is a scene which looks considerably like when the Lone Wanderer first steps out of the vault, along with the Inkspots I Don't Want to Set the World on Fire. That episode was after the first Fallout came out, though.

## A Boy Named Sue Edit

Just occurred to me that Sister (found in rivet city) could be a reference to the Johhny Cash song 'A Boy Named Sue'. The song is about a man with a female name who has to act tough to get through life. This is very similar to Sister who acts tough all of the time.

## fallout signs Edit

i ahve just noticed that fallout shelter signs read "Fallout 3helter" can someone confirm, becase i mught be on to something. the signs are yellow with the black radioactive symbol on them, and are on posts, like road signs, but the "3" is very scartched out! 78.145.251.219 15:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

## Beverley Hillbillies Edit

Sparkle says "y'all come back now, y'hear", which is a fairly obvious reference to the show, and chalk that up to her general demanor, and a reference doesn't seem too far off....--67.176.216.7 00:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I would say that that phrase is a very widespread stereotype of "hillfolk" speech and not particularly special to that show. —Chaos5023 00:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

## High School Musical: Sing It! Edit

I noticed a fairly obvious reference. Fallout 3, as a whole, is just a big reference to the Wii game High School Musical: Sing It! I mean, come on, the evidence can't be refuted! They both involve humans, one of the characters is a blonde, not to mention that they are both games. Call it out if you will, but I refuse to yield! 64.12.117.8 20:28, 18 June 2009 (UTC)twilite_zacefron_jonasbruthers0865

Yes, clearly. And also, in Fallout 3, you can punch people in the face, and even the mention of High School Musical intellectual property (if we may call it that) makes me want to punch people in the face. An undeniable connection. —Chaos5023 21:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
wow fail troll is fail--Atlas Lied! 05:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

## Additional possible Star Trek reference Edit

It is possible that the Gary clones were a tribute to the Star Trek episode 'Assignment Earth'...the name of the alien sent to Earth to try to prevent nuclear war was named 'Gary 7.'

## Neon Genesis: Evangelion Edit

At the risk of being attacked for a.)Making another stupid suggestion or b.)Not being well read in science fiction, I propose a possible reference/inspiration to/from the anime Neon Genesis Evangelion in Operation: Anchorage. The Neural Interface Suit looks awfully similar to the Plug suits in Eva. Not only that, but when you enter the simulation pod, the interior just reminds me of the inside of an Entry Plug from Evangelion. The design of the seating and the way the screen inside it loads, together make me think of Eva. I am by no means a sci-fi officianado, so this could be present in many other pieces of science fiction prior to Eva.--Seraph Song 04:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

"*In Scrapyard, where Dogmeat is found, there is a dead guy named "Max" wearing a leather jacket and wielding a shotgun and with some Pork n Beans Scattered around. In the movie, Max and Dog eat from a can of meat and beans."

Removed from article. I've scoured Scrapyard for this guy, never found him. Maybe someone mixed up Mel? He does have a bad habit of dying out in the wastes. Nitpicker of the Wastes 02:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

In the movie, Max eats a can of dog food while the dog watches. No pork n beans involved.

sign your post and it doesn't need to be a carbon copy of something to be a ref.--Atlas Lied! 05:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

## Buffy the Vampire Slayer Edit

Not sure if this counts but the ghoul gaurd out in front of the museum of history, willow might be a reference to buffy. if not meh just though it should be looked into.

## Amityville horror Edit

I found a reference to the remake of it that came out in 05. A screen comes on the TV that looks like the loading screen. I have also prepared screenshots http://s550.photobucket.com/albums/ii417/foxhound410/?action=view&current=comparison.jpg

--CthulusAwakening 08:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC) CthulusAwakening

*sigh*. —Chaos5023 10:06, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

## I'd like to point out that... Edit

In the reference to Smokey the Bear the page says "Only you can prevent human flesh fires"

What three dog actually says is:

"Only you can prevent human flesh virus"

I cannot be arsed to go and do it so someone else please fix this mistake.

What I hear him saying is "only you can prevent mutant flesh virus". Apparently everybody hears something different. And truth be told, he's freakin' mumbling when he says it. —Chaos5023 11:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, from the way it's translated I can confirm that it's "flesh fires". It also makes most sense in the context. -- Porter21 (talk) 12:02, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not convinced translation means anything. The i13n people can easily just be listening to the same mumbling we are. And I firmly believe that "mutant flesh virus" makes the most sense in the context. —Chaos5023 05:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Its most likely referring to the "ghoul virus" a mutant flesh virus which causes you to look like a ghoul caused by the radiation which he often talks about protecting yourself from. Also flesh fires would make no sense.

Yes, because flesh fires are just rampant like AIDS right? I think it more likely that a developer liked the Smokey the Bear quote, and found a way to put into the game. Not a reference.

## Raven Rock and Uncle Leo Edit

It should be mentioned that Raven Rock is also a settlement in one of Bethesda's other games, The Elder Scrolls III:Morrowind, on the island of Solesthiem.

Also, Uncle Leo could be a referance to the Uncle Leo in the Shivering Isles expansion of Oblivion, in the bedroom of Murinne, who is a Non-hostile Zombie. 74.5.177.164 16:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

TO BOTH THIS EASTER EGG AND THE ONE UNDER: Raven rock would most likely be an easter egg in Oblivion because Bethesda used to have an office in DC. Fallout 3 was could be either if not both

Or Raven Rock could be a reference to the real life facility for the united states government called Site-R or Raven Rock --LoneMerc101 19:24, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

## Torchwood Edit

The fact that they are both immortal isn't really a refrence as Harkness is essential not immortal and he can be taken away by Zimmer. And the fact that the guy from Torchwood has a computer on his wrist isn't a reference since fallouts had pipboys long before Torchwood had wrist computers. The name thing can't really be used either. --LoneMerc101 19:36, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

## Cleanup Edit

I just finished a large cleanup of the article, based on the posted guidelines. If you wish to inquire about or discuss/debate the edit, or any part of it, no matter the size, please do so either here or on my talk page. --Bloodscar 03:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Great job! I think more can still be done to bring this page up to standards. However, I do think the Sting reference is worth putting back in. The fact that Gordon Sumner is Sting's real name is not exactly well-known, and to put his name in the records of a vault full of musicians seems to me to be a fun little hidden thing for people to discover--which is the kind of thing I thought this article was supposed to document. Was there some specific reason you took that one out?--Gothemasticator 13:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I took it out because of the name-only references not counting, but you're right, the fact that it is in a vault of musicians makes it much more credible. Go ahead and add it back if you want. --Bloodscar 16:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I put it back in. Thanks.--Gothemasticator 17:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

## Metal Gear Solid 2 referenceEdit

Aside from all the other references,this one seemed pretty curious.In Metal Gear Solid 2,Raiden's (Jack) past is revealed.He used to be the best of child soldiers(in FallOut 3 you get a BB at around the same age).One of his nicknames was "Jack The Ripper".A unique Ripper in FallOut 3 is named Jack. Could this be a reference to Metal Gear Solid 2?The plot of the game itself starts out with Raiden in a mission in which there could be a catastrophic fallout,due to an immense chemical spill which would then wipe out the sea's ecosystem.Much like the plot in FallOut 3,which revolves around the aftermath of such scenario.

~ ItachiTheAntiLeaf@gmail.com

Jack the Ripper was a real-life serial killer of prostitutes in London, England. I'm pretty sure Kojima was referencing the real-life one, which would make that a parallel reference. --Bloodscar 16:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. The unique Ripper is referencing Jack The Ripper.

## Aliens Edit

I've been playing the game recently and I noticed a few references to the Alien series of films.

Yao Gui Caves

If you sneak through the cave you will notice near the start a Yao Gui will run across a junction, this bears an uncanny resemblance to the scene in Alien.

Reilly's Rangers

Butch states as the player leaves the conversation to "Stay Frosty" this is a reference to Aliens when the marines initially check out the coloney.

If people notice anymore please add them or if i'm wrong just delete this Post ^_^

"Stay Frosty" is a common phrase for "be alert", so I'd say that isn't a reference. Also, is the Yao Guai scripted to run across the screen, or is that based on the combat system and pathfinding? --Bloodscar 16:25, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Not supporting the "Aliens" reference, but that Yao Guai does indeed look like it's scripted: too fast, doesn't look like the usual animation and disappears afterwards (if you follow it, there is a Yao in the cave, but it's likely to have been there all along - its usual AI have significant problems navigating around all the obstacles in that cave). And it's not the only scripted sequence in the caves - another Yao Guai smashes through the barricades in one of the "rooms".

## Big List of Changes and Reasons Edit

The recent changes by BloodScar were, I think, a step in the right direction toward bringing this article up to standards. It is understandable that people become attached to a particular observation they have personally found. But not every observation should be in the article. Perhaps some observations would fit better on individual user pages.

Below is list of changes I have just made and notes as to why. For each edit, I reference the number of the rule from the guideline on the article page and include a couple of key words from the rule, instead of copying the whole guidelines section again here.

Keeping in mind especially the two guidelines 4-Be conservative and 11-As few words as possible, I would suggest that we use this talk page more extensively to reach some concensus before adding new material to the article or adding back removed material.--Gothemasticator 14:39, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

#### 1984Edit

Cheng's Computer Shortened. 11-Use few words; 6-Too much info Sanity is not statistical Shortened. 11-Use few words; 7-Avoid "also" Room 101 Removed. 4-Be conservative Unlike the other examples, Vault 101 is not a room. It is also not a torture chamber. I think this one is a stretch. Speakwrite Removed. 4-Be conservative The idea of an automatic dictation machine is not unique to "1984." I think we need more to go on than this.

### 2001: HalEdit

Removed. 4-Be conservative The security cameras are not linked to a murderous A.I. I don't think there is enough to go on here.

### A Boy And His DogEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words; 7-Avoid "also;" 9-Intensifiers I removed the hunting rifle reference. Bolt action rifles are just too common in the real world for their use in a game to constitue a reference to any particular work of fiction.

### A Christmas StoryEdit

Removed. 3-Common phrases The movie's use of "starving children in China" is funny precisely because that is/was such a commonplace (and exasperating) thing for parents to say. The movie neither invented nor popularized the phrase.

### AC/DC Highway to HellEdit

Removed. 1-Name only w/o context; 3-Common phrases Without more to go on than the common word "highway" and the thematicly linked "devil" and "hell," I think we're out on a limb here.

Restored. The context confirming this as a reference is the correspondence between Devil's Highway and Escalator to Heaven, where each then has a musical reference. —Chaos5023 15:31, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
You're right. I failed to consider all four elements (the two perks and the two songs) together.--Gothemasticator 16:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

### Apocalypse NowEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words

### Aqua Teen; Samurai LincolnEdit

Removed. 4-Be conservative The action figure and the meatball in his "Samurai Lincoln" pose don't actually look alike. Only if the word "samurai" is used to describe the action figure (and I don't see why it would be) does the connection even arise. I'm not even sure it's a katana the toy is holding.

### ArmitageEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words

### Back to the FutureEdit

Removed. 4-Be conservative Biff Tanen's character is distinctive because of his stupidity and his malapropisms--traits Butch does not share. The only thing the two have in common is being 1950s-style bullies. Not enought to go on, I think.

### Beneath the Planet of the ApesEdit

Minor. 11-Use few words

### Bradbury, Ray: "There Will Come Soft Rains"Edit

-Mclellan- -Carol- Consolidated the two entries into one. Link Added. 11-Use few words

No change.

Minor editing.

### Cool Hand LukeEdit

-Rory- Minor editing -The Box- Removed. 3-Common phrases The movie did not originate this phrase.

### Crystal PepsiEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words

### Dirty HarryEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words; 6-Too much info

### Dr. Bloodmoney, or How We Got Along After the BombEdit

Removed. 4-Be conservative The book is about a post-nuclear holocaust America. However, like most of Dick's books, identity, paranoia, and mental instabilities are the major themes. I am not aware of one thing from this book that the game specifically references.

### Duck and CoverEdit

-Springvale poster- -Explosives skill book- Consolidated. 11-Use few words -Duck and Cover website- Removed. 8-Parallel reference

### DuneEdit

Reworded to avoid 2nd person language.

### The Elder Scrolls GamesEdit

Bethesda Ruins equals Bethesda Software Offices Removed. 2-Geography;1-Name only w/o context I can't find any other evidence. The Sweetroll Question Shortened. Links added. 6-Too much info; 11-Use few words The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall Shortened. Links added. 11-Use few words The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind -Similar Notes- Removed. 4-Be conservative I cannot find the text of the Bloodmoon note this entry mentions. I found [Note], which is not very similar. Without more to go on, this isn't worth mentioning. -Doctor Lesko- Removed. 3-Common phrases Bethesda re-uses a lot of material from game to game. This does not in itself constitue a reference. -Blood Ties- Shortened. Links added. 11-Use few words The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion -Grognak equals Conan- Removed. 8-Parallel reference Added Conan entry. -Utility Pole- Simplified location description. -My ears are playing tricks- -Scribe Yearlings' phrasology- -Talon Company equals Blackwood Company- All removed. 3-Common phrases Bethesda re-uses a lot of material from game to game. This does not in itself constitue a reference.

Question: Does the sweetroll question exist in Daggerfall, Morrowind, or Oblivion? I linked to the character generator quiz in Arena, but I can't find the others (and I've been playing Oblivion). If it's just in Arena, I'll rewrite the sentence to reflect that.
The Sweetroll question is also in Morrowind. I thought I remembered in Oblivion as well but can't pin it. --Bloodscar 21:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Question: Should we add a section for re-used phrases and lines from Bethesda's older games? I culled them, but i could see using my same reasoning to do away with the whole Elder Scrolls section. All this Elder Scrolls stuff seems more like using up scraps than it does cultural references. (Except for the Big Town utility pole; that's a genuine easter egg, like Lucas and THX-1138.) Thoughts? --Gothemasticator 03:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
What about adding a sentence or two at the beginning of the section, something like: Bethesda Softwoks, which created all the Elder Scrolls Games as well as Fallout 3, has a practice and history of reusing voice actors, quest designs, names of places, character designs, dialogue lines, and other game materials. Use of such in Fallout 3 does not constitute a cultural reference.--Gothemasticator 11:20, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

### Escape From New YorkEdit

Removed. 4-Be conservative A bridge littered with mines isn't enough to go on. The entry mentioned "several" similarities but only mentioned the mined bridge.

Reworded, language standards.

### FawkesEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words; 6-Too much info

### Fear FactoryEdit

Shortened. Bulleted. Linked. This is my favorite entry in the whole article! A hidden message from one heavy metal fan to the few out there who will not only play this game but read a non-essential terminal entry. Fun. According to my research, the song Archtype is not on album number 6 but 7. However, I left the info as is, because the band has switched labels and a true fan's way of counting may ellude me.

Minor editing.

no change.

### God of WarEdit

Removed. 4-Be conservative;8-Parallel reference I cannot verify that the line "I will work for ill and for good." is used by both characters, or that the line is original to God of War. And this line is the only evidence that Charon is meant to reference the other game.

no change.

no change.

no change.

### HardwareEdit

Removed. 8-Parallel reference Without something specific to call attention to the dj in the movie Hardware, I'm not sure this is worth noting. An unexplained "reminiscent" doesn't help.

### HarveyEdit

no change. I know, I know. The rabbit in Harvey is invisible. But, I think the image of being buddy buddy with a giant rabbit calls Harvey to mind pretty immediately.

### Hindu CultureEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words; 5-Extensive essay

### Incredible Hulk, TheEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words

Minor edit.

Minor edit.

### Thomas JeffersonEdit

Shortened. Reworded to let the reader discover that Jefferson probably did not originate the first quote.

### The ThingEdit

Removed Centaur reference. 4-Be conservative The centaurs in Fallout 3 are a re-design of the same creature from the previous games. Looking at both versions, it's clearer that they do not refer to The Thing.

### LincolnEdit

Shortened. Bulleted. 11-Use few words

-Night of- Shortened. 11-Use few words I also don't think the quest title refers to the quotes mentioned. The quotes aren't exact, or notable in the zombie genre. It's the rule of shooting them in the head that matters. -the name ghoul- Removed. 8-Parallel reference The terms "zombie" and "ghoul" predate Romero's masterpiece, so, unfortunately, he cannot be credited with originating the name of the creatures in Fallout 3. -Land of; Tenpenny Tower- Shortened. 11-Use few words; 9-Intensifiers

### Led ZeppellinEdit

Removed cross reference to removed section AC/DC.

Restored with restoration of AC/DC section. —Chaos5023 15:31, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

no change.

### LovecraftEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words; 6-Too much info

Minor changes. Language standards; 9-Intensifiers; 7-Avoid "also"

### MandroidEdit

no change.

Shortened. 11-Use few words

### MentosEdit

Removed. 4-Be conservative The ads didn't actually portray the candy as making you "smarter"--more like, "freer, more creative, more likable."

Sometimes that's their angle, more hinting at the "smarter" thing, but IIRC the whole Mentos/smarter thing is a recurring, half-urban-legend thing going back a while that they occasionally leverage in their ads. Some links: [1], [2] (look for "make you smarter"), [3], [4]. Your thoughts? —Chaos5023 03:51, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, so in the 1990s--which is early enough to have affected the creation of Fallout (in which Mentats originated)--Mentos ran some ad campaigns that brought the phrase, "Mentos makes you smarter," into the American lexicon. So, it's a possibility. The question remains, what is there to link Mentos to Mentats? Mentats are not presented as candy; the packaging doesn't resemble; there's no equivalent tagline. I think that the coincidence of "Ment-" being in both names is a coincidence, borne of the english language: mental, mentate, from the latin mentalis=of the mind. Back to you, anything I'm missing?--Gothemasticator 06:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

### MinistryEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words; 6-Too much info

### Moby DickEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words Didn't see how the Divergence was relevant.

Minor editing.

### Moore, AllenEdit

same changes as to Ellis above

### Mortal KombatEdit

Removed. 4-Be conservative; 3-Common phrases Naming a ghoul "Meat" is too easy a step to take for it to be a reference to anything.

### The Music ManEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words

### MST3KEdit

Minor edits. 11-Use few words Being a prop guy in addition to voicing Gypsy is not relevant or necessary.

I was wrong. After a recent edit by Shadowrunner56, I realized "in charge of robot maintenance" and "puppet wrangler" is the joke. Duh!--Gothemasticator 03:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

### No Country For Old MenEdit

Removed. 4-Be conservative In the movie, both men did not have shotguns. The killer was armed with a cattle-killing device.

no change.

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minor edits.

### PleasantvilleEdit

Removed Indian Head test pattern mention. 8-Parallel reference

### PortalEdit

Removed. 4-Be conservative; 8-Parallel reference The concept of a murderous robot with an incongruously cheery personality is not original to either game. I gave some thought to the similarities of their acronymic names, but it turns out that real A.I. programs are commonly given such names. Google A.L.I.C.E., for instance.

minor edits

### PrometheaEdit

Virtually the same changes as to Ellis ans Moore above, with the addition of the mention of Neptura.

### P.S. I Love YouEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words; 6-Too much info

### Raven RockEdit

Removed. 2-Geography

### Dot's DinerEdit

Removed. 8-Parallel reference "Dot's Diner" is such a common real-world name for diners (just google it to see) that more specific contextual evidence would be necessary to make this worth mentioning.

### Relic HunterEdit

Minor edits.

Just noticed an existing redirect from The Road to Cultural References article page. Restoring so as not to break redirect. Still needs verification, though. Was its influence noted in an interview, perhaps?--Gothemasticator 02:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC) Found it. Interview with Todd Howard. Linked to in article section.--Gothemasticator 02:28, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Question: The Road is an influence on the creation of Fallout 3, but does Fallout 3 make reference to the book anywhere? Technically, this article is for references from within the game to things out in the culture, not things out there that influenced the game. But I don't know that there is a better place to put it.--Gothemasticator 06:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

### Rocky HorrorEdit

Removed. 3-Common phrases "Trouble from the day he was born" is common speech, not specific to Rocky Horror or Fallout 3.

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### SerenityEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words; 6-Too much info

no change.

no change.

### Silent RunningEdit

Removed. 4-Be conservative; 3-Common phrases The movie is about plant life being made extinct and does not share any similarities with the Fallout setting. The phrase "silent running" is too common to be a reference without something else. The perk picture, description, nothing relates to the movie.

Minor edit.

minor edit.

minor edit.

### Star TrekEdit

Original Series Shortened. Bulleted. 11-Use few words Wrath of Khan Shortened. Bulleted. 11-Use few words Voyager minor edit.

Re-inserting the "safety protocols" concerning the Anchorage Reclamation simulation under a new The Next Generation sub-heading (the first Star Trek series in which holodecks and their respective safety protocols appeared). I felt that the usage of the exact terminology and function within a simulation found in later Star Trek series warranted enough of a reference, though you can probably trim the word count down a bit if you feel like it. Toad of Steel 04:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

### StingEdit

no change.

no change. This one's almost as fun as Fear Factor!

### SupermanEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words

no change.

### TerminatorEdit

Terminator clothing lines Removed. 3-Common phrases; 4-Be conservative Without word-for-word quotes, this one's too vague to be worth mentioning. Terminator Three Dog Removed. 3-Common phrases; 4-Be conservative "Can't be reasoned or bargained with" is a stock phrase, not specific to Terminator. Terminator 2 Judgement Day no change.

### Them!Edit

Shortened. 11-Use few words

### TransformersEdit

Removed. 4-Be conservative; 3-Common phrases With phrases as generic as these, it would have to be an exact quote to merit mention.

Restored, with style and verbosity edits. Apparently it escaped you that both speakers are giant robots with two-word names of which the second word is "Prime". —Chaos5023 15:00, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
I concede.--Gothemasticator 15:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

### U.S. Nuke ProgramEdit

I think the Fat Man and the Mini Nuke are a reference to the W54 Fission Bomb, or The Davy Crockett, the smallest nuclear warhead ever made. It`s origin is from the US Army, around the mid 1950s. [5]

I think it's worth mentioning, but the weapons themselves are quite different. The Fat Man is a catapult, the Davy Crockett is a recoiless rifle. Nitty 22:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't object to tacking on a "See also link|the Davy Crockett" with the picture. It's a good picture. But, the name "Fat Man" is, of course, the name of one of the bombs dropped on Japan. That's clear and shouldn't be changed.--Gothemasticator 08:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

no change.

### Watson, ThomasEdit

Removed. I cannot find anywhere verification for the story about Watson or Bell spilling acid on themselves. In fact, the info I can find says that the first telephone call ever was 20-some minutes long, not what you would do with acid on you.

Restored. Try using Google next time. —Chaos5023 15:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for finding that. I missed it.--Gothemasticator 15:07, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to revisit this one. a) From the above-sited article about Bell and Watson: Thomas A. Watson rushed to Bell who had spilled acid on himself. b) From the Our Lady of Hope terminal entry: Richard Maynard Watson; "Injury: Eyes were splashed with caustic chemicals." and "press machines malfunctioned and sprayed hot steam and caustic chemicals into his face and hands, causing severe burns and nerve damage." So, it's a Watson, not a Bell, who is injured. One spills acid on himself; the other is injured by a malfunctioning machine. And, to my mind most notably, there is nothing phone-related about the in-game Watson. I'm inclined to take this one back out. Thoughts?--Gothemasticator 17:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Since no one has expressed any objections, I'm taking it out.--Gothemasticator 08:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

### West Side StoryEdit

Shortened. 11-Use few words

### Wolfman JackEdit

minor edit. 7-Avoid "also"

no change.

### Yogi BearEdit

Removed. 4-Be conservative; 3-Common phrases "Don't feed the bears" did not originate with Yogi. It originated with bears, which is what the Yao Guai are. There are picnic tables all over the wasteland (not picnic baskets, which would have made a stronger case). This leaves us with nothing except the the four common letters between Yogi and Yao Guai. Thin ice.

Restored, modulo the pic-uh-nic basket nonsense. I have defended this one before and will continue to do so. Note also that it's a classic case of justification bloat. —Chaos5023 15:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Today at work I had a yogi/yao guai epiphony: "Yao Guai" is a Chinese word for "monster" or "demon" but implies nothing about bears. So, the question (which I never asked) is why name the mutant bears yao guai? You can ask from the other direction, too. Why make the yao guai look like bears? The answer can only be to make a kind of pun with Yogi. It is the kind of pun that I would respond to with a dirty look instead of laughter, but that doesn't mean the pun wasn't intended.--Gothemasticator 06:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this should be here, or as another suggestion entirely, but in the movie Gremlins, there are creatures called Mogwais (which turn into the gremlins; mogwai is also a Chinese word for "monster" or "demon"). There are three rules for having a mogwai, the third and most important of which is "never, ever feed [them] after midnight." Mogwai and yao guai sound similar and in fact are similar in the Chinese root, so perhaps this reference could be to that movie?

### Zen BuddhismEdit

Minor edits. Removed line of speculation at the end.

## Response to Big Changes Edit

Improving style and increasing terseness is great, but when you go on massive deletion sprees because you think material is stupid or insufficiently justified, especially when you don't really think about it very hard, you cause the syndrome where entries bloat with material justifying the reference. If we want terseness, and I think we do, people need to calm down a little with the deletionism. —Chaos5023 14:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I did think hard about the deletions. I researched things I thought I might just not understand. I tried (and sometimes failed) to find verification for some unverified claims (e.g., the Charon quote). I documented my reasons for every change. I created a detailed list and encouraged people to use the talk page to discuss rather than to bloat the article. The changes aren't thoughtless, and they aren't because I have a general feeling that things are stupid. Each change has specific reasons.--Gothemasticator 15:04, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
It really doesn't seem that you could have thought about the Transformers reference very hard, for instance. Or possibly that it's just that you looked at it through this tiny lens of "common words or phrases" and so never noticed the blindingly obvious context. There are a lot of things that you've deleted because of "common words or phrases" that shouldn't have been, really; that guideline was written because we had people identifying things like the phrase "the bomb" as a Dr. Strangelove reference. That's how common we're talking about. "Cannot be bargained or reasoned with" is not exactly a phrase from daily conversation, on the other hand. —Chaos5023 15:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Google results for the exact phrase "cannot be bargained or reasoned with." As to Optimus Prime, I see that we disagree, but you have argued your point, and I have conceded. We can disagree. I, like anyone, can be wrong (as I clearly was regarding Watson). But please don't accuse me of thoughtlessness or bad motives. I'm trying to help improve the article, as are you. As for "a lot of things that you've deleted because of 'common words or phrases that shouldn't have been," I'm up for tackling any specific one at a time and discussing it. I can't answer a generality. And thank you for your "repair" edits, too. I appreciate it.--Gothemasticator 15:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay. I know I'm broadcasting that I'm a bit irritated, and thank you for keeping a level head. I do recognize that you're editing in good faith, and I appreciate your efforts more than may be coming across. Thanks. —Chaos5023 15:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I like your "new approach for adding justifications without article bloat." Very clever.--Gothemasticator 16:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. :) I hope it works out. It does rely on people looking at the comment. But since MikaelGrizzly protected the page from anon edits, we mostly get a high class of editor. —Chaos5023 16:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

## Tek Jansen Edit

If I understand correctly, the entry is based on a)If you plant eyeglasses on him so he'll wear them, he looks like Colbert; b) He is gung-ho and gets captured; c) His name is Jensen. A) He doesn't look like Tek Jansen, and I don't think the resemblance to Colbert is "uncanny" or indeed anything to write home about. B) He is captured when you meet him; I don't think that counts as a "propensity." And he's Brotherhood; they're gung-ho. His voice doesn't resemble Colbert's. His vocal mannerisms don't resemble Colbert's. He lacks any of the charachteristic lines of Colbert or Tek Jansen. C) Being named "Jansen" or especially "Tek" would've taken the argument farther. "Jensen" just doesn't add up. Anyone else care to weigh in?--Gothemasticator 11:02, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

## X-Men - Worthington III Edit

There are 3 computer entrys in Statesmen Hotel and neighbouring Hospital about Harold Worthington III and his odd desire for Pillows. Warren Worthington III aka Angel is a mutant from x-men, his mutations are two feathered wings on his back. This seems to explain his desire for pillows... or maybe the contained feathers?

Robert Soyka from Germany - Sorry for my bad english 87.123.104.199 21:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. I googled "Worthington III" [[6]], and a lot of results point to the X-man; and a lot results point to random people. It seems to me that "Worthington III" sounds like a name designed to portray a character as rich and pampered, which would explain the pillows. While the name does raise the x-man connection question, if the reference is intended, why not give him the first name Warren as well? Also, to get from pillows to feathers to wings might be a stretch. I wouldn't include it in the article.--Gothemasticator 23:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

## Guidelines Sections Edit

What if we move the guidelines sections from the top of the article? We could move them to the bottom of the page where they would be less of an eyesore. I thought of hiding them using the <!-- --> tags, but then they wouldn't be visible if someone decides to edit a particular section only. We could also put a sentence or two at the top of the article describing what a cultural reference is and include an internal link to the guidelines sections at the end of the article. In any case, I think the page is starting to look pretty good, except for the giant pedantic confrontational guidelines that fill up the top of the article.--Gothemasticator 21:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

## Star Trek Edit

I'm pretty sure that the Star Trek part about the PC's mother saying that to James is inaccurate, because you only hear that during the "ONE YEAR LATER" fastforwarding slide, in which the Vault 101 OVERSEER says that. And even that isn't right, because he says, and I quote from the GECK: "Alright, just remember one thing. We need a doctor, not a deadbeat. Fail to meet my expectations and there will be repercussions."

Thanks for looking that up. Changing it.--Gothemasticator 20:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Hang on. I distinctly remember the phrase, "not a scientist." I don't have the G.E.C.K. installed, but I'll fire up the game in a bit and see what it sounds like.--Gothemasticator 20:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

## Ratchet and Clank Edit

The Rock-It Launcher is nearly identical in concept to the Suck Cannon in the Ratchet and Clank series. The concept of using random objects as ammo is (as far as I know) unique to the ratchet and clank series, and Fallout 3. As well, in Ratchet and Clank, you could use the smallest enemies as ammo, and in Fallout 3 you can use blown off pieces of enemies as ammo. Brightshade782 07:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)brightshade782

You obviously haven't played Half-Life 2. Tagaziel (call!) 09:52, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Agreed --Bloodscar 21:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

## Ozzy Osbourne Edit

I think that Mister Crowley in Underworld and the quest objectives of You Gotta Shoot Em In The Head are a reference to the song Mr. Crowley by Ozzy Osbourne, particuarly the lyrics:

"Uncovering things that were sacred, manifest on this earth (Oh) Conceived in the eye of a secret Yeah, they scattered the afterbirth" --139.168.48.133 09:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The song is a parallel reference to Aleister Crowley. And those lyrics are a pretty convincing argument that the song has nothing to do with the ghoul.--Gothemasticator 20:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Meteor 1979 Film

The orbital attack platform in the broken steel add-on is named bradley-hercules when you retarget it at the base. In the movie a dr bradley designs a space based nuclear weapons platform named Hercules.

## meteor 1979 Edit

The name of the space based attack platform in the expansion broken steel is named bradley-hercules when you retarget it at adams afb. in the movie a Dr Bradley designs a space based nuclear platform named Hercules.

## Twister Edit

In mothership zeta, the part where you are in the trash module and sally says "Cows? We got cows!" may be a reference to the movie Twister which has the same line in it

--139.168.48.133 01:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

## Star Wars Edit

In Mothership Zeta, when venturing into the ship's sewer system, you will run into Sally, and one of the dialogue options with her is "What an incredible smell you've discovered." The same thing is said to Luke Skywalker by Han Solo when they fall into the garbage compactor in Episode IV: A New Hope.--71.206.228.221 00:00, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

## The Godfather Edit

Charon_(Fallout_3) the ghoul's speech is reminiscent of Luca Brasi from "The Godfather", He was Don Corleone's faithful, and intimidating but dim hit man.

--Cyan-Bright 16:23, 7 August 2009 (UTC)Cyan

## Removal of Star Trek referenceEdit

I noticed that someone removed my "talking Eden to death" reference to Star Trek. I thought that was a pretty clear reference, as the plot device of "talking a computer to death" was practically a running gag in the Original Series. Unless there's some documentation or someone can convince me otherwise, I'd prefer to keep that one in. Toad of Steel 15:28, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

## Day the Earth Stood Still, TheEdit

The design of the Enclave Eyebot Helmet greatly resembles the helmet worn by the alien protagonist Klaatu at the beginning of the film.

## Starcraft ExpansionEdit

The "Please state the nature of the medical emergency" that was attributed to the good doctor in Star Trek Voyager is also said by the Medic in Star Craft Brood War.

In that case, Star Craft Brood War is referencing the same thing that Fallout 3 is: parallel reference. We don't cover those on this wiki.--Gothemasticator 06:30, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

## ItEdit

Recently, I watched the movie 'It' and found that the character Henry Bauer was very similar to Butch; they both have the same hairstyle, they both have leather-jacketed gangs, they're bullies and Henry uses a switch blade to threaten kids and as a weapon, very much like Butch and his 'Toothpick'. So, could Butch Deloria be a reference to Henry Bauer from Stephen King's movie It?--A friendly contributor 14:16, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

1950s-style leather-jacketed switch-blade-wielding bullies with that haircut are a stereo/arch-type. They're a dime-a-dozen - present in innumerable works of fiction. No reference.--Gothemasticator 02:03, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

## Billy Idol?Edit

I feel like the unmarked missionA Nice Day for a Right Wedding is a reference to Billy Idol's song "White Wedding," not only in title, but in content. In the music video for the song Idol forces the bride to marry him much like the woman in the mission. I think it should be added. Snydertrumpet5 03:21, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. That's legit. Go ahead.--Gothemasticator 03:28, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
It won't let me edit the page. It says it has been locked to prevent editing. Snydertrumpet5 07:36, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
I put it in for you. But, something wrong with your user account?--Gothemasticator 08:20, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

## V for VendettaEdit

I know the Guy Fawkes reference has already been added, but I think that the whole purpose of Vault 87 as well as the character Fawkes in Fallout 3 are a reference to Alan Moore's 1982 comic book V for Vendetta. Here's why:

• In the comic, people were incarcerated in a government facility, where they were injected with a new biological compound called "Batch 5" for testing purposes. This compound caused massive cellular anomalies killing all but one of the test subjects. Indeed very similar to the inhabitants of Vault 87 being injected with te FEV.
• Also, the sole survivor of these experiments and main protagonist of V for Vendetta is the prisoner from cell number five. This also applies for Fawkes, as can be seen when accessing the panel next to his cell.
• Lastly, the protagonist in V for Vendetta uses a mask that resembles the appearance of Guy Fawkes (hence the name of the Fallout 3 character) to conceal his identity, is heavily disfigured and has most likely enhanced physical abilities due to the effects of "Batch 5".

There are some other minor resemblances between the two stories, but these ought o be the most obvious.

All the information can be found and verified in the Wikipedia article for V for Vendetta. --Gabriel 217.6.145.246 10:21, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

## Raven RockEdit

The Enclave Base, "Raven Rock," has the same name as the Solstheim Colony from the Bethesda game Morrowind. This is definitely an easter egg.

I cant believe i didnt see this immediately.Would someone care to add or give permission for me to add this to the article? DisturbiaWolf13 19:23, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Recycling of materials (names, quest plots, voice actors, etc.) from past Bethesda titles does not constitute a cultural reference.--Gothemasticator 19:33, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

There is also a real area called Raven Rock in Pensylvania in that general area. 213.122.110.93 21:50, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

## Whack a Mole RatEdit

Outside of the Arlington Bridge entrance to the County Sewer Mainline I found a Super Mutant Master with a Sledge Hammer running around trying to kill Mole Rats. I killed the Mutant and, even though I had Animal Friend the only Mole Rat left was hostile. But instead of attacking he would run a few meters away and then look at me and... laugh. I don't take too kindly to a Mole mocking me, so I shot him in the face. Anyway, I found that to be a reference to the game Whack a Mole as you try to whack a mole with a hammer. I couldn't find anything about this on the site, so I put is here. P.S. I don't really know if this is a reference, I find it more of an Easter Egg.--I'm not a user 11:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Just pointing this out, there is an even more direct reference to whack a mole in the game where, compleeting the molerat repelent segment of wasteland survival guide, your pc has the optinon of saying "I like explosive whack a mole, can I get it in bullet form? for humans?" also do you think the picture in the animal friend perk might be a reference to something, maby loonytoons?Superinsomniac 03:49, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

## GuidelinesEdit

The guidelines on the page are way too extensive. They are editing advice and as such should be here on the talk page and not in the article itself. The current setup is a bit like starting a newspaper article with a one-page section about how to write newspaper articles. -- Porter21 (talk) 11:58, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Moved them. -- Porter21 (talk) 12:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm a little late, but thank you. Page looks much better now.--Gothemasticator 23:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

## Winthrop Edit

The name Winthrop may be derived from the '50s B movie, Fiend Without A Face. I thought I'd query it here before an edit.

See here: [7]

and here: [8]

Any thoughts before I edit?

--Darkdesign1961 21:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Seems reeeeeally sketchy, but conceivable. Be nice if anything could be turned up in Winthrop's dialogue that hinted at the movie. —Chaos5023 21:11, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Point taken. I'll leave it, I think. No need to bloat the page.

--Darkdesign1961 21:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

To re-open this, note that the plot of the film I mentioned above concerned an invasion by disembodied brains, somewhat like Professor Calvert.--Darkdesign1961 09:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

## Sergeant RL-3 Edit

I took the liberty of adding a reference to US General of the Army Douglas MacArthur. After telling Sgt. RL-3 to wait, talking to him again, and telling him that you were just checking to see if he was still there, he will state, "Old warbots never die! We just rust away." This is an obvious reference to MacArthur's farewell speech after being retired by President Truman.

--117649AnnihilativeRepentance 01:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

MacArthur was referencing a marine saying "Marines never die, we just regroup in hell" --.22-Shooter (talk) 23:14, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, i used the wrong phrase, MacArthur said "Old soldiers never die, we just fade away" but im still pretty sure that this is an old millitary saying and wasnt invented by MacArthur heres an extract of the speech "one of the most popular barrack ballads of that day which proclaimed most proudly that "old soldiers never die; they just fade away." theres proof its an old saying in that extract "popular barrack ballads" barrack ballad means a millitary phrase.

## Princess Bride Edit

When you activate the potectron in the Old Olney sewers, it will state "Pests of unusual size detected". this seems like a referance to the "Rodents of unusual size" found in the Princess Bride.

## Tek Jansen Edit

If I understand correctly, the entry is based on a)If you plant eyeglasses on him so he'll wear them, he looks like Colbert; b) He is gung-ho and gets captured; c) His name is Jensen. A) He doesn't look like Tek Jansen, and I don't think the resemblance to Colbert is "uncanny" or indeed anything to write home about. B) He is captured when you meet him; I don't think that counts as a "propensity." And he's Brotherhood; they're gung-ho. His voice doesn't resemble Colbert's. His vocal mannerisms don't resemble Colbert's. He lacks any of the charachteristic lines of Colbert or Tek Jansen. C) Being named "Jansen" or especially "Tek" would've taken the argument farther. "Jensen" just doesn't add up. Anyone else care to weigh in?--Gothemasticator 11:02, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I moved this up from the archive page because the entry has just been reinserted on the article page. I still hold by the above argument. Would the author of the entry or anyone else care to weigh in?--Gothemasticator 09:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Removed.--Gothemasticator 02:11, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Jansen has a nasty habit of getting captured. So does Jensen.

Jansen has a very Colbert-ish hairstyle. So does Jensen.

There's not enough Colbert references. Nitty 02:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

## Half-life Edit

I was thinking about adding this into the real list, but i didnt know how to do it.

The Prototype Medic Power Armor is presumeably a reference to the H.E.V (Hazardous EnViornmental) suit used by Gordon Freeman in the half-life series, in which Gordon Freeman's suit is known to also vocalize the player's current health status, as well as administer medicine at appropriate times.

This has been brought up before. I wouldn't put it in. Suits that perform these functions are pretty generic in sci-fi settings.--Gothemasticator 02:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

## Catcher In The Rye Edit

The current entry says that Tom and Mary Holden are quoting The Catcher In The Rye before they run to their deaths. I just played through, and all I heard them saying was something close to, "We can make it out of here, just like the doctor." "Tom, don't!" "It's me, Tom Holden!" Bang bang. Am I missing something? Without some confirmation, I'm going to take it out in a few days.--Gothemasticator 02:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I think those lines are the reference. I haven't read the book, though. Nitty 02:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

removed. I have read the book and have no idea how those lines can be construed as quoting. It's been some years since I read it, but without any confirmation I don't buy it.--Gothemasticator 04:53, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Catcher is my favorite book, and I don't recall any lines like that. Jack "the drifter" vance

## No Country For Old Men Edit

I removed this once before. Someone please convince me if I am wrong. But in the movie, the shootout does not remain in the hotel room. The two men shoot it out all over the street. Also, shotguns and a suitcase in a hotel room is a pretty generic scene in all sorts of fiction. I'm failing to see the close connection to No Country. I'll let it sit for a few days, so people can weigh in. But without further confirmation, I'll remove it.--Gothemasticator 02:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

It sounds plausible, a guy with a suitcase full of money that has a sensor hidden in it does sounds very familiar to no country for old men to the suitcase in the movie, and even then it could just be a soft reference not copying any particular scene in the movie just having the important items the characters in the movie, or as close as they can copy with the items in the game like a sawed-off shotgun, the main guy in the movie he didn't actually use a double barrel sawed-off he used a pump shotgun that he sawed the rest of the barrel off of. And Sugar, he didn't actually use a double barrel, he used a silenced pump shotgun so the double barrel had to sub for the silenced pump shotgun. Shadowrunner56 03:12, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

A lot of what you just said is my point: it may sound familiar, but men with guns fighting over a suitcase of money is not specific to No Country. It is in movies back to the 1920s! And, as you have pointed out, none of the details are exact matches to No Country. They're all just similar. I remain unconvinced.--Gothemasticator 09:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
You can delete if you want then as it seems no one else is objecting to it's deletion. Shadowrunner56 21:43, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
removed--Gothemasticator 04:52, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

## The Running Man (movie not book) Edit

In the start of The Running Man there is the scene where Ben Richards is in prison, in this prison the prisoners each wear a special electronic collar similar to the ones used by the Slavers of Paridise Falls, when the prisoners pass through the perimeter of the prison the collars activate and blow the escapist's head off just like the Slave Collars

Not particular to The Running Man. Also present in many many works of fiction, including Battlefield Earth and MacGyver. See here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main.ExplosiveLeash.--Gothemasticator 23:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Also the line "You can't stop the signal!" originally comes from this movie, when the rebels are trying to take over the broadcast.

Care to back that up? The rest of us know that it is from Serenity. But if it is originally from Running Man, I'd be glad to learn. And please sign your entries.--Gothemasticator 18:29, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

also after carefull inspection i noticed the presumed Sugar skeleton had a brace on its leg just like the injury in the movie i think this is with out a doubt A no country for old men refrence

## Numerous... Questionable Entries Edit

Besides a couple of repeated "references" (which I don't have time to correct, heck, I don't currently have enough time to find my login), I found a couple references that seem far TOO specific. As in, anyone could say these remarks or perform these actions, and not be labeled as referencing obscure works. These are:

Armitage III (They only share name and race (android). I think it could be the US's 13th United States Deputy Secretary of State, Richard Armitage.)
It couldn't actually be the Secretary of State, since he is not an android. I am not familiar with Armitage III, but I am familiar enough with android fiction to know that there aren't any other androids named Armitage out there. So, it seems likely enough to me.--Gothemasticator 09:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Frisky Dingo (Let me quote Wikipedia's Character synopsis to show how ridiculus this is: "Her radioactive exposure splits her personality, creating the alter ego Antagone. Antagone has strength proportional to that of an ant, commands ants, can spit formic acid, and has substantially larger breasts than Grace." Where are the Antagonizer's larger breasts?)
My guess is that it is a coincidence. Having a woman who can control ants be named something like Antagone, the Antagonizer, Antithesis, etc., is just too easy of a move for the writer. But again, I am not familiar with Frisky Dingo at all, so I have left it in, because at least the similarities are there.--Gothemasticator 09:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Lost (If it was the full sequence of numbers, that would be convincing, but it could be a coincidence)
Have you lurked on any boards where Lost is discussed? There are no coincidences, man. Seriously, I don't watch the show, but I'm prepared to buy this one from what I know of the show.--Gothemasticator 09:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Music Man, The (Far too general a term.)
This one is right on, actually. Just play through that scene in the game. I think the reference is clear and funny.--Gothemasticator 09:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Schindler's List (Anyone can shoot from a tower at those they deem less than (see Charles Whitman)).
I agree that this one is also iffy. But, saying anyone can is very different from saying that it so common a cultural trope as to be generic. I personally don't buy it, but I can't argue against it. So, I haven't removed it.
Yogi Bear. Yao Guai means "monster" in modern Mandarin Chinese, and it's similarity to Yogi Bear is only a coincidence drawn from a mispronounciation. It is pronounced "yow-gwigh" not "yow-gwee".
Look on the archived page for numerous arguments about this entry. I have come to the conclusion that it is meant to be a reference/joke. I think it's a bad pun, one that I would respond to with a stern look or a groan, but I think it was meant as a pun, nonetheless. Why? Because "yao guai" doesn't mean "bear." It means, as you said, monster or demon. So, why make them bears in the game if not to try for a bad Yogi Bear pun?--Gothemasticator 22:59, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

What do you guys think? --174.103.224.13 04:26, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

If you think it's sketchy now, look back about a month and a half. Right now this page is no longer an embarrassment.--Gothemasticator 09:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

## Hitler Youth Edit

Everyone getting a pipboy at age 10 may be a reference to children in Nazi Germany being forced to join the Hitler youth at age 10.

The whole personality of the Overseer may be a refrence to Hitler, such as his total control of the vault, and probably most notably, his 'trying to keep the vault pure' (ring a bell with Hitler?) --TheFrogger 19:51, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
HMM, I can think of forty thousand OTHER things that have to do with the age of 10, from Pacific island rituals to every kid getting their starter Pokemon, but of all the things that one could troll about on the Internet, it has to be Hitler. Absolutely not. Nitty 00:33, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
Ahh, Godwin's Law, what would we do without you?

I believe that the overseer is more likeley a reference to stalin, or another communist dictator (fidel, he is hispanic) in that he tends to rule with an Iron Fist, and I don't think the pip boy at age 10 is a reference to anything, they needed a reason to put such an essential item into the storyline so they added the tenth birthday party to the mix, however the pipboy it self might be a reference to something, however, I don't know of what.Superinsomniac 03:40, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

There's a thing called 'overanalyzing'. You're doing it right now. Tagaziel (call!) 10:40, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

## New Easter Egg Found! Edit

I can't believe this hasn't been noticed before, but the whole doctor (hold still this wont hurt a bit) scene of fallout 3 is from half life! it does the exact same thing in half life when you get one of the doctors. It may just be a coincidence, but i seriously doubt it.

## Palmer Soviet spies Edit

Palmer wad a russian immigrant in the usa with the troubles in the country and other stuff palmer went against russian politics in the us govermen which then deported more than 200 russians accuse as spies trying to overthrow the goverment With chinese communist spies and mama dolces being a recruiter maybe old lady Palmers name was taken from the russian woman Palmer i dont know her 1st name

## Only Cultural References? Edit

I was under the impression that an Easter Egg was an intentional hidden message, in-joke, or feature. It seems that this article only includes cultural references, which are only one type of Easter Egg. I was going to add the teddy bear with a bottle of whiskey, shot glass, ashtray, and cigarette, found in Old Olney Underground.

And I just realized the pages title was Cultural References in Fallout 3. Easter Eggs redirects here, however, so it might be a good idea to start a separate page for non-cultural reference easter eggs.

## Protectron is featured in Gremlins the movie Edit

you can see the Protectron that sits outside megaton (the one with cowboy hat) in the movie Gremlins. when the dad call from the inventor convention you see it in the phone booth behind him. --98.150.253.51 08:49, October 27, 2009 (UTC)Picky33

The Protectron is "inspired" by 1950's sci-fi style robots, like this one: http://images.google.com/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hl=en&source=hp&q=robby+the+robot&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=. The movie Gremlins is hearkening back to the same robots from the same era. This is what we call a parallel reference.--Gothemasticator 09:06, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

The Protectron doesn't look like a generic 1950's style robot, it just looks like Robby the Robot from The Forbidden Planet. It's a pretty clear visual reference and a very strong resemblance. Robby also starred in The Invisible Boy made a year later and went on to make quite a few cameo appearances on film and TV, including Gremlins.

Yeah. And the link I provided above is to Robby the Robot. And, Robby the Robot is now on various article pages, having replaced less-informed references. And sign your posts.--Gothemasticator 20:24, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

## Abraham Washington and lincons repeater Edit

I added a couple of references and made some changes to another one, and just wanted to make sure that I am ok with the guidelines, the change involves the "Lincoln, Abraham" section where it origionally said the dogs name four score, I added the word Abolishionists (not sure if I spelled the right one) to point out that four score is the abolishonist's dog as the origional was a bit vague in which dog was being referred

I also added lincoln's repeater, to that section because I believe that it is a reference to Abraham Lincoln,

I also added Abraham Washington to the Lincoln section and created a George Washington section with Abraham washington added as well, since his name is odviously a reference to both Abraham lincoln and George Washington.

The reason I am leaveing this message is that I simply want to confirm that these addithios are ok Superinsomniac 03:33, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

## Flags of Our Fathers Edit

I'd say this reference is unintentional, since it's more likely it's a literal reference to the anchorage war memorial, which is a statue of the photo. So in my opinion it's an ingame reference more than a reference to Flags of our Fathers.

Your're right about noticing this but I think you can take it even further. It is a reference to the news paper picture which was published when Iwo Jima was conquered after a long and bloody fight. If there was a reference to D-Day in the game you wouldn't say it is a reference to the Saving private Ryan movie. The picture of the marines raising the flag was likely posed some time after they had conquered the island to get a nice picture for the press and the people just like the photo of the Red army soldiers putting the Russian flag on the Reichstag. I think in the flags of our fathers movie they also notice that. So I would change the reference to the historical moment since that formed the base for the flags of our fathers movie, the scene in the game and the in-game anchorage memorial.87.211.193.250 21:44, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, the original flag was raised by Marines and then taken down and sent to Washington. The photograph was taken when a second flag was being erected. Oh, and the fighting on Iwo Jima was still very much going on when it was erected. Tagaziel (call!) 02:02, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

thanks for the history lesson ;), but don't you think i should edit it?87.211.193.250 19:02, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

## Possible Cultural Reference Edit

Our Little Secret acquired from Old Man Harris in Andale. Possibly a reference to the '89 movie Parents starring Randy Quaid as the father. It is a story about a young boy who questions the meat his parents cook for dinner.

Turns out his suspicions are correct. His parents are cannibals, and in the Andale quests, the "strange meat" found in the shack/basement belonged to humans at one point in time. 75.60.6.181 08:22, November 5, 2009 (UTC)AC

There are only generic similarities. There's no actual reference to the movie.--Gothemasticator 09:09, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

## possible reference to futurama (though more likeley an unintentional coincidence) Edit

I am talking about the church of atom, and how they worship an unexploded nuclear bomb. I was watching an episode of futurama last night and they came across some sewer mutants who worshiped an unexploded nuclear bomb, though to them it was more of an easter and christmas thing. Though I do think that this reference is unlikeley, I think that it might still be a reference to some other movie, though I don't know what.Superinsomniac 00:46, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Beneath the Planet of the Apes. It's already referenced in the article. Also, Futurama is a show which exists almost solely to make cultural references, so pretty much anything from that show would be a parallel reference.--Gothemasticator 00:48, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

## Red Army Propagand's Edit

Few propagand on the wall (Civil defensse administration "where will you be when the holocaust comes?") are the same than soviet red army recrutement ("Ты запишешьсия в доброжим")

Oh, that is wonderful! I have no time right now, nor am I any good with pic files on the wiki, so if someone else can resize that file and make an entry on the article page, that would be great.--Gothemasticator 23:42, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

OK, I re-sized it on the talk page, just copy it in. - RASICTalk 00:17, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Entry added.--Gothemasticator 10:06, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

## Yao Guai is Yogi Bear? Edit

I think the one who comes up with this ideal is totally nuts, i dont see any link between Yao Guai and Yogi Bear, not even the meaning and the words itself, actually i'm a chinese and in chinese Yao Guai Means Monster(妖Yao怪Guai）, Yao Guai is the "Hanyu pinyin" of "妖怪" of chinese language. And by the way i forgot to mention, "hanyu pinyin" is a way of pronouncing chinese with english letters. So in the end....hm... Yogi Bear Still?

Please read the bottom two sections on Talk:Yao guai page. If you can shed any new light on the issue, please do.--Gothemasticator 20:33, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

## Grognak the barbarian cover Edit

Am I the only person who noticed that the axe being wielded by Grognak on the cover of the comic looks almost identical to the Iron Battleaxe from TES 04: Oblivion?

Go to http://www.uesp.net/w/images/images.new/6/6b/OB-items-Battle_Axes.jpg to see the iron battleaxe from Oblivion (It's the axe on the top left)

now look at the axe on the comic cover See the identical axes?

Aye, I've added that in. I thought it was already here, but it might just be on the Grognak page... Nitty Tok. 16:38, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

I took it out. It's another re-use of previous game assets, not a reference. In this case, if I had to guess, I would suppose that the artist(s) responsible for the Grognak cover also worked on Oblivion, so I'm not much surprised if they draw him with one of the Oblivion axes.--Gothemasticator 20:46, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

It's not a re-use, it had to be "cartoonized" for the comic book. Nitty Tok. 20:47, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
I agree. I think it was put there as a "Hey that looks familiar..." easter egg. --MadCat221 06:29, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
definetly agree, you might want to put it back87.211.193.250 21:45, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
See the section directly below this. We will not be covering any similarities to past Beth titles.--Gothemasticator 22:09, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

## Snubbing the Elder Scrolls references? Edit

Why are the Elder Scrolls references completely omitted? I can understand the bit about voice actors, but I hardly think something like the Sweet Roll Scenario or the Grognak iron weapons is just a "re-use".

By this logic, the fact that the Interplay logo is the Chevy Chase statue should be omitted too since it is just as much a 're-used asset' as the Elder Scrolls iron weapons on the cover of Grognak.

--MadCat221 06:28, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Including assets, materials or content from one's own past games is not a cultural reference. It's just re-using in-house materials. All of Bethesda's games do this, and it is not notable. We will not cover it on this wiki.--Gothemasticator 07:08, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
The Interplay logo is not material from past Bethesda titles. It is the logo of the company Bethesda bought the game license from. Not a re-used asset but a deliberate homage to the parent company of Fallout.
In addition, the one exception to the Bethesda rule is the unique plate found on the telephone pole outside of Big Town. It is listed and pictured on this article page. That was not a re-use of anything but a deliberate naming of a past work of which Bethesda was proud. Like George Lucas including the inscription THX-1138 in every one of his works as an homage to his own first film. Not a reuse of ideas or content, but the inclusion of a hard-to-spot, but direct naming of another title.--Gothemasticator 07:14, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

## Dinosaurs Edit

Apparently Point Lookout holds the skeleton of a T-rex in the water, as seen by this video. Worth mentioning? Tzaro the Outcast 21:30, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Why would we mention it here? What is it a reference to?--Gothemasticator 21:36, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
I didn't see any real "Easter Egg" page, so this was the only place I could think of mentioning it. Tzaro the Outcast 21:38, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
This article is really just for specific cultural references. The dinosaur skeleton could be entered under "Notes" on the appropriate Point Lookout location page.--Gothemasticator 21:50, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

## Little Boy Edit

In the Fallout 3 ad for the Fat Man, a little boy is seen holding and firing it. Might this be a reference to the nuclear bomb dropped over Hiroshima, as "Fat Man" was the bomb dropped over Nagasaki? 85.3.226.106 17:09, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

## Cool Hand Luke Edit

In Paradise Falls, the "box" seems to be a reference to the punishment of the same name in the movie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvwqK2gn3S0

"The box" is common prison slang (at least in fiction) and not particular to Cool Hand Luke. No reference there to the movie.--Gothemasticator 06:18, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

## wtf happeaned to star wars? Edit

there used to be a star wars section, whered it go? i rember some distinc refs. to star wars. like in mother ship zeta theres “What an incredible smell you’ve discovered!” and it think some where on the map, theres TK-421 wich is the storm trooper luke stole the armor he used in the death star from. and i think theres something near it on the map that said somthing like dba23, which leai was trapped in detention block aa 23. i think theres a couple other as well, but im no expert

never mind about the tk-421 and dententione block thing, those were fallout 2.

## Black Isle Edit

Hey, have the Isla Negra Holdings and the USS Ebon Atoll been mentioned or removed for the references to Black Isle Studios at all? Nitty Tok. 23:53, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Certainly not removed. Guess they just never made it onto the main article page.--Gothemasticator 03:40, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
Whoo! I'll put those in. Nitty Tok. 03:42, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

## Judge Dredd Edit

The Regulators sometimes say the line "We are the law" and Judge Dredd's catchphrase is "I am the law". Ordinarily I wouldn't think that there was an intentional link with a line like this, but considering the Regulators essentially do the same work as the judges...

Saying "I am the law" or "We are the law" did not originate with Judge Dredd. It's as old as laws and lawmakers. No reference.--Gothemasticator 09:05, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

So to play devil's advocate, hypothetically if Fallout 3 contained a robot or android that said the words "I'll be back", you wouldn't accept that as a Terminator reference? Because people have been informing each other of their desire to return to a set destination for a while I should think.

Right. If they said it with an accent, you've got yourself a reference. If they said it straight, probably not.--Gothemasticator 18:09, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

## Full Metal Jacket Reference? Edit

Hey in Point Lookout in the detention center I found a skeleton on a toilet with an assault rifle beside him. It was in one of the buildings there.

Would that be a reference or did I just drop that there by mistake?

I'm skeptical, simply because of the way the game distributes loot and objects. I mean, it's possible that the devs had something in mind when they placed things, but if the result is that we the players can't really tell if it's specifically a reference or just a random similarity, then it remains just an in-joke in the mind of the guy who placed it there. I really don't think we should be listing things that just might be, possibly, a reference. We should stick to things that are pretty clear and definite.--Gothemasticator 18:56, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

## Cram/Spam Reference Edit

I believe cram is the food ingested by men in the hobbit, sorry that my memory is vague but im 100% sure that its in the book somewhere described along the lines of "bland and tasteless". It is also available to pick up in the computer game "The Fellowship of the Ring", I think only when you play as Aragorn. I apologise for my vagueness but if anybody finds this to be an accurate reference could they please add it?

## Star Trek: Miri (Original Series) Edit

In the original Star Trek series, an episode called "Miri" centered around a world where the entire population was children. They referred to anyone older than 16 as "grups", and ostracized them. While the reason for this hostility toward older people is different from Little Lamplight (upon turning 16, people developed a horrific disease and went insane), I can't believe it's a coincidence. Everything about the area reminded me of the Star Trek episode - I had to go look up the original reference just to see if they weren't called "mungos" in the Star Trek episode too. Just a note.

This same idea is present all over scifi, as well as in more "classic" literature. See, for instance, Lord of the Flies, a wonderful book if you haven't read it. Star Trek was certainly not original in the use of this plot device, and it has become so prevalent as to become "stock." Little Lamplight is not a reference to any particular antecedant.--Gothemasticator 08:29, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Also, I saw someone else noted the "Rodents of Unusual Size" reference from Princess Bride. That wording is a little too cumbersome ("Pests of Unusual Size") to be anything but a nod to the Rob Reiner classic.

## Howard Hughes Reference and a weigh in on the Full Metal Jacket soldier. Edit

One I haven't seen mentioned. There are a line of empty nuka-cola bottles outside Alaistair Tenpenny's (I believe its his suite, one of the rooms) suite in Tenpenny Tower. Howard Hughes was an eccentric, fabulously wealthy pioneer and capitalist that made an astronomical fortune taking advantage of the events that unfolded around him. He eventually went all but entirely insane and became a fanatical germophobe, going so far as to urinate in bottles and line them up outside his door to be collected by his staff for fear of leaving his room to use the washroom. Pretty sure thats an exact match.

As for the Full Metal Jacket soldier I find it surprising you have any doubt whatsoever that this is a direct reference.. Being arguably the most recognizable scenes in one of the the most recognizable war films of all time and given that the positioning of the entire scene is nearly identical to the supposed aftermath had Pyle's body not been removed after his suicide, I find it to be a pretty dubious claim that it is not almost certainly a direct reference.

I challenge you to find any similar scene in any other popular media that is in no way referencing FMJ to prove me wrong.

The Howard Hughes thing is written up on Allistair Tenpenny's page. No one would object to it being reproduced here.
As to Full Metal Jacket, let's see some comparison pics, if your point is striking visual similarity. If screenshots and movie captures really are similar, it'll stand.--Gothemasticator 07:57, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

# Article guidelinesEdit

1. Name-only similarity is not enough to go on. Context and other secondary evidence is necessary.
2. Real-world places: Many locations in Fallout 3 also exist in the real world. These are fine to note in the "Behind the scenes" sections of location articles, but they do not belong in this article.
3. Parallel references: Fallout 3 may make reference to, for instance, Greek mythology (See Charon (Fallout 3). The game God of War also references Greek mythology. This does not mean Fallout 3 is referencing God of War. We list the primary reference (Greek mythology); we do not list the parallel reference (God of War).
4. Be brief: Use as few words as you can. Provide informative links rather than explaining yourself at length. "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." —Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
5. Be conservative in what you identify as a reference. If the connection is vague and questionable, consider opening a discussion about it on the talk page instead of adding it to the article.
6. Intensifiers: Refrain from describing references as "simple", "direct", "obvious", "clear" and so on. This comes across as combative and does not add to the information in your entry.
7. References are organized by the non-Fallout topic referenced, in alphabetical order. Maintain this organization: keep things alphabetical, do not add sections with Fallout topics as headings, and do not add information about unrelated non-Fallout topics to topic sections. This means that if there is a Marquis de Sade section about how the Nuka-Cola Challenge quest is a reference to the 120 Days of Sodom, and you think that the quest also refers to Nabokov's Lolita, you should not edit the Marquis de Sade section to say so; rather, you should make a Lolita or Vladimir Nabokov section, and possibly crossreference between the sections if the references are related.
8. Check the talk page for discussion about the reference you would be adding. This is a heavily edited and discussed page, and it's entirely possible that your reference has been added, discussed, and removed, or discussed and then not added.

## Guidelines for deleting cultural referencesEdit

1. If you "don't get" or don't understand a reference, post your question/doubts on the discussion page. Get some feedback before removing an entry that may be valid.
2. Use the "Summary" box on your edit page when removing a reference, so that others can understand why you removed it.
3. It is appropriate to post more involved reasons for removing an entry on the discussion page.

# Discussion of ReferencesEdit

## Only Fools and Horses referenceEdit

in only fools and horses there is an imigrant who can only say gary and is the only thing he says for the hole epesode. Gary's in vault 108 are the same, only saying gary.

The first thing that came to my mind was "Matt Damon" from the Team America movie. Metaphorset 19:22, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

## Star Wars reference in Mothership Zeta to be added.Edit

I'm adding this in here untill someone can add it into the main page. I don't have permission to edit the main article yet.

But basically I noticed that when you meet Sally in the trash elevator on the Maintenence Level (right before you plummet several floors) you have an option of dialogue which says "What an incredible smell you've discovered." which is obviously refering to the garbage compactor scene in 'A New Hope' where Han says the same line to Chewbacca right before the compactor switches on.

Could someone add this in please? I've noted in the two archived pages this has been requested before but noone seems to have put it in.

## Possible reference to The Road? Edit

I noticed that the section for The Road just mentions that Todd Howard interview, but there aren't any actual in-game references. I think I might have found one: Towards the end of the Those! quest, after you stop the ants but before you find Bryan Wilks a home, if you talk to Bryan he says "I know you - you're one of the good guys!" In The Road, at end of the book (without spoiling it) the boy asks some people if they're the good guys. He asks his dad a lot about the good guys and being the good guys, so this one seems pretty straightforward to me.63.231.142.90 21:29, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

"Good guys" is such a generic term that we can't list it as a reference.--Gothemasticator 05:24, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, it might be. It is very similar. His dad just died, a random stranger helps him.Vault 815 05:23, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

I think i also may have found a reference,but the chance of it actually being one is small; the boys favorite food is said to be pork and beans,and this is an item in-game.

## why is a scoped magnum a refrence to mad max Edit

seriosly what do u think a scoped magnums going to look like

Magnums are usually going to be Smith and Wesson Model 29's, in the steps of Dirty Harry. F3's is more in the shape of Ruger's Blackhawk, especially when you consider the name "Blackhawk". Nitty Tok. 06:06, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Scoped Magnum is a reference to the gun carried by Lord Humungus  :). It is based on the appearance of the Smith and Wesson model gun he uses. 12:30, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

## ink spots referanceEdit

theres a song called Little small town girls, and the lyrics go some thing like this- its a small town girl in a big town dream. i was thinking is small town little lamp light and big town big town? it also is a referance to the fact all the kids there dream about going to big town which the girl in the song is thinking of.

Way too generic to be a reference.--Gothemasticator 21:20, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Big Town is a reference to a song by Roy Brown who coincidently wrote Butcher Pete and Mighty Man . 82.28.198.135 12:31, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

## Dracula note Edit

Minor note on the Dracula entry, Vlad Dracula is the actual name of the historical figure, tepes (impaler) is a nickname. For some reason many get these backwards.

• To be more accurate his name is Vlad Drăculea, but his usual title in the English speaking world is Vlad III or Vlad the Impaler. (see Wikipedia article - His Romanian surname Drăculea (also spelled "Drakulya"), by which Vlad was referred to in several documents, is in reference to his father, Vlad Dracul who was a proud member of the monarchical chivalric order for selected nobility with a Latin name "Societas Draconistrarum" meaning the Order of the Dragon). So Dracula is not a name in the same sense as Smith or Johnson, for example. Giuseppe87 14:01, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Another note on this - maybe this other reference should be added to this article: Meresti Metro Station is named after a small town (a commune) in Romania, Merești, located in Transylvania. This seems to be another reference to the vampire myth commonly associated with Transylvania. Giuseppe87 14:01, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

The line about "from here to Monroeville" hardly seems like a reference to George Romero, but just a reference to an area in Pennsylvania. JimmyBassatti 15:41, June 25, 2010 (UTC) It was used for killing Ghouls (in Night of the Living Dead they are refered to as such) and the majority of the series was filmed in or near Monroeville.--Kleiner352 21:08, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

## Possible "Red Dawn" reference Edit

During Galaxy News Radio broadcasts one of Three Dog's lines is "This is Radio Free Wasteland, and we're here for you." In the 1984 movie Red Dawn American refugees listen to a radio station entitled "Radio Free America."

75.219.57.26 19:35, July 1, 2010 (UTC)EvilFrostop

## Possible The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Reference Edit

In the Herbert "Daring" Dashwood radio serial episode "Super Mutant Mayhem", Argyle refers to the act of reverse-pickpocketing a grenade onto an unsuspecting super mutant as "the old Shady Sam Shuffle." This might be a reference to the NPC "Shady Sam" from TESIV.

It's Shady Sands, a town in the older Fallouts. Nothing to do with Oblivion. User:Dolten 04:48, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Didn't make the connection. Thanks for clearing that up. Withdrawn. 205.188.117.18 03:57, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

## Strapping Young Lad Reference in the Adams Air Force Base Tunnel Edit

The fallout 3 developers have great taste in metal apparently.

In the tunnels to the Adams Air Force base there's a maintenance terminal.

On the last date there's a statement left stating:

"I wish that I could sleep
and just get this over with
...this is only high
school bullshit...

I'm lost... I'm freaking and everybody knows... everyone's watching"

Direct lyrics to the Strapping Young Lad song "Detox"

## Music Man GNR Edit

Doesn't Three Dog mention something about "Trouble Right Here in Rivet City"?

## Smokey the Bear reference Edit

The first time I heard the radio segment playing, I could have sworn it was "Only you can prevent human flesh virus", not "human flesh fires". Can we confirm this? A lot of other online sources (i.e. Wikiquote) claim it's "flesh fires" too, but it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me. combyne 00:36, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

"Only you can prevent" is a direct quote from Smokey the Bear; and since there's no more forests, and the context is radiation and ghoulification, he says "human flesh fires" instead of "forest fires" - "virus" wouldn't make sense in this context because ghoulification isn't related to any virus. --Kris 00:42, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
It's definitely "flesh fires" since radiation literally burns away the skin and the flesh. Since Fukushima there's a lot about the effects in the media all over the world. Metaphorset 19:03, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
I heard "virus" too when I was playing FO3. I heard it as "mutant flesh virus". I guess I don't keep my radio audio turned up loud enough or something. It seemed odd, since there was never any other reference to ghoulification resulting from a virus. I never paid that much attention to it, but seeing the ref. on the wiki gave me an "Oh, right!" moment. Thanks again, Nukapedia! --FFIX (talk) 11:47, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

## "Brahmin" Edit

I remember hearing that Brahmin were upper class people or something. Nukey (talk) 20:22, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Wikipidea says "A Brahmin (also Brahman; Brāhmaṇa, ब्राह्मण) is a member of the priestly class in the Indian subcontinent..." and "Brahmins are also called Vipra "inspired",[1] or Dvija "twice-born"" (they have two heads, so they are sorta twice born) So is probably worth adding.JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 20:27, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

We already have an entry titled "Hindu culture."--Gothemasticator 01:14, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

## From Hell it Came Edit

I was wondering if there are any comparisons between Harold (in all three games) and the creature from From Hell It Came, which was a dead man buried and then resurrected by gamma radiation and became a tree, for no reason whatsoever. Similar to Harold and the vats of FEV. They even look quite similar.

## "V for Vendetta" Edit

In regards to Fawkes, I think it's more likely that he's a reference to the graphic novel V for Vendetta (or the film adaptation) rather than a direct reference to Guy Fawkes. Compare:

In V for Vendetta, V is a man who is held in a prison camp equipped for medical experimentation. He is infected with a prospective biological weapon. While imprisoned, he is held in Cell V (5). The viral agent gives him superhuman strength and reflexes, but he is the only member of the experimental group to survive the process. He is disfigured as a result of his escape, causing him to hide his scarred face under a Guy Fawkes mask.

In Fallout, Fawkes is a man who is held in a Vault retrofitted for medical experimentation. He is infected with the Forced Evolution Virus. While imprisoned, he is held in Testing Chamber 5. The viral agent gives him superhuman strength, endurance, and damage resistance, but he is the only member of the experimental group to survive the process with his intellect intact. He is disfigured by the viral agent to the extent that he cannot hide his disfigurement, but he does take on the name of Fawkes.

## President Eden's chats: The mold of the Yancy Edit

I always thought Eden was in fact Eisenhower and not Roosevelt, here is why:

In the cultural reference it says that president Eden's chats are based on Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Fireside Chats. Actually i think they are based on Philip K. Dick's the mold of the Yancy story. According to the notes written by Dick he in turn based himself on Eisenhowers radio broadcasts. Quote: The Mold of Yancy follows an investigation into an off-Earth colony where a seemingly benign totalitarian society has emerged. The eponymous Yancy is a popular public figure who is actually a virtual person, created by teams of 'Yance-men'. All aspects of day to day life are commentated on by Yancy through advertisements and broadcast shows, from breakfast cereal to music to politics. The populace of the society are essentially being de-politicized and homogenised by the messages of Yancy. All of Yancy's opinions are the least controversial possible; the way his speech is written appears to be profound, yet the content is such that very little is in fact being said.

Eden is in fact a artifical construct, like Yancy. Like Yancy Eden's talk is seeminlingly benign but as the story progress it becomes clear they hide a political agenda. Like in Yancy Eden is steering the populace towards a conflict. Eisenhower much better fits the background of fallout as he was the president during the height of the cold war which seems to be the cultural background of fallout 3. Also Eisenhower was in office at the same time Anthony Eden was prime minister in Britain during a period of great tension during the cold war, which seems to suggest that in fact John Henry Eden is an indirect reference to that.

It's simply not an either-or situation here. John Henry Eden is a computer that used the traits/personalities of past presidents, to create this persona. So, really - it's likely a mix of all the well known, historically "patriotic" presidents. FDR, Ike, Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, etc. Digital Utopia (talk) 16:05, July 20, 2014 (UTC)

## Bicentennial Man Reference Edit

Wadsworths Megaton Butler Joke ~ Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says, "Does this taste funny to you?"

Is from or was also in the 1999 film Bicentennial Man. Robin William's character an android named Nadrew says it at the dinner table in his first attempt at humor, it was the first joke he said in the film, available on youtube by search Bicentennial Man Jokes Scene. --FionaKraus 22:40, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

The joke predates both the game and the movie. It's just a coincidence that it appears in both.--Gothemasticator 22:43, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
So both being robotic butlers does not make it feel a bit more than just a coincidence? Thought I had a Eureka moment, oh well. --FionaKraus 02:39, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
If Bicentennial Man had originated the joke, maybe. But, as it is, it's an old joke, commonplace and ubiquitous. Really just a coincidence that two robots used it.--Gothemasticator 02:55, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
Maybe it's a reference to the book by Ray Owens. Great read, BTW. You should read it if you can get your hands on it. (no I'm not seriously suggesting that it's a reference to that book). --Kris 03:29, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

## The Ninth Circle Edit

A reference to Dante Alighieri's poem "Divine Comedy" where hell is divided up into 9 circles each standing for one specific sinners. The Ninth Circle is for those commiting treachery. --Vmuc17 19:22, January 3, 2011 (UTC)vmuc17

I just went on a limb and typed up Megadeth on here, and wa-la! I found an article with it. My favorite band referenced into my favorite game. Awesome!

## Pittsburgh Edit

Everett the NPC whom you turn in steel ingots into is possibly named after the city of Everett a city in western Pennsylvania.

I also so a lot of references menthioned in the pitt article and not hear like the color scheme of the tribal/ashur's power armeor, and a reference to the steelers football team[though it could possibly be a parellel reference because of the steeler's using this name as a reference also.

## Interplay Reference?Edit

Has no one else noticed the atom on top of the Church of the Children of Atom looks like the Interplay logo? It has a rocket on it behind the big atom, and looks a lot like the logo... I'm surprised it hasn't been added yet? 74.197.22.29 07:45, June 23, 2011 (UTC)Rainoo

## The Bible Edit

Why is there only one reference to the bible on this page, just off the top of my head I know that a lot of the main quests in fallout 3 are references bible stories. Would someone mind adding these references? NickSquared 07:39, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Unless you can prove that there's a direct, incontrovertible relation between a Bible parable/story and something in Fallout 3, don't bother adding it. The Bible's stories are pretty generic, so anything can be construed as a reference. Tagaziel (call!) 10:21, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

## Wind and Kidd Edit

Wind and Kidd are not Diamonds Are Forever movie character, but book characters from the novel the film is based on.

94.236.128.215 19:21, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

## Virus/Fires Edit

I believe the line is based on an American PSA "Only you can stop forest fires" fronted by "Smokey the bear". in this context virus doesnt seem to make a lot of sense. Agent c (talk) 13:31, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

There is already a section on this on this very page where it is agreed on it being fires. Hugs "Say 'ello to my little friend!"

## Command and Conquer Reference?Edit

Alright, the strategy gamer in me squeed so hard when I heard Benjamin Montgomery said "I got a present for ya, Commie!" Becuase, that is a line similar to the commando from Command and Conquer, and variation of the line has been used in most of the games, some of which involve fighting Soviets. So... would this count as a cultural reference? Tbguy1992 16:29, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

## Chrysler + General Motors Edit

In the Chrysler section it says "Chryslus Motors is a reference to Chrysler.". Do you think it might be a play on Chrysler and General Motors, as they were, I think, the two largest car companies in America at the time.

Could it be that they merged together in the Fallout Universe?

--804R193.156.161.253 10:55, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

## Escape from New York Edit

I always thought a lot of stuff from "The Pitt" was a reference to Escape from NY. The guy who takes you to Pittsburgh wears an eyepatch like the movies protagonist Snake Plissken. The only way in and out of Pittsburgh is a bridge full of broken down cars and landmines, exactly like in Escape from New York. Also there's that arena fight scene, but that might be coincidental because it's not too simillar.

## Jerry Springer Edit

Why is the Jerry Springer reference by the Gary clones being taken down?

Because it is seen as being very generic and not specific to the Jerry Springer Show. For example a similar chant can be heard in Animal House (Toga! Toga! Toga!) Richie9999 (talk) 23:15, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

## A Boy and his Dog Edit

In "A Boy and his Dog" the dog, Blood, often calls his boy, Vic,"Albert". Blood finds this funny, while Vic is annoyed by it.

This is similar to how the man encased in the tree in Oasis calls the tree "Herbert" a lot out of amusement.

## A couple of issues here Edit

Only a couple here that seem to be reaching - unless someone's got more evidence that these are actually references, they should be sent back to "Reachville" where they belong.

Monroeville is a real town, located only 15 miles away from Pittsburgh (i.e. The Pitt). Unless there's a quote from the film saying that exact line ("from here to Monroeville"), just mentioning a nearby town doesn't make it a reference.

### Music Man, TheEdit

Unless he said, specifically "Trouble, right here in Rivet City!", it's too general of a comment to be a specific reference. Just because it's the first thing you thought of when you heard it, doesn't make it a reference. Digital Utopia (talk) 16:11, July 20, 2014 (UTC)

## Possible Firefly ReferenceEdit

This looks to me like a reference, but it could be a crazy unlikely coincidence. At the end of Mothership Zeta DLC, the silhouette of the flaming wreckage of the enemy ship looks identical to the silhouette of Serenity from the show Firefly (and the movie Serenity). Here's the pic:

Compared to Serenity:

Dragonfiremalus (talk) 21:42, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

## Rosie the Riveter/Wendy the Welder Edit

I think one will find that there was actually a cultural icon by the name of Wendy the Welder during WWII, a counterpart to Rosie. It seems more likely that she would be the one being referenced, rather than the game developers just happening to have given the hairstyle the same name to copy the pattern of alliteration used in Rosie the Riveter's name. Therefore, perhaps, the section titled Rosie the Riveter should be changed to compliment the true origin of the hairstyle reference, rather than giving the credit incorrectly to Rosie (I would do this myself, but I don't feel very confident in my page-editing abilities).

76.183.226.196 07:03, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

## Taken Edit

During the quest "The Waters of Life", you're tasked with draining the intake pipes. After draining them, some unexpected visitors arrive. Dad, over the intercom, says "I don't know who they are or what they want". This seems like an obvious reference to Liam Neeson's famous line from the movie Taken.

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