I have negotiated with Jen Burton @ Wikia/Fandom the following settlement for dealing with Fandom-Made video for the wiki. I bring it to the community for your consideration.
- Video remains for now, but proposed replacements will be considered (small groups or individually written scripts, not a full collaborative wikiwide process).
- We can propose new additional videos (again small groups or individually written scripts, not a full collaborative wikiwide process).
- Fandom may post more videos, but the replacement process could be used
- A single appointed person would have the opportunity to comment on scripts 24hrs or so before production. This person would be appointed following this agreement being adopted.
In the meantime, whilst this vote is running, Fandom may post more video.
- Paladin117>>iff bored; 20:39, September 8, 2017 (UTC) It's better than nothing.
- WARRIOR 6961 (talk) 20:42, September 8, 2017 (UTC) It could work but seems like a lot of soft language that will just end up resulting in fandom steamrolling anyone in the way. --
- JBour53 I see potential in this. Not quite what we were looking for though. Oh and please note that if this doesn't quite live up to our standards then people will do as formerly mentioned and leave. I see people doing this in response to your currently proposed solution as well.
- Preston Freaking Garvey (talk)
- NukaTurtle (talk) 20:42, September 8, 2017 (UTC) Considering the near-vehement refusal to cooperate earlier, this proposition seems like a very weak attempt at keeping things under their control. And the list is only a bunch of "can", "may" and "opportunity". Which still looks like we don't have a say in Fandom/Wikia's plans.
- 寧靜 20:45, September 8, 2017 (UTC) I'm sorry, but I know blatant sweeping under the rug when I see it. If they want to earn this community's trust, then they need to do a lot more than provide such a weak solution that they give no promises on even upholding, especially after the disgraceful E-Mails that you shared with us on the prior forum.
- StormRider71 (talk) 21:00, September 8, 2017 (UTC) Chad, I appreciate the effort you've put into this with trying to reach an amicable agreement, but the word "considered" scares the hell out of me. Considered by who? Us? Them? I've been on both sides of "considered" and in a nutshell it means "Good effort but we are going to do it our way regardless of how you feel...but thank you for wasting your time." Same with anything we might propose; odds are 20:1 it will be shot down. My feeling is if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Hundreds of thousands if not millions haved viewed, used, and edited the wiki over the years. Why do we suddenly need video? Simple answer: we don't.
- Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 21:15, September 8, 2017 (UTC) I am the same mind as StormRider here, Its an offer to talk to, but ultimately ignore us if they so wish. With the contempt they have already shown us, I cannot in good faith trust them on anything less than affirmatives.
- Chris 21:21, September 8, 2017 (UTC) Wikia staff have shown they do not care about their contributors. They have lied to you before, Chad, and they have lied to us all. The videos cause a page to load slowly on lower end computers like mine. Wikia may give us what we want at the end of this, but it's only a matter of time before they betray us again. -
- Rotting apple (talk) 21:25, September 8, 2017 (UTC) I agree with the statements made by many casting no. I fear with the way they had initially promised similar options for us, only to not keep their word that history will repeat itself. I know so much hard work by Agent C and others have gone into getting us this offer, and thank you all for that, but I'm worried it's another lie in attempt to placate us. --
- Yodamort (talk) 21:22, September 8, 2017 (UTC) They've already shown they don't care. Either we get our way entirely on the videos or they have gotten their way when they don't deserve it.
- Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 21:37, September 8, 2017 (UTC) These words sound emptier than a vacuum -
- Great Mara (talk) 22:05, September 8, 2017 (UTC) Wikia continues to push this crap despite all the negative feedback telling them how much of a bad idea it is. As usual.
- 22:09, September 8, 2017 (UTC) It's so hard for me to acquiesce with such an intrusive, irrelevant feature. This is the kind of Web 2.* marketing garbage that I actively oppose in my professional career, so I certainly can't support it here. There are much better ways to go about it that can give them a boost in the "video market" that don't intrude on our carefully built article content. Chad I appreciate the position you've taken and the attempt to arrive at some kind of resolution, but I don't want it on record that I agree with the settlement, because I don't, and I don't think you do either. But again, I understand it. --
- Soviet (talk) That was a pile of bullshit. They promised nothing. I don't mind if it's a group or individual that represents the community in this process, but raising a user or group of users above the community, only to join Fandom in this farce will clearly cause division. Until they promise something concrete, I suggest disregarding everything they say.
- NomadMC (talk) 23:05, September 8, 2017 (UTC) The end of Nukapedia is nigh. Too little too late, Fandom.
- AllYourFavorites (talk) 23:13, September 8, 2017 (UTC) I appreciate that you've gone great lengths to represent us and get us to this point, but Fandom's response to those strides is more than unacceptable. The first point is probably the scariest, seeing as how it implies that Fandom can flat out deny our requests for replacements, no matter how unprofessional and/or politically charged the material is. Language like "propose" and "can" are terribly shifty, and give far too little room for us to make decisions for ourselves. The fourth point only lets the appointed representative "comment" on videos, like we're just random YouTube users. Unfortunately, I think this give us little to no room in making decisions -- despite being the group with godawful material forced down our throats.
- 22.214.171.124User:the wandering mercenary; for the craic
- The Courier NCR for life (talk) 23:31, September 8, 2017 (UTC) C, while I appreciate the amount of work and time you've put into trying to reach a deal between us and fandom, this does not seem like a good deal at all for us. It honestly seems like Fandom is trying to keep themselves in control. "Proposed replacements will be CONSIDERED Considered. No promises. We can PROPOSE new additional videos. (Who makes these videos? Us or them?). "FANDOM posts more videos, but the replacement process may be used." I doubt their new videos will be any better than the ones they already put on. "A single appointed person would have the opportunity to comment on scripts 24 hours or so before production." What power does this person have? do they just spit recommendations at Fandom, and if we're lucky they'll listen to them, if not they'll do whatever they want? If Fandom knew what was really on the table for the options that we have right now, they would just give us full control of video and let the entire matter be put to rest.--
- Breakin'Benny (talk) 23:47, September 8, 2017 (UTC) I simply put do not agree with these poor-quality videos being forcefully added to Nukapedia articles, because they are more or less a distraction that offers little to the people who simply want to read the pages. --
- 123123abcabc (talk) 21:04, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
- DisgustingWastelander (talk) 21:11, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
- Jspoel 22:04, September 8, 2017 (UTC) It appears we can't stop it, so what can we do to soften the blow, so to speak. Work with Wikia in making the videos, Unfortunately, I have considerable doubts the mentioned proposals are going to work, they demand quite a bit from people here, on a steady basis, and Wikia doesn't appear to have much patience. But as the videos are now, it isn't working either.
- TheDeadZone (talk) 23:28, September 8, 2017 (UTC) I'm with Jspoel here: as the inclusion of the videos seems to be a certainty, at least let us have a (minor) say in what is, or not, included. Let us hope that, in time, they start taking our wishes and requests into consideration.
You need to be signed in to vote. I like it. Assuming things go as planned this could be a good agreement. I understand why wikia wants to add videos and I understand why a whole wiki wide made input could be overwhelming and unnecessary. Let's hope this goes well. If not then expect the former mentioned actions of people leaving the wikia to find a new similar one will happen. This is JBour53 btw. Since it never lets me sign my name appropriately.Paladin117>>iff bored; 20:39, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
Can there be a different person talking for future videos? The current guy has a monotone voice that I cannot stand, and I sincerely hope that they have someone better on their payroll. 寧靜 20:29, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure how I feel about this. Reading through the votes already casted I see many good points on both sides. Will need a short time to think about it and weigh the pros and cons before casting mine, but know I will definitely cast a vote. Rotting apple (talk) 21:10, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
I'll be blunt; this isn't a settlement. A settlement requires both sides to give in. All I see is a lot of "consider", "can propose" "may post" and so on. I've been handling legal texts for years, but I don't think I've ever seen words this empty. - Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 21:53, September 8, 2017 (UTC)