Forum:Video negotiated settlement

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I have negotiated with Jen Burton @ Wikia/Fandom the following settlement for dealing with Fandom-Made video for the wiki. I bring it to the community for your consideration.

• Video remains for now, but proposed replacements will be considered (small groups or individually written scripts, not a full collaborative wikiwide process).
• We can propose new additional videos (again small groups or individually written scripts, not a full collaborative wikiwide process).
• Fandom may post more videos, but the replacement process could be used
• A single appointed person would have the opportunity to comment on scripts 24hrs or so before production. This person would be appointed following this agreement being adopted.

In the meantime, whilst this vote is running, Fandom may post more video.

I will not be voting to preserve my negotiating position. Agent c (talk) 20:26, September 8, 2017 (UTC)

Poll finished on 8:26 pm September 15, 2017 (UTC).

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Yes

1. It's better than nothing. Paladin117^{>>iff bored;} 20:39, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
2. It could work but seems like a lot of soft language that will just end up resulting in fandom steamrolling anyone in the way. --WARRIOR 6961 (talk) 20:42, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
3. I see potential in this. Not quite what we were looking for though. Oh and please note that if this doesn't quite live up to our standards then people will do as formerly mentioned and leave. I see people doing this in response to your currently proposed solution as well. JBour53

No

1. Preston Freaking Garvey (talk)
2. Considering the near-vehement refusal to cooperate earlier, this proposition seems like a very weak attempt at keeping things under their control. And the list is only a bunch of "can", "may" and "opportunity". Which still looks like we don't have a say in Fandom/Wikia's plans. NukaTurtle (talk) 20:42, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
3. I'm sorry, but I know blatant sweeping under the rug when I see it. If they want to earn this community's trust, then they need to do a lot more than provide such a weak solution that they give no promises on even upholding, especially after the disgraceful E-Mails that you shared with us on the prior forum. ^寧靜 20:45, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
4. Chad, I appreciate the effort you've put into this with trying to reach an amicable agreement, but the word "considered" scares the hell out of me. Considered by who? Us? Them? I've been on both sides of "considered" and in a nutshell it means "Good effort but we are going to do it our way regardless of how you feel...but thank you for wasting your time." Same with anything we might propose; odds are 20:1 it will be shot down. My feeling is if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Hundreds of thousands if not millions haved viewed, used, and edited the wiki over the years. Why do we suddenly need video? Simple answer: we don't. StormRider71 (talk) 21:00, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
5. I am the same mind as StormRider here, Its an offer to talk to, but ultimately ignore us if they so wish. With the contempt they have already shown us, I cannot in good faith trust them on anything less than affirmatives. Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 21:15, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
6. Wikia staff have shown they do not care about their contributors. They have lied to you before, Chad, and they have lied to us all. The videos cause a page to load slowly on lower end computers like mine. Wikia may give us what we want at the end of this, but it's only a matter of time before they betray us again. - Chris 21:21, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
7. I agree with the statements made by many casting no. I fear with the way they had initially promised similar options for us, only to not keep their word that history will repeat itself. I know so much hard work by Agent C and others have gone into getting us this offer, and thank you all for that, but I'm worried it's another lie in attempt to placate us. --Rotting apple (talk) 21:25, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
8. They've already shown they don't care. Either we get our way entirely on the videos or they have gotten their way when they don't deserve it. Yodamort (talk) 21:22, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
9. These words sound emptier than a vacuum - ^Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 21:37, September 8, 2017 (UTC)

Neutral

1. 123123abcabc (talk) 21:04, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
2. DisgustingWastelander (talk) 21:11, September 8, 2017 (UTC)

Excluded votes

1. I like it. Assuming things go as planned this could be a good agreement. I understand why wikia wants to add videos and I understand why a whole wiki wide made input could be overwhelming and unnecessary. Let's hope this goes well. If not then expect the former mentioned actions of people leaving the wikia to find a new similar one will happen. This is JBour53 btw. Since it never lets me sign my name appropriately. You need to be signed in to vote. Paladin117^{>>iff bored;} 20:39, September 8, 2017 (UTC)

Comments

Can there be a different person talking for future videos? The current guy has a monotone voice that I cannot stand, and I sincerely hope that they have someone better on their payroll. ^寧靜 20:29, September 8, 2017 (UTC)

The narrator wasn't a part of the discussion, sorry. Agent c (talk) 20:40, September 8, 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure how I feel about this. Reading through the votes already casted I see many good points on both sides. Will need a short time to think about it and weigh the pros and cons before casting mine, but know I will definitely cast a vote. Rotting apple (talk) 21:10, September 8, 2017 (UTC)