Forum:Policy Vote Rights Request Requirement Changes

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After 5 weeks of discussion we've come to a solid set of new requirements for right requests proposals. I don't really have much of an introductory statement to this proposal, you've all heard my thoughts on everything and I think we've arrived at a fair set of new requirements for special rights users from the bottom up. This forum will propose those changes as official policy. Thank you to everyone who provided input, this is our first step towards a more unified community.

The previous discussions can be found here and here.

I believe that some of these proposed requirement changes will make some of the current staff fall below the requisite requirements. As a result, I will add a final proposal which will stipulate that persons who are or were staff on or before the end date of this proposal vote will not have their rights removed if they do not meet the new requirements.---bleep196- (talk) 18:20, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Edit: At the request of Leon, I have placed a temporary lock on the vote in order to incoporate policies related to the New User Network. When the page is unlocked, the poll timer will be reset.

Edit Edit: The page has been unlocked for voting once more.

Poll finished on 7:56 pm May 31, 2019 (UTC).

• A consensus must be reached by voting before any action is taken.
• You can vote by placing one of the following lines in the appropriate section:
  • Use # {{yes}} ~~~~ if you support the proposal.
  • Use # {{no}} ~~~~ if you are against the proposal.
  • Use # {{neutral}} ~~~~ if you wish to abstain.
• Please do not edit other user's votes.

Patroller

Current Standards

“The minimum requirements for becoming a patroller are:

• You've made at least 250 edits in the article, category, module or template namespace (i.e. talk page, blog and forum contributions do not count).
• You have been continuously active at this wiki for at least one month.
• If you have been previously elected Chat Moderator, you have held the position of Chat Moderator for a minimum of two months.”

Proposed Requirement Changes

The "minimum" requirements for becoming a patroller are:

• You've made at least 750 edits in the article, category, module, or template namespace (i.e. talk page, blog and forum contributions do not count).
• You have been continuously active at this wiki for at least one month.
• If you have been previously elected Chat moderator, you have held the position of Chat Moderator for a minimum of two months.
• You have displayed a thorough understanding of and mastery of the basic editing tools.
  • This includes the ability to help other users who may have questions in regards to editing.

No

1. 250 edits is plenty for a patroller. See also the comments the last time this was proposed and rejected. Aya42 (talk) 18:52, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
2. Patroller only gives minimalistic rights, and I feel that there are better ways to award the rights to aspiring editors. ^寧靜 20:10, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Chat Moderator

Current Standards

“The minimum requirements for becoming a chat moderator are:

• You've made at least 100 edits, and at least 50 of these must be in the article, category, module or template namespace (i.e. talk page, blog and forum contributions do not count for these set 50).
• You have been endorsed by at least one active administrator, moderator or chat moderator (see Making the request below).
• You have been continuously active at this wiki, and in this wiki’s chat, for at least two months.
• You have not been site-blocked or chat-banned for a period of at least three months.
• If you have been previously appointed patroller, you have held patroller rights for a minimum of two months.”

Proposed Requirement Changes

The minimum requirements for becoming a chat moderator are:

• You've made at least 250 edits in the article, category, module, template, forum, talkpage, or blog namespaces.
  • You display a basic understanding of the editing tools, and can help users with editing questions should they have them.
• You've created 5000 posts within any of the channels within the discord.
  • You've displayed mastery of discord's interface and tools through interactions with others.
• You have been endorsed by at least one active administrator, moderator or chat moderator (see Making the request below).
• You have been continuously active at this wiki, and in this wiki’s chat, for at least two months.
• You have not been site-blocked or chat-banned for a period of at least three months.
• If you have been previously appointed patroller, you have held patroller rights for a minimum of two months.

No

1. Chat Moderators do not need to understand other aspects of the wiki outside of their comfort zone, as their position is a rather specific one. In the case of users under their medium seeking help outside of the chat, Chat Moderators should already be well aware of the Administration tab on the wiki, and who to point them towards. ^寧靜 20:10, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Moderator

Proposal

Remove the role in its entirety, and allow "moderators" to request content moderator rights.

Yes

1. Aya42 (talk) 18:54, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
2. ^寧靜 20:10, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Content Moderator

Current Standards

“The minimum requirements for becoming a content moderator are:

• You have made at least 1000 edits in the article, category, module or template namespace (i.e. talk page, blog and forum contributions do not count).
• You have been continuously active at this wiki for at least three months.
• You have not made a failed Content Moderator request in the past two months. This does not include requests which were closed because you did not meet the formal requirements.
• You have held the position of patroller, or combined position of patroller/moderator, for a minimum of two months.
• You have not been site-blocked or chat-banned for a period of at least three months.
• You do not currently hold Discussions Moderator rights.”

Proposed Requirement Changes

The minimum requirements for becoming a content moderator are:

• You have made at least 2000 edits in the article, category, module or template namespace (i.e. talk page, blog and forum contributions do not count).
  • You display a thorough mastery of basic and advanced editing tools, as well as substantial experience utilizing templates.
  • You must be able and/or willing to answer editing questions if brought forward.
• You have been continuously active at this wiki for at least three months.
• You have not made a failed Content Moderator request in the past two months. This does not include requests which were closed because you did not meet the formal requirements.
• You have held the position of patroller, or combined position of patroller/moderator(Either removed or renamed), for a minimum of two months.
• You have not been site-blocked or chat-banned for a period of at least three months.
• You do not currently hold Discussions Moderator rights.
  • Individuals holding discussions moderator rights that are seeking content moderator rights should apply for administrator given the overlap between the rights groups permissions.

No

1. 1000 edits is plenty. Aya42 (talk) 18:57, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
2. My thoughts are entirely identical on this front to my Patroller point. ^寧靜 20:10, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Discussions Moderator

Current Standards

“To be given the Discussions moderator toolset for use on the discussion forums, a user must meet the following requirements.

• You must have made at least 2000 discussions posts.
• Be active on the Discussion Boards for a period of at least 2 months.
• Have an endorsement from an active Discussion Moderator, Administrator, or Bureaucrat confirming that the user is a regular user of the boards, and has a record of good behavior.
• Any ban blocks the user from applying for this role for a period of 3 months following the end of the ban.
• If you have been appointed to another position previously, you must have held it for at least 2 months.
• You must not hold the position of "Content Moderator".”

Proposed Requirement Changes

To be given the Discussions moderator toolset for use on the discussion forums, a user must meet the following requirements.

• You must have made 2500 discussions posts.
  • You must display complete mastery of all discussions functions.
• You've made at least 250 edits in the article, category, module, template, forum, talkpage, or blog namespaces.
  • You must display a basic understanding of editing functions, and be able to answer simple editing questions should they arise.
• Be active on the Discussion Boards for a period of at least 2 months.
• Have an endorsement from an active Discussion Moderator, Administrator, or Bureaucrat confirming that the user is a regular user of the boards, and has a record of good behavior.
• Any ban blocks the user from applying for this role for a period of 3 months following the end of the ban.
• If you have been appointed to another position previously, you must have held it for at least 2 months.
• You must not hold the position of "Content Moderator".
  • Due to permissions held by content moderator, discussions moderator meeting the prerequisites for the former are encouraged to apply for administrator rights.

No

1. I feel that the edit count is still too steep and it worries me that there was a lack of input from /d members in the discussion process, and those are who this affects the most --Laat the Survivor (talk) 18:28, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
2. My point is entirely identical to the one I used for the Chat Moderator proposal. ^寧靜 20:10, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Administrator

Current Standards

“The minimum requirements for becoming an administrator are:

• You have made at least 2000 edits in the article, category, module or template namespace (i.e. talk page, blog and forum contributions do not count).
• You have been continuously active at this wiki for at least three months.
• You have not made a failed administrator request in the past two months. This does not include requests which were closed because you did not meet the formal requirements.
• You have held the position of patroller, or combined position of patroller/moderator, for a minimum of two months.
• You have not been site-blocked or chat-banned for a period of at least three months.”

Proposed Requirement Changes

The minimum requirements for becoming an administrator are:

• You have made at least 5000 edits in the article, category, module or template namespace (i.e. talk page, blog and forum contributions do not count).
  • OR if community focused, You have made at least 5000 discussion posts OR at least 10,000 discord posts.
  • Most Administrators are expected to display complete mastery of all facets of editing, and at least minimal understanding of backed functions.
• You have made at least 1000 discussion posts or You have made at least 2000 discord posts.
  • OR if community focused you have made at least 2000 edits in the article, category, module or template namespace (i.e. talk page, blog and forum contributions do not count) and display thorough understanding and mastery of basic and advanced editing.
• You have been continuously active at this wiki for at least one year.
• You have not made a failed administrator request in the past two months. This does not include requests which were closed because you did not meet the formal requirements.
• You have held the position of patroller, or combined position of patroller/chat moderator, for a minimum of two months.
• You have not been site-blocked or chat-banned for a period of at least three months.
• Particularly talented tech-minded individuals may circumvent the community requirements IF and only IF they demonstrate a proficiency with skill(s) that are desperately needed, or so rarely seen that not promoting them would be a net loss. These individuals must still meet the other expectations of an administrator as per wiki policies, and must still serve as leaders of the community when necessary.
  • For example: Java and CSS proficiency. Possession and mastery of a bot through which large scale editing projects may be conducted. Proficiency and understanding of templates.

No

1. Wiki administrators should not be required to use discussions or chat. Why would you want to change the requirements such that solid wiki contributors like Jspoel would not qualify for this position? Aya42 (talk) 19:21, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
2. Once the Administrator and Bureaucrat roles are being sought, these sorts of prerequisites become more and more meaningless, as anyone can spam contributions without actually showing skill. I believe that there should be prerequisites, but they shouldn't be expounded upon by artificially raising the difficulty of gaining the rights, without necessarily focusing on the user's skill as a leader. ^寧靜 20:10, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Comments

I feel it important to note that users like Jspoel already qualify for the technically minded administrator clause due to their sheer knowledge and proficiency with the templates. ---bleep196- (talk) 19:45, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

"Particularly talented tech-minded individuals..." is too vague for a policy document. Criteria such as "must have 2000 edits" are black and white, you either have them or not, but who's to decide who's "particularly talented" or not? Aya42 (talk) 20:10, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Bureaucrat

Current Standards

Unwritten, based on previous unspoken standards.

Proposed Requirement Changes

The minimum requirements for becoming an Bureaucrat are:

• Having previously held the position of Administrator for no less than six months.
• Having displayed an acute understanding of all facets of editing, all functions of the discussions board, and all aspects of the discord server and the community.
• Having displayed exemplary leadership skills and astute understanding of their role as an administrator.
• Possession of Administrator rights at time of application.
• In the event that there are 1 (one) or less active Bureaucrats, the community or active staff may elevate one or more users they feel will successfully carry out the role of Bureaucrat, regardless of whether they currently meet the base requirements.

Yes

1. Aya42 (talk) 19:59, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
2. ^寧靜 20:10, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Retroactive Clause

Individuals holding staff positions at the conclusion of the poll will not be subject to automatic removal of rights for failure to meet the new baseline requirements. They will be allowed sufficient time as is reasonable to accumulate the necessary edits and posts by which to meet the requisite minimums.

Yes

1. The community already voted them in, so they have the right to stay regardless of policy changes. If the community feels as if an existing rights-holder should be held to a higher standard, then that is what reconfirmation requests are for. ^寧靜 20:10, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

No

1. This will just encourage spamming, and something as vague as "sufficient time as is reasonable" has no place in a policy document. Aya42 (talk) 20:03, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Comments

It's unclear what this clause means. I assumed voting "yes" means that existing rights holders would have to do attempt to meet the new criteria, and "no" meant they didn't. Aya42 (talk) 20:14, May 17, 2019 (UTC)