I've started this proposal to discuss the deletion of the Lionheart pages, as well as pages that have similar attributes to Fallout, but are NOT Fallout. While these pages do share info such as that Lionheart shares the SPECIAL system, and we have quite a few pages for different traits/perks in Lionheart. I don't feel any Lionheart related page should exist here. As this is the Fallout Wikia, not the SPECIAL Wikia. Those pages being here is like the COD wikia mentioning Halo because they are both FPS.
On top of that, not all but most people, won't think to come to Nukapedia for Lionheart info.
I'm not referring to the countries forum we have going currently.
Abstractacas (talk) 16:41, September 1, 2015 (UTC)
In regards to Nukapedia, the reason for covering LIONHEART is now a dead ideal. Most users that are currently active here, refuse to even entertain the idea of covering other content relevant to Fallout, such as seen with Wasteland; so, why bother covering LIONHEART here, all because it utilizes the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system?
I have been hoping that one day the community here would shift towards a more tolerant approach, considering external games that are not 100% Fallout. But it has now been years - maybe in the future, with a new community in place, these subjects can be brought up again for proper discussion.
So for now, I am entirely neutral. With Nukapedia's current ideology, there is really no point in keeping these articles. But at the same time, maybe one day Nukapedia will once again embrace the vision that Ausir had for this wiki. I would actually recommend finding some way to archive these articles, instead of outright deleting them, to be considerate towards future generations. User:Sarkhan the Sojourner 16:47, September 1, 2015 (UTC)
Scrap 'em, end of. Kern
Hallowed are the Ori 16:48, September 1, 2015 (UTC)
No. This wiki is about two things the Fallout series and the SPECIAL system. We do not cover all of Lionheart or other SPECIAL system games for that matter, only the content relevant to the SPECIAL system. I object to the proposed deletion as it is allowed under the content policy and is indeed made relevant by our content policy in regards to SPECIAL. The comparison of COD and Halo is particularly inept as the similarities are radically different. SPECIAL was an in-house system created by Interplay for the first Fallout game after their plans to use GURPS fell through. The SPECIAL system is unique to the Fallout franchise and three games created by Interplay. I feel that the Lionheart pages, as well as the pages for Torn should stay. If you wish to remove them, then propose the relevant policy change first.Richie9999 (talk) 17:07, September 1, 2015 (UTC)
- agree with everything richie said
Hawk da Barber 2013 - BSHU Graduate 17:56, September 1, 2015 (UTC) - Allow me to make a better example. It would be like putting Star Wars: Battlefront on the Battlefield Wiki because they both utilize the Frostbite engine. The similarities end there. I have wondered in the past why we have pages pertaining to Lionheart and TORN. There is no reason for these pages, and I think they ought to go. Sigmund Fraud (Talk) 18:01, September 1, 2015 (UTC)
- This is just enforced by the policy. Either change the policy or leave the pages as they are. ☢ Energy X ☣ 18:09, September 1, 2015 (UTC)
I agree 100% with Richie, and he has stated the case better than I can. Agent c (talk) 20:09, September 1, 2015 (UTC)
Let's just change the policy then, I see no reason why the Fallout wiki should cover a game that has absolutely nothing to do with the franchise besides being made by the same developers and employing a similar gameplay system. I don't understand why SPECIAL needs to counted as an exception since it's far from the only major gameplay aspect that has caried across games made by the same developer. I don't see why they can't just have their own wikis, especially since that's what happened with Wasteland. 
BOLTMAN FOREVER 20:33, September 1, 2015 (UTC)
Wasteland didn't use the special system, nor the same engine, nor the same continuity. The only link is at one early point in Fallout's development there was hope to make a WL sequel, but the rights didn't lie with Interplay. That to me is a distinct situation from TORN / Lionheart, which are true siblings to Fallout in Engine and rules system. Agent c (talk) 20:38, September 1, 2015 (UTC)
- Ok, so what about the Elder Scrolls since they're both made by Bethesda, both use the same engine, and both have similar gameplay? Or how about games like Chivalry that literally started off as a Hal-life mod? Just because it re-uses the basic skill system doesn't seem enough to warrant coverage of that particular aspect.
BOLTMAN FOREVER 21:28, September 1, 2015 (UTC)
I do not believe the SPECIAL system is inherently Fallout enough to justify the coverage of games that might utilize the system. A brief mention of games that utilize the system is more ideal on our article dedicated to the SPECIAL than as it stands.
As to how to accomplish the deletions, the removal of the clause to the policy that necessitates coverage of games that utilize the SPECIAL system is required. The policy is, as I understand it, thus:
I believe to reflect the proposed changes, that it should read:
I acknowledge my omission of, "... its setting..." as I'm not confident it's required for our purposes, though I'm not exactly privy to examples to the contrary. In any case, the omission of, "... or the SPECIAL character system." is the more important one and I believe it optimally accomplishes what this forum seeks. --The Ever Ruler (talk) 15:56, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
RE: movement to discussion forum
To be a stickler for procedure I've gone ahead and moved this forum to a discussion one after requesting administrator JASPER42, while in chat, to move it and him replying it was under any user's power to move a forum. The interpretation for said procedure stems from as follows:
While it does not specify just how long a forum topic must be discussed to be considered to have completed the discussion process before going to a vote, I believe at least a week is the typical length. --The Ever Ruler (talk) 15:56, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
I see. Ok, I understand what you meant Richie about,the policy stating info about the SPECIAL system as well. But this wiki is called, Nukapedia, The Fallout Wiki. Not, Nukapedia, The Fallout/Lionheart/TORN/other games that implement the SPECIAL system. I have to agree with Ever that a simple policy change would be the best option. And please forgive me guys for starting this in the proposals section. Abstractacas (talk) 21:26, September 2, 2015 (UTC)