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Background

This vote is to vote upon what to do about the situation of pages in the "pre-war country" category.

The following is a list of the "Countries mentioned" list. Those with pages are linked below.

  • Australia (no page created yet)
  • Austria
  • Belgium
  • Canada]]
  • China
  • Denmark (no page created yet)
  • Egypt (no page created yet)
  • Finland
  • France
  • Germany
  • Greece
  • India
  • Ireland
  • Israel
  • Italy
  • Japan
  • Mexico
  • Mongolia
  • Poland (no page created yet)
  • Romania
  • Soviet Union
  • Spain (no page created yet)
  • Sweden (no page created yet)
  • Switzerland
  • Taiwan
  • Ukraine (no page created yet)
  • United Kingdom
  • United States of America

Discussion on this topic is contained here.

Current status

There are no specific rules or policies that currently apply to creating pages of this type. However, our general content policies do apply. Inclusive and relevant to this discussion are the following:

Selected items from Content Policy
  • All content should relate to the Fallout series of games, its setting or the SPECIAL character system.
  • All content needs to be accurate. Fallout Wiki aims to provide reliable information. In particular, adding speculation and own inventions (fan fiction, fan art etc.) to articles should be avoided.
  • All content needs to be verifiable. Other editors need to be able to check and verify it.
  • All content needs to be informative. Information which is only of interest to the writer or to other editors (as opposed to readers) should not be included in articles.
  • All content needs to relate to the games as delivered by the developers; user modifications are not covered by this wiki.
Content Organisation and categorisation policy
  • Strength of an article: Every article should be "strong" enough to stand on its own. This means the subject provides enough content to write an article of decent length about it.

The proposals and poll

Rather than look at each individual page and decide separately (and thus need consensus on each one), this vote will set a standard that can be applied now and into the future, including on current pages. If we agree a standard, pages which don't meet it can be deleted.

If there is any debate whether a page meets the standard or not, consenus should be obtained on that page's talk page in the usual way.

Proposal 1 - No change

Under this proposal, There will be no changes made to the policies at all. No specific country requirements will be made, nor any further guidance on how the existing rules apply.

Vote HERE for option 1 only

  1. Yes "Space. The final frontier." ~The-Artist-64 (talk) 22:56, July 24, 2015 (UTC)The-Artist-64
  2. Yes - Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 23:06, July 24, 2015 (UTC)

Proposal 2 - Primary referencing only

Under this proposal the following will be added into content creation policy at an appropriate point:

Pages for countries/nation states can be created where a Fallout game has been based within the boundaries of that entity (in either the normal, or Fallout universe); this includes released and unreleased games regardless of canon status.

Pages for countries can also be created where the country has a significant place in the Fallout Lore. This includes Intro videos/cut scenes, supplementary materials, and the Fallout Bibles.

The page should contain information on that country, as it is known to exist in the Fallout universe only. If a character or item does not offer any insight to that location's representation in the Fallout universe, it is irrelevant and should not be included.

These rules are subject to the general guideline that all articles need to be "strong" enough to stand on their own, meaning there is enough content to justify their existence.

TLDR: Basically, if something tells us about a country, it can be included. Accent, words and names that sound like they're from there, and mentioning that people/items have a national origin is not relevant unless it speaks to how that country is in the Fallout world.

Vote HERE for option 2 only

  1. Yes Shining-Armor (talk) 22:15, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
  2. Yes All other content related to other countries accounted for in the Extended Primary proposal should be put on a relevent related page and not given their own page Lord Onions: Dat Onion Ring Luvin Fox! (Talk) 22:54, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
  3. Bldudas (talk) 11:58, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

Proposal 3 - Expanded Primary referencing

Under this proposal the following will be added into content creation policy at an appropriate point:

Pages for countries/nation states can be created where a Fallout game has been based within the boundaries of that entity (in either the normal, or Fallout universe); this includes released and unreleased games regardless of canon status.

Pages for countries can also be created where the country has a significant place in the Fallout Lore. This includes Intro videos/cut scenes, supplementary materials, and the Fallout Bibles.

Pages can also be created if a character present in a Fallout game claims to be from there, or a character references that location. This page should contain in game content referencing that character.

The page should contain information on that country, as it is known to exist in the Fallout universe. It may also contain information of characters from that location, or whom discuss the location without offering any real insight into the place.

Using a language or accent common to the place does not merit inclusion on a page in its own right; neither does an ancestral link or name/world entymology justify a page.

Items that may trace their origin to that location should only be listed if that object provides insight on the location's representation in the Fallout universe.

These rules are subject to the general guideline that all articles need to be "strong" enough to stand on their own, meaning there is enough content to justify their existence.


TLDR: Basically, if something tells us about a country, it can be included. Accent, words and names that sound like they're from there, and mentioning that items have a national origin is not relevant unless it speaks to how that country is in the Fallout world. We can however list people that come from a particular place.

Vote HERE for proposal 3

  1. Agent c (talk) 22:12, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
  2. DrippyGump(talk) 22:15, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
  3. Paladin117>>iff bored; 22:18, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
  4. KernOrisymbol.pngHallowed are the Ori 22:59, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
  5. Clockpuncher (talk) 23:59, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
  6. --Skire (talk) 00:21, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
  7.  The Gunny  UserGunny chevrons.png 01:04, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
  8. The Wasteland Major League Man (talk) 11:55, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
  9. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard.png 12:57, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
  10. I believe characters having background information pertaining to nations/countries warrants a mention on the respective article(s). --The Ever Ruler (talk) 00:37, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
  11. Legionaire47
    02:46, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
  12. based Detroit lions.jpg Hawk da Barber 2013 - BSHU Graduate 02:51, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
  13. MjaxMajoran (talk) --MjaxMajoran (talk) 03:50, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
  14. Richie9999 (talk) 16:12, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
  15. Yes After reading other users' opinions, here's my vote. ☢ Energy X ☣ 21:21, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
  16. Fashionably late. -- MHsig.png Watch in awe! 14:08, July 30, 2015 (UTC)

Comments

Just to clarify, what is the difference between 2 and 3? It says "We can however list people that come from a particular place." so does that refer to on a country page (al la Ireland for Moriarty) or on the character's page itself? The former lands us in the similar situation to what we are already in. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard.png 13:00, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

On both Option 2, and Option 3, there would need to be enough information to justify the existence of a page with information about the place before the page could be created.
On Option 3, if that above standard had been met, then on the UK page we could list Tenpenny, Dave from Canada could be listed on the Canada page, etc. This would not be permitted on Option 2.
Just to be clear, a pure roll-call of characters does not justify the existence of a country page even on option 3.
Objects being from there are always irrelevant to the country page (See the massive number on the India page). But it would be notable on the object page.
In no case is an ancestral link (Finland) or a word being from there (Greece) acceptable justification for a page or notable on the country page.
Agent c (talk) 13:31, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
Sounds perfect to me. Thanks. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard.png 13:37, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

Result

Option 3 is passed. Pages not meeting this standard may now be deleted. Agent c (talk) 02:42, August 2, 2015 (UTC)




Policy vote forum overview
PolicyContent policy
Amendment 1General/specific rule & BTS speculation · Vote · 30 December 2014 · 11-1-0; 9-3-1
Amendment 2Countries articles standard · Discussion · Vote · 2 August 2015 · 16-3-2
Amendment 3Attribution · Vote · 27 August 2015 · 13-0-0
Amendment 4Creation Club content · Vote · 25 September 2017 · 23-3-0
Amendment 5Creation Club article placement · Vote · 25 October 2017 · 15-5
Amendment 6Creation Club on mainspace · Discussion · Vote · 20 March 2018 · 15-5-2
Amendment 7Deleting Torn and Lionheart · Vote · 7 June 2020 · 12-0-0
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