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Yes, again.

Hello.

I am Zealous Champion, or Zeal. Following my previous application being invalidated due to complications regarding requirements not being up to date, and therefore ineligible, I return having met the requirements (5000 discord posts). Many of you will already know me, and my previous application is archived and still available to read, so I shall keep this short.

With the changes to the Discord server, as well as a small influx of new members coinciding with 76's Wastelanders update, I would like to assist with the moderation of our Discord server. I have spent time as a trial moderator as well as being an active and attentive member. I am familiar with the tools and active most of the day and easily reachable.

If you have any questions, concerns or otherwise; please message me on Discord, or type a message in the comments of this post.

Thank you. Zealous Champion (talk) 09:06, May 6, 2020 (UTC)

Statement regarding concerns brought forward

I have been watching this vote closely and I understand some of the concerns brought forth by some members. I would like to make this small edit to address these, and hopefully inform anyone unaware of these issues.

1: Bias. I have very strong political opinions, and some users are concerned that I might misuse my powers in regards to opposing opinions. I would like to point towards my tenure as a trial moderator, where I was very lenient with using the tools, primarily discussing things with members and (to the best of my knowledge) I didn't have to use the admin tools once. In regards to active political discussion within the chat, my position would require me to take a back seat in all discussions and watch to make sure things stay civil. If anything, this is a very good way to get me to shut my gob.

2: We already have staff. This is a valid concern and one I understand. Currently, staff do a very good job concerning fast responses to incidents in the chat. My envisioned role would be monitoring for hate speech (something the server has been plagued with ever since the first time I joined), being active during off-peak times, as I live in a different time zone to most current staff and to be an approcable, friendly face that users can feel comfortable talking to. For privacy and security reasons, I can not directly state anything, however staff will remember that I solely responded to an incident regarding a user's mental health. This user thanked me a few weeks afterwards for being there and caring, and I feel that this is something that I can truly bring to the table.

3: The SNM incident. Concerns around this confuse me, as this happened a fair while ago. For those unaware, I was a member of Garoux/Leon's Discord server; Strategic Nuclear Moose. During my time there, I took great issue with two users. These two were perma-banned users of the wiki, whom's identity is no secret. These users would post racist, anti-semitic and neo-nazi content in that server with no warnings or repercussions from the admins (that I am aware of). Multiple conversations with the staff showed no intent to curb their behavior and I grew rather jaded.

I of course have a life outside of the community and during this time, I would discuss the events transpiring with my partner. I would inform them of the content posted, etc. One day, users in the chat visited my Twitter profile and decided to check my partner's Twitter, which I have linked in my bio. As they are a rather shy sort, I took a screenshot to warn them that these users were looking through their profile, and to give them a heads-up regarding unexpected messages. They then posted this picture, calling users in the channel "white supremacists". One of their mutuals asked what I would be doing in a server with those sorts, and I attempted to explain that I was trying to make sure anything they said went unchallenged.

I liked the server and many of the people there, many of whom are still active here. However due to an ill worded tweet and these users monitoring my partner's Twitter and my own, it quickly blew out of proportion, ending with me leaving SNM, not to return and my partner privating their Twitter, in fear of being stalked. Soon afterwards I sent a better thought out message to Leon, apologizing and summarizing my experience.

As many of you will be aware, I collected screenshots during this time that I am willing to share. With certain user's permission, I am also willing to share the DMs regarding this incident, too.

I hope this will clear up some of the concerns, or at least alleviate some fears, as the vote is looking like it will pass. Again, any questions or concerns, I am always reachable on Discord, or if you would like to publicly ask something, the comments section of this post remains fresh and ripe for discussion.

Thanks. Zealous Champion (talk) 23:30, May 9, 2020 (UTC)

Edit Three

Ok, so we are getting into specifics about these aforementioned people? Also, Wig, it would have been easier if you said it in the bare and barren "Questions and Comments section.

Did i try to expose two minors for being racist, homophobic, anti-semitic and so on? No.

As previously stated, I had talked about said users with my partner. I never did and never had the intention to share information or make public the vile things that they were saying in the server. The extent of my actions was archiving hate speech in said server, regardless of users and on a few occasions, showing my partner the screenshots. My wish regarding them was for the administration to step in and stop what they were doing, which never happened. I should note that one of these minors openly shared private information about themselves in the previously mentioned server. They were and still are youths with no understanding of the world and the people in it. If I had any intent to do such a thing as "exposing" them, I had ample information and evidence to do so. Again, my only wish was for the admins to take some action.

I should also note that I am still in a server with one of these people. While I take issue with many of the things they still say, I am not as active in that server, and the admins have shown some interest in at least limiting the extremes of what they say.

I am open to all criticism towards myself, especially during this application, as I feel staff should be vetted by the community before being placed in any roles. However I do feel that I am being used somewhat as a strawman regarding the drama that took place on SNM. Zealous Champion (talk) 01:11, May 10, 2020 (UTC)

Editcount

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Endorsements

I would like to endorse Zeal's candidacy. From where I'm sitting, Zeal has demonstrated the qualities expected from a chat moderator, including the rare kind of sensitivity towards people and topics that will help keep the chat a friendly and productive place. Zeal has also demonstrated one additional quality: Reading the manual and following both the spirit and the letter of the rules. That's not something found often, and I say that both as a bureaucrat and a wiki janitor. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 16:57, January 31, 2020 (UTC)

Poll


Yes

  1. Yes L84tea Tea kettleWould you like a cup of tea? 09:18, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
  2. Yes Absolutely. Zealous more than meets the requirements and showed level-headedness and reason necessary to maintain the quality of the chat. Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 09:34, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
  3. Yes I support this application. Zealous has always been pleasant and helpful in chat. -(Kdarrow (talk) 09:50, May 6, 2020 (UTC))
  4. Yes Aya42 (talk) 10:26, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
  5. Yes The Dyre Wolf (talk) 13:24, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
  6. Yes Having another active mod would be helpful, and Zealous is a great candidate for it. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 14:36, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
  7. Yes You can never have enough chat moderators, and Zeal fits the bill. --Dankalor😳 14:52, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
  8. Yes Good person, good moderator. Bleep approved. ---bleep196- (talk) 16:28, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
  9. Yes More needs to be done to keep the quality of the chat in check, and I believe Zeal is more than suitable to the position. TechnoCrusader (talk) 20:16, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
  10. Yes Zeal has provided a number of things to not only the Discord, but to the wiki itself, so as such, I also agree with the sentiment of supporting this application. JCB2077 (talk) 20:24, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
  11. Yes More mods is never a bad thing imo and Zeal seems more than level headed enough for it. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 23:03, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
  12. Yes The fact that there's more people who refuse to accept responsibility for their actions than there should ever be means we need more serious folk around. Saxhleel12 (talk) 12:46, May 7, 2020 (UTC)
  13. Yes --Ant2242 (talk) 21:44, May 7, 2020 (UTC)
  14. Yes Zeal is a pleasant person to chat with and has shown that he can be responsible for things he cares about. He can do the job. NCR Ranger Alex (talk)
  15. Yes Without a shred of doubt. |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 23:26, May 8, 2020 (UTC)
  16. Yes Honestly, Zealous has always been nice and polite in chat, and helpful when needed. So I'm totally behind them being a mod. Jeet-Maht (talk) 21:30, May 9, 2020 (UTC)
  17. Yes CookieGamer733 (TalkUser Talk:CookieGamer733) 17:03, May 11, 2020 (UTC)

No

  1. NoIn my opinion our discord has more than enough moderators between the assigned staff and admins. Zeal also has a bias I fear would impose his ability to keep a neutrality while moderating.W.I.G.T.A.I.H.T.W.B.M.G (talk) 13:32, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
  2. No I have seen no situations in the discord that have been beyond the capacity of the current active moderators. I believe this appointment would be entirely arbitrary and without utility. Mishaxhi 14:19, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
  3. No still scarred from what he sent me 😳 --Finsquared2 (talk) 16:20, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
  4. No Although Zeal has been alright in his last few months on the wiki, I still cannot forget what he did on SNM, falsely accusing several people of racism and attempting to publicly “expose” them. I haven’t seen much that says that something like that won’t happen again. User: Savior D.J --The Greatest Savior (talk) 18:28, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
  5. No The Wandering Dragonborn (talk)
  6. No Zeal has displayed a level of bias against and for certain mannerisms and people that would make him unfit to moderate, I firmly believe he would use the ability to moderate to somewhat stomp others' voices. JayRicktor (User talk:JayRicktor
  7. No During my time on the discord particularly SNM I saw zeal to be person of with heavy bias and after hearing of things he said about people there I think he might have poor intentions. Ballout 76 (talk) 21:12, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
  8. No Sorry. I like Zeal a fair deal as a person, But I think the way they deal with certain situations makes them unfit for the role. LovinglyGaslight (talk) 00:32, May 7, 2020 (UTC)
  9. No My apologies comrade, but I no think position suits you well. Dimitri Reznov (talk) 18:18, May 7, 2020 (UTC)
  10. No I have to agree with LovinglyGaslight and JayRicktor. I'm worried this user has certain biases that might keep him from doing this job properly. Also, I cannot forget when he tried to wrongfully expose a group of minors on twitter, many of whom are part of this community. Jgrsoto Coat of arms of Puerto Rico
  11. No I am gonna have to agree with Jay in this situation. I have not liked what Ive seen...--Vault-Tec Staff (talk) 21:17, May 9, 2020 (UTC)
  12. No Obamacat.ind
  13. No see above (jay and Gaslight) Quarterman812 (talk)
  14. No Originally, I had no intention of participating in this vote. But going on twitter to expose children as nazis? I don’t care about any sort of defense for that, if people took it seriously enough they could have been doxxed and had their whole lives ruined for stupid jokes. Laat the Survivor RangerSequoia (talk) 00:37, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
  15. No What the others said. NewSwedishMafia
  16. No a biased moderator would only make the wiki's bad reputation worse. CobaltJack (talk) 01:07, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
  17. No I haven't had quite the good run with Zeal and I feel his views would be rather subjective in moderation based off earlier encounters. UrbanAnge1 (talk) 04:33, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
  18. No There is too much controversy behind this vote for me to wholeheartedly support it, and not enough need for new moderation. - Chris With no background 17:29, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
  19. No selfish reasons, but despite claiming that they're open to looking after users and care about other people's mental health, i've never had zeal contact me following my departure from the discord server due to another user making a comment that openly upset me. this is in comparison to another chat mod who has consistently asked after me and ensured that i'm fine. until i can see zealous' self proclaimed "caring" in action, i'll keep my vote at no. Kittybright (talk) 18:54, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
  20. No I've heard a lot of shit talked about him, and tbh, I dont think having such a controversial mod is a good idea. Whether he would fit the job or not, idk. I dont know him personally. User: Conner x FE 3:40, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
  21. No NP has already gone down the shitter but before I left I specifically recall wondering if Zeal would ever become chat mod considering the state of NP at the time. This vote passing would just be an insult to any hope of Nukapedia Chat ever improving, as false as that hope is With love; Silent (˶◡‿◡)(´ ❥ `) (talk) 20:36, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
  22. No My interactions with you have led me to believe you’re a self righteous prick that can’t be trusted to moderate without bias User:Ilwastelandducé

Neutral

  1. Neutral I am honestly on the fence about this (though I never take sides in anything so what else is new). I think Zeal genuinely wants to help the wiki and he is a pretty nice guy, but he does not seem all that trustworthy if all this screenshot business is to be believed. If he has dozens of screenshots from other servers, who's to say he won't be the next staff room leak down the road when he gets powers? In addition, most of his comments and edits since the initial application reek of paranoia and a general distrust of the entire community he is supposed to be representing. I understand wanting to get chat mod "fairly," but it's probably best to just make the application and then not look at it until the vote has been made, as right now you only appear to be digging yourself deeper. I even speak personally here, as I was originally thinking of making a yes vote, but as the situation develops and deteriorates, I find myself in a position of neutral - leaning towards no. - Sigmund Fraud Talk Contributions 23:32, May 10, 2020 (UTC)

Excluded

  • No 76.177.0.92 Not logged in.
  • No MrBro54 (talk) 23:54, May 6, 2020 (UTC) Sockpuppet of a permanently banned user.
  • Neutral Kittybright (talk) i'll stick to remaining neutral in this one, i haven't seen enough of zealous to properly make an opinion. Kittybright (talk) 10:26, May 6, 2020 (UTC) Changed vote.
  • No I've heard a lot of shit talked about him, and tbh, I dont think having such a controversial mod is a good idea. Whether he would be fit for the job or not, idk. I dont know him very well. (Conner||FE / Fallout Engineer) Not logged in.
  • Yes Zealous always keeps a level-headed manner whenever he is active. I would've given you an endorsement if Tag hadn't gotten to it first but this will do. --Cassie The Rodio Girl I see you.。✿ 09:09, May 6, 2020 (UTC) Sorry Zealous. —Cassie The Rodio Girl I see you.。✿ 00:15, May 12, 2020 (UTC)

Questions and Comments

the vote is looking like it will pass. 🤡--Finsquared2 (talk) 19:33, May 10, 2020 (UTC)

Its looking very brigaded too, Finn. It says a lot when a few of them say they don't even know me. There are people here I've never even met, let alone heard of. Besides people admitting the use of sockpuppets. It doesn't matter if the vote passes or not. The fact that people are bothering to force the vote in their direction shows that I've pissed the right people off. If people are this scared of me, then I've already won.
Bro i didn't think i was at the ocean why do i smell so much salt 🤔 these people havent just come out because i held them at gunpoint, they vote no because of your personality and actions. You ain't won anything.--Finsquared2 (talk) 20:21, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
"Whether he would fit the job or not, idk. I dont know him personally". Then why is he voting? His account was made specifically to vote. Even with the benefit of the doubt that it isn't an alt, why would someone I've never heard out be that passionate about making sure I don't get a position that that they won't get affected by? Its no secret that this vote has been brigaded and with every random who comes in, it becomes more and more apparent. I haven't needed alts, sockpuppets or brigading to get those yes votes. You can't say the same. Zealous Champion (talk) 20:56, May 10, 2020 (UTC)

Zeal, this is exactly why the majority of the community you would moderate doesn’t want you to moderate them. You look at the community being scared of you being a moderator as a positive thing. No moderator should be feared by any portion of the community. Moderators are here to serve and help the community, not preside over them like military police. And I should add that a majority of the no voters have been wiki users and chat users for years and I know most of them closely, so you saying you don’t know a lot of them certainly isn’t the best thing. I’d prefer a moderator who knows the community that they’re going to be moderating for. --The Greatest Savior (talk) 20:25, May 10, 2020 (UTC)

You’re confusing “Fear” with skepticism and a general distaste based on past and recent actions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by W.I.G.T.A.I.H.T.W.B.M.G (talk • contribs) 15:32, May 10, 2020. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
And I agree, no moderator should be like that. Do you honestly believe I'd be like that? Lets say this vote magically passes. Its just takes one slip up for me to lose that position. I'm not Autumn. I've wanted to help grow this community and as a moderator, I'd like to make sure this community is welcoming and safe to everyone. I never said the community was scared, nor would I like them to be. Majority of staff support my vote, as well as many of our notable members. Look at how Silent just came in here. Its not the "Community" I'm referencing. Zealous Champion (talk Forgot to sign originally.
No, it doesn't take one slip up or else it wouldn't have taken so long for us to get the previous badmins out of NP to some extent. No votes of no confidence ever passes lol and you're clearly out of touch with NP if you think they actually work. Welcoming and safe for everyone except those no good racist troll nazis amirite? Notable members, lol, so users who have been around 3x as long as you are irrelevant? You're def a good fit for a NP admin if you think that! Jk btw don't run for admin pls. I didn't just "come in" lol I've been off and on the wiki for a bit again, but I'll give you benefit of the doubt in that you don't check /d. Your whole "haha keep hating me it only fuels me" stance needs some work bub. Leave my name out of it next time please With love; Silent (˶◡‿◡)(´ ❥ `) (talk) 21:38, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
Well, you certainly weren't very welcoming when you were still part of the Discord server. I still have screenshots of all the shit you said. Zealous Champion (talk) 22:16, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
Theeeeeeere it is again. You’re just proving all of your no voters right. Anything anyone ever said anywhere will be screenshotted and used against them via sham investigations. “Ban any dissenters by any means necessary” is how the staff team has functioned for the past year and it needs to change. We’re here to moderate for the community, not investigate and ban anyone who dares to speak out and threaten them with “screenshots”. 🤷‍♂️ --The Greatest Savior (talk) 22:22, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
See, I'm not talking about anyone "speaking out". You say that as if I'm an admin right now and that I have already banned people. My unachievable goal would be stopping all the hate speech that this "community" loves so much. Any screenshots I have are evidence of character. I don't expect anyone to get banned because i have a photo of them spamming their adoration of Hitler. Any theoretical action taken would be in response to events in the Fallout wiki Discord, not other servers. And frankly majority of Silent's ones were from the Wiki Discord. Saka even popped in to tell him off at one point. Again, do you really think I'm the type of person to get promoted and start a reign of terror? Zealous Champion (talk) 01:08, May 11, 2020 (UTC)

Yo but having screenshots to remind you what users you don't like is very sus. And I'm p sure I've never seen anyone unironically hail Hitler in any server even remotely related to NP. I personally didn't believe you would hold grudges or go after people for off-server things, but these comments leave me skeptical. Additionally, what alts do you believe are involved in this vote, because the closest I can see is the one Russian who was randomly banned last week lol. Also this comment section is a mess smh at least sign your comments guys Laat the Survivor RangerSequoia (talk) 23:23, May 10, 2020 (UTC)

Apologises, I forgot to sign. Frankly I'd be lying if I said I got along swell with everyone. None of us have been without conflict, I don't need to be reminded of who I do or don't get along well with, though. Anything I have saved is generally just racist or anti-semitic shit that has been said. The only reason I'd ever hold a grudge against someone is if they hurt me personally. Thats never happened here, and I'd like to think that isn't within the character of anyone here.
As for alts, its a bit beyond me. A banned user was caught voting previously, and others have shown interest. Some of the accounts show suspicious activity. Of course its mostly just speculation on my behalf, and if there is anything actionable the staff will or likely would have already acted. Zealous Champion (talk) 01:09, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
Also, Zeal, I would like to clarify I'm not voting out of any sort of personal reason. I am just skeptical Laat the Survivor RangerSequoia (talk) 19:37, May 11, 2020 (UTC)

Originally I voted no because I was unsure of what I had seen and heard about you, so I figured it would be safer to go with a no vote, but now hearing about some of these incidents, especially the whole SNM incident, and seeing some of your comments on the vote have made me confident that I’ve made the right choice ;) Quarterman812 (talk)


Friendly general reminder: don't use # to reply to a comment or question. Use indentations. Jgrsoto Coat of arms of Puerto Rico 03:03, May 11, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks AYF. Jgrsoto Coat of arms of Puerto Rico 00:18, May 12, 2020 (UTC)
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