Forums: Index > Wiki proposals and applications > Chat Moderator Request - Dead Gunner (II)

Yo all, this is Nate, otherwise known as Dead Gunner or DG, and I'm here, once again, to run for Chat Moderator rights on the wiki.


This is a formal application, so I'll try and keep it short, sweet and to the point. The few chat moderators that we do have are all starting to get busy and not show up in chat as frequently as they used to. While it's not their fault whatsoever, it does need to be compensated for. I'm in the chat day-in and day-out and I can handle situations thrown at me without emotion or bias getting in my way. I will continue to show up frequently in the chat and do my job as necessary. I stay up relatively late so I may as well be productive if I'm not able to sleep.

In regards to my unavoidable past, while it's not necessarily true I was able to make amends with everyone I've wronged, I have tried my best to learn from my mistakes so that I never make them again. Since my last chat moderator request, I am not the same person as I have grown a significant amount in my eyes. Where was I was impulsive, over-dramatic and obnoxious, I would now like to consider myself as more laid-back and able to think things through before acting.

I have no other hopes than the hope to represent and assist the wiki as needed, so if you place your hope in my hands, I refuse to let it go to waste.

Dead Gunner's SMG JPG1 "Semper Invictus" 20:26, April 25, 2014 (UTC)


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I, TwoBearsHigh-Fiving, fully endorse Dead Gunner's run for Chat Moderator. --TwoBearsHigh-Fiving (Talk) 05:31, April 25, 2014 (UTC)


Poll finished on 4:24 pm May 2, 2014 (UTC).
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  1. Icon check why not? you seem like a cool guy.--TOXICTORTURE (talk) 20:28, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Icon check I have looked into the logs where a certain chat-banned user has said you harassed them and found nothing but tiny bits of playful banter from both ends. In the last few weeks I have noticed that you are on during times where chat is bustling. We need people in there to keep out the riff-raff. You have my vote for yes, use it well. RangerSequoia "Some say this user is a Moderator..." Wiki 20:30, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Icon check You have made mistakes, but none of them were intentional or harmful to towards this wiki. Looking back at everything, I still trust you enough for the Chat Moderator position, and I know you will be fair with them. But if you do mess up again, just remember that this is your last chance - you will not just lose the rights, but also your chat privileges entirely. Good luck friend, and I trust you will not disappoint however way this vote turns out. ForGaroux Some Assembly Required! 22:03, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Icon check I know you would never intentionally harm someone verbally, you show playful banter more than anything, and I don't really agree with the "we have enough chat-mods as it is" card. I trust you in this position Nate. Brandon Fox (talk) 22:50, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Icon check I have known you your whole time on the Wiki Dead Gunner. I fully trust your ability to hold this position. --TwoBearsHigh-Fiving (Talk) 01:01, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Icon check only request in the last few that actually make sense. AND THATS THE GOD'S HONEST TRUTH Detroit lions Hawk da Barber 2013 - BSHU Graduate 02:20, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Icon check Not really seeing anything convincing me to vote no, and we do need a mod to cover the time zone you're in. I hate leaving chat at night without a mod to cover me, but you're always still on. - Chris 4 Star Dragon Ball Edit 04:00, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Icon check Sic itur ad astra. --Skire (talk) 15:45, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
  9. Icon check I think you have come far since your last request. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 16:06, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Icon check Dead Gunner is the moderator Nukapedia deserves, but not the one it needs right now. But seriously, he's a chat regular and tends to be fairly level minded with things like this. I see no reason why he shouldn't be a mod. Boltman BOLTMAN FOREVER  Boltman 18:09, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
  11. Icon check Nate is level-headed and trustworthy. He'd be a great mod. BILLYOCEAN Wanna talk? 18:21, April 26, 2014 (UTC)


  1. Icon cross I can't see any grounds at all to support this request. Firstly, I don't believe we have any shortage of mods, I havent had to appoint a temporary mod in a long time, and we've just had an influx of applications. Even if I could be convinced an opening existed, Foxes should not guard henhouses; you've shown bad behaviour in the past and in at least one case used blackmail to hinder an investigation into your misuse of rights on another wiki. I havent seen any growth, in fact I think you have regressed. In the past few months you gave up the responsibility you did have, and I dont see any sign of you seeking more (other than a grab for power). You're one ban away from permenently being blocked from chat, and after your recent interaction with fireburn in chat (which provoked him into getting himself banned) and following on your respective talk pages are in my view lucky not to be banned at this time. In Short, you're the wrong person for a job that isn't vacant. Agent c (talk) 20:31, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Icon cross I think we have more than enough mods currently.--x30px "legio patria nostra" 20:35, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Icon cross You are often there, that's true for sure, but I simply don't have trust in you as a chat mod. - Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 21:51, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Icon cross --NukaTurtle (talk) 21:53, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Icon cross I like you Gunner, as a person, but the way you handled the dealings with Fireburn and just general conversation with others don't lead me to have faith in your abilities to moderate. It may be that I just see your interactions more now, but seemed way more laid back when you were doing the polls. Either way, I can't say yes. --MountHail (talk) 22:42, April 25, 2014
  6. Icon cross I have no faith in your abilities and you have done little to nothing to sway my lack of faith. I would've hoped this had become evident after the third request, but I do not think you will ever be chat mod material. You have demonstrated your inability or unwillingness to adapt from experience and have, in my mind, remained the same person since I met you. And I would never give that person chat mod rights. --The Ever Ruler (talk) 00:22, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Icon cross Honestly, what I have to say is simple and to the point, what happen with me was my fault, and I am not going to blame you, but in that situation you clearly could have played the bigger man and said "Okay" and backed away, and maybe this was a long time ago, when I mentioned so casually not to start a bashful conversation, you managed to go out on an all out rampage because of your personal beliefs, which I respect, It was so bad, that I had to say sorry for what happened even though it was YOUR fault. I still think there is room for improvement but for right now. No. Sorry. --I really need to get a signature (talk) 01:58, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Icon cross I am saying no to you we have had quite a lot of people run for it lately I'm not saying we have to many just saying that there have been a lot of request lately and it needs to settle down a bit and I don't trust you enough because I don't know you that much and because of bad things I have heard about. Enclavesymbol Vice President Spocklan116 07:53, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
  9. Icon cross —Preceding unsigned comment added by RyanMakhoul (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~! - (Reinstated. Edits prior to Vote being called. 2x on April 21. The standard we've operated by for a very long time is at least 1 prior to the vote. Agent c (talk) 14:33, April 26, 2014 (UTC))


  1. Icon neutral While ordinarily I would not play the "we have too many of blah blah blah" card, I'm inclined to see the influx of new mods and the times at which they are serving, and right now we just don't have the need. However, while I say that I do think that perhaps you deserve a chance at the position, though the reasoning in Chad's no vote concerns me. I need to do a little digging into the things he is discussing before I make a solid judgement on the matter. ---bleep196- (talk) 22:35, April 25, 2014 (UTC)

Comments and Questions

Suspended vote

-bleep196- and I believe this vote should be temporarily suspended due to problems in chat. There are currently allegations of people attempting to rig this vote and people who voted yes being threatened. We are currently looking for evidence of this, and are attempting to contact bureaucrats to discuss the matter. Paladin117>>iff bored; 04:33, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

After more discussion, it's been decided that this vote will resume as normal until some type of proof is shown. Paladin117>>iff bored; 04:51, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
I certainly hope some proof is offered. It would be very disapointing if one side was trying to throw mud on the other with a false or over exaggerated claim of threats. Edit - Looking on the log, a message of "Your dead to me" isn't a threat or a suggestion of violence, it is a statement of "disownership". Lobbing for or against votes is not new to this place, and gunner himself has been a part of such endeavours. On this "conspiracy" allegation - I was informed of the request a day ahead of it by another admin, and discussed it with one chat mod, and maybe one other admin, noone else. In any case, if this is a "conspiracy" then equally those who had agreed to support the request are also members of a conspiracy as is any person who has ever discussed another user rights request with another.Agent c (talk) 14:40, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
What could people possibly "threaten" others with across the realm of cyberspace? --Skire (talk) 15:48, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
1) If someone has power on this wiki they have the ability to threaten people with bans and such. 2) Threats don't need to be followed through for them to be threats. I could say "Sig, I am going to murder you" and that is legally a threat and harassment, neither of which do we support on this wiki. 3) Disowning people as a friend over who they voted for may as well be a threat. If I say to you "if you don't vote no on this we wont be friends anymore" I am still trying to sway your vote, which is wrong. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 16:14, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
In which case, this isn't a threat. It was after he voted, and wasn't made in any conditional way. Given Mel's history with Dead Gunner (Lets remember that he did blackmail her, which is a crime) its hardly suprising that she would not want to associate with someone who supported the person who did it. Agent c (talk) 16:17, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
So she can run around emotionally blackmailing whoever the fuck she feels like? If I tried to force people to vote yes on this then I would be getting in to shit over it. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 16:20, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
There is no blackmail. Not conditional, not an attempt to influence. Even if Gunner changes his mind, I doubt she will change hers now. Agent c (talk) 16:22, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Just to put this out there, and as Bleep and I have tried to explain, I never took the message as a threat. I took it as rude and harsh. I have a clear mind that the message was about my "Yes" vote on this request. I brought this to attention not because I felt intimidated, but rather hurt that just because I voted for someone who I am willing to give the chance to become a Chat mod, I lose a friend because they do not like that person. Her quarrels and hate for Dead Gunner are HERS alone. Just because you do not like someone does not mean I have to hate them too. My YES vote stands and if that means that I lose a friend, so be it. I have my right to vote for whoever the hell I want, when I want, if I want. I will not let that be taken away because of a "friend" who hates the candidate. RangerSequoia "Some say this user is a Moderator..." Wiki 17:03, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with what Gunslinger says. And, as I have tried to express, even though this is not a threat it still looks to me like an attempt to manipulate the results. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard 17:05, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
I am actually not sure who coined this all as a conspiracy in the first place. Either way, I stand by Slinger and everyone that voted honestly on this. ForGaroux Some Assembly Required! 17:07, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
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