Is there a way to have a spoiler aleart or censorship? Because when I was searching for related quest with—spoiler—Paladin Danse, in the Biography box the first thing was race: Synth...
So what? Should we start removing or hiding content because you don't want that? Besides, none of such things have been said about other games, yet here we are, having all the content at our disposal.19:50, November 21, 2015 (UTC)
I'm suggesting since the appearance race is human, we could have the actual synth race under a special section at the end of the character page with a story spoiler warning.
No need to move content. Even in your case, we'd be actually lying to the readers.19:57, November 21, 2015 (UTC)
All the other wikis have spoilers tags or warnings, the synth true identity is a major part of the story and having it display out in the open is ridiculous, it's not lying when the gen 3 synth's major purpose in the game is to deceive/disguise as humans. Readers new to the game who are just looking for character locations/related quests will not care if we didn't display the true race at the start since they are not looking for spoilers.
Then you should know that we are not like other wikis. It is even more ridiculous that we have to hide content, possibly even creating more mess than it is.
Besides, I don't see a big fuss about knowing more. As some people state, spoilers are everywhere. Either take the risk by reading or don't. Plain as that.20:10, November 21, 2015 (UTC)
I think we do need to look at how to handle the Synth issue. I'm not saying we should hide it, but we have a situation where we effectively have two characters - the synth, and the person who's identity they assume.
Perhaps a compromise could be a "quarantine period"? Though it wouldn't resolve the issues for new players in the future. I must admit, seeing that plot spoiler by accident (since I like to check out, what the companions like/dislike) was pretty irritating for me. BusinessMonkey 13:07, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
I must admit though, that the idea of apparent race is appealing to me. It's not necessarily lying as the game wants you to believe that in the first place, and the real race can be added in 'Notes' or something. Also, perhaps the character sheets on each companion page don't necessarily have to be edited (I personally don't read much on those sheets unless it's specific details further down, like perk benefits, I don't know if this also is the case for many other users though). My own experience of being spoiled was looking at the Fallout 4 companion overview, so my immediate idea would be to edit the race part out of that page, since I don't necessarily find it important to be there to begin with. What do you guys think? BusinessMonkey 13:13, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
I felt exactly the same way as BusinessMonkey felt. I searched Danse in order to learn about what he likes / dislikes, and got major spoilers instead. Sure, spoilers are everywhere. But this wiki used to pay attention to it, don't know when the policy has changed. The biggest reason that the people visit wikis are to gain information that they seek, and it is unavoidable to give them a long read instead. But even when you are skimming through the info, some things stand out and spoil the game for you. That'll make sure that those people will never visit the wiki again. If that policy is here to stay (and I assume so) then it is this wikis job to INFORM the users BEFOREHAND. Lyravega (talk) 16:52, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Only trouble I see, is how exactly to implement it. I mean, if we omit the race entirely, the infobox template is going to start complaining, outright encouraging users to fill the field. Any special treatment - by, for example, adding a spoiler tag around the race, is going to be pretty damn noticeable, and since there would be only one reason why a race would be a spoiler, it would defeat the purpose, if not make it even more of a spoiler. Digital Utopia (talk) 13:10, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
I am very very new to all the 'behind the scenes' part of wikis, but ☢ Energy, based on your statement above I am inclined to think you don't represent the overall community's view on this issue. Since your personal views on it seem to conflict with the more common view, something like a reasonable risk depending on the page with an expectation of a spoiler warning for things that spoil the story especially when they are located in places you wouldn't expect them. There is a reason 'all the other wikis' have spoiler tags. Simply saying 'Then you should know that we are not like other wikis' does not mean that you shouldn't be. If this is something that most of the users of this wiki would want then we can safely say that, in this case, different is not better. And I think a reasonable expectation of being able to navigate around story spoilers when looking up game mechanic and item info is something most people would want. I have proposed an update to the spoiler policy, following the suggestions on how to submit proposals, but regardless... This should be handled quickly. Many people got this game for Christmas... many are leveling up and will many will likely want to look up character affinity before they get to this part of the story. There are reddit posts linking to this article that have already spoiled it for multiple people. They don't expect this wiki to be a 'risk' until it is too late... People don't google for this info, then read your policy before looking at the page... Putting the expectation on your readers to know you are different regarding spoilers is flawed at best.
I would suggest an immediate, even if temporary, fix until a long term solution can be ironed out. Marking all the races with spoiler tags or removing them completely shouldn't be too difficult. Nitsujcm (talk) 18:00, January 5, 2016 (UTC)
- I don't really see a poblem here that needs fixing. A wiki by it's nature is full of spoilers, if you don't want spoilers, don't read random resources on the internet. If we start to hide spoilers, where to stop (Shaun is Father, Arthur Maxson re-appears (latter seen at the portal))? I think there is too much opinion in this to be able to handle this objectively. For the companions article in question, the race is important in some cases (is it a humanoid or a dog?), but of course apparent race would do for that article too. But "'all the other wikis' have spoiler tags" is simply wrong. I'd say all serious wikis have stopped using spoiler tags because they are a nightmare to handle on a non-subjective basis and disrupt articles too much (Skyrim/ESO as example, elderscrolls.wikia deleted their spoiler template a year ago after they stopped using it for some time, uesp got rid of the notion spoilers a long time ago too).
- The question whether to document synth as a race (cannot be deducted from game data, a gen 3 synth is almost idistinguishable from a human) is another one, but I think tying it with spoiler concerns is the wrong way, it won't affect other "spoilers" anyway. --Alfwyn (talk) 00:58, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
- I generally agree and think that having a spoiler tag that is commonly used would be unmanageable. At the same time, I think it would be irresponsible to reference plot devices unnecessarily in unexpected places.
- Intentionally placing information that is not needed for the purpose of ruining a plot point for readers certainly does not belong on a wiki/encyclopedia. I do not think the race was added to this page to intentionally spoil anything, but when the issue came up it should have been immediately recognized as such. Knowing that this information is still on the wiki (on the character's main page, where you would expect information that relates to their involvement in the story) and then refusing to remove it from this page where it is obviously unexpected does seem to suggest a individual's goal as spoiling, not providing information.
- I am glad that this seems to have been resolved by looking at the historic president and conforming to that format. Just because you don't hide spoilers doesn't mean you can't organize your information into a structure that is mindful of them when possible. (I say this know there will be many times - like on character bio pages - where this simply would not be possible and I have very little sympathy for anyone who read's Shuan's page and then complains about spoilers.) Nitsujcm (talk) 16:19, January 7, 2016 (UTC)
Considering how many game wikis exist in Wikia's network, and how most games involve spoilers, the sheer fact that Wikia has not implemented a "spoiler mode" for their platform speaks volumes. This debate cannot be new, yet it has never warranted an option to tag information as spoilers, and allow viewers to choose their own setting. Both things fundamentally better to implement on the platform side, so that all wikis can implement spoilers consistently. I doubt anything on this topic is going to go anywhere. Brackynews (talk) 22:55, January 12, 2016 (UTC)