Forum:Catmin Request - Saka

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So, there may have been suspicions about this occuring, but I have now made up my mind. I am requesting a reinstatement of some form, based on the opinion of the community.

So why did I quit in the first place

I'm going to keep it simple, that was a personal matter and will remain that way. I'd prefer to keep my personal life separate from here.

That said, quitting was a last resort, which I wasn't happy about.

So why the request?

It became apparent very early after resignation that the wiki still struggles for technical support, two bears isn't about often, Jacki resigned and from what I can tell, the other admins/moderators don't have much in the way of technical knowledge (Aya being the exception).

At present:

• The filters are unmaintained and dated.
• templates are dated and need work. I've been working on some updating/optimisation, however, with out CSS access this is difficult to do.
• You don't have a Lua specialist.
• Coverage on discussions is stretched.
• I still hold CheckUser, which is limited by the lack of additional access. Furthermore, Richie has had trouble getting this moved over.

Things to make clear

• I won't be returning to Discord, it has not been the place for me for a long ass time.
• What I do outside of Nukapedia (specifically Exodus as some like to call it) has nothing to do with this, nor do I want it to be. I have my obligations in relation to that already and have no intentions of seeking to expand those. Furthermore I am going back to university, so I don't have the time to monitor it if any extensions are made.

Edits

Although I wouldn't have held the positions in the past without reaching the edit prerequisites, they are below:

There should have been a list of this user's edit counts here, but the edit counts feature is no longer available.

Vote

Poll finished on 2:31 pm October 14, 2018 (UTC).

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Full reinstatement

(Votes for Bureaucrat/Admin combo)

1. Of course. |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 14:45, October 7, 2018 (UTC)
2. (/^▽^)/ - FDekker ^talk
3. Pedro Washington (talk) 14:58, October 7, 2018 (UTC)
4. Need at least one useful bureaucrat beside Jspoelstra. --NukaTurtle (talk) 15:19, October 7, 2018 (UTC)
5. Saka! AllYourFavorites (talk) 16:27, October 7, 2018 (UTC)
6.  :) Jgrsoto (talk)
7. Dragão Carmesim
8. Jinau (talk) 21:01, October 7, 2018 (UTC)
9. Aya42 (talk) 00:07, October 8, 2018 (UTC)
10. Clollin The Courier (talk) 04:37, October 8, 2018 (UTC)

Partial reinstatement

(Votes for Admin)

1. As discussed with you privately... I don’t think you want to be crat, I don’t think you want the implied need to be involved with everything. I think what you want - and need - is the admin toolkit. Agent c (talk) 20:10, October 7, 2018 (UTC)
2. If Admin is what you're looking for then it's what you should get. Although the majority seems to want you to return as a bureaucrat. Rebel427 ~ I'll be your huckleberry 21:19, October 7, 2018 (UTC)
3. The Wandering Dragonborn (talk)
4. UrbanAnge1 (talk) 00:26, October 8, 2018 (UTC)
5. I think you definitely want Admin, and not bureaucrat at this point. I'd vote for you as BC in a heartbeat, but given you stepped down the last time you were in that position, I think it would, at the very least, be a good idea to start back in Admin. ---bleep196- (talk) 01:51, October 8, 2018 (UTC)
6. i think its in anyone's best interest to not bother you with the crat role pressures, honestly if you just wanna edit admin is a more suited role.--Obamacat.ind (talk) 02:01, October 8, 2018 (UTC)
7. The discussions board is indeed short on moderators, and you have the capability of being good wiki-side.Laat the Survivor (talk) 11:59, October 8, 2018 (UTC)
8. This should have been an admin request and nothing more. You need the tools to do techincal stuff and we need someone to take care of it. I am under the impression that a large part of you leaving was due to the stress that comes with being bureaucrat. Don't let that happen again. Do what you enjoy, that is all I ask right now. -DisgustingWastelander (talk) 12:20, October 8, 2018 (UTC)

No reinstatement

1. lol Quarterman812 (talk) 00:52, October 8, 2018 (UTC)
2. Absolutely not. Does not have the temperament. Can't even say why he left before in this request, even though he made it clear in chat before. Attempted to split the wiki yet again. I see no reason why editing requires admin tools - they are a right given on a needed basis, not a toy. - Chris 01:36, October 8, 2018 (UTC
3. after reading over my old vote and letting it go over in my head, I am against saka getting anything. The quitting and coming back seems like a snake maneuver to just slither back into a major position in the wiki again once the dislike for hinm has died down. I still have my doubts about giving him any rights given that it would be right back at square one with his want to push shit and/or scavenge shit from here to put in the passion project. In short: I see no need to reaccept someone who wants to split the already divided community. silentWraith_291 {♤Niner Ace of Spades♤} (talk) 02:06, October 8, 2018 (UTC)

Excluded Votes

1. Seems you want admin anyways, and I am fine with you being admin. If you want to return as a mere editor, I think that the bureaucrat toolset isn't really needed - and may cause you more stress and responsibilities than you want to take on. Plus, we never found out a cat name for bureaucrat - but we did find one for admin - catmin, so all around pros silentWraith_291 {♤Niner Ace of Spades♤} (talk) 00:08, October 8, 2018 (UTC) — Retracted by user
2. 2607:FB90:7CE2:807D:C93E:3C17:9DB4:E68F 01:49, October 8, 2018 (UTC) - GarouxBloodline — User not logged in

Comments

As much as I'd like to see you return, I'm not sure what this vote is exactly. Is this just a poll or is this an actual rights request? For example, if the majority votes for full reinstatement, does that mean you will be a crat next week or will you require another vote for that?
- FDekker ^talk 14:49, October 7, 2018 (UTC)

Consider this a full vote. I'd rather be where the community feels I should be than go "right I want to go for this" and for it not to be the right place. Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 14:51, October 7, 2018 (UTC)

If full reinstatement is you becoming a crat, what is partial reinstatement exactly? Admin?
- FDekker ^talk 14:52, October 7, 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it would be admin. Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 14:53, October 7, 2018 (UTC)

You're too wishy washy. You consistently leave and rejoin the chat room to the point where it's an inside joke among the server regulars and even the newer folks.

You left not long after Exodus failed and the Nuka split 2.0 failed, and already you are back trying to get your rights back, not sufficiently explaining why this had to be necessary in the first place.

Maybe in the future, this will change. But right now, you ain't exactly looking reliable, you're looking like emotions control your activity here, which is counterintuitive when you're wanting to hold a technical position.

I don't vote out of fear. I did the same thing with Theo's vote, who emotionally left this will multiple times, abandoning his promises and responsibilities, when, hell, he wasn't even an admin yet.

As tedious as it is, you can gain temporary control of pages you want access to. But outside of that, I can't say I trust that you won't leave the wiki hanging. Again.

I have other reasons for voting no, too, but they are fairly minor in comparison, and if it were just for those more minor respond, I'd at least vote for you to retain admin rights. 2607:FB90:7CE2:807D:C93E:3C17:9DB4:E68F 01:49, October 8, 2018 (UTC) - GarouxBloodline

I feel some corrections need to be made here.

• "You consistently leave and rejoin the chat room" - Last time I entered chat, I needed an aim, the time before was because gunny quit and the time before I was looking into something for a bureaucrat. Each time I entered with the intention of leaving once I had done what I had intended to do.
• "You left not long after Exodus failed and the Nuka split 2.0 failed" - If you check the timestamps of my resignation and and when the poll went up, you'll see I actually called quits before the vote; it wasn't because anything had failed. As I said, my reasons are personal and not to do with here.

I'm not going to say anything else on the rest of your statement, after all it is your vote, your views and your opinions and I respect that. Those two points had a different perspective to them and such, it needed putting out there. Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 09:36, October 8, 2018 (UTC)

That's sort of my point, though - it's hard to tell with you. There's no telling if you'll leave again, and there are precedents for that, this latest precedent being one that you e backtracked on fairly quickly.

On top of that, you say you have mounting real-life pressures, while also having your divinity hobby included onto everything else.

Looking at all that, I'm not seeing any sort of clear and defined dedication that'd be needed for a crat position. Maybe admin, but I'd only be able to vote for that after seeing more from you after having resigned such a short time ago. 2607:FB90:7CE0:B9FE:F9FA:8505:B315:32E8 15:13, October 8, 2018 (UTC)

Last I checked Leon, no one here, regardless of their position, is required to give explanations for their personal reasons for doing something. If they wish to give reasons, that's up to them, and many of us do. But it's not mandated, even if you are applying for crat. Anyone is free to come and go here, and if they request their permissions back too, they'll not need to explain what caused them to leave. This has happened before with others, I believe.... |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 16:45, October 8, 2018 (UTC)

I agree here with FDekker. As much as I like you, Saka, this is not the way to do it in my opinion. Either you do a real vote (with the specific job you want, and with the classic title structure) or you do a consultative forum just to get opinions, but a forum with a "kinda" vote that would then also have consequences is a no-go for me and shouldn't be enforced as I think it would be a bad precedent for future rights requests. Anyway, happy to see you back. - ^Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 09:18, October 8, 2018 (UTC)

“or scavenge shit from here to put in the passion project.”— Silent

I think I need to educate you here silent. There is absolutely nothing that can be “scavenged” as as a special rights user that cannot simply be copied as a regular user. The whole damn point of a wiki is that every single little thing is available for anyone to reuse if they follow the CC license... If you don’t like that then a wiki is not for you.

And just on Chris' point. Mediawiki Pages, CSS pages, and the pages controlling the filters cannot be edited (but can be viewed) by non-admins. Saka is being granted access on an as-needed basis, but strictly speaking, there's no rule/procedure for temp admin (although he's not the first to be tempted), and I believe several admins are getting a little tired of doing it. Agent c (talk) 11:47, October 8, 2018 (UTC)