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::There's also a daily email update you can sign up for. I do not believe this is admin only. [[User:Agent c|Agent c]] ([[User talk:Agent c|talk]]) 01:55, January 1, 2019 (UTC)
 
::There's also a daily email update you can sign up for. I do not believe this is admin only. [[User:Agent c|Agent c]] ([[User talk:Agent c|talk]]) 01:55, January 1, 2019 (UTC)
 
::When I say dead I am not talking about the wiki getting views. I am talking about the community. Engagement from users. When we first got the Discord server it was, compared to now, flourishing. Over time, due to tons of uncertainty, disagreements, drama and constant conflicts, the regulars started fading away. Electing me as bureaucrat will not solve these issues, but I intend to be a steadfast leader that will listed to the community. I think a lot of people can agree that two bureaucrats is not enough, plus one of them is not even active in chat (no problem there Jspoel, keep doing what you do). <font face= "Comic Sans MS">[[user:DistustingWastelander|DisgustingWastelander]] [[User talk:DistustingWastelander|(talk)]]</font> 00:01, January 1, 2019 (UTC)
 
::When I say dead I am not talking about the wiki getting views. I am talking about the community. Engagement from users. When we first got the Discord server it was, compared to now, flourishing. Over time, due to tons of uncertainty, disagreements, drama and constant conflicts, the regulars started fading away. Electing me as bureaucrat will not solve these issues, but I intend to be a steadfast leader that will listed to the community. I think a lot of people can agree that two bureaucrats is not enough, plus one of them is not even active in chat (no problem there Jspoel, keep doing what you do). <font face= "Comic Sans MS">[[user:DistustingWastelander|DisgustingWastelander]] [[User talk:DistustingWastelander|(talk)]]</font> 00:01, January 1, 2019 (UTC)
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:Then my response is simple, to quote the song: "Fix it dear Liza". If you believe there is a problem with engagement, do something about it - plenty of users (including myself) did so without a fancy title. I think its clear you're asking for a butter knife when its a nail that needs hammering in - not only is it the wrong tool for the job, there's no way to solve the perceived proble with it. [[User:Agent c|Agent c]] ([[User talk:Agent c|talk]]) 01:55, January 1, 2019 (UTC)
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::Then my response is simple, to quote the song: "Fix it dear Liza". If you believe there is a problem with engagement, do something about it - plenty of users (including myself) did so without a fancy title. I think its clear you're asking for a butter knife when its a nail that needs hammering in - not only is it the wrong tool for the job, there's no way to solve the perceived proble with it. [[User:Agent c|Agent c]] ([[User talk:Agent c|talk]]) 01:55, January 1, 2019 (UTC)

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I have decided to run for the position of bureaucrat.

Why?šŸ¤¤

Yes this request seems like a mess. It is a challenge of those rigid views that I see every day. We need to loosen up. The chat is more or less dead all the time, the wiki itself is fairly vacant and /d is rather dead. We need to loosen up. People donā€™t wish to stay in a place where they donā€™t feel welcome, a place where they are unable to express themselves properly without fear of being looked down upon by ā€œsuperior usersā€ that do everything by the books. We have two bureaucrats at this moment, that is not enough. Both of them are good guys who I believe make just decisions, but I think I would be a fine addition to the team. I know the place, I know its values and the people in it and its history. While that should definitely be preserved, we need to adapt to the newer trends. The fact of the matter is that the place is dying. Might be because of 76ā€™s reception, but I donā€™t think it is just that.

Iā€™m sure there are plenty more that will indulge in the floccinaucinihilipilification of my request and that is their right. Iā€™m already seeing some old-timers coming in not being too happy about what theyā€™re seeing. That is expected.

I have achieved a fair bit in my time on this wiki. I was an active editor in 2017, but things dwindled this year with school taking more time. That will continue, but I think I will be available to perform bureaucratic duties, nevertheless.

I have stuck around in the more difficult of times, I have seen changes in leadership and Iā€™ve seen friends leave. I intend to be around for as long as I am capable, serving the community I hold so dearly to my heart.


The chat is nearly always dead. Same with /d. Iā€™m in several other Discord servers and compared to them Nukapedia is a retirement home. Now, of course there is no requirement for NP chat to be active, but a wiki will always benefit from having a community, the bigger the better. It have flourished in the past. Then rule enforcement got tighter and different. I think the rules in chat is in many ways justified in theory, but in practice it becomes a little too strict. You may wonder why my being bureaucrat has anything to do with that, well it matters who is in the leadership position. This is a place where everyone is supposed the be equal and have the same possibilities, but truth is people up there have more influence. I intend to use my rights and position for nothing except what is good for the community.


Yeah, I should probably have put this in from the start. Shock value ainā€™t worth it.


Here is an example of the images I upload just to give you a thought of what I enjoy doing on the wiki:

Edit countšŸ¤“

Type of edits Edit count
Total 9,725
Article 5,932
Talk 124
User 290
User talk 395
Fallout Wiki 146
Fallout Wiki talk 2
File 2,368
File talk 0
Template 26
Template talk 0
Module 0
Module talk 0
Category 7
Category talk 0
User blog 15
User blog comment 22
Blog 0
Blog talk 0

VotešŸ˜ˆ

Poll finished on 5:02 am January 6, 2019 (UTC).
Poll
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    • Use # {{yes}} ~~~ if you support the proposal.
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YesšŸ˜Ž

  1. Icon check wow, much info, very helping. A YAS from me Fo4Sword of Wonders That's why no one will remember your name... 05:07, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
  2. Icon check I was promised cookies upon this vote but it wasn't part of my script so I dunno bro šŸ˜šŸ˜šŸ˜ not even sure what a burrow crat is. silentWraith_291 {ā™¤Niner Ace of Spadesā™¤} (talk) 05:08, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
  3. Icon check DisgustingWastelander is an unique individual who has made numerous contributions to the wiki, behaves in chat and moderates well on it. Godspeed. Jgrsoto Coat of arms of Puerto Rico 05:18, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
  4. Icon check he deserves it CCodyy (talk)
  5. Icon check his hip-hop will rock and shock the nation like the Emancipation Proclamation President Autumn User image president autumn signature 05:47, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
  6. Icon check I am being held at gunpoint and being forced to answer yes. Quarterman812 (talk) 07:09, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
  7. Icon check I'm told I'll get all the pizza I can eat if I vote yes. DasisLeni (talk)
  8. Icon check Well I mean, I always vote yes when a fellow gamer like you wants to represent our very repressed minority in a position of power bro. šŸ˜ŽšŸ˜ŽšŸ˜Ž DragĆ£o Carmesim Red hammer and sickle 15:20, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
  9. Icon check Preston Freaking Garvey (talk)
  10. Icon check Hauganz (talk) I like you a lot
  11. Icon check Some may call this ā€œunprofessionalā€ šŸ˜¤šŸ¤§ but I feel you make valid points nonetheless. Hells yea Laat the Survivor (talk) 20:34, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
  12. Icon check You are a man of conviction and talent and thus should receive these honors. I know that you will not fail us VicePresidentCharles (talk) 21:33, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
  13. Icon check In the olden days, I would have voted no, as I would have considered you perfect as an admin. But the standard has clearly changed these days, and I know you can uphold the rules while only exerting them in a way that remains friendly and welcoming. You are a breath of fresh air, so sure, I will vote yes and see what happens. åƧ靜 Fox 21:49, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
  14. Icon check conner haggerman out - Chris 4 Star Dragon Ball Edit 22:04, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
  15. Icon checkThe Wandering Dragonborn (talk)

No

  1. Icon cross This request is a mess. You give absolutely no explanation of why you want to become a bureaucrat or what makes you qualified. Right now this request is just a glorified popularity contest. Roles should not be given because someone "deserves" it (especially not the role of bureaucrat); they should be given because Nukapedia needs it and Nukapedia trusts that the power is in good hands. Convince me that my vote is wrong and I'll change it. - FDekker talk
  2. Icon cross There's time for fun and there's time to be serious. This is definitively the former, and I can't be serious to support this. ā˜¢ Energy X ā˜£ 18:46, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
  3. Icon cross Agreed with Energy X. Saka expresses same opinion, and I'm inclined to agree. While I think you're qualified for admin, this is a bit too off-the-back-of-the-hand to be a serious bureaucrat nomination. |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 18:58, December 30, 2018 (UTC) |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 18:58, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
  4. Icon cross I'm disapointed that the top management role in the wiki has apparently become a joke. Distusting hasn't even bothered to give a decent explanation until much later into the request. Whats worse is that those who used to decry "populatity contests" have apparently forgotten their own words. Agent c (talk) 19:18, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
  5. Icon cross I think a lot of what you say about the place being a mess and nobody seeming to care, the place dying and upoer echelon doing what they want has got much truth to it, but it's not just us. It's all over Fandom and now Curse media because of what they're doing to the communities. I'm suffering burnout myself and haven't edited in the last couple months nearly as much as I should. That said, I still believe that we need talented editors in the Crat poition who know the wiki backwards and forwards, and not just someone to be more or less a goodwill ambassador. These "trends" you speak of is exactly what started this whole mess anyway. StormRider71 (talk) 04:36, December 31, 2018 (UTC)
  6. Icon cross I have no idea who you are. I like some of the things you propose. But at the same time if you wish to have a less strict Wiki, of which Iā€™m for, then we should be removing bad moderators. Rather than electing a president to just oversee everything. I havenā€™t been on since day one but I was around when Agent C was still in charge and brother those are shoes you cannot fill. User:High Elder Riesner

NeutralšŸ˜

  1. Icon neutral Hm-m-m... Jinau (talk) 20:06, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
  2. Icon neutral I don't feel like I'd have a good conscience voting yes or no. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 20:14, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

Excluded

  1. Yes yes yes yes yes yes ā€”Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:C302:5EB:1416:F172:2FEB:876 (talk ā€¢ contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

CommentsšŸ’

What in the goddam? Why do you want to run? I feel that more than two BCs are needed for decisions. Do you feel the same way? Jgrsoto Coat of arms of Puerto Rico 05:05, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

I feel da same way man šŸ˜˜ --DisgustingWastelander (talk) 05:06, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
It would be nice if you stated your intentions at the beginning. Jgrsoto Coat of arms of Puerto Rico 05:09, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
This is going so much better than the last Request we had. A+! Fo4Sword of Wonders That's why no one will remember your name... 06:54, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

As per our agreement Disgusting, I also demand your toes (preferably coated in coal dust) inside of my mouth, primed and ready for sucking. Please consider, silentWraith_291 {ā™¤Niner Ace of Spadesā™¤} (talk) 05:27, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

They will be yours.šŸ‘£DisgustingWastelander (talk) 05:28, December 30, 2018 (UTC)


Disgusting I voted yes will you please stop holding me and my children at gunpoint? Quarterman812 (talk) 15:44, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

Ok bro they're free to go, but you yourself have to wait until the vote passes. DisgustingWastelander (talk) 15:45, December 30, 2018 (UTC)


I'm not voting till Saka votes. But, until then, make sure that when you trick Quarterman's family into the Legion camp, that you don't leave behind a bill of sale in your safe or anything. |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 17:27, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

No offense mister Nom nom nom you know I love you, but are you not capable of making up your own opinion? Conner hagerman out. DisgustingWastelander (talk) 17:32, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
Luv you too, and no, not usually... |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 18:58, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

Will your rations include Sprite Cranberry for us peasants? 2600:1700:2690:3390:2D35:C7AD:76B1:D4D3 17:42, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

Of course. Sprite Cranberry will be served at with every meal. DisgustingWastelander (talk) 17:43, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

I haven't been too active this past month so I have not been able to experience the dying community you spoke of. While I definitely think it's good that you want to change a place for the better, you have yet to convince me that you understand the problem, can find a solution, and are able to enact this solution. I initially thought this request was an ill attempt at a popularity contest. Now it looks like you mean well in trying to get people to loosen up, but I don't really understand how you plan to do that, and how you being a bureaucrat is part of that plan. - FDekker talk 19:33, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

I'll respond to the second significant update of your request here.
"but truth is people up there have more influence" -- You do realise it is exactly that influence you intend to utilise yourself? I think the problem you see is not a result of inequality, but of incorrect usage of the power that creates that inequality, or (assuming good faith) trying to solve a problem in the wrong way. Really, I think what you ought to say is "I want to be a bureaucrat because I want to use my decision power to lean Nukapedia towards looser chat rules", because that's what you want, right? If that's what you want, say it loud and clear so people know what they're voting for. Because right now you've explained why you want to be a bureaucrat, but it's still vague what you want to do with it. There's a reason these applications have a certain shape and form: They tell people what they need to know.
If this request is representative of your fulfillment of the role of bureaucrat (i.e. not thought-through, perhaps impulsive), then I wouldn't want to see you as a bureaucrat. But really, I want you to show me I'm wrong.
- FDekker talk 21:25, December 30, 2018 (UTC)



To the guys who nuked the toxic valley last night; You unknowingly destroyed my base with it. Then you proceeded to visit me on the edge of the nuke zone trying to rebuild I'm a pretty friendly guy and you seemed friendly at first waving and doing that stupid heart thing. But you didnt help at all by throwing grenades at me or trying to super sledge my character. I hope you and both of your teammates get mutated and your genitals fall off.

P.s. your power armor looks like my base now. Like shit. silentWraith_291 {ā™¤Niner Ace of Spadesā™¤} (talk) 20:40, December 30, 2018 (UTC)



Where is my all you can eat pizzas. You promised me boi XOXO DasisLeni (talk)


Nice to see some people's voting criteria being confirmed, hope you get the role Dis, even though this voting is unrequested at best and makes no sense as a request. DragĆ£o Carmesim Red hammer and sickle 22:41, December 30, 2018 (UTC)


I am really twisted on this request. Normally, I'd think that I would vote yes on this request, but almost everything in this request seems to be shouting to me to vote no. I have a lot of faith in you as a person and in your admin role and normally I don't care as much about the request itself, but I think this might be the first request where I do. I have no idea where the excess of emoticons come from, but they remove the seriousness a lot and may lead to voter influencing in a way they shouldn't. For me, a request is free to be done in the way the user deems fit, but the voting part should be the neutral part. The first word of the request, which is the title of the function, is already written wrongly. I do agree that the community is too dead and many special users, like me, are too inactive, so new blood might be needed. I also agree that it would be good if some rules are applied less strictly. That all being said, I don't see how this request would change anything to that. To solve strictness, you would need votes on the rules, or votes on how they should be interpretted/applied. Something I've noticed over the years is that rules are applied in the way the strictest of the admins does. I consider myself pretty laid back, but I'd see on my watch people still being treated in the most strict way, simply because another admin was on who had more strict views (and those views are within range of the rules). Within the rules, admins have a large margin for interpretation, but the treshold that triggers action is each time the most strict one, I don't see how you being a bcrat would change that. - Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 13:04, December 31, 2018 (UTC)

I see that my approach with this request was not the right way to go about it. It was merely meant to serve as a kind of example of the fact that I seek to loosen a a few things up a little. A few emoticons on a request should not be a big deal, at least not in my opinion. I will seek to advocate a much more uniform way of enforcing the rules. DisgustingWastelander (talk) 00:01, January 1, 2019 (UTC)

Just to kill this idea of things are "dying" dead. We've constantly been getting around a million views a day for quite some time - which is about as well as we ever do. The wiki has allegedly been dying since long before I came here, and no amount of claiming it is dying will make it so. Agent c (talk) 23:04, December 31, 2018 (UTC)

Not trying to be a dick here, but I would really like to see where it shows we get around a million views a day. Or is that just some Admin type only thing, with tools? And by dying I think it means the wiki itself or its usefulness, just it's administration and it's stagnation and pollution. But that's just my opinion or view on it. Fo4Sword of Wonders That's why no one will remember your name... 23:32, December 31, 2018 (UTC)
If you are an admin of a site on Fandom, you can view Special:AdminDashboard, which shows how many views the site had within the day. Algorithms say that the past four days there have been around a million views in here. ā˜¢ Energy X ā˜£ 23:39, December 31, 2018 (UTC)
Figured it would be an admin tool/right. Thanks X. Fo4Sword of Wonders That's why no one will remember your name... 23:42, December 31, 2018 (UTC)
There's also a daily email update you can sign up for. I do not believe this is admin only. Agent c (talk) 01:55, January 1, 2019 (UTC)
When I say dead I am not talking about the wiki getting views. I am talking about the community. Engagement from users. When we first got the Discord server it was, compared to now, flourishing. Over time, due to tons of uncertainty, disagreements, drama and constant conflicts, the regulars started fading away. Electing me as bureaucrat will not solve these issues, but I intend to be a steadfast leader that will listed to the community. I think a lot of people can agree that two bureaucrats is not enough, plus one of them is not even active in chat (no problem there Jspoel, keep doing what you do). DisgustingWastelander (talk) 00:01, January 1, 2019 (UTC)
Then my response is simple, to quote the song: "Fix it dear Liza". If you believe there is a problem with engagement, do something about it - plenty of users (including myself) did so without a fancy title. I think its clear you're asking for a butter knife when its a nail that needs hammering in - not only is it the wrong tool for the job, there's no way to solve the perceived proble with it. Agent c (talk) 01:55, January 1, 2019 (UTC)
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