|This forum page has been archived. Please do not make any further edits unless they are for maintenance purposes.|
As previously mooted, discussion with the Vault on Attribution and Plagarism are complete. I present the following for your voting approval.
There's nothing new here from the forum, but it is all dressed up in flowerly language. If you want a TLDR version, the old forum is for you.
Nukapedia proudly makes its content available under a Creative Commons license. The specific version of this license is known as "CC-BY-SA", this means you can use it, and reuse it for whatever you like, as long as you credit us as the source, and make whatever you make available under the same license.
How to attribute
When using content created by us, you should use the following tag, or banner, to indicate the origin of the content.
If you're just using some text, use this banner:
(No banner yet, but I'm sure one of our template experts can make something pending this vote).
If you're using another type of file, use this banner:
What doesn't need attribution?
- Raw Game files, and data taken from the game
- Raw Dialogue files
- Texture or Graphics files, as exported
- Sound exported from a game (Note, Commercial Music may still be subject to the owner's copyright).
- Simple lists of information
- Raw References
If you are unsure if you can use our content, or if you need to attribute it, please ask one of our friendly admin team.
A wiki doesn't just live and die on the information it contains; it also survives on the reputation it builds as an information source.
Plagiarism hurts the wiki's reputation and reduces our ability to be seen as an authoritative information source - it also could be a breach of copyright.
It could also put the wiki at risk - unauthorised copyrighted content could see parts of, or even the whole wiki made unavailable.
What is, and what is not, plagiarism?
As a trusted source of information, we want as much of our pages as possible to be made up of original content that you can't find anywhere else. To this end, we would prefer you to, whenever possible, create original works that do not directly copy anyone else's work.
This is not to say you can't be inspired by it - maybe you saw something somewhere else that you thought might improve a page. By all means, feel free to bring that to the wiki - but make sure its your own work and written in your own words - and if you can improve and develop the idea further.
Sometimes you may have to use other peoples words and work, here are some situations where this is acceptable (this isn't inclusive):
- Licensed Content. If you have prior permission from the content owner, you can reuse their content - We've asked permission to present to you many of our sound files for example. You should still cite who the owner of the work is though.
- Copyleft/Creative Commons/Pubic Domain - this is a specific form of licensed content, the owner of the work has made it available for anyone to use without prior permission, but in the case of the first two this is subject to some rules. You should ensure that you follow any requirements set by the content owner (such as following the license conditions, or attributing in the way that they request); if no attribution standard is given by the owner, then you should ensure that they are identified and if at all possible the original linked in the references (for non-displayed content, the comments may also be acceptable).
- Quotes - Its perfectly permissible to quote a person, or even a copyrighted work. Your quote should be limited to the amount you need to make your point - for example, you can't quote an entire magazine article, but a paragraph or two may be acceptable. You should use the Quote template, and link to the source of the quote wherever possible, giving credit to the author/speaker/publication.
- Fair Use - There are also times where it is possible to reuse content within the US's "Fair Use" excemption. Much of the source files and screenshots fall into this category, as does images used in news reporting. The origin should be credited and linked wherever possible.
What happens if I break the rules
- Good faith attempts to attribute shouldn't ordinarily see punishment. If you have done something incorrectly, we'll show you how to put it right - We appreciate the thought and effort you make, and won't punish you for a simple mistake. If you keep making the exact same mistake, we may have to restrict your ability to edit the wiki.
- If you are a new user, or someone who is new at editing and make no effort to attribute content that is not your own, then you will receive a maximum of on warning for this behavior. After this warning, we expect you to make a good faith attempt to attribute (Getting it wrong is better than not doing it at all).
- If you have already been warned, or are someone who we feel should know better (this includes the entire leadership team, and experienced editors) and you fail to make even a good faith attempt to attribute, Enforcement action will be taken. For users in this group, there is zero tolerance.
What happens if I see someone who breaks the rule, or I suspect content has been copied?
- If it is a fresh edit, you should Undo (or revert) the edit (or if its just part of a larger edit, remove just the suspect content), and leave a note on the talk page indicating what you have done, why, and where you think the information has been copied from
- If it is existing information, then remove the specific content and leave a note on the talk page
- If you are a content owner (or other responsible person for the source), and you believe your content has been misused or copied, please instead notify our "Plagiarism Point of Contact".
- If you notice a user repeatedly using plagarised content, please alert an administrator.
Point of Contact
The Plagiarism Point of Contact (PPOC) is an administrator whom accepts reports of potential plagiarism. They have no special enforcement powers beyond being an administrator, but instead act as a single point to report issues to.
The PPOC may investigate issues directly, or may ask a fellow member of the admin team to handle an issue. If the PPOC hasn't replied to a talk page comment in a significant amount of time, then any admin is free to take the lead.
- Agent c (talk) 18:35, August 20, 2015 (UTC) At last, peace in our time
- User:Sarkhan the Sojourner 18:38, August 20, 2015 (UTC) Cooperation is key.
- Kingclyde (talk) 18:39, August 20, 2015 (UTC) --
- Why would we need a vote? It is logical that one shouldn't copy things from rival sites. Point. 18:40, August 20, 2015 (UTC)
- The Ever Ruler (talk) 18:53, August 20, 2015 (UTC) Dibs on pouring the concrete over this. --
- Rambleing Hominid (talk) 19:05, August 20, 2015 (UTC) We may never be able to join up into one super wiki ever again, but, goddem it, we better make each other the best dem pedias/wikis in cyberspace!
- JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 19:00, August 20, 2015 (UTC) Because just make your own damn content instead of taking other people's
- Skire (talk) 01:21, August 21, 2015 (UTC) --
- Gee, I should really set a custom signature. [The-Artist-64] (talk) 02:18, August 21, 2015 (UTC)The-Artist-64
- -bleep196- (talk) 16:13, August 21, 2015 (UTC) --
- OnionRings (talk) 12:23, August 25, 2015 (UTC)
- Xxx FaZe Courier Optic 420Purifyit xxx (talk) 17:31, August 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Richie9999 (talk) 19:11, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
The same has already been finalized over at The Vault, with a few changes that still need to be made, in order to hold a symbiotic relationship with everything that is being proposed and voted on here at Nukapedia.
I have limited time today, but I will try and get this all finished by tonight/tomorrow, and I will provide the link here in the comments section. At that point, all corrections are welcome, and until then, suggestions are also welcome. User:Sarkhan the Sojourner 18:40, August 20, 2015 (UTC)
How many words does it take until content is considered plagiarism? Gee, I should really set a custom signature. [The-Artist-64] (talk) 02:14, August 21, 2015 (UTC)The-Artist-64
- For The Vault, it will be a case-by-case determination, and good faith will always be applied first. We will only consider plagiarism, if there is not a doubt within our minds - as seen with how I dealt with a recent plagiarism case, I hope we have shown that we are willing to work through incidents before jumping to any conclusions. Last thing anyone wants, I would hope, is a witch hunt.
- Sorry that I cannot give you a straight answer, but that is a pretty tough question to answer since every case will be different. User:Sarkhan the Sojourner 03:29, August 21, 2015 (UTC)
- I'll echo that. It depends on the size of the source, and the nature of how its used. In general though I would expect everything to be attributed.
- Technically, Kastera will be The Vault's point-of-contact - I honestly do not know who Nukapedia has chosen. Danny, maybe?
- As for who we all report to, I imagine the POCs will be used in cases where someone needs to be reached quickly. But from The Vault's end, at the very least, a proper investigation will be held by each of the administration team - not just by our POC. I will also be creating a contact medium on The Vault, where users can put in administrative notices, so that the first sysop to happen by, can address it whenever they can. And, as a natural alternative, any of The Vault's administration can be approached personally - if they are not able, or willing, to handle a plagiarism incident, then the personal notice will be forwarded to one that is able and willing. User:Sarkhan the Sojourner 06:16, August 21, 2015 (UTC)
- I was waiting for this to pass before resolving who would be our POC. As Skire has built up a good relationship with Kastera over this, it was my intention to nominate Skire. However I do have some concerns about some personal changes coming up that may require a change to someone else. Agent c (talk) 06:59, August 21, 2015 (UTC)
- As I've said before, I am indeed interested in this role. I believe cooperation between us and The Vault is important and I would like to be a part of that effort. As Agent c alluded to, I'm starting college so things may be a bit busy on my end. However, I don't believe it will make me ill-suited to carry out the duties as a POC. --Skire (talk) 13:45, August 25, 2015 (UTC)
|Policy vote forum overview|
|Amendment 1||General/specific rule & BTS speculation · Vote · 30 December 2014 · 11-1-0; 9-3-1|
|Amendment 2||Countries articles standard · Discussion · Vote · 2 August 2015 · 16-3-2|
|Amendment 3||Attribution · Vote · 27 August 2015 · 13-0-0|
|Amendment 4||Creation Club content · Vote · 25 September 2017 · 23-3-0|
|Amendment 5||Creation Club article placement · Vote · 25 October 2017 · 15-5|
|Amendment 6||Creation Club on mainspace · Discussion · Vote · 20 March 2018 · 15-5-2|
|Amendment 7||Deleting Torn and Lionheart · Vote · 7 June 2020 · 12-0-0|
|Related topics||Content organization guideline · Article layout guideline|
|Policy vote forum overview|
|Guideline||User conduct guideline|
|Amendment 1||Comment policy · Vote · 18 January 2011 · 4-3|
|Amendment 2||Talk page blanking · discussion · Vote · 11 March 2012 · 16-4-1|
|Amendment 3||Signature image size · Discussion · Vote · 24 January 2013 · 8-3-0|
|Amendment 4||Multiple accounts · Discussion · Vote · 15 June 2013 · 8-2|
|Amendment 5||Article talk pages · Discussion · Vote · 15 October 2013 · 8-2-1|
|Amendment 6||Plagiarism enforcement · Vote · 27 August 2015 · 13-0-0|
|Amendment 7||Mandatory edit summaries · Vote · 8 October 2021 · 18-10-2|
|Amendment 8||Editing user and talk pages · Discussion · Vote · 8 April 2022 · 11-0-0|
|Amendment 9||Multiple accounts and block carryover · Discussion · Vote · 8 April 2022 · 11-0-0|
|Related topics||Administration policy|