Forums: Index > Wiki proposals and applications > Adminship request - OfficialLolGuy

Hey everyone, I'm the OfficialLolGuy, otherwise known as Broc/Broccoli. I made this thread to apply for Administrator status, been planning this for a month or two now.

Not really sure what to say, but I've been an avid member of Nukapedia since December 2011, and as an anon since 2009. After several long hiatuses, I've been fully active here again since November 15th, 2013, and I intend to be for quite a while. I've been acting as a Patroller since December 22nd, 2012, and have massively assisted in a wide range of projects, and I'm currently leading two. I play on PlayStation.

There should have been a list of this user's edit counts here, but the edit counts feature is no longer available.

About me

I'm kinda bad at describing myself, but oh well. I'm 16, and live in Manchester, England, I still go to high school. I have aspirations of joining the Army later on, gonna study Public Services in college later this year. I honestly can't for the life of me think of anything else to say.

Why I'm not applying for Moderator status

Endorsed by Agent c, I was originally planning to apply for Moderator status, but I changed my mind today. I realise that there isn't really much need for new chat moderators at this current time, but not only that, I'm not as active in the chat as most of the other chat moderators. And if I recall correctly, we haven't even had any major incidents in the chat since December 2013. Therefore, I'd have no use as being an additional Moderator.

I'm a regular and a familiar face in the chat, as well.

My hours on weekdays are 4PM or 5PM - 11 or 12 PM. On weekends, I can be on throughout the day, and on Fridays and Saturdays, can also be on in the early hours, if I feel like it.

Things I'd like to clear up

I'm sure some of you remember the whole business with me migrating to The Vault, back in May 2012. That incident occurred when I was fairly young, and was led by astray by another user into thinking there were unsolvable issues here and that The Vault was a better option. While I don't want to word this the wrong way, I'm going to be honest as well, but reasonable. I returned here after I had an epiphany on the whole issue. I'm sure most of you know my feelings about the split, by now, which I'm not going to get into right now. Regardless, that incident was ages ago, and no longer reflects my current presentation.

Secondly, I've only been banned from the chat once, back in June 2012, when as a joke, I told a guy asking questions about McCarran that he had to go to Dead Wind Cavern and find a secret basement hatch full of hippos he could escort to McCarran and sell. While it was kinda funny, I guess I kinda realise why it went on too far. As before, this was ages ago, back when I was fairly young, and I personally don't think it needs mentioning, really.

What I'd accomplish as an Administrator

My contributions

I've worked on several projects so far, and lead two. I contributed massively to the FO3 and FNV quotes project, and had it completed in December. I've also created quite a lot of pages for the military conflicts project, as well as bringing many up to standard. I also lead the FO3 and FNV cut content project, which is coming along smoothly, and the manual of style project, which we're still in the process of getting underway.

I've also created a myriad of new articles in my time, for cut content, mentioned-only content, etc, and discovering and adding trivia. I even created a map of the entire Fallout universe, here:

I've also added several hundred images for the cut content project.

What I'd accomplish

For one, I'd accomplish the obvious package you'd expect, vandalism, blocking, etc., since I'm on here for quite a bit of time. But in addition, for something different I'd be able to do, I'd be able to sort out my mistakes, such as when I make a page or something incorrectly, or have a problem with uploading an image, which I do often, I can fix it myself, rather than wait for an admin to sort it. I've also had good interactions with users, and resolved certain issues, and even been entrusted with acting on behalf of the wiki offsite before, and so when I'm dealing with difficult users, I can actually converse with them and request them to stop without having to worry about being told off for "playing admin".

Finally, I'd also like to assist Jspoelstra in that redirect deletion thing he's doing, and I'd be able to go through hundreds of the offending pages in no time. And on occasion, I've been renaming pages to their actual names, and they were unsuccessful moves, and only an admin could do it.

But mainly, I'd like to become a representative of this site, I feel I'd be able to do that pretty well.

Last things

So, yeah, can't think of anything else to say. If you think I'd be an okay admin, then vote in the section below. If you want to ask me something, go to the section below the vote section, and I'll get back to you and hopefully satisfy your curiosity.

Also, in case anybody has noticed, I'll have been a Patroller for two months on the 22nd February. By the time the vote for this application finishes, that timeframe will have been reached.

20th February: I read the admins and mods page, and it wasn't exactly specifically clear on the requirement dates for submitting admin requests. So I raised it in the chat room and asked if I could submit a week before the two-month Patroller date so that it'd end on that date, and a bureaucrat and some other chat mods said it'd be fine if I did that, but apparently that isn't the case, so this request has been delayed until Saturday 22nd. On the 22nd, I'll have been a Patroller for two months, and the request'll be re-opened. I won't be around though, since tomorrow morning (Friday 21st) I'm staying at somebody else's house until Monday 24th, I might be active on mobile though, but only for a tiny amount of time.


Poll finished on 12:10 am March 5, 2014 (UTC).
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  1. Yes I admire your goals as admin and support you all the way. We're accumulating more and more admins, and I know they are appointed on an as-needed basis, but someone with your objectives and grit is certainly needed in this position. As for the plagiarism "issue," just based on the comments below, I'm not sure if anything "wrong" was done, but of course I'll know more once we get more details. The way it was explained leads me to believe you just added someone else's claim with little evidence to some page. The only problem here is that there's no evidence for that claim-- not that it was plagiarized. 69.l25 (talk) 18:40, February 22, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Yes One of our most active and consistent contributors, and one that I happen to have a lot in common with. The 'plagiarism incident' is a conveniently timed smear campaign, and could not effect his ability to conduct himself as an administrator anyway. Enclavesymbol.jpg 21:32, February 22, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Yes See my thoughts further down. ForGaroux.png Some Assembly Required! 18:07, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Yes OfficialLolguy is an active editor and has a great community presence. He is pleasant in his dealings with other users and his goals for adminship are commendable. On the plagiarism incident, I do not see enough here for me to change my vote. --MountHail (talk) 18:54, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Yes After much thought and discussion with Chad and others about the subject, I have decided to amend my vote back to a yes. Your response after the air has been cleared about everything that occurred, including what has become clearly an overblown and over dramatized incident of edit stealing (of which the circumstances surrounding come as no surprise due to the parties involved tendencies to blow situations out of proportion) it is clear to me, and I hope to others, that a misunderstanding has occurred and been rectified. Disputes happen, and arguments can get out of hand. Some people handle them better than others, and you have been fairly solid through this storm and drama and that is enough for me to clearly see that you have the capability to become a solid Admin. Your professionalism and communication could use some work in some respects, but that will come with time and handling of the position. ---bleep196- (talk) 02:29, February 26, 2014 (UTC)


  1. No After what Chris and other users have told me about the plagiarism incident and how you conducted yourself, I am not sure if you are in proper shape to handle these rights. I'll disregard the GECK incident, but I still don't have enough faith in your abilities as a leader. As Skire said, effective communication and professionalism are key to this position. That's not to say any of us admins are perfect - none of us are. I just can't quite see you at this level yet. Toci US Air Force.gif Into the wild blue yonder... 02:04, February 22, 2014 (UTC)
  2. No Great editor, but what I've witnessed of your dealings with other users and your views against our practices at Nukapedia leaves me cold to place thrust on you as an administrator.
    Limmiegirl Lildeneb.png Talk! ♪ 13:13, February 22, 2014 (UTC)
  3. No You have wrong facts. You obviously haven't kept a close eye on the Fallout chat if you say nothing major has happened in the last 2 months. TheSurvivor2299 (talk) 17:12, February 22, 2014 (UTC)TheSurvivor2299
  4. No If this had been a mod request, you would have had my support, but I think this admin application comes far too soon. You've been back as an active contributor for about 3 months and it has only been exactly two months since you've been a patroller. While you have performed your duties admirably, there have also been personal and professional issues since that time that makes me question your ability to hold these rights. I do think you have the potential, and maybe a while down the road you will be ready for them, but I don't think now is the time. Addendum: after the detailed report of the incident with Chris, I have decided to discount the incident itself. However, what I can't discount is your response to it, both here and your supposed response in chat. Part of conflict resolution is realizing that even if you didn't intend to cause harm or offend - you did, and then taking the necessary steps to rectify the situation, regardless of your original intention. This is an important part of being an administrator and mediating of disputes, and it's something that - from this one incident - it appears you lack at this time. Until you demonstrate that this was an exception to your character as opposed to the rule, and maybe mature a bit more, my vote remains no. If from this point you start down the right path I think it is very likely you will join the admins ranks in the (not-so-distant) future. FollowersApocalypseLogo.png A Follower  Talk  21:22, February 22, 2014 (UTC)
  5. No sorry, but I can't really say yes right now. I may not have been here much over the past month, but from what I can see you're not as committed to the wiki as I would like an admin to be (like how you did leave us for Starbucks). I don't know the ins and outs of the plagiarism incident but the fact there is one at all is unsettling to me. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard.png 22:13, February 22, 2014 (UTC)
  6. No --NukaTurtle (talk) 00:25, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
  7. No After your recent plagiarism issue, I have to say no. Regardless of how you view plagiarism, the fact is it still happened by the books. And on top of that, your behavior following the event asking about it was also unsettling. I always viewed you as a friend, and it deeply bothers me that you would attempt to run for admin after this. - Chris With no background 00:33, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
  8. No I don't consider you admin material. Call it a hunch. Yes Man default.pngUser Avatar talk.png 06:49, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
  9. No Your editing frequency is excellent, and your ability to write prose is very solid. However, I cannot back such a request until you have improved on your communication abilities and professionalism, two essential aspects of being an effective administrator. --Skire (talk) 22:04, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
  10. No nah bruh Detroit lions.jpg Hawk da Barber 2013 - BSHU Graduate 04:31, February 26, 2014 (UTC)


  1. Neutral: at first it was a definite, "I can't see why not." but now my confidence has been shaken a little. There are a few fresh bruises at the moment that I think are going to need some time to go away before my confidence is restored alongside the community's. --The Ever Ruler (talk) 21:53, February 22, 2014 (UTC)
  2. NeutralI haven't been here long enough to give a yes or no sorry.--Veteran Legionary (talk) 22:01, February 22, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Neutral I could care less about the plagiarism or past happenings, but my concern is the need for another active admin. We already have 9 active admins. Gunslinger470/The-Gunslinger "Some say this user is a Patroller..." Some say this user used to be a Patroller... 04:40, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Neutral Well, Ever just technically said what I was gonna say. After that "incident", I think I need to give it time until it's all completely (or mostly) gone. I still think you've done a great job at editing overall. THE NUCLEAR KING Talk 01:40, February 24, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Neutral I see how you could be a good admin, but i must remain neutral. Also not running for mod based on the fact that no accident has occurred is pretty silly. It's like saying cancer was around before smokes so smoking doesn't cause cancer. Maybe apply for mod and use that as a stepping stone? Admin is a big job... --Vault Tec Fallout 3 logotipo.png "Editing With Triple S Technology" 08:59, February 24, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Neutral I don't know enough about you give a full no but I feel you should grow as an editor but more importantly your professionalism before taking on such a role. --RAMUser talk:Ramallah 21:59, February 25, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Neutral I'm afraid I don't know enough about you (other than what I've read here), so I can't vote "yes," but at the same time I don't think that you're a bad editor, so I can't vote "no." Sorry. Leea (talk)
  8. Neutral I don't see any real negatives here, or at least the ones that were there seem to have been resolved. But I didn't go full yes because it is still a bit soon and also we have added two admins very recently. --FFIX (talk) 00:57, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Excluded votes

  • # Neutral My original vote was a resolute yes. I voted this way because I had seen your activity and the quality of your edits as well as how you carried yourself in regards to other editors. However that view has been somewhat shaken by the recent events that have evolved around the question of whether or not you plagiarized that information. I am very concerned about your demeanor towards the situation, plagiarism, even of something so small, is not a small matter we can ignore or wave to the side. The stealing of information/ideas without attributing them to your source is not an accepted practice here or anywhere in the academic or professional world. The way you have handled and reacted to the situation has made me question very greatly the integrity of your character and your ability to use the rights we would grant you through this request. I still believe you are a good editor, but I question now whether or not you can properly handle the responsibilities and make appropriate judgement calls when it comes to material that come with adminship. ---bleep196- (talk) 16:56, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

Comments, questions, etc. (original)

Thanks for your votes so far everybody, I really appreciate them. And thanks Garoux, about that, I do sorta look up to them in a way. When I've done that before, it was because it was with the type of user that tries to continue arguing for some reason, even though the answer to the discussion is clear. But yeah, you are kinda right, I'll try and improve on that. User OfficialLolGuy.png  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  01:59, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

You do excellent work. And with the extra tools, you will gain an identity for yourself - which is why I only consider my point some minor criticism to think about as you make the transition. I have to say, with Pally and Follower also having ran, our Administration is going to be gaining a good bit of new diversity. :) ForGaroux.png Some Assembly Required! 02:02, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Take my vote as a conditional yes, but I don't think you qualify to make this application (even if you will by the time it's over). The policy states the following:

If you meet the requirements above and want to become an administrator...(yadda yadda yadda)...then you need to start a thread...(yadda yadda yadda)— Special rights requests policy

I would love to have you on the administrative team, even though this caught me a bit by surprise. I just don't think you qualify yet, as it states that you must already have the prerequisites to make the application. The only exception to this rule that I can remember is Limmiegirl, who went straight up to admin like 22 days after she became a patroller. If a BC can waive that policy requirement in this case, then take my yes vote. If this needs to be postponed until you have a full two months of patrollership under your belt, I will still vote yes pending nothing in your behavior brings up a red flag in the next week. Toci US Air Force.gif Into the wild blue yonder... 02:28, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

I discussed this with Chad and a few others the other week, they said it would be okay. Basically, the poll expires on the 22nd of February. On that day, I will have had Patroller status for two full months. I don't personally really see much of a problem with this setup. User OfficialLolGuy.png  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  02:32, February 15, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I don't see any problem either: you have both bureaucratic permission and you will meet the requirements in just a few days. If the bureaucrats allowed you to post this before the time requirements, then concerns about this request's validity are quite null. 69.l25 (talk) 02:39, February 15, 2014 (UTC)
It's all fine and good that you don't see an issue. I, however, do. The way I see it, rules and regulations are there for a reason. And one of them establishes a minimum requirement for the various positions on this wiki. They're there for a reason. It was determined to be two months, not a week short, or not two months, provided the second month ends some time during your request. My concern is if exceptions to the rules, which is what I see it as, starts here, where does it end? And more importantly, what image does that send to users? One that shows we'll bend the rules for ya if you've been around long enough? One where it's ok if you don't meet the minimum requirements, even if it is only short by a week, because you're well liked or you have good intentions? The rules are there to apply to all. Not some. Richie9999 (talk) 04:37, February 15, 2014 (UTC)
My vote remains, but I agree that policy needs to be followed here. When the time comes that you meet the requirements, my yes vote will still be there. 04:42, February 15, 2014 (UTC)
You know what, I agree with Richie on this one. This request can be closed and another can be opened once the requirements are met; it's that simple, and we wouldn't need to mess with the policy. I've removed my vote until then, but I intend to vote "Yes" once the new request comes. 69.l25 (talk) 05:12, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Doesn't matter. Your concerns are quite null. Toci US Air Force.gif Into the wild blue yonder... 05:37, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

What concerns? 05:37, February 15, 2014 (UTC)
I was poking a little fun at 69. "Then concerns about this request's validity are quite null." ;) Toci US Air Force.gif Into the wild blue yonder... 05:41, February 15, 2014 (UTC)
I'm not that anon, so your concerns are quite null. 69.l25 (talk) 05:43, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

I (Leon) am anon 69, by the way. Sorry I am not signed in - I am currently traveling and am not at home on my personal computer. 06:14, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Comments, questions, etc. (1.2)

Just a couple of points
  • I have been persuaded that restarting clearing the existing votes and asking users to revote is a good idea in line with recent events; I will be leaving existing comments. I have asked Skire to courier out a message to previous voters at his earliest convenience. Apologies for any inconvenience.
  • Just on the "Plagarism" event I see a recent vote has mentioned it. I haven't had a chance to talk to Chris yet, but I have spoken with a number of witnesses and lol guy himself. I have been able to piece together the following narrative, please feel free to correct me if I am misremembering or have got the wrong end of the stick:
    • Over on another Fallout Wiki, Ausir was asked about the origin of the term "Core region".
    • Ausir replied that it came from Van Buren, and JES's pen and paper system. No evidence was offered to back this.
    • There seems to have been a discussion in chat about this development.
    • Lolguy proceeded to add this claim to a page.
    • It was felt by some that this may be "plagiarism" and there was some unhappiness over "edit Stealing" by lolguy making the change.
    • There seems to have been some disagreement in chat following this.
Although I wouldn't call the investigation "closed" as I haven't yet talked to Chris, in consultation with others we have some preliminary findings.
    • Repeating a fact mentioned elsewhere is not plagiarism. If the entire sentence containing the fact was copied verbatim this might be plagiarism, if it contained a significant number of words dressing the fact, then it definitely is. Examples:
      • Jose is Mexican - Probably not Plagarism to copy.
      • Jose epitomises the stereotypical Mexican - he is hard to miss with his wide sombrero, extra large Poncho and handlebar moustache. - Probably (almost certainly even) Plagarism if copied.
    • Edit stealing - If people are discussing an edit in chat, it is definitely bad form to jump in ahead of them and make a change. There is no "strict" rule against it, but persistent edit stealing, or edit stealing with the intent to annoy the edit proposer may count as "being a dick". If someone is discussing a proposed change in chat, by all means be a part of the conversation, but don't edit until there is both consensus about what the edit should be, and who should make it (I would usually expect the proposer to be the person making it, unless there is agreement otherwise).
    • It doesn't matter who makes a claim - even if they are as prolific a user as Ausir. Unless they have personal knowledge from personal involvement (i.e. - Developers), we should be verifying all claims. As it is, we cannot find any verification of the term "Core region" being used in Van Buren, although we think we have found confirmation on it being used in JES's system.
Agent c (talk) 13:59, February 22, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for that Chad, I didn't see your above post explaining it, I'm on mobile, so the wiki's really messed up and pages don't update properly, so my posts on this page will probably be kinda awkward until Monday.

As for Chris, and the "edit-stealing", it didn't really occur to me at the time. I guess I can sort of understand his issue with it. Normally, I'd apologise, but due to the way he's acted about it and how he's took it far too seriously and out of hand (imo), I'm not that sure really. User OfficialLolGuy.png  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  14:16, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

@Toci: There wasn't any plagiarism at all, don't worry about that. Chad and a few others looked at the issue, and the truth came out and it was decided no plagiarism occurred. I didn't even copy anything, and there was nothing to attribute. Bottom line is, we don't credit individuals for finding certain information, that's all there was and is to it really. User OfficialLolGuy.png  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  14:16, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

@Limmie: I can't really think of anything else to say but refer to the "things I'd like to clear up" section again. Why would I be here right now had these issues not been resolved? Why would I have passionate pro-Nukapedia views against the split? Why would I have acted on behalf of Nukapedia and mediated in issues between us in TV in our favour? If that doesn't clear it up, then I'm not sure what will. The main thing I want is to put this ancient stuff to rest really. User OfficialLolGuy.png  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  14:16, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

I am not referring to the Vault defection thing, but to some of your views on our consensus building. It left me with an ill-tasting impression that you would rather heavyhand particular standpoints than actually make the effort to educate users and involve the community. And the way I view it, admins should actually go out of the way to listen to users, especially well-intentioned but unexperienced ones. A good example of that is how you handled the Klamath issue with Modgamers. You're not obliged, nor for that matter even expected to see merit in every issue brought forth by users, but when you do make yourself involved you do have to legitimately listen to the other party's argument. Simply slamming the door on their faces by saying things such as "The decision is final"" and "This topic has ended" is absolutely not the behavior I expect from an admin when confronted with a good-faith concern. For perspective, compare how Agent C responded to the same issue. He not only acknowledged and responded to the user's points but he was also careful to word his replies tactfully, not showing even the smallest bit of condescension.
Limmiegirl Lildeneb.png Talk! ♪ 22:44, February 22, 2014 (UTC)
The thing about that was that the discussion had already neared it's solution point, and yet the user (at that moment in time) just wasn't having it, and even though he/she was asked not to edit anything until the case was resolved, he/she still carried on adding the debated content to several pages regardless. But yeah, I've promised to work on that. In Garoux's vote last week, he pointed out something similar to what you did, and I promised I'd fix it. User OfficialLolGuy.png  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  20:44, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

@TheSurvivor2299: Not really sure what to say for yours. Could you actually explain why you're voting no? For the chat, that may be, I don't know. In my available hours, there's hardly anything. But if that's the issue, not really sure how it could be a problem. User OfficialLolGuy.png  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  17:27, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

Do not feel too bad for that vote. As seen when they voted on Paladin's request, this new user has no idea what they are talking about and who anyone here even is. They just created an account, so they are in no position to declare anything of importance has happened in chat lately. ForGaroux.png Some Assembly Required! 17:30, February 22, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, after the way he or she attacked this community, I'd be surprised if anyone takes this user seriously as of right now. 69.l25 (talk) 21:33, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

It's not what you actually did (that wasn't plagiarism). I am concerned with how you handled yourself when Chris asked you about it. That, and a few other minor things that have added up, is not letting me have enough confidence in you to vote for you to have these rights as of right now. Toci US Air Force.gif Into the wild blue yonder... 03:27, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

I didn't bother discussing it was with Chris and Paladin at the time due to the "stealing" drama before and the fact I had no need to at that time, and because they both held a fairly meaningless hostile and oppositional behaviour at the time, so I decided to just leave it. Had an administrator instead actually properly took the Core Region issue up with me, I'd discuss it with them as usual. And as for the "stealing" argument in the chat, roughly the same reason, they out of the blue had a ridiculously hostile tone for nothing really, so I just decided to leave it. User OfficialLolGuy.png  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  17:04, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

@Chris: There was no plagiarism at all, the issue's been discussed heavily and solved. Regardless, I'm not going to discuss the apparent "plagiarism" any further, since as I said just then, it's solved and there really is nothing further to add. As Eden said, there's really no way this should affect anything, and it shouldn't, really.

If you ask me, I think you, Chris, are taking this personally and far too seriously, you actually seem a fair bit driven about the plagiarism, with comments like "it deeply bothers me you would run for admin after this". In all honesty, that does go with it, and that is fairly over the top and kind of emotional. The only time you've ever mentioned the Core Region edit in the chat is just after you go on about the "edit-stealing" (which there was none of), and only after discussing that. Paladin was actually the only one discussing the Core Region issue in fact, you were just waffling on about nothing but the "stealing" meanwhile. Even with the "edit-stealing" you were fairly over-emotional in my eyes, with remarks (I got tipped off by an anonymous individual) such as "I was really upset about what happened". I'm sorry, but regardless of what anybody thinks of what I'm about to say, you just can't be serious. You took something so tiny and irrelevant, as well as not intending any disrespect, and you made it into a drama and took it way too far, and what I unintentionally did amounts to nothing compared to your reaction and future approach to it. Had you not squared up to me and been ridiculously hostile in the minutes after the Westside page incident,, and then spending the next week in the chat ruining my name and reeling for guilt trips, I would likely have understood, and apologised. Like I said above, normally I would've apologised, but with the way you acted about it and how you are now, it's not happening.

I pretty much have a small hunch you're only taking the Core Region issue to the level you are because of the "stealing" case, since the "edit-stealing" is a smaller issue and not as widely covered, and out of some needless sense of anger, maybe I'm wrong, I don't want to jump to conclusions, I'm just analysing it all, but it really does seem that way. Chill. User OfficialLolGuy.png  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  17:04, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I really don't know enough about the core region issue to talk about it. I don't know if I've confused you or anybody else, but my issue isn't really with the core region issue, as I don't know much about that. "...spending the next week in the chat ruining my name and reeling for guilt trips" What? I haven't been in chat more than 2 or 3 times since the incident, and I've only told a couple people. I wouldn't have told anybody if witnesses at the time hadn't told me it was a major issue that needed bureaucratic attention. "Like I said above, normally I would've apologised, but with the way you acted about it and how you are now, it's not happening." If you feel like you should have apologized about an incident, clearly there was an issue. But with responses equaling "I did something wrong, but since you told other people what I did, you're the one with the problem, not me." then I think the community can see where the issue lies. - Chris With no background 21:14, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

@Jasper42: It's like I said to Limmie before, why would I still be here? Why would I have acted and fought on Nukapedia's behalf before? As for the plagiarism issue, safe to say it's been resolved, it was just a case of a user exaggerating an issue and misinforming the bureaucrats about it, to which the bureaucrats investigated the case and officially realised I hadn't plagiarised anything. User OfficialLolGuy.png  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  17:04, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

@Bleep: If you looked into the situation and Chad's above post, you'd see that the bureaucrats analysed the accusation and found no acts of plagiarism. Really can't see why people still continue to raise the issue, but it's getting ridiculous now. To simplify it, on The Vault, Ausir and some others had a conversation on a talk page discussing uses of the term "Core Region" in the design documents for Van Buren and Sawyer's Fallout (which there are). The only thing I did was put a ref tag on the Core Region article over here and put nothing more than "Van Buren and J.E. Sawyer's RPG design documents". We don't credit people for finding things, there was nothing to attribute. And as for the "edit stealing", that was a one-off mistake that was taken way overboard. User OfficialLolGuy.png  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  17:23, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

@Ever and Nuclear King: Even though, as has been explained a multitude of times by not only me, there was no incident. User OfficialLolGuy.png  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  01:43, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

Here is the deal: when I first met you, you were brash and vindictive, to the point where you left to The Vault with a spiteful notice of 'desertion', lied to me afterwards, and then proceeded to copy projects over to The Vault without proper attribution. To be quite honest, at the time, I was more than happy to see you go. But since you decided to come back, I have seen nothing but a great work ethic and diligence.

A few interactions have been less than desirable, but putting that aside and looking at everything else, I see that you are a regular chat presence, a regular in our community features, well known even by our users outside of chat, edit regularly with quality edits, and you have shown a great capacity for improving yourself. Being truthful again, I am not sure if you will make a good Administrator. But you have shown the most improvement since MysteryStranger, and he turned out to be an amazing Administrator - so I am willing to take a chance and see if history repeats itself with you.

As for the plagiarism claims, I am not going to take them into account. The claim has not been elaborated upon, no chat-logs or other evidence has been brought to light, and the Bureaucrats seem confident that the claims are either minor or non-existent. Since I do not have any tangible information in front of me as I read this request, I am not going to allow it to influence my vote. So consider my vote still a yes, and I hope it will be a well-founded vote in the end. ForGaroux.png Some Assembly Required! 18:07, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

I also did not factor this "plagiarism" incident into my decision. It seems like there's more hype to it than anything... --Skire (talk) 02:08, February 24, 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough in that case Skire. Enclavesymbol.jpg 21:20, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

Incident between Lolguy and Chris the Saiyan

As I indicated previously, there was a second incident other than the alleged copying from the Vault. This is the brief summary.

  • Chris the Saiyan did some "GECK Diving" and discovered some new information on Westside that was not previously on the wiki.
  • In his excitement, he shared this information with the Chatroom.
  • Lolguy added this information to the wiki without consultation with Chris.
  • Chris was upset that Lol had done this - effectively someone taking credit for his hard work.
  • Chris and Paladin attempted to take this up with Lol
  • What happened next seems to be in dispute as to what was discussed, if anything, between the two.

I've earlier today posted a statement on "edit stealing". The short version is, if a number of editors are discussing a potential edit, you shouldn't jump in and do it unless there's consensus that you should be the one adding it. If you're doing this sort of thing without good faith, it might be grounds for action.

I hope this puts the record somewhat straight on this event. If the two parties or anyone else would like to discuss either event further, I'm sure Lol would be happy to discuss it.

After consultation with the other bureaucrats, we've decided to extend the voting period, and I'll be asking Skire to relay a message to current voters so they're aware of this, and can make any changes to their votes or rationales that they see fit. We don't see a reason to immediately close or block the request at this point, but rather leave it to the community to continue to have their say. Agent c (talk) 22:22, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

This only reaffirms my vote. Information from the GECK should be put in a page; who cares who put it there? It's not as if Chris created his own information, and this was stolen; Broc just added it first. It's still Chris's find; he just didn't get to add the info himself. 69.l25 (talk) 22:27, February 25, 2014 (UTC)
Don't discount the value of receiving credit for good work. If people don't feel respected, or recognized, they go. Agent c (talk) 22:36, February 25, 2014 (UTC)
Why would you expect recognition? We're supposed to be accumulating information; it doesn't matter who puts it there. No one here has ownership over information that comes from the GECK, and demanding recognition, which is not a given, detracts from our focus: the information. 69.l25 (talk) 22:41, February 25, 2014 (UTC)
We don't need to make the incident bigger than it is in my opinion. LoL in his eagerness to edit got a bit ahead of himself without giving proper thought what kind of effect it could have on the other person. He could have handled it better, but it wasn't malice. Forgive and forget this incident as I see it. He's learned from it I'm sure. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 22:46, February 25, 2014 (UTC)
This pretty much covers the whole incident outstandingly. 69 nailed it. Enclavesymbol.jpg 22:47, February 25, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. My vote will not change even in the least. ForGaroux.png Some Assembly Required! 23:01, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

I never really thought much of what I was doing with it at the time, since in the past a few people have added stuff I've spoken about before, and I've even seen it with others, so I always saw it as normal, and therefore when Chris reacted the way he did, it was fairly unusual to me, and the whole thing became unclear to me, so I just refrained from going into the subject. Anyway, I'll be careful of things like this in the future. User OfficialLolGuy.png  OfficialLolGuy  Talk  Blog  23:07, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

It's a good response. It's time for this red herring to step aside and allow voters to focus on your actual strengths and weaknesses. --Skire (talk) 23:59, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

I know I would get upset if I had done a lot of work on something, such as rewriting a whole page, and someone else had added a sentence or something and then took credit that they had done the whole thing (just an example, never happened). I can understand Chris, that would rub my fur the wrong way too. Leea (talk) 12:32, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

But we're not talking about a lot of work here. As LoL says "The only thing I did was put a ref tag on the Core Region article over here and put nothing more than "Van Buren and J.E. Sawyer's RPG design documents"" [1] We need to see things in their perspective. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 12:45, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
Jspoel, the Core Region thing is part of the other incident. The incident between Chris and LoL involved finding a pre-release name for Westside [2] Paladin117>>iff bored; 14:44, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
LoL likes to edit (which is a good trait in my book). He tends to go fast when he does, and on occassion leaps before he thinks it over well. This is another example. Better he should have left the edit to Chris from what I read here, but keep in mind LoL didn't do it to intentionally annoy Chris. He's getting the picture now. I wouldn't give this Westside edit "steal" too much weight, but people have to decide that for themselves, I suppose. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 15:55, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
I absolutely agree. The intention behind an act must be taken into consideration. What OfficialLolGuy did was simply a lapse in judgement and a single, isolated incident displaying poor editing etiquette. It's not a trend; it's not a habit. The entire event has been blown ridiculously out of proportion. --Skire (talk) 20:22, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
And since when is "poor editing etiquette" a trait we favour in our admins? It may have only happened once, but that's only once so far we need to give some time to see if he would do something like this again. It's one thing saying it's not malicious, it's another saying we should just ignore it; whether they are acting maliciously or not our admins should stick to proper editing etiquette. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"UserRichard.png 16:00, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed with Jspoel completely. And Jasp, Lol didn't act out of any malicious intent whatsoever, if anything, this is an exaggerated accident and nothing else. Admins should stick to proper editing etiquette... but last I checked, admins aren't perfect either, nor are they expected to be perfect. Enclavesymbol.jpg 16:10, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
Really, Jasper. I voted no. The focus of the sentence was "isolated incident," which is why it was not a factor in my decision. One-offs like that absolutely should be ignored. They don't establish character; behavioural patterns do. --Skire (talk) 01:28, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Result (original)

I'm sorry, but you don't meet the current requirements for Administrator

You have held the position of patroller, or combined position of patroller/moderator, for a minimum of two months.Fallout Wiki:Administrators

I am happy to reopen on the 22nd if you like. Agent c (talk) 16:12, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Result (1.2)

Turns out there's not enough support to give you admin rights at this point in time. All in all I think it was just a bit too soon. The edit-steal is a non-issue in my opinion. It showed your eagerness for editing at the wrong moment. Just a little error in judgment. What I've noticed is your work on the content, like just now with the Enclave military strength page. Making changes this significant requires research, talent and insight. You're on the right track, just give it a little more time and your next request should work out. That's how I see it. Keep up the good work! Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 23:42, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

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