Forum:Adminship Request - Theodorico

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Request

Greetings, fellow Nukapedians! I'm Theodorico and this is my request for administrative rights.

Intro

I have been here for about 8 months now. My English is horrible, so I'm focusing on the technical stuff, like: botworks, templates, css, images, sounds and e.t.c. These are the main areas in which I can be most usefull for Nukapedia. Also, I'm a pratroller for about 5 months now.

Major contrubutions

• My work for Fallout 3 and New Vegas quotations project.
• Overhaul of FO3 and FNV endings and intros - added sounds, missing slides; clarified in-game conditions.
• Language sections for the tribes of Zion.
• {{Inline quote}}, {{Notable content}}, additional programming for {{ibValue}}
• Botworks:
  • Recategorization of Category:Human_characters.
  • New templates implementation
  • Progress tables for Bug Verification Project

Edit counts

Me: There should have been a list of this user's edit counts here, but the edit counts feature is no longer available.

My bot: There should have been a list of this user's edit counts here, but the edit counts feature is no longer available.

Reasons why

• My work with templates and CSS requires access to protected pages.
• Maintenance.
• Vandals.

--Theodorico (talk) 01:21, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Poll

Poll finished on 1:21 am March 12, 2013 (UTC).

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Yes

1. Normally, I would prefer to see a chatmod history to get a gauge as to how the admin ban tools might be used, and how bans might be communicated. However You have a need, as getting admin access will allow you access to some of the technical/protected areas of the wiki. Agent c (talk) 01:27, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
2. With your reasons for requesting adminship and what you do, I see no reason to say no. Richie9999 (talk) 01:34, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
3. He doesn't have to act or behave as a C-mod if he doesn't want to, but he needs adminship to access a great deal of things he's proven to take an interest in. So with that sole idea in mind, Theodorico should be granted these rights unless not being able to enforce C-mod capabilities is a deal breaker. --The Ever Ruler (talk) 01:38, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
4. With the absence of Porter21 on the wiki we need someone who can step in with first hand technical knowledge. Gunny has done a great job thusfar but I think Theo in an admin position will only further to strengthen the wiki as a whole. ^{nihil novi sub sole} 04:34, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
5. Theo has been a huge help to me, and others around the wiki. If it weren't for him I would still be working on the bug charts. He is a solid editor and knows his way around a bot. I don't think I have to remind anyone that maintenance aspects are mostly bot handled, and once Porter left we haven't really had anyone filling his role. Theo isn't horrifically active in the community, but to be perfectly honest, he doesn't have to be, Admins were around before chat and everything else associated with that area of the wiki, we have moderators for that stuff. With Fallout 4 approaching, we are going to need more people like Theo here. ---bleep196- (talk) 04:55, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
6. He has demonstrated more than enough technical expertise and dedication to qualify for the position. He also shows actual need to have administrative privileges to keep on with his work properly, something that shouldn't be overlooked. Some are arguing he's not community oriented, but I rather see that as a positive feature, not a lack. We have more than enough community admins, and diversity is invaluable.
   
   Limmiegirl ^{Talk! ♪}
7. I support Theo's administrative request as he has demonstrated the know how, and the want to, of an admin. And of course, he needs, and we need him, to have these rights to further his great work here on the wiki. He has my unwavering support. --The Old World Relics ^{(talk/blog/contributions)} 19:54, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
8. His technical expertise would make him an amazing asset to our team, and I would be proud to work with him. When Fallout 4 comes out, we may need to make technical modifications to keep our standards where we like them, and he would prove invaluable there. --TwoBearsHigh-Fiving 20:41, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
9. I could care less how present you want to be in the "community". You have your own niche and it is much more valuable. You'll be able to tinker with MediaWiki and meta-template pages! --Skire (talk) 02:55, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

No

1. - I'm very sorry, but I just cannot vote yes on this request. You do great work around here, and you are very helpful when it comes to templates and such. But that is not all that goes into being an Administrator. Your editing qualifications would easily have me voting for you into a moderator position. And I would fully support you getting into contact with Wikia to give you access for editing our template pages and such as a moderator. But to be an Administrator, you also need to have more social qualifications. You do not know the chat feature, nor how to properly gauge situations that occur in there. Not only this, but you are a relative unknown to most of the community here aside from those you personally work with. You don't really participate in community events, and you don't have much interaction with other users. Until I see more evidence that you can handle the responsibilities of being an Administrator, I cannot in good faith vote in favour of this request. This is nothing personal against you. I just need to see a bit more initiative first in dealing with situations around here and how to talk to other users. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 01:33, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
   
2. Don't even know you, never seen you in chat. An admin should be a little sociable. Plus no one just 'deserves' to be an admin because they deserve to be an admin... that's a sorry attitude. 07:57, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
3. Theo didn't seem to take well to the criticism in the comments section from Leon, and I am afraid of how he'll take criticism on the job. There are others way he could gain the rights he needs anyway. ^{"Semper Invictus"} 07:47, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
4. After consideration, I have been convinced that you are not ready to be an administrator here. ^{"Steal from the best, and call it research!"} 07:50, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

Now I know the normal convention is for bureaucrats to hold their tongues until admin requests have run their course, but I want to make sure everyone knows exactly what Theo brings to Nukapedia:

• He is the only user who knows how to program and run a python based fully functioning bot.
• He is by far the most advanced CSS (custom style sheet, the code that changes the way the wiki looks) editor we have.
• His programming knowledge allows him to construct more complex template solutions than I can, more complex than any other user here.
• He is incredibly detail oriented. I can state this with the many projects I've worked on with him. Give him a hurdle to overcome and he finds a workable solution.

Some of you may not know Theo. He keeps a pretty low profile. I just wanted to make sure everyone knew exactly what he does, and can do (that no one else can), when they vote. Thank you for your time. The Gunny   01:41, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I would like to remind everyone that the Administrator tools are not handed out simply for knowing templates and such, as uncommon of a trait as this is these days. As Administrators, we show up as the people to go to when incidents arise. We have a tab that details each of us, and we also send out auto welcome messages to new users from the last Admin to edit. So while being technical-minded is nice and all, we also have to factor in whether or not they can handle community-issues, and whether or not they have proper judgment. I am seeing little to no proof for these so far, and I would personally suggest having these traits either shown or matured before Administrator tools are even considered. My thoughts. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 01:47, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

• Chat/Social skills/Conflict management - Fair critique, but... well, don't you think that you are setting the plank too high? You are expecting me to be great in every aspect of wiki activity. That's not how communities work. I'm here to offer all the help I can provide, and I'm expecting to get help when I need it - that's what community is for. In short: I'm covering technology, you are covering the chat, together we are performing much better than each one of us apart. Otherwise, let's wait for a messiah, who will be dealing with everything, all by himself. And, please, check my talk page, to see how exactly I'm treating fellow editors.
• "You don't really participate in community events" - How's this or this not a community event? And I'm taking my part - providing technical assistance and workforce. No offence, but, please don't take my input for granted - it's a hard work and from time to time I finding myself doing things I'm not interested in. Why? Because, community wants them to be done and I'm the only one who can do it. I don't really have any choice. Yes, that's my interpretation of taking part in community.

Conclusion: Please, don't dismiss my offer of services, just because I'm not that perfect. --Theodorico (talk) 08:14, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm taking your skills for granted. I'm really not, and I've shown my appreciation many times over for the help that you've provided to Nukapedia. But I've been here since the release of Point Lookout, (I was an anon, too, for a bit.) and I've seen how hectic and stressful it gets. Hell, I became an Administrator after the split with us and The Vault, and there were still days that really wore at me. I have the feeling that most of the current Sysops don't really remember this, mostly being post-split Sysops. So it's not that I'm expecting you to be a God amongst editors before I would consider you for Administrator. What I'm concerned about is whether or not you can handle the stress. Whether you can show proper judgment when you have multiple users and their problems being thrown your way. Because as an Administrator, you will be expected to handle more responsibility aside from purely editing or participating in a few forums that require your talents. And to me, it seems like you've actively avoided the social side of Nukapedia, and I see this as a crippling factor into all of this. So please don't think that I'm depreciating the skill sets that you already possess... that's really not what I want to do. But I do have high expectations, especially after losing so much during the split, and looking at all of these recent failed requests and re-confirmations because it turns out that the users in question weren't up to handling the responsibility properly after all. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 17:04, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I got your point - you are trying to play safe. I can fully understand that, and I'm sure that you have every right to be cautious. But, unfortunately, this is absolutely unacceptable for me. Ok, Leon, thank you for your vote, I really appreciate your concern. --Theodorico (talk) 20:18, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'll be looking forward to seeing how you handle this request, and how you work with the extra tools if they are presented to you by the community. It's just a shame that you haven't been put to the test yet, as to alleviate my concerns. But until I've seen irrevocable proof, I will always have to vote no against anybody running for the extra tools and responsibility. I'm glad that you can at least partially understand my position. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 20:34, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I believe the term for allocating user right is on an "as needed" basis. There is a need for someone with the skills to be able to edit those pages. He has demonstrated the need, and the skills to do fill it. Agent c (talk) 11:54, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to second this, few requests fit the "per need basis" principle as much as his. He needs administrative privileges to do his work, and we need him to do his work.

Limmiegirl ^{Talk! ♪} 08:52, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

A common practice amongst most wikis is asking Wikia to provide different tools for different users. A perfect example would be the bot rights. Theo could easily be a moderator/patroller/regular user and still have the rights given to him to access our css/template/etc. pages if the community here asks Wikia to give him such rights. And I keep seeing a lot of comments stating that they don't care if he's active in the chat/community. These are just minor points I brought up, and I clearly state that my main concern is whether or not he has the proper judgment, or if he can even handle the stresses of dealing with conflict. (Which he has shown to not really have, after leaving for a while over one small argument with one of our Bureaucrats.) And it's left me a bit more concerned when he's been so dismissive of my legitimate critique here. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 20:26, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well, he wouldnt be the first admin to have either of those in his history... Agent c (talk) 01:47, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Not really a legitimate argument, in my opinion. Especially since I'm already seeing these traits right from the start, and they're added onto his minimal interaction with other users. I'm just worried about seeing our standards thrown out the window simply because some of us are in a down-right panic over no longer having a Porter floating about. Especially when there are other options to allowing him access to the pages we're all wanting him to have access to. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 02:03, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

(←) 

• The incident, you have mentioned, took place 5 months ago (see: tp). Just of curiosity: For how long are you going to hold me responsible for it? Even the bans should be forgiven after 3 months.
• You are right, I'm in down-right panic about no longer having Porter21 on our side. And I really don't like your attitude toward him. His input deserves more respect, than calling him "a Porter floating about". Not to mention that your replica shows total disrespect to fellow editors, who are concerned about the future of Nukapedia.
• I'm sharing exactly the same concerns, as you are. The only difference is that I'm not afraid to take the full responsibility. Sorry, if you take this as a dismissive behavior.

--Theodorico (talk) 04:35, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

(←) 

• We all tend to have either the exact same, or at least similar incidents under our belts. But usually, these incidents are made up through proof of growing from the experience by future actions of conflict-resolution. There is no such proof coming from your end when your sole interactions with other users is over technical insight and favours. (I can essentially count on both hands how many people you've ever talked with during your time here.)
• You read my statement wrong. I have never had anything less than the utmost respect for Porter, and I would love to have him and more like him make an appearance here. (He was both our most tech-savvy and influential user here. Even over Ausir, in my opinion, aside from his connections.) What I was saying is that we shouldn't jump at the chance to shoe someone in when they might not necessarily be ready, simply because we're lacking in a certain division. Especially, when like I said and everyone seems to be conveniently ignoring, you can gain the rights you're looking for through Wikia instead of becoming an Administrator. I adamantly believe that you deserve the rights to edit our CSS/Templates/etc. pages. But being an Administrator requires more than that, and personally, I don't think you've proven that you're ready when the first and only conflict that you've had here with Clyde resulted in you leaving even though you had already made obligations with helping out around here with your bot. How can I put faith into you handling future conflict when such a minor event had you running out on us in a heartbeat? How am I supposed to have faith in your dedication to our community?
• Maybe I read into it wrong, but I have to admit I became a bit weary after you made the assumption that I was a chat Admin (I am hardly ever in chat.) as a counter to me saying that you need to be more than an editor to become an Admin yourself, and then using broad statements essentially declaring that you deserve these rights like these instead of asking what you could do to improve or what you might be doing wrong:
  • "I'm here to offer all the help I can provide, and I'm expecting to get help when I need it..."
  • "Otherwise, let's wait for a messiah, who will be dealing with everything, all by himself."
  • "No offence, but, please don't take my input for granted - it's a hard work and from time to time I finding myself doing things I'm not interested in."
  • "Conclusion: Please, don't dismiss my offer of services, just because I'm not that perfect."
  • "But, unfortunately, this is absolutely unacceptable for me."

^{Some Assembly Required!} 05:36, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

You are unwilling to forgive me for anything, you are unwilling to put any trust in me, you are judging me for the crimes I haven't committed yet and you are, plainly, taking my words out of the context. Well, It's your right to do all of this, just don't expect me to take this as an objective criticism. I do understand that you are trying to put me to the stress-test, but this is futile, sorry but you won't get anything. And, yes, I do deserve to be an Administrator, that's why I made this request. --Theodorico (talk) 06:11, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

"And, yes, I do deserve to be an Administrator, that's why I made this request." - And that is unacceptable for me. I honestly can't believe that you would so blatantly express something like that as if the Admin-tools are to be a God-given right to you, and it seems both misplaced and egotistical to me for you to state such a thing simply because you know a bit of CSS and how to operate a bot. More so when you are so new and ignorant of our community and the processes that keeps it alive. (I don't meant that as an insult. Merely as an observation.) ^{Some Assembly Required!} 06:21, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, now you are denying me a right to express my IMHO. Who will make a request, without having the faith that he/she deserves to be an Admin/Chat mod/Mod? I do believe that I deserve to be an Admin, and I'm here to get the community's judgment if I'm right or wrong. --Theodorico (talk) 06:50, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Theo, my man, you don't make a request because you believe in yourself, you make a request because you know the *community* believes in you. Listen to what Leon says about Wikia, you could get the ability to edit .css and all that technical jazz without getting Administrator here. And you're making it quite hard to make me keep my vote yes with your responses to criticism. It seems like you don't take it very well, if I'm going to be completely honest. You've done right by me every other time I've talked to you, but I'm going to be blunt, you come across as immature in your responses to comments, taking advice and criticism as a sign of ad hominem. I had faith in you for a while, but why should I disregard what lies in this here request? ^{"Semper Invictus"} 07:15, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

I expressed my thoughts with a whole honesty, and I addressed every point which I found to be unfair. You are here to judge me, so, do as you believe will be better for Nukapedia. --Theodorico (talk) 07:41, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

As much as I personally hate to continue this after that last quote of yours... I can truthfully say that no one here on the current or previous Sysop team has ever made such a statement, with the exception of Tezzla. (Who was denied, but ultimately given Patroller status until later banned.) And even then, I personally know that most of us, if not all of us, only ran because we were hounded by the community to do so. Chad and I would both be perfect examples. We refused to run for the Administrator tools for months, as we didn't believe we deserved them quite yet, only to be dragged into the chat eventually and having a group of our fellow friends and editors telling us to run that very instance. And, you know, we've all had to accept our fair share of criticism in stride, as well as making sure to ask for it when none was with-coming. You are really no exception to this. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 07:50, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

(←)  Excessive ambitions is a sin, but lack of ambitions is a mortal sin. IMHO. I'm glad that we have cleared with this, before any inconveniences arose. --Theodorico (talk) 08:12, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Cancellation of request

Upon criticism from an acting Administrator, who explicitly equated me with a maliciously minded user, and obviously sentenced me for his misdeeds, and seeing that my ambitions to excel in everything I do is not acceptable for the community, I came to a conclusion that I'm not worthy to be an Admin of Nukapedia. I'm officially withdrawing my request. --Theodorico (talk) 11:09, March 8, 2013 (UTC)