Forum:Adminship Request - Aiden4017

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Hi, if you don't know me I'm Aiden, one of the patrollers, and I'd like to apply to be an administrator.

Contributions

I have been a patroller since August 2019, and am also active in the wiki discussion section, but I am not part of the wiki Discord. I don't have many big ticket works on the wiki that come to mind, but I have made over 5000 edits since joining the wiki with a actual account. These edits have included rewrites, article talk pages, user talk pages, page clean ups, overview and disambiguation pages, fixing edits from new users and clearing up after vandals. Some of my major works include;

• Being part of the clean up of The Pitt (city) last year with DirtyBlue929 and others, and writing the then new section on Wernher's uprising.
• Created page "The Scorch", which was the original page of the Scorched Plague before the official name was known.
• Created overview pages for some chems, including Calmex and X-cell.
• Created overview page for Chinese officer's sword.
• Was involved with the creation of the Chinese pistol overview page with Scribe-Howard.
• Created pages for Sierra Madre security, Saturnite artillery shell, C-23 Megaton, Monday, Jacob Lerner, Last President of the United States, and others.
• After much trial and error created navboxes for Fallout: New Vegas highways and seperate navboxes for Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 perk magazines.

I do feel like I'm skipping a step here, by applying directly for adminship and not a moderator position first, but after reading the wiki policy I do technically qualify for both positions, and believe I can do more for the wiki as an admin.

Poll

Poll finished on 8:26 am May 1, 2021 (UTC).

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Voting

Yes

1. Geomodelrailroader (talk)
2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anarchyjuggalo86 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
3. 异尘余生(talk)
4. Coldwave001 (talk)
5. Quite the opposite from the vote below, we need more edit minded admins. This is primarily a game wiki, not exclusively a social function. And too much emphasis is being put on the pseudo-customer service shtick lately. Great Mara (talk) 21:31, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
6. Although maybe not in so many words, I agree with Mara's sentiment. Despite how many admins we have, very few of them actually edit on a regular basis. It would help to have another wiki-focused person with admin rights. Not to mention I went from patroller to admin without much issue. AllYourFavorites! 21:41, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

No

1. FalloutofStarWars2077(talk) Sorry man, you seem like a nice guy, but I’m going to have to say no considering I’ve rarely heard anything about you. There’s a process to follow, and although it sounds like you would be a good admin, I think the process needs to be followed. Have a good one! FalloutofStarWars2077 (talk)
2. No offense to you personally, but I'd imagine there's other steps before admin. |\| () |\/| /\ |) | Talk | Discord | NMC 17:26, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
3. Branebriar1930 (talk) 08:17, 26 April 2021 (UTC) Admin is serious request, especially skipping CMOD (which I don't feel you have given a sufficient reason as to why), I would personally expect a much higher level of activity and involvement in the community before I would vote yes to any sysop.
4. I respect your contributions and I'm grateful for them, but we need more administrators that communicate and take an active part in the community beyond just editing and in-house discussion. It's nothing personal. I've never heard of you, and I've been on this wiki for a while now, although not as long as others. Whilst you are technically eligible, I believe jumping from Patroller to Administrator would simply do more harm than good for the wiki and the connection that staff have to the community. An army of editors is lovely and it is definitely necessary, but we don't need faceless leaders, and we have a chronic amount of staff members who got where they are with minimal interaction with the people this wiki is for. If you had been a CMOD beforehand, this vote would have been different. TechnoCrusader (talk)
5. Don't take this the wrong way, there's nothing personal here or wrong with your editing style. If you want to be an effective admin, you're gonna need to be active in the Discord server. Otherwise, you'll be way out of the loop as to what's going on. Do that, and I'll swap my vote. Scribe-Howard (waster_93) (talk) 03:13, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Neutral

1. TheEpicOshawott (talk)
2. Sorry man, I had came across your edits and pages before but I'm new Nukapedian. Maybe I'll say yes when I know you better, please understand me. -User:Iantheboi ^(talk) 01:36, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
3. Your edits are good and the talk page interactions we had were always polite and constructive. However, I agree with the arguments stated by both Kate and Leon in the comments. From patroller to admin might be too big a step, especially without any bureaucrat or admin sponsoring your application. Should you decide to run for CM, I will definitely vote yes on that one. --Findabair^{The benefit of the doubt is often doubtful.} 10:04, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
4. I am on the fence, leaning to yes, and pending some of the discussion below may switch midstream. Mara is right, Cmod is not a requirement to be admin, only patroller is, but for me, one of the primary differences between Cmod and Admin, should be the willingness to engage in the Security Desk. I would like to see more interactions with others, how you react in real time as much as in talk pages, since those could very easily be situations you are called upon to deal with as an admin. If this were a Cmod rights petition, I would have voted yes without a doubt. The Dyre Wolf (talk) 08:15, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
5. I am unsure,you did say you skip the progress,leaning to no but currently I am neutral User:Honorguard99

Excluded votes

1. Alconeduae talk 16:44, April 24, 2021 (UTC) User does not meet requirements for voting (no edits or /d posts prior to vote).
2. Anthony 1l (talk) 13:52, April 29, 2021 (UTC) User does not meet requirements for voting (no edits or /d posts prior to vote).

Comments

Hi Aiden, great contributions. Just have a few questions. I think that co-mod is an important step to experience first before admin, at least it really was for me. That few months can really make a big difference in preparing you for the responsibilities, progressive roles and all, as well as additional tools. Do you have plans to become active on Discord? What experience do you have in the social aspect (dealing with conflict, etc.) And what do you mean by do more for the wiki as admin than comod? Let me know your thoughts when you have a chance. --kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 09:45, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I haven't really talked with other users about the differences between admin and moderator, and from reading the policy, it seemed to me that the roles were very similar. But I'm not quite certain. To be honest, the more I think about the application, the less sure of it I am. Aiden4017 (talk) 10:17, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't want to discourage you or reduce your confidence or anything. You are a solid staff member that I respect a great deal, and the policies don't go into too much detail of inner workings, so please don't feel bad for not knowing. The admin role is just a little more involved, with a significant social component that you may want to experience for a short time Discord-side, getting to know the members of the community you would be serving. I only wanted to let you know because I believe the time I spent as co-mod was really beneficial for preparing me for admin. Of course everyone is different, so I will also add that you have my support in any and all applications :) --kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 21:02, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm not inherently opposed to you gaining adminship, as you seem to have a great disposition and you work incredibly hard, but being an admin also requires having a certain social awareness and ability to effectively handle user and editing disputes.

Can you show us some examples of you successfully mediating any situations around the wiki? And I'm also a believer that admins need to be able to provide something unique and innovative to the wiki, something akin to a dissertation of sorts, if you can think of anything that might represent that.

Otherwise, I'd suggest running for Content Moderator instead, which essentially gives you the same editing tools without the responsibility that comes with being a leader and mouthpiece for the wiki. And for the record, if you ran for CMod, I'd vote yes for you in a heartbeat. ^寧靜 19:34, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

I understand, it probably would be better to try for a moderator position. As for examples of mediating around the wiki, or at least attempts to, I can link the user talk pages of some anonymous users who I spoke with about edit wars (mostly the real world weapon comparisons policy), and with a bit more time I could probably link some of the discussions I was involved with from article talk pages; User talk:172.222.180.160, User talk:204.43.235.143, User talk:174.105.55.187.

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Okay, this is getting a bit ridiculous. People voting no based on not having been a moderator or content moderator should be well aware that having held those positions prior has never been a requirement for an administrator position. Editors have always been able to move from patroller to admin. Voters should familiarize themselves with the application requirements prior to voting. Great Mara (talk) 19:43, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

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I thought I'd share my thoughts on the Wiki Discord, as everyone is focusing on my (lack of) participation there. Community engagement is a important part of being an admin, and I understand that, but in my opinion while the Discord is important it shouldn't be our primary focus. The Discord is an offshoot of the community built in the Wiki, the Wiki isn't a offshoot of the Discord, and people are talking about it like it's the other way around. I mostly interact with people through the wiki, on talk pages, and everyone's acting like this is somehow less important than the Discord. Aiden4017 (talk) 04:31, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

The significant difference here being discord is more than community engagement or participating in the social aspects of the platform, important though those may be, and your missing the point reinforces that. Discord houses the one of more prominent, if not primary, means of staff communication with the Security Desk and the Overseer's Desk. You are, from the outset, saying you would like to shoot to up to admin, with no interest directed towards discussions of policy, interpretation of actions and the resulting consequences, information passed from Fandom to the wiki side, dealing with "oh shit" moments, or conversation on guiding the community. I would not vote "yes" for someone unwilling to participate there, who does not value that, or who I have not seen interact with other staff, to get a sense of their abilities to not only moderate and communicate with users, but other staff as well . As patrollers, those doors are already open to you, but you have to be the one who wants to walk in. The Dyre Wolf (talk) 04:27, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm not saying that I won't use the Discord, and I'm not trying to devalue it. What I'm saying is there's no guarantee that every editor is a member of the Discord, but that doesn't mean that they aren't part of our community.Aiden4017 (talk) 06:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

No, not every editor uses discord or discussions. Just like not everyone on discussions visits discord, and not every social user of either platform contributes edits to the wiki. But the standard for staff, what we should all hope to see, should be higher than the "not every user" comparison. This is especially true of admin. Sure, there are folks who did not vote for you because they do not know who you are, and being around the social channels on discord would help with that (it is an area you will be given moderation authority over them, so a lack of trust from a stranger is not wholly unwarranted), but that's not the point I am trying to make. We all have strengths and weakness tied to our skill sets and preferences, and if people have specialities they can lean into, that's wonderful. We do not have a staff cap, so a healthy roster filled with folks getting to help where and how they want is no problem. But regardless of how involved you will want to be with certain aspects of the wiki workload or its culture, being a helpful presence in the Security Desk is one of the things I value most. Unlike talk pages these conversations are immediate, potentially heated, involve several active participants, and often very trying on patricipants. As patroller, you already have access to the Security Desk, but it's not something you have taken advantage of there. And I would want to know if you are a voice of reason, a font of knowledge, or a hothead before handing over the keys to the whole castle. Without having seen any of that in action, it's why many are concerned about the leap straight to admin, without seeing more from you. The Dyre Wolf (talk) 12:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, with decent I am for having a place where creators can meet but Discord should not be used to slander people. I see it all the time everyone on there is a bunch of Z Alpha gamers and they love to troll and pick on us players who are Millennials and Xennials we have been online since they were in dippers and they have no right to slander us we are older and wiser then them they are just punks who abuse chat to get a rise. I yield back to the next voter.Geomodelrailroader talk 07:16 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't have a clue what you're going on about but I doubt it has anything to do with this vote, please don't use it as a platform to complain about unrelated issues. Branebriar1930 (talk) 09:34, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Result

Final count is 16 votes, with 6 in favour, 5 against, and 5 neutral. Aiden4017 (talk) 09:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for the lack of a response, Jspoel and I are still discussing this. Once we reach a decision it will be posted. Richie9999 (talk) 12:29, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, there was some miscommunication/misunderstanding between Richie and me. We have decided we aren't able to grant you admin rights at this time, there aren't enough yes votes, especially from the more veteran users, admins and other rights-holders, and too many no and neutral votes in comparison. That you've appearantly not been that active in Discord has hardly been a factor making the decision, admin is foremost a mainspace position, and we feel you haven't been active enough there. You need to build some more weight in the wiki activitywise and perhaps acquire an inbetween content moderator position. Jspoel 18:15, 8 May 2021 (UTC)