Forum:Administrator Request - Savior D.J

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Hey everyone, I’ve decided to throw my hat in the ring and request administrator rights from the community. With these rights, I will be able to offer additional support to our editorial community on the mainspace as well as to our social communities on discussions and discord.

Nukapedia is currently short on rights-holders who possess the necessary tools to manage our content, protect against vandalism and spam, and moderate the mainspace when it’s necessary to do so. As Intrepid noted in his content moderator request, content management tools are critical in the ongoing effort to restore and improve lost content on Nukapedia, an effort that I have been a part of for the past several months and that I plan to be a part of for the foreseeable future. These tools will allow me to recover and restore lost images that are now permitted under our amended image policy as well as recover any lost pages that have yet to be found. The blocking rights afforded to administrators will also allow me to protect against vandalism and spam when there would otherwise be a gap in coverage. As we currently only have one active bureaucrat and two active administrators, the mainspace can sometimes go for hours without appropriate coverage against vandalism and spam.

I understand that there is a very high level of trust that comes with administrator rights, especially because these rights extend to all three aspects of our wiki. When it comes to moderation, I firmly believe that blocking is and always should be an absolute last resort, even more so in the case of permanent blocks. I will always put discussion and mediation above punitive action. These tools should be used to serve the community and assist our editors, and that is what I plan to do if the community decides that I should be given them.

Requirements

• I have been consistently active within our discord server and on discussions for at least six months, dating back to September 2017 and April 2016 respectively. I have also been active on the mainspace for the past three months and plan to maintain my activity on all three facets of our wiki.
• I have met the minimum of 2500 edits, 500 discussions posts, and 500 discord messages. I have also met the minimum of 5000 total combined edits, discussions posts, and chat messages. I have 45,250 visible chat messages (#3 All-Time), 17,500 discussions posts, and 2500 edits (#59 All-Time on the achievement leaderboard), for a total of more than 65,250 combined edits, discussions posts, and chat messages.
• I believe that I have demonstrated competence in all facets of editing as well as in all functions of both our discussions board and our discord server. Many thanks to Intrepid for showing me the way and assisting me in learning the technical aspects of editing.
• I have held my rights as Discussions Moderator for 42 months, 36 months more than the 6 month minimum requirement to hold moderator rights.
• I have enabled discord two-factor authentication on my account allowing for moderative action.

Accomplishments

• As part of our content restoration and improvement initiative, I have taken part in restoring and improving more than 2000 pages on our wiki alongside Tagaziel, Intrepid, Dave, and LaymansReign, and we hope to increase that number as we go forward.
• I have also taken part in both the Fandom Roundtables and Gunny's Focus Groups, both of which have contributed immensely to introducing new ideas and additional discussion onto Nukapedia in regards to improving our policies and creating better editorial and social environments.

All in All

Thank you to everyone who has helped me along the way during my more than six years(!) on Nukapedia. It hasn't always been perfect, but through it all I have enjoyed my time here immensely and have met some of my best friends through our community, and it would be an honor to be able to continue to serve it using these administrator rights. The Greatest Savior (talk) 00:32, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Vote

Poll finished on 12:32 am August 5, 2022 (UTC).

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Yes

1. of course yes! i've been waiting for this to happen for ageeees. you're incredibly responsible, hardworking and dedicated (along with all the other sparkly stuff) - if anything, this should've happened years ago! best of luck!! UrbanAnge1 (talk) 00:43, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
2. I fully support this. We need rights holders to maintain the wiki itself, and we're very short-handed there. We recently had vandalism occur twice on the mainspace, and nothing could be done except watch it happen and clean up. Cor has proven himself a competent editor and has done more work than anyone to restore the content purges on this wiki.intrepid3597/28/22 7:46pm CT
3. Without a doubt! LaymansReign (talk) 00:59, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
4. P3rson man dude (talk) 02:00, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
5. LLxMystic (talk) I believe DJ is more than capable for the role given his time and experience here.
6. It will be amazing to have an active, involved, and trustworthy new admin! I can't think of a better person for the job. Cor has been around for years and has always had the wiki's best interests at heart. Even though we have often disagreed (and still do), I can agree that what he is doing and will do in the future will only help this wiki improve. Laat the Survivor (talk) 04:14, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
7. Yes, please. Devastating Dave^{ZIP ZAP RAP} 05:22, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
8. From what I've observed cor has been instrumental in reshaping the wiki recently. And in my opinion the wiki is in its best shape in years. It doesn't feel so damn toxic like before. Cor has played a huge hand, I think, in its improvement. And to address Zeal below: There was 0 evidence that cor was leaking Security Desk (SD) and when he was wrongfully kicked out of SD the leaks did not stop. When I brought that up back then nobody seemed to care. And I dont even remember anybody accusing him of covering up for a sock puppet. So idk where that came from. Maybe I missed that but again, I do believe there was no evidence there either. The things cor was accused of were simply out of speculation and held no water. Cor: good luck. Hope this vote goes well. And remember, its just tools. If this vote passes you will have the experience and tools to help others. This isnt about control or power like many people before you have made it about. Jon the Don -JBour53 (Talk to my consigliere) 05:50, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
9. It's about damn time. - Chris 07:06, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
10. As a Fandom wiki rep, I can only wholeheartedly endorse Savior as rightsholder. Apart from editing competence and good social skills, he remembers that wikis are first and foremost a hobby and a fun endeavor, rather than something resembling a full-time job. To borrow an expression, I see this as the final nail in the coffin indeed - of a toxic, abusive culture that masqueraded as positivity and culminated in things I have never seen in a decade of work. Given the restoration of deleted content, increase in community participation, quality edits, and users returning to edit once more, shutting the lid will only do this community good. And as a fifteen year editor, rights holder, and overall a pretty experienced janitor around these parts... Thumbs up, Savior. Тагазиэль 07:14, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
11. I plan on proposing imminently a change in our user requirement to simply examind if there is a need for the tools, and the abiloty to use the tools. Your request in my mind meets both criteria. Agent c (talk) 08:32, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
12. Saxhleel12 (talk) 18:09, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
13. Farengaurd (talk) I feel as if Cor will do great things for The Fandom as Admin,he is a very good choice for Admin. 14:40, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
14. With the amount of work Cor has done to fix up the wiki and restore inappropriately removed, I can't think of anyone more deserving of these rights which will only further allow him to improve the wiki. Cor, you have my absolute full support in this :) Skysteam (talk) 21:13, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
15. Dj is a great person with the necessary qualifications and knowhow to be an Administrator. There is a need for more staff and I think you are a great fit for Admin. Jgrsoto 21:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
16. New California Ahoy 00:29, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
17. I haven't been here long, but I've been around long enough to know that Savior D.J will be a great Administrator! I wish Savior godspeed in his hopefully new position. User:S. Shroud (User talk:S. Shroud) 01:46, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
18. No justification needed that these fine people haven’t already said. You’ve clearly put in the effort, I think it’s time to reap the benefits. Go get it man. FalloutofStarWars2077
19. long overdue. I'd march into battle with this chap. User:PhantomMenace87
20. Michilini 11
21. Aiden4017 (talk) 10:41, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

No

1. I've moved to greener pastures, but I still care about this Wiki and the work done on it. I hate seeing it slowly slide back into the state it was years ago. I already know this vote will succeed and its likely my vote will be disqualified because of my affiliation with another Wiki, but I'm doing this for the record and for anyone reading this in the future. Also consider this my final edit on this site. The list of things DJ has done which should disqualify him from this position is extensive. This includes but is not limited to the many times he has abused his /D mod privileges to leak the security desk channel on the Discord server, cover for the sockpuppets and alts of banned users and otherwise toxic behaviour. His actions up until recently have all been for the detriment of the Wiki. I didn't trust him having his existing privileges and I certainly wouldn't trust him with admin. Perhaps he has turned a new leaf and has changed, as it seems he has been very active in reverting articles. But I doubt this. I see this vote as the final nail in the coffin of this site. Zealous Champion (talk) 04:47, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
2. Same as Zeal Mug | Talk 05:45, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
3. Keulron (talk) 21:37, 30 July 2022 (UTC) Going to have to go with no. Keulron (talk)

Neutral

1. ExplorerSmaily (talk)
2. Branebriar1930 (talk) 08:36, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
3. To4oo4 (talk) I'm not involved enough in the wiki's community to form a decision.

Comments

Is Cor really the person for admin? i mean with his history, would he truly help? He intentionally defended an autumn alt after the discord raid when he should have banned him. And he has done so much worse beyond this. Mug | Talk 07:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, he is absolutely the person for admin. I would appreciate if you didn't attempt to interfere with the community of a Fandom wiki after making your preferences and exit from this community plain. Тагазиэль 07:14, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Though I’m not sure how much I’m allowed to disclose regarding this situation, I will say that the decision not to ban Cole (Autumn) at the time was a collective staff decision. The rationale not to ban was that the rights-holders knew who he was and could keep an eye on him, rather than banning him and leading him to create another alt account that no one would know about. If it broke the rules, it would be banned, but the administrators and moderators at the time were content to let it lurk until it became an issue, and I agreed with their rationale at the time. I will also say that I was not aware of the alt before anyone else was, I learned about it at the same time as everyone else when it was being discussed. As far as I understand, Dyre, Sax, Bleep, and others decided that watching it rather than banning it would be the best course of action. Regardless, this situation occurred more than two years ago and was essentially out of my hands. The Greatest Savior (talk) 07:21, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Can confirm what Cor states here. The decision to not give Cole a permaban was because it was well known he was Autumn, and so staff were aware of actions he was taking on the wiki. This was not a unilateral decision made by him.Saxhleel12 (talk) 18:07, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

As one of the people who weighed in for that decision, I can also confirm/back up Cor and Sax here. That decision was made because it meant we could keep an eye on Autumn since we knew who it was, and thus we wouldn't be playing games of whack-a-mole for weeks. It was far easier to do at the time with so many other concerns. ---bleep196- (talk) 18:22, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Just to be clear, there is not (nor has there ever been) any rule blocking people working on a competing site from voting or participating on Nukapedia. If this, or not blocking/disregarding people because some autocrat isnt pleased woth them is "backsliding" may we continue to backslide. Of course wether or not people should vote if they are involved with the competition is a different question. Agent c (talk) 08:30, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

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I really didn't want to comment on the drama brought to us by members of a sister wiki, but dammit, I'm proud of us, and I'm feeling inspired by Zeal to get some things on the record.

Under the leadership of the prior administration, most of the people who voted for Cor wouldn't have even gotten along due to the factionalism encouraged by that prior administration. Since they've department, I've never seen the wiki so unified, harmonious, and free of toxicity. It just blows my mind, and confirms that the factionalism we once endured departed shortly after April 1, 2022.

I was further surprised to see the level of support Cor received when these needless and false accusations were leveled against him. Again, he is not receiving support from pro-Cor editors, and again, it's remarkable how free of toxicity the wiki has been since the "anti-toxicity" crowd left. Indeed, the only time I see toxic behavior or factionalism now is when that group returns to talk down to us about how toxic we are.

I applaud them for returning, however. There clearly was a culture that inspired backstabbing, deception, factionalism, and toxicity. Until the "morally superior" group departed, the narrative they sold was that we were toxic, and they were (literally) saviors. Now that they've left, we've had the opportunity to evaluate the truth of those claims, and we've found them lacking.

Let's take a look at this culture dispute. Where is the factionalism? Nukapedia is united for the first time anyone can remember. We welcome the other wiki members here with open arms, yet that open invitation is used to attack us. Beyond that, the other wiki has proactively banned anyone they don't like, and they kick anyone who is openly critical. Factionalism is alive and well, just not here.

Where is the deception? Again, we see our counterparts making a false claim that was immediately and unanimously proven false. If it sounds familiar, it's because the leader of the other wiki repeatedly and famously fabricated evidence to accuse others of sexual harassment doxxing, death threats and to pretend rights holders she didn't like had "resigned." That very unwelcome culture is still alive and well among them. It even seems to be expanding.

How about the back-stabbing? Mr. Mug mentioned Cor's alleged support of Autumn, which has now proven false. What he neglected to mention is that Autumn is a permanently banned user who Kdarrow attempted to get unbanned, along with GF... and they, knowing this would be enormously upsetting to bleep, Kate was prepared to "go to war" with bleep over the issue. If even being associated with supporting Autumn is, in their minds, enough to terminate support for anyone in favor of Autumn, I obviously expect these gentlemen to immediately and permanently renounce their support of Kdarrow. To do anything else would be an admission that they didn't take their own claims seriously, which begs the question: what possible motivation did they have to make it? When they do renounce this association they view as being so bad, they are more than welcome to join us here.

I implore the other wiki to take some time to reevaluate their own behavior, question the clearly misleading narratives they've been provided, ask for reliable evidence when claims are made about the good people on this wiki, and stop to think about how their behavior as representatives of the larger Fallout community reflects on their own wiki.

Despite their claims to the contrary, their votes will not be negated, and we're happy to see them here to express any legitimate concerns they have. However, I'd ask that they retract any and all verifiably false statements they've made here. That would demonstrate that their intention truly wasn't hostile and was simply a mistake that is common in the culture that recently departed Nukapedia. In the meantime, let's not get distracted by outside drama. This is, after all, a discussion about granting basic maintenance tools to a well-qualified editor.

intrepid3597/29/22 2:55pm CT