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Hey guys,
After some recent edits to the United Kingdom page and some brief discussions in the editorial bullpen channel of the Discord, I figured I'd make things a bit more formal by opening a new forum, as the last major one was in 2015, before the release of Fallout 4 and 76. Since then, there have been many updates to the pre-War countries page, and what spawned this idea was a slew of edits concerning Ireland, which were added to the U.K. page. Currently, the content policy includes this section on countries:
The page should contain information on that country as it is known to exist in the Fallout universe. It may also contain information of characters that are from that location or who discuss the location without offering any real insight into the place.
Using a language or accent common to the place does not merit inclusion on a page in its own right, nor does an ancestral link or name/world etymology justify a page.”I'd like to see what people's thoughts are on this policy five years later, if it needs a re-evaluation, as well as how it applies to countries that have been referenced in newer games. Ireland is an especially iffy subject, considering many of the last names could have ancestors from Northern Ireland, not the Republic of Ireland, and even just mentions of "Irish" might not necessarily mean the Republic. I think it's clear, however, that the Republic of Ireland did exist, since it was before the Divergence and the green-white-orange flag is shown in Four Leaf Clover perk image and the Shamrock Taphouse logo. I made a draft of an Ireland page on my sandbox. In addition to looking over the policy as a whole, I'd also like some updated community input on the Ireland subject, since that's where this forum stems from. AllYourFavorites! (talk) 22:24, March 20, 2020 (UTC)
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There is a Ireland page on Gamepedia, I assume that with the Merge I can Merge it. However I'll wait for a "yes."--Ant2242 (talk) 23:39, March 20, 2020 (UTC)
- I made the page, and it got reverted for some reason. Whatever. If you want all that had to do with Ireland see the history.--Ant2242 (talk) 01:00, March 21, 2020 (UTC)
I think the last sentence is important to follow to avoid speculative edits. "Using a language or accent common to the place does not merit inclusion on a page in its own right, nor does an ancestral link or name/world etymology justify a page." -Kate (Kdarrow (talk) 00:25, March 21, 2020 (UTC))
- An accent can merit inclusion, as I see it, it's unlikely for most people to just start speaking in an Irish or Russian accent without having some kind of relation to the country of origin. I find it useful to note of everyone from other countries on their home country's page, but I think maybe restricting it to its own section or even just one line of text such as "people from here" would be best. Probably also making it collapsable so it doesn't cause too much clutter. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 21:36, March 21, 2020 (UTC)
I would agree that the presence of the accent itself is worth including, since it is a near unique characteristic. But an accent alone does not denote national origin, especially not in a case where two separate nationalities could claim an accent, as AYF pointed out. But even if this were not the case, it is still guess work to assume. Is it likely? Yes. But likely is not a definite fact. Some relation can include parents, family, or a community who did have a national connection but had since moved elsewhere. It would also be somewhat presumptive to believe that characters born roughly 150 years after the end of the world would claim national origin to countries which may or may not even exist.
I believe this would also open a can of worms regarding general guess work to use various characters voices as definitive means identifying otherwise unspoken character histories. Old Longfellow, for instance, sounds a hell of a lot more like someone from West Texas than Bar Harbor, but that does not mean I can attribute his different and distinct accent to a history having been spent in the south rather than the northeast.The Dyre Wolf (talk) 07:01, March 22, 2020 (UTC)