...
Horses and donkeys are animals mentioned before and after the Great War.
Background[edit | edit source]
Some equidae survived the war, though none are directly encountered and are mentioned only.
Mentions[edit | edit source]
- Dane, one of the Children of the Cathedral, will mention horses in his ramblings.[1]
- A man named Irwin will share information with the Vault Dweller about his donkey, Pugsley, who was killed by raiders.[2]
- When talking to Ethyl Wright, the Chosen One may mention enjoying fermented mare's milk, a mare being a female horse.[3]
- A "Horse Marker" can be found in the G.E.C.K. This is a leftover from The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, similar to the unused "Rumors" function in quests.
- A toy called the Giddyup Buttercup was popular before the war.
- Swank refers to New Vegas as a "wild horse" when the Courier asks for his thoughts on Robert House.[4]
- There is a book entitled Pretty Pretty Horsies: A History of the Mongol Empire available in Fallout: New Vegas. It is a quest item for convincing the Great Khans to break their alliance with Caesar's Legion, by revealing the history of their namesake ancestors.
- There is a horse toy shown on the Big Ranch Nevada State Lotto billboard in the Mojave Wasteland.
- In the Fallout: New Vegas add-on Honest Hearts, the war clubs used by the Dead Horses have been carved into the shape of a horse head.
- On the cover of Tales of Chivalrie, a knight is seen, riding a horse while fighting a dragon.
- There is a drawing of a horse, chicken and cow used in a framed picture near Bunker Hill in Fallout 4. The same drawing appears at an unmarked trapper outpost northwest of the MS Azalea, in the add-on Far Harbor.[5]
- A horse is part of the Paul Revere Monument in Boston.
- There is a horse on a Flatwoods Tavern sign.
- Story Time Miss Nanny mentions horses during the story "Cinderella" that she will tell to the Vault Dweller as part of a random encounter.[6]
- Several different varieties of horses serve as part of the carousel ride at Camden Park.
- Scout Leader Jaggy laments about missing the sight of horses in Appalachia.[7]
- Horses are referenced in the description of the Ol' Painless weapon in Fallout Shelter.
- Horse trailers are found on roadways and in barns around Appalachia.
- Thurston Wellingham mentions a fully-staffed horse riding stable available to children at Bolton Greens.[8]
- Non-game
- The donkey from Fallout is commented upon in the Fallout Bible.[Non-game 1]
- In the graphic novel All Roads, an NCR soldier seen in Chance's flashback of the Bitter Springs Massacre is riding a horse.[Non-game 2]
Behind the scenes[edit | edit source]
- Joshua Sawyer stated during an October 2020 livestream that horses were never considered for implementation in Fallout: New Vegas, as they did not seem appropriate.[Non-game 3]
 | The following is based on unverified behind the scenes information and is speculative and may not be accurate. |
|---|
- On January 24, 2013, Fandom user "StylesV13" added a quote from a personal email claiming to be from a correspondence with developer Chris Avellone.[Non-game 4][Non-game 5] The contents of the email pertain to the appearance of horses in the All Roads comic as "an error (no one noticed it until too late)," Raul Tejada originally mentioning horses in one of his stories, and stating that horses are completely extinct in the Fallout series.[Non-game 6]
- The contents of the email cannot be independently verified. While a quoted portion has existed in this article since 2013, the screenshot of the email did not surface until 2014 where it was uploaded by a different, unrelated user on a separate website.[Non-game 7] Comments on the file suggest it was taken from the now-defunct Bethesda forums, but a link to the original post or thread has not survived.
- When asked about the StylesV13 email about horses in September 2020, developer Joshua Sawyer commented that he was not immediately familiar with the horses appearing as an error in All Roads, the concept of horses being completely extinct in Fallout, or Chris Avellone expressing it. He had "no idea" about this information, and that if he ever knew, it was "lost like dust in the wind."[Non-game 8]
| End of information based on unverified behind the scenes information. |
|---|
Gallery[edit | edit source]
The corpse of Pugsley 
An advertisement for the horse-shaped toy, Giddyup Buttercup 
A book about pre-War stories and legends. On its front cover is a knight riding on a horse, while he fights a dragon 
All Roads depiction
Big Ranch Nevada State Lotto sign, with the woman riding a toy horse
"Napoleon" painting, riding a horse
Hubris Comics Toys advertisement for Giddyup Buttercup
Picture frame drawing
Flatwoods Tavern sign
Camden Park carousel
Camden Park carousel
Horse trailer
Add a photo to this gallery
References[edit | edit source]
- ↑ Dane: "I want a horse! I need a horse! Bring me a horse, dammit! A horse!"
(Dane's dialogue) - ↑ Irwin: "{101}{}{Oh boy, can't you leave me alone? I have enough problems on my hands already.}"
The Vault Dweller: "{102}{}{Problems? Maybe I can help you.}"
Irwin: "{106}{}{This is a tragedy, believe me. Nothing is the way it used to be. I have a small farm outside town and a few days ago a bunch of Raiders appeared out of nowhere and now use my home as their camp. They killed Pugsley, my donkey and they threatened to kill me if I ever dare to come back.}"
(Irwin's dialogue) - ↑ The Chosen One: "{536}{}{But people LIKE gambling, drinking and whoring. I know I do.}"
Ethyl Wright: "{320}{}{(Looks shocked.) Surely you are mistaken. Even a primitive tribal such as yourself can't seriously mean th--}"
The Chosen One: "{321}{}{Nothing like a little communal love, some gambling, and rounding off the day with a few jugs of fermented mare's milk. That's what makes being a TRIBESMAN so great!}"
The Chosen One: "{322}{}{Nothing like a little communal love, some gambling, and rounding off the day with a few jugs of fermented mare's milk. That's what makes being a TRIBESWOMAN so great!}"
(Ethyl Wright's dialogue) - ↑ The Courier: "What do you know about Mr. House?"
Swank: "House is an all-right kind of guy. Sure, he keeps a pretty tight grip on the reins, but Vegas is a wild horse, and you can't just give her her head. Without Mr. House, we'd still be wearing gecko skins, poking around the ruins with pointy sticks and scalping people for giggles."
(Swank's dialogue) - ↑ File:FO4 PictureFrameSquarePhoto04.png
- ↑ Story Time Miss Nanny: "She waved her wand at a pumpkin which turned into a silver carriage, and a family of mice, which turned into a team of horses to pull the carriage."
(Miss Nanny's dialogue) - ↑ Jaggy: "I do miss seeing horses. Such noble creatures."
(Jaggy's dialogue) - ↑ Bolton Greens terminal entries; Facility director's terminal, Outgoing Parental Mail 9JJA890
- Non-game
- ↑ Fallout Bible 8: "1)Did horses (in any form) survive the Great War, within the area of California? Arguably, I imagine that if they did, horses would begin to replace cars as the main mode of distance transportation."
"Nope. Some mules did (the poor mule killed by the raiders in F1), but not for long. Besides, I think that mule was a discrepancy." - ↑ All Roads
- ↑ Fallout: New Vegas 10th Anniversary Charity Stream (reference starts at 6:26:28)
Joshua Sawyer: "There was never any thought about implementing horses. Didn't really seem super appropriate, really." - ↑ I emailed Chris Avellone and that is what he had to say about Horses and All Roads. StylesV13 edit on January 24, 2013
- ↑ Sorry it was me StylesV13 how made this edit about Chris Avellone. I thought I was logged in. StylesV13 edit on January 24, 2013
- ↑ StylesV13:"Hello again,
There is debate in the Fallout Universe regarding horses and whether or not they are extinct. Most people see them as extinct given that we haven't seen them or heard any mention of them in any Fallout game. But in All Roads we see NCR soldiers on horses.
So the question is, was that part of Chase's drug induced hallucination, a dream, or was it to show us that horse are in the NCR?
In the end, it's up the Bethesda, but we would like your view on this matter. Still Bethesda would have been part of the approval of All Roads right?"
Chris Avellone:"To me, that picture in the comic was an error (no one noticed it until too late).
While the end decision is up to Bethesda as to whether horses exist in the NCR, it was never my intention that there were any horses, and furthermore, there were still parts of the New Vegas design where we specifically removed the mention of horses from certain narrative points (one of Raul's stories originally referenced horses, for example, and we cut them because we didn't want to imply horses still existed)."
(File:StylesAllRoadsE-mail.png)
- ↑ Image file page on gamepedia showing an upload date of July 2014., 19 months after the original email.
- ↑ yellowflickerbear: "Way back in 2013, Chris Avellone said in an email that it was never his intention to have horses in the comic All Road. Today, some people are doubting the legitimacy of that email. Can you re-confirm that what Avellone said back then was true?"
Joshua Sawyer: "I have no idea, honestly. If I ever knew, that info is now lost like dust in the wind. Sorry."
(Joshua Sawyer on Tumblr (archived))
Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted.
