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My Legion obeys me, even unto death. Why? Because they live to serve the greater good, and they know of no alternatives.Caesar

Caesar's Legion (Latin: Legio Caesaris),[1] also referred to simply as The Legion, is an imperialistic slaver society and totalitarian dictatorship founded in 2247 by Edward "Caesar" Sallow and Joshua Graham, built on the conquest and enslavement of tribal societies in the American southwest. To enforce unity in the absence of any civilian institutions, the Legion loosely models itself after the military of the Roman Empire, repurposing its language and aesthetics for the post-apocalypse.[4][2]

As of 2281, the Legion controls large amounts of territory east of the Colorado River, primarily in the former states of Arizona and New Mexico, with footholds in Utah and Colorado.[5] Worshipped as the "son of Mars" by his followers, Caesar's ultimate goal is to conquer the New California Republic and merge its civil institutions and infrastructure with the military strength of the Legion, creating a new totalitarian empire.[6]


All territory east of the Colorado River is recognized as Caesar's land, an area indisputably under the control of the Legion and agents acting on Caesar's behalf.Fallout: New Vegas loading screens

In the year 2246, the Followers of the Apocalypse sent a group to the Grand Canyon to study the region's tribal languages.[Non-game 3][7] The group included the Follower Edward Sallow, the Follower physician Bill Calhoun, and the Mormon missionary Joshua Graham, with the last mentioned being a specialist in tribal dialects. Not long into their travels, the group was captured by the Blackfoot tribe and held for ransom.[8][9]

At the time, the tribe warred against seven other tribes and suffered from a lack of skill in warfare. Sallow noticed the Blackfoots' martial ineptitude and feared that their more numerous enemies would soon overwhelm them. Unwilling to leave his and his comrades' fate up to chance, and against his companions' wishes, Sallow instructed his captors in the arts of war, granting them knowledge in gun maintenance, small unit tactics, explosives, and military strategy, drawing largely on what he had read about the military tactics of ancient Roman legions. Under his guidance, the Blackfoots not only defeated but subjugated the neighboring tribes and came to respect Sallow, following him as their leader.[10] Sallow granted himself the name Caesar and began reorganizing the tribals he commanded into the Legion.[9]

Caesar established warfare policies in the Legion based on the Roman concepts of "divide and conquer" and "total war." The Legion defeated the region's seven tribes from weakest to strongest and completely dominated each tribes' land and people, subsuming them into his growing army. Those who surrendered were conscripted and the remainder were either enslaved or killed. Caesar saw the tribes "playing at war," and tribals viewed his tactics as foreign, accustomed only to minor skirmishes and raids that never escalated into major conflicts.[9]

Under the combined leadership of Caesar and Graham, the latter of whom had been declared the "Malpais Legate," the newly-formed Legion led numerous campaigns against other tribes, forming a fanatically loyal army of assimilated warriors.[11] In the early days of the Legion, the powerful Twisted Hairs tribe of Arizona would aid the Legion as scouts. However, the Legion would eventually break the alliance and conquer the Twisted Hairs as they had with many other tribes, erasing their tribal identity and crucifying those who resisted along Interstate 40.[12]

In 2271, the growing threat of the Legion served as a catalyst for the Ranger Unification Treaty. President Kimball recounts during that year, the Desert Rangers of Nevada joined the New California Republic's forces to protect the region against "the tyranny of [Caesar's] regime."[13]

After many years of gathering strength, Caesar commanded his Legion to expand westward into the Mojave and eventually established a base of operations on Fortification Hill overlooking Lake Mead and the Colorado River in 2277. The advancing Legion eventually made contact with the NCR near New Vegas and began a campaign to take the region with their forces consisting of 65 conquered tribes.[10][14][15]

Under the command of the Malpais Legate, Legion forces marched against the New California Republic garrison at Hoover Dam, in an attempt to take the strategic asset and river crossing. In what became known throughout the region as the First Battle of Hoover Dam, The Malpais Legate led a massive assault against the entrenched NCR defenders, seeing some limited early success in routing the NCR from the dam. However, the NCR First Recon and NCR Rangers, under the command of Chief Hanlon, executed a tactical retreat west into Boulder City after using their prowess in marksmanship to pick off the Legion's centurions and decani from afar, creating chaos and confusion among the lower ranks. The Malpais Legate ordered the Legion's elite forces to push forward in pursuit of the enemy sharpshooters instead of consolidating their gains, realising too late that the Rangers and First Recon had booby-trapped Boulder City, laying explosives all along their route of retreat and throughout the city itself.

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When the Legion's elite forces entered the city, the Rangers and First Recon detonated the explosives and inflicted severe casualties on the enemy, crippling their offensive. Shortly after, the remaining Legion pursuers at Boulder City were finished off, and NCR Troopers under the command of General Lee Oliver then counter-attacked, pushing back and eventually routing the Legion's main force after having successfully held the dam. Caesar, angered at the failure of his Legate, made an example of him. The Praetorian guard covered the Legate in pitch, set him on fire, and cast him into the depths of the Grand Canyon. Caesar forbade mention of his name and now he is spoken of only in hushed whispers by the lowest legionaries and slaves, who call him the Burned Man.[Non-game 4]

Though bruised by their defeat at the dam, the Legion did not retreat. By 2281, Caesar's Legion has reestablished its power in the west, rebuilt its army, and has slowly encroached on the city of New Vegas, now with 87 tribes brought to heel (or put to the sword).[16][17] They continue to contest NCR in the Mojave region, destroying several NCR bases such as Ranger Station Charlie and Camp Searchlight, overrunning the NCR town of Nelson, decimating the town of Nipton and sowing discord and terror across the region.



A Caesar's Legion camp

The Legion proper is first and foremost a slave army, the sole owner of which is Caesar. As Caesar conquers the peoples of the wasteland, he strips them of their tribal identities and merges them into his forces. There is no other tribe than the Legion itself. The non-tribal people who live in Legion-controlled territory are not considered legionaries. They are subjects of the Legion, living in the cities and towns under its control, and are generally left free to do whatever they wish, as long as they do not interfere with Legion operations or endanger its position.[Non-game 5]

The brutality of the Legion is a major problem for many, but it also brings benefits. Arizona was once a lawless wasteland, thick with raiders and other threats to the point where crossing two miles without a clash with raiders was considered rare. The Legion brought peace and stability to the entire state by exterminating and enslaving the raider tribes.[18] However, despite this brutal subjugation and the relative peace it brought, the Legion does little to actually govern its territory in the traditional sense, possessing almost no civil institutions or permanent infrastructure, instead relying on tribute extracted from those living in their territory to continue expanding.[Non-game 6]


The Legion is styled by Caesar on the Roman Empire, utilizing several titles and terms based in Latin on them. However those in the Legion do not know of the historical Roman Empire, instead thinking that the entire aesthetic is invented by Caesar.

The Legion Flag is that of a golden bull on a red background, and hangs down rather than to the side like most other faction flags. The Legion Bull appears on the currency, and the bull is often used as shorthand to refer to the Legion. The Nightkin often refer to the Legion as 'Battle Cattle'. The Bull is used to symbolize the strength and fortitude of the Legion.

Legion soldiers dress in red tunics with scrapped together armor often from pre-war sports equipment. Higher-ranking Legionnaires incorporate a T-45d pauldron, supposedly taken from the Brotherhood. Their helmets completely obscure the face using goggles and face-mask.

Caesar uses his likeness in coin minting and is often seen as the pre-eminent symbol of the Legion itself both within and without. One coin shows him as a young man, and another in his older age. One of the coins shows Caesar, Bill Calhoun and Joshua Graham on their journey to the southwestern tribes from which the Legion would arise. This remains the only instance left of Joshua Graham to be acknowledged in the Legion after Caesar forbade anyone to speak his name. This would give rise to a new myth in the Legion of the 'Burned Man'. A coin also refers to the Grand Canyon in Latin.

Another symbol often associated with the Legion is crucifixion, a common punishment meted out by Caesar to any of his enemies that resist. Those crucified are purposefully left by roads so that passerby's see them and associate them with the Legion.


The ultimate insult is to be spared.— Legionaries to yielding foes
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The focus of the Legion's ideology is survival and long term stability at all costs. Caesar disregards democracies as ineffective, fostering corruption, and disintegration. Ancient Rome was a militarized autocracy that effectively assimilated the cultures it conquered, which he saw as the perfect template for a society that would survive and thrive in the face of the challenges of the post-nuclear world. By dedicating its members to a higher ideal, he seeks to prevent humanity from fracturing and destroying itself again.[4] He believes that the only way to achieve this is through enforcing a nationalist, imperialist, totalitarian, homogeneous culture that obliterates the identity of every group it conquers. The individual has no value beyond his utility to the state, whether as an instrument of war or production.[2]

A natural consequence of this is the emphasis placed on personal sacrifice. Victory cannot be achieved without sacrificing blood and life. To this end, the Legion shuns robots, as they firmly believe that mankind requires warriors and their sacrifice, rather than gadgets that allow for bloodless victories.[19] The Legion also forbids painkillers and other chems (including medically beneficial chems like stimpaks) as detrimental to the human condition and Caesar's long-term plans to reshape humanity.[20] Ignorance of medical science among the legionaries also ensures that only the hardiest will survive and go on to become deadly veterans.[21]

Politically, this philosophy is expressed in a general disdain for democracy as a weak and ineffective system that fosters disunity, greed, and self-interest at the expense of the collective and the greater good. Caesar cites the NCR as an example, focusing on government corruption by wealthy brahmin barons and landowners, greed permeating every level of society, all leading to the abandonment of the collective and the greater good. The Legion is intended to be the Republic's opposite, shunning democracy in favor of a strong, centralized rule that would prevent fragmentation and internal weakness. The conquest of NCR will establish a new order, akin to the Roman Empire, complete with the transformation of the Legion from a marauding army into a domestic military force.[Non-game 7][Non-game 8][Non-game 9][22]

This opposition is based on a loose interpretation of Hegelian dialectics, where the thesis (NCR) and the antithesis (Caesar's Legion) will inevitably form a synthesis at the resolution of the conflict, eliminating flaws and leaving a new quality, with common elements and ideas. He likens the situation between the NCR and the Legion to the transformation of the ancient Roman Republic into the Roman Empire.[23][24]

Social structure[]

The Legion employs a very strict hierarchy and clear division of roles between the sexes. Legionaries are the main fighting force of the Legion, composed of able-bodied men enslaved by the Legion or born into it. They have only one purpose: to fight for Caesar until they fall in battle. This principle is imprinted into each legionary during his reconditioning or upbringing (for those born into slavery), creating fanatically loyal soldiers. Unlike the Roman Empire, experience and veteran status have no bearing on a legionary's position. While they receive better equipment as they advance, this is solely for the purpose of accomplishing more dangerous and complex tasks, with much smaller tolerance for failure. They have no personal freedoms or rights.[Non-game 10] Their only real choice is where and when they die for Caesar, to whom they are disposable tools, discarded the moment they stop fulfilling their purpose.[Non-game 11][Non-game 12]

Women are expressly forbidden from fighting, being considered breeding stock as well as being treated as money to be rewarded among Legionaries.[25] They are caretakers, healers, midwives, and breeders, fulfilling roles essential to maintaining the Legion's continuous campaign of expansion.[26] Of particular note are the priestesses, who raise children taken from their parents and raise them in keeping with Caesar's doctrine.[Non-game 2]

Many members of the Legion express condescending or misogynistic opinions of women and their non-combat roles. The Legion justifies the sexist segregation of genders in their society with the principle of minimax, Caesar strictly divides the duties between the sexes in order to fully utilize their potential and optimize the Legion's might. By forbidding women from engaging in combat, he increases the likelihood of their bearing of children, especially necessary due to the high infant mortality resulting from the low level of medical care.[Non-game 1] Population growth is required for expansion, providing a greater number of warriors to use in military campaigns. Caesar himself is not particularly prejudiced against any sex, or rather, treats them both instrumentally, like pawns on a chessboard.

In order to maximize breeding and eliminate factors that might lower it, Caesar has decreed homosexuality a capital offense[3] and mandated child quotas from all legionaries.[27]

Despite this, it is believed that by many in the NCR and even in the Brotherhood of Steel that - similarly to the actual Roman empire - homosexuality is present within the military but on either a "don't ask, don't tell" basis to openly gay relationships. Veronica, when asked about the Legion, states that they "Mount their soldiers as much as they mount their women."[28] Cass also states to a male Courier with the Confirmed Bachelor perk when asked about caravan life that she "doesn't like soft living or soft men" to which the Courier may reveal his lack of sexual or romantic interest in women leading Cass to state that he has a "Legion outlook on things".[29] Major Knight also confides to a male homosexual Courier that the Legion is "a little more forgiving about... friendships."[30]

It is unclear how the Legion views cannibalism, but it does not dissuade Caesar from working with members of the White Glove Society to further his goals.[31][32][33] It is also believed by some NCR citizens that those in the Legion practice cannibalism.[34]

The Legion evidently tolerates submissive mutants, or at least ghouls.[18] Due to their limited numbers, Caesar does not consider super mutants and ghouls as a relevant issue.[Non-game 13]


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Non-enslaved people living under the Legion are primarily inhabitants of non-tribal communities that existed before the rise of the Legion and have been left free, as subjects. Instead of enslaving skilled people and cutting into their power base, the Legion opts to enslave tribes (in areas they dominate, such as Arizona and New Mexico). In certain cases, within active war zones like the Mojave or NCR-controlled territories, the Legion will make an exception and enslave non-tribal persons.[Non-game 14]

Those who are spared this fate and become subjects enjoy superior stability and security, thanks to the Legion's governance. Inhabitants of Legion towns enjoy a stable, consistent flow of electricity and water, a steady and ample food supply, and very low crime and corruption levels. They enjoy safe and productive lives with one caveat: never disobey or disturb the Legion. Caesar's men only ask once and the order has to be carried out without question, even if it means resettling fifty miles away at a moment's notice. This generally means that Legion subjects have little if any, political freedom, rights, or say in what happens to their communities.[Non-game 15] However, if one keeps quiet, goes about their business and fulfills the rare request the Legion has, then Caesar is a peaceful and caring lord.[Non-game 16][35] Many people don't consider Legion rule to be a problem, as even before Caesar's rise, they had little say in the chaotic wastes.[Non-game 17]

Legion territories are also very profitable for traders. Traders can travel on their own without guards most of the time in Legion lands, as all bandits were either ruthlessly exterminated or chased off. Any incursions into Legion lands or against its people are invariably and mercilessly punished; even the savage Fiends think twice before troubling Legion caravans. Coupled with the absence of heavy NCR taxation out in the frontier, many traders stick to Legion lands for regular trading, though some cross the river to trade with the NCR from time to time, and the Legion apparently does not try preventing them from doing so.[36] The Legion holds firm to their ideology against drugs and alcohol, punishing those they capture with the illicit substances severely.[36][37][38]

Slaves and outsiders[]

Anyone outside the Legion ranks or under their rule is considered to be "dissolute" or are called "profligates," referring to those lacking morals. Freshly caught humans are called "captures" and are considered the lowest of the low. Their only right is to be tested as a slave. If they do not meet the requirements, they are killed.[39]

Slaves are one step above captures and consist of captured humans unfit for combat duty as a legionary. They are expected to adhere to the virtues of a slave (honestas, industria, prudentia - honesty, industry, and prudence) and follow their master's orders without question.[40] They are given a new name and wear rags with a bright red X painted over the chest.[41] Some captures and slaves are forced to wear slave collars to ensure their docility.[42]

Slavery is managed by the Consul Officiorum ab Famulatus. Consul Officiorum typically acts through his representatives or administrators, who handle sales, bargainining, and issuing legal documents, such as bills of sale. The Legion treats documentation with exceptional care, especially when pregnant women are concerned: Slavers may receive subsequent payments if the child is born.[43]


The vocabulary of Legion members is a mixture of Latin and English. There was no soft ⟨c⟩ in classical Latin, where it was always pronounced as /k/, such as in their pronunciation of Caesar's name as /ˈkaisar/. Individuals outside of the Legion generally use the Modern English pronunciation of /ˈsiːzər/. Legion members are fastidious about classical Latin pronunciations, including the /v/ to (w) phonology, heard in the greeting "ave" (hail) as "ah-wey" or in how Vulpes Inculta introduces himself, pronouncing his first name as "wool-pes." Those outside of the Legion that have come in contact with them may use the pronunciations interchangeably.[44] Legion members are called "legionaries" (as opposed to "legionnaires," which is a modern phrase used by the French Foreign Legion. Those who are liked by the Legion are called "amicus," Latin for comrade/friend.


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Caesar's Legion uses two forms of currency, named for coins used by the Roman Empire. They are minted by the Legion from scavenged silver and gold, with each coin bearing the profile of Caesar.[Non-game 18]

Despite Caesar's poor relations with the other factions in New Vegas, Legion currency is still accepted as payment in the Mojave Wasteland, owing to the rare precious metals that they consist of.[Non-game 19] The exchange rate is 4 bottle caps to 1 denarius, and 100 bottle caps to 1 aureus.


The denarius (silver), which bears an image of a younger Caesar on the obverse and Caesar, Joshua Graham and Bill Calhoun on the reverse. The inscriptions are in Latin, "Caesar Dictator" meaning "Dictator Caesar" or "Absolute Ruler Caesar" on the front and "Magnum Chasma" meaning "Great Abyss" or "Great Fissure" on the back, referring to the Grand Canyon. The symbolism is simple - the denarius commemorates young Caesar's journey to the Canyon and his first victories as a dictator of the Grand Canyon tribes.


The aureus (gold), which bears the portrait of the older Caesar on one side and the symbol of the wider Legion, the bull, on the other. The inscriptions are in Latin, "Aeternit(as) Imperi(i)" meaning "eternity of rule" [Non-game 20] on the front and "Pax Per Bellum" meaning "Peace through War" on the back.


The Legion enforces the Cult of Mars, a pseudo-Roman neopagan-based cult of personality focused on worshiping Caesar as the Son of Mars, as the state religion. It began in 2250 when Caesar declared himself the Son of Mars, ordered by Mars to conquer all of Earth. To facilitate this conquest, Mars cleansed the Earth with fire, bringing humans to their lowest ebb. Caesar's divine duty is to deliver the wasteland from chaos and barbarism. Caesar's divine status allows him, in the minds of the Legion, to demand servitude from everyone. The general rule is that obeying and following him is to follow the will of Mars.[Non-game 2][45] By extension, disobedience is synonymous with condemning oneself to death.

The religion is strictly enforced. To prevent dissent, children of slaves are removed from their families and indoctrinated by priestesses of Mars. The appearance of divinity is maintained through enforced ignorance. Legionaries are taught to believe (or made to) that all of the customs enforced by Caesar were dictated to him by Mars himself.[Non-game 2]

While to most this comes with no problems, the education of the average wastelander being what it is, Caesar truly fears the educated men, most importantly the Followers of the Apocalypse. To prevent his grand plagiarism from being discovered, the standing order is to kill Followers on sight or deliver them (and any other learned captures) to Legion interrogators. Those that make the mistake of speaking out about this end up executed and their severed heads on spikes.[Non-game 2] In addition to Caesar, Mars also appears to be worshiped by legionaries, although there is no mention of the other Roman gods.[45]


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Caesar has patterned his slave army after the post-Marian reform Roman Imperial Legions. What follows is a breakdown of the organization of the Legion.[Non-game 4]

  • Caesar's Legion: The entire army, led by Caesar (political leader) and a favored legate (military commander).
  • The Legion is divided into cohorts of 480 men, which are divided into:
  • Eight centuriae of 80 men, each led by a centurion, which divide into:
  • Ten contubernia of 8 men, each led by a decanus. The contubernium is the squad-level unit of organization and the usual size of a task force tasked with skirmishes or harassing larger groups of opponents.

One feature of the Legion is that the rank is determined by experience and merit in combat. The least seasoned legionaries (equivalent to pre-Marian hastati or post-Marian auxiliary skirmishers) are typically fielded first during a battle, allowing them to prove their mettle in combat. Those who survive and prove themselves on the battlefield become prime legionaries (equivalent to the pre-Marian principes), eligible for command as a decanus and deployment as second-wave attacks.[46]

The top ranks of the legions are occupied by veterans (equivalent to pre-Marian triarii), who form the third wave and rear guard. These elite troops are deployed once the first two waves fail to achieve their objectives, allowing the Legion to field its most powerful, fresh troops against a weakened, tired enemy.[46]

Veterans who prove themselves as leaders may be eligible for centurion status, becoming the deadliest members of the legion and its most skilled commanders. Each has reached their rank through their battlefield accomplishments and their armor reflects that fact - it is made up of trophies taken from defeated enemies. However, they rarely enter the battlefield, as they are few in number and possess valuable leadership skills, essential to maintaining unit cohesion.

The Legion has special postings and branches in addition to regular military ranks. The vexillarius (standard-bearer) carries the Legion's vexillium (banner or flag) into battle and serves as a rallying point for other legionaries. The frumentarii and speculatores are the Legion's special forces, tasked with infiltration, subterfuge, recon, and other essential tasks, both of which have special training that legionaries who show promise in such matter can participate in.[47] The praetorians are an elite unit of bodyguard hand-picked by Caesar to protect him and the legates.



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The Legion invests much of its time and effort into hardening its warriors into some of the most capable combatants the wasteland has ever seen. The Legion draws its manpower from the dozens of assimilated tribes that it has conquered over the years and any male children born within the Legion.[48] The physical conditioning regimen is brutal and extremely demanding, on par with the NCR Rangers. Legionaries are uniformly fast, strong, and extremely dangerous. They can run half again as fast as the best of NCR troops and are capable of closing distances with frightening speed.[49] Developing resistance to pain is also an integral part of the training, usually carried out via brutal hand-to-hand combat and melee weapons exercises.[50]

Even more impressive than their physical traits is their discipline. Rank and file legionaries are trained to not have to think for themselves, to have conflict removed from their minds.[51] The resulting discipline in the field is beyond the ken of their closest competitor, the NCR,[26] as the legionaries will perform any order given by their superiors and will not back down until they are dead or recalled by their commanders.[52] If training fails, fear will motivate legionaries to succeed. Legionaries who fail or disobey orders end up crucified or torn apart in front of Caesar. In extreme cases, the Legate may order decimation, where a tenth of the unit's troops are beaten to death by the other nine-tenths, as an extreme disciplinary action.[53]

These traits make them ferocious close-quarters combatants, where they have few equals. NCR soldiers are generally advised to take down legionaries at long range before they can engage them in close combat. Of course, while the standard kit is light armor and a melee weapon, the Legion is a pragmatic fighting force. Legionaries also receive training in ranged combat and firearms are not uncommon, though most are in poor condition. Legionaries are authorized to and will scavenge better weapons from fallen enemies and use them in combat. As such, the NCR orders troops to destroy their weapons (e.g. by throwing them over the edge of Hoover Dam) if fatally wounded, to avoid bolstering the firepower of the legionaries.[54] Higher ranking legionaries, like veterans and centurions, are commonly provided with high quality, well maintained firearms, like the anti-materiel rifle or 12.7mm submachine gun, which they can use with frightening efficiency.[55]

The result is a well rounded military force that is capable of fighting on all distances, using all types of weapons, and particularly adept at taking enemy fortifications and bases. Of course, the Legion has weak sides. The extreme discipline and obedience of the lower ranks require a strong chain of command to exist, to guide the soldiers on the field of battle. Without decani and centurions, the legionaries will become a disorganized mass, easy to rout and destroy. This reliance on veterans has been exploited to great effect by Chief Hanlon during the First Battle of Hoover Dam.[56] By eliminating officers, the Legion's forces were easily drawn into a trap at Boulder City and destroyed.

Military doctrine[]

The Legion employs an organized method of warfare. In larger battles, legionaries are deployed in waves, with recruits upfront, prime soldiers behind them, and veterans, the old guard, bringing up the rear. The enemy wears himself out dealing with the first two waves, with the veterans mopping up any remaining resistance when their turn comes. This is not an omnipresent, cardinal rule, however: Caesar can adapt and run any mix of legionaries as skirmishes, while retaining order in the ranks.[46]

Smaller Legion raids involve both quick attacks and methodical slaughter and crucifixion, such as in Nipton.[57][58][59] Legate Lanius states their forces are much better suited at taking positions than holding them due to their up-close style of fighting.[60] Furthermore, legionaries will deliberately commit atrocities to terrorize their enemies and break their morale.[Non-game 4] On occasion, they are known to use children as traps and soldiers,[61] and rape to terrorize civilian populations.[Non-game 21] The Legion also seeks to demoralize opposing armies before the battle even begins by torturing prisoners in sight of the army's position.[62]

Relations with the outside[]

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The Legion's aim is to dominate the known world and unite it under its banner. In 2281, it is locked in conflict with the New California Republic at the Colorado River. Tribes that weren't pressed into it are also openly hostile to the Legion, fearing that they too will become victims of its campaign of conquest, as even with guarantees of safety and independence, Caesar has gone against his word and assimilated tribes he previously promised he'd leave alone. This causes even ruthless organizations like the Van Graffs to oppose the Legion in addition to organizations like the Desert Rangers. However, while many civilized groups dislike the Legion's ways, they have great success in assimilating tribal groups. Tribals, with their general respect for power over anything else, typically side with the Legion over the NCR. The White Legs are firm allies of the Legion and are used as proxies for the Legion in the war for Zion. In 2281, after suffering an incredibly devastating defeat at Hoover Dam, the Legion has resorted to finding ways to gain the allegiance of local factions so that they can sow the seeds of their enemy's demise closer to home. They have allied with the Great Khans and Omertas and plan to use them to aid their plans in the Mojave before assimilating or exterminating them.

Dale Barton often prefers to trade in Legion territories, saying that he finds it cheaper as he doesn't have to hire protection on most occasions, nor does he have to pay extortionate taxes, due to the effectiveness of Legion suppression of raiders and wasteland creatures.[36] Rose of Sharon Cassidy admits that caravan life would be much easier if the Legion controlled the roadways instead of the NCR, as the Legion does not require the same exorbitant tolls and simultaneously provides consistent and effective protection of routes in their territory.[63] She states that for the same reasons caravans side with the Legion, if towns could be provided the same level of security, they would likewise be tempted to capitulate.[64]

According to Ulysses, Caesar has commanded Legion couriers not to kill another courier (even if they appear to not be Legion), as many couriers are disguised frumentarii.[65]

The Legion follows a strict policy of frontier justice, wiping out all savage, chem-dependent raider gangs and tribes they deem unfit for absorption into their ranks.[66]


With some exceptions, most legionaries lack technological expertise. What the Legion largely lacks in technological prowess it makes up for in resourcefulness. Combat gear is built with a focus on reliability and ease of manufacture, standardized across the Legion. Furthermore, the Legion is easily capable of erecting large fortifications from scrap (e.g. the Fortification Hill encampment), establishing supply chains for its massive army, and, as mentioned above, mass-producing standardized weapons and armor for its legionaries. Caesar firmly believes that reliance on technology weakens humans, and was partially responsible for the Great War. The Legion espouses martial prowess and individual fitness to reduce the need for technologically advanced weapons. The technological refinement of an individual legionary's gear is directly tied to his status. Lower ranks typically use either simple firearms (typically revolvers or lever-action rifles), power fists, or melee weapons in the form of machetes and throwing spears, crafted from scavenged materials that mimic the ancient Roman short sword (gladius) and javelin (pilum). Higher ranks, such as prime legionaries, decani, and centurions have access to superior weapons, such as anti-materiel rifles, marksman carbines, and super sledges. The personal guards of Caesar themselves are equipped with high tech ballistic fists to complement their martial prowess. The Legion's general lack of technical expertise means that many legionaries are untrained in the use of certain weapons, with some being unaware that land mines can even be disarmed.[67]

While no Legion member wields energy weapons, they show interest in purchasing them from the Van Graffs. The Legion is also never shown using power armor, though pieces of what appears to be T-45 power armor are used in centurion armor. The Legion has a large number of Stealth Boys. These Stealth Boys are never seen used by Legion soldiers in the Mojave but are used by the Legion at Dry Wells and the Legion marked men in the Divide. A high reputation with the Legion will lead to a steady cache of Stealth Boys for the Courier.[68]

All troops wear standardized Legion armor, mimicking the Roman lorica hamata or lorica segmentata, created from pre-War sports gear (mostly if not exclusively American football gear, salvaged from the University of Arizona)[Non-game 22] and armored with metal plates, including the helmet. The gear is worn over a tunic. Centurions make their own armor, crafted from elements of body armor scavenged from felled foes. Also, certain high ranking members, such as Gaius Magnus and Legate Lanius, have bespoke metal armor, indicating at least some original craftsmanship by Legionary blacksmiths.

Due to a ban on modern medicine, alcohol, and synthetic chems, the Legion creates and uses traditional medicines derived from the local flora and fauna. Healing powder and bitter drinks are the most common remedies used to heal wounds. In order to restore crippled limbs, the Legion creates and uses a chem called hydra, a potent brew derived from the Mojave Wasteland's wildlife and cave fungus. The Legion also produces antivenom for its members as a precaution against wounds suffered from encounters with the venomous creatures of the wasteland.

The only absolutely prohibited technology, aside from pharmacy and medicine, is robotics. Caesar dislikes the thought of having robots win a war fought by men, as it defeats the need for a sacrifice for the greater good.[19] Beyond that, the Legion is opportunistic and will use any kind of technology to further its goals, whether it be using a howitzer to suppress NCR snipers or occupying HELIOS One after the Courier wipes the NCR out with ARCHIMEDES. Radios are frequently used,[69] but overall the Legion opts for devices that use no power to increase reliability. The Legion does not need or truly desire power sources like the NCR, but at no point opposes their usage as it does with chems, alcohol, and combat robots.

Interactions with the player character[]

  • Siding with the Legion can make keeping companions very difficult while following the main questline, and most human companions will likely abandon the player character over time. Veronica Santangelo will likely leave when the Brotherhood bunker is destroyed, Craig Boone will leave when one kills several NCR soldiers, and Arcade Gannon will leave when the Courier's reputation with the Legion rises too high. Rose of Sharon Cassidy allows the player character to work with the Legion despite her dislike for them, and Raul Tejada is somewhat supportive due to their ability to provide security.[18] It is possible to maintain all companions through a mix of not speaking to Gannon, not traveling with Boone while killing NCR soldiers, and for Veronica, destroying the bunker when she is not present. Lily, Rex, and ED-E are neutral to this and will still follow the Courier regardless of their alignment.
  • Although initially neutral towards the player character, Legion patrols in the Mojave Wasteland are openly hostile towards most travelers, including prospectors and traveling merchants, and will attack them on sight.
  • A female Courier will not be allowed to fight in the arena, regardless of reputation or progress in the game. An exception is made, should the female Courier choose to fight Benny to the death during Render Unto Caesar, as well as with Lupa during the quest Nothin' But a Hound Dog.
  • Many characters comment about the Legion's future leadership, in that without Caesar, the Legion will fall to in-fighting, including Mr. House, Marcus, and Joshua Graham.[70][71][72]

Fallout: New Vegas endings[]

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Narrated by Ron Perlman

# Slide Voice-over narration In-game condition
Legion end slide 01
Caesar entered The Strip as though it was his Triumph. The Legion pushed the NCR out of New Vegas entirely, driving them back to the Mojave Outpost. The Legion occupied all major locations, enslaving much of the population and peacefully lording over the rest. Under the Legion's banner, civilization - unforgiving as it was - finally came to the Mojave Wasteland. Do not allow Caesar to die in Et Tumor, Brute?, complete the endgame quest Veni, Vidi, Vici for Caesar's Legion.
Legion end slide 02
The Legate is crowned as the new Caesar. He entered The Strip as though it was a military target, destroying anyone who resisted him. The Legion brutally occupied all major locations, killing and enslaving a large amount of the population. Under the Legion's banner, civilization - savage as it was - finally came to the Mojave Wasteland. Allow Caesar to die in Et Tumor, Brute?, complete the endgame quest Veni, Vidi, Vici for Caesar's Legion.

Notable members (by rank)[]


Caesar's Legion appears in Fallout: New Vegas and the Fallout: The Roleplaying Game supplement book Wanderer's Guide Book after being mentioned in the core book and Settler's Guide Book supplement. They were also to appear in Black Isle Studios' canceled Fallout 3 codenamed Van Buren and the canceled Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel 2.

Behind the scenes[]

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Caesar's politics, views, and opinions[]

On a related note, a lot of folks have asked me about the Legion in Fallout: New Vegas and why they aren't more fully fleshed out. The real answer is "time", and I would have liked to have more locations, characters, and quests for the Legion. Even so, the Legion was always intended to be a faction that was initially presented as terrible, much like the NCR is initially presented as heroic, with revelations over the course of the story causing you to question that initial impression in a larger context. Caesar shows a very warped plan for how the Legion can bring order to the Mojave, and there are suggestions that regions under Legion control do enjoy a sort of "Pax Romana", but there isn't enough concrete evidence for the player to directly witness to really sell it. Even so, under the most ideal of portrayals, it was never my intention for the Legion to become a heroic faction. Their methods and approach would have always been unflinchingly brutal, with proven results and a clear plan to reproduce that success being the only potentially redeeming qualities of the group.Twofold Silence, Joshua Sawyer's blog
I think this is a reasonable point to argue, but what Machiavelli wrote about is not directly comparable to what the Legion is. Machiavelli wrote (mostly) about princedoms and republics. The Legion isn't structured at all like a republic -- not like a Renaissance Italian republic nor like the Roman Republic -- and not like a princedom, either. Caesar also takes terrible steps to annihilate sense of tribe and family -- e.g. Legionaries have sex with many captive women, children of those unions are not raised by any Legionary who had sex with the mother, nor by the mother herself. Caesar does everything he can to prevent anyone having a sense of belonging to anything other than the Legion.
I think it's conceivable that even in that environment, non-Legionary slaves could unite to try to overthrow Caesar, but I disagree that it's guaranteed success simply through numbers.
In Roman Britain, Suetonius Paulinus (the Roman governor) stripped Boudicca of her right to rule the Iceni, had her beaten and her daughters raped for protesting, then took off to wage war in Wales. While he was gone, she and her tribe sacked Londinium, killed tens of thousands, and were subsequently annihilated by the Roman legions when they returned -- despite the Iceni outnumbering Paulinus' forces significantly. I think it's more likely that Legionaries would internally decide to get rid of Caesar (much like the historical Praetorian Guard did on several occasions), but I think this would require a mindset and perspective that is alien to most Legionaries.
Breeding issues are pretty huge in cultures that took a big step back from infant mortality progress made in the last 100-200 years. Prior to the last few centuries, infant mortality was often around 50%-ish. Child mortality (prior to age 12) was about 60%. Those are pretty awful odds of reaching adulthood. Remember that Caesar's Legion is basically a roving army that continually breaks down and absorbs tribes that it conquers. That can only go on for so long, and Legionaries who are indoctrinated from birth are even more loyal than adolescents who are integrated. Breeding new generations of Legionaries is vital for the Legion's continued existence. Even though breeding is incredibly important in the Legion, there isn't any concept of family outside of the Legion's structure. All of the places where the player encounters the Legion are forward camps where direct military service is given the most weight and is of the most immediate importance. Because only males are involved in that service, they look down upon females even though it's incredibly short-sighted.Joshua Sawyer's Formspring answers
Caesar takes whatever pieces of history he finds useful and disregards things he doesn't find useful. He has specific goals and uses history as a tool to meet those goals. When history doesn't help him, he doesn't use it. Even things like a reluctance to use advanced technology have more to do with his desire to keep the Legion ignorant/dependent on him than with anything 'historical'.
Control is very important to him, even if it means that the people who serve him lack any of the medical knowledge necessary to help diagnose or treat his problems. It's very important for Caesar to maintain that the Legion is different. It is physically different, has different values, and different priorities. When Romans were wearing pants, they thought people wearing skirts were barbarians. When Romans wore togas, they thought people wearing pants were barbarians. People on the other side of that river wear pants. Our identity is good, your identity is bad.
Clearly there are many things Caesar does that work against his goals, or choices he made to emphasize one goal over a conflicting goal and it resulted in problems. But it's important to understand that Caesar calls the shots in the Legion. And when Caesar's not around, it's someone following his lead. Whether that's Lanius or Joshua Graham, there's not going to be a fun party when one of these guys rolls into your town.
Events in the vein of Tamerlane and Simon de Montfort are going to happen.
Events that culminate in pyramids of human heads, mass blindings, and burning a cathedral down with an entire congregation inside. Conquered men, women, children, elderly people -- they don't spontaneously rise up and try to kill people who abuse and oppress them. Most people are not heroic. Most people are easily terrified, especially once they have already been placed in subjugated position. And if they are heroic, they usually die heroic deaths, alone.
It continues to happen all over the world. Right now, somewhere, someone is being beaten and horribly abused and even if given the opportunity to strike back at the person doing the abuse, they won't take it. In Roman Britain, the tribes didn't stage a successful coup against the occupying forces even when given ample opportunity and more than enough reason to unite. On three separate occasions, the governor of Britain broke off from the empire. Even in a state of Roman civil war, the tribes were unable to eject the Romans.
The one very notable case of rebellion was during Suetonius Paulinus' campaign in what is now Wales. The leader of the Iceni, Boudica, was beaten and her daughters were raped because Boudica challenged the transition of her late husband's authority to the Roman governor (Paulinus). Only with Londinium essentially vacated of military forces did the Iceni and Trinovantes dare to attack. They were successful in causing a huge amount of civilian damage, but in the end, Paulinus' troops rolled over the Iceni and routed them. The nearby Brigantes provided essentially no help to the Iceni and at least one source suggests Boudica may have even been poisoned by the Brigantes' queen. Someone mentioned Nero earlier; it's worth noting that all of this happened under Nero's rule and Rome still easily held Britain despite Nero's general lack of... being good as an emperor. This pattern can be found a lot in history. It's rare for spontaneous uprisings to happen against conquerors. Or rather, it's more appropriate to say that it is extremely common for abusive occupation to go effectively uncontested for years, decades, or even centuries.
Joshua Sawyer on the Bethesda forums
Whether you think it's a 'legit' reason or not, it's actually to ensure that the Legion breeds as many new legionaries as it can at the fastest possible rate. The way it is communicated in game often comes across as 'traditionally' sexist instead of 'follow these gender roles for army min-maxing'.
I've never thought of Caesar's or the Legion's activities as 'edgy'. For their own purposes, they engage in a variety of horrible practices that others have engaged in throughout history. I'm sure individual players might want to engage in ranking atrocities -- something I've never really found was productive in discussions about history -- but Caesar and his crew in the same league as other brutal warlords. He was inspired (on our end) by people like Charles Taylor, Timur, and Simon de Montfort (the crusader). 'Caesar' is a persona he adopted, but he effectively operates as a warlord with no regard for individual human lives outside of how he can use them.
no ghouls or supermutants in ceasars legion....explain
Joshua Sawyer: It's hard to brainwash people who have been alive for a hundred+ years. More importantly, non-feral ghouls and SMs are also a tiny fragment of the population. Caesar doesn't really consider them to be that relevant in the overall struggle for the Mojave.
Joshua Sawyer's Formspring answers
The Legion's symbol is a golden bull on a red field, which is derived from the standard of Legio X Equestris and Gaius Julius Caesar's favored legion.Joshua Sawyer on Tumblr
I think people would have responded better to the Legion if they were developed more. Also, I've said this before, but the Legion characters in the Fort are so completely mega misogynistic that it makes it hard to... [laughter] They weren't really intended to be that misogynistic, in terms of overtly, like 'women - grr!' But that's how they wound up, so...— Joshua Sawyer[Non-game 23]
The thing is, I don't think it really made sense for those characters to be as... like yes, so Caesar's whole idea behind women and their role in the world and the Legion isn't because he hated them, it was strictly utilitarian without any concern for the welfare of the individual people involved. It makes sense, because he wants more Legionaries. That's it. He wants more Legionares. He wants women to breed more Legionaries. Period. But for the rank-and-file guys to be like 'women - grr!' It didn't really make sense. I don't think. So, like, being misogynistic, yes, in the way that Caesar was, but to be like 'I hate 'em!', I just didn't... they were too aggressively hateful of women as opposed to casually unconcerned with their wishes or welfare, which is more what Caesar had.— Joshua Sawyer[Non-game 24]
Yeah, Caesar's Legion is appropriating symbols. It is not literally like the Roman Legion, it's not literally like the Roman Republic, or the Roman Empire. It is using symbols for a purpose, for Caesar's purpose.— Joshua Sawyer[Non-game 25]

Caesar's Legion's approach to Latin[]

The pronunciation of Latin in the game is based on classical, not ecclesiastic, rules of pronunciation. While it is difficult for us to know how Latin was actually pronounced in the time of Julius Caesar, classical pronunciation assumes that the presence or absence of certain letter/sound combinations in the surviving languages of Romanized cultures can inform our understanding. The most obvious example is the name 'Caesar' itself, one of the earliest Latin loan words to Germanic languages, which became 'Kaiser'. Another is a word Caesar himself used, 'Celtæ'. Greek historians used the word 'Κελτοί', and there's not a lot of debate over how that's pronounced. Just as Italian doesn't follow Latin pronunciation (and in fact pretty much abandoned case, which is an enormous part of Latin -- thanks Jabby), Old French and Late Latin softened many of the Latin consonants before they entered English. Thus, we have people hissing at each other over the pronunciation of 'Celt' and 'celtic': Anglicized Latin words passed to us through Old French from the days of the Roman Republic, where they had been borrowed from a Greek word that was likely a self-identifying term for a tribe on the Iberian peninsula. Inappropriately, we almost always use those terms to refer to Irish people and things. Anyhoo, generally speaking, if you find an academic textbook on Latin pronunciation these days, it's going to follow classical rules. If you're taught Latin through your local church, you may very well learn Italianate/ecclesiastic rules. Caesar learned from academic textbooks, so he passed on that tradition.Joshua Sawyer on the Bethesda forums
Edward Sallow had a FotA education with all of their information resources at his disposal. All it takes is the first chapter of Wheelock's (or equivalent) and you've got pretty much all the rules for pronouncing classical Latin. How the Legion pronounces 'Caesar' is how Edward Sallow told them to pronounce it. The rest of the F:NV world pronounces 'Caesar' the way most people in Pre-War America would have pronounced it.

Caesar's design[]

When I finally did a Legion in NV, I was actually pretty amazed with Caesar's dialog, and he kind of became one of my favorite villains ever. There was such a nuance to his blatant hypocrisy. He's not teaching what he believes in, he's teaching what he thinks will work. I can't think of any other villain in fiction quite like him. If you were involved in his writing, was there any particular inspiration for this?
Most of the basic character design was mine, but John Gonzalez did all of the actual character writing.
Some of this info is on the various wikis, but I took inspiration from both Mr. Kurtz/Colonel Kurtz (Heart of Darkness/Apocalypse Now) and Charles Taylor of Liberia. I came up with the idea of Caesar using the Hegelian dialectic as a way of explaining his vision for the future of the Mojave Wasteland.
Edward Sallow was an extremely intelligent, well-educated man captured by an alien culture and he did what he needed to not only to survive, but to dominate that culture and eventually become its leader. At the point when the Courier encounters him, Caesar’s morality is completely untethered from the culture he grew up in. He’s lived for years in a society that he rules with absolute power and authority, which he designed as he saw fit.
Joshua Sawyer on Tumblr
'How similar is Caesar's fort to an ancient Roman fort?' I don't think it is very. If it is, it's completely coincidental.— Joshua Sawyer[Non-game 26]

Caesar's Legion in Van Buren[]

In the test pen-and-paper campaign run by Chris Avellone, the first fringe unit of Caesar's Legion was planned to appear as a hostile enemy in the Circle Junction train yards. Furthermore, the Daughters of Hecate and Caesar’s Legion was thought as the female and male polar opposites, which was supposed to allow the player, depending on gender, to rule either one and use them to build an army, much like in the movie The Postman.
The Caesar's Legion concept was created by Chris Avellone during pre-production for Black Isle's canceled Fallout 3. J.E. Sawyer then elaborated on the concept, stating, "One of the few big things I did on Van Buren was taking an organization Chris invented and changing it (perhaps mangling it in the process) into a neo-Roman slavers' legion with all the weird titles, makeshift costumes, and traditions of that group."Legion concept art
Sharptooth, a member of Hangdog tribe, was planned to be a spy for Caesar's Legion, reporting to their agents in Denver; however, this was only because Caesar holds Sharptooth's sister as a slave. If this became known, the other Hangdogs would demand to banish him and his family to the wasteland. Bares His Teeth would have no qualms about doing this. The faction was originally planned to play a much bigger role in Van Buren but their role was scaled back significantly as the development team realized the game and its story had gotten too big.No Mutants Allowed posts on Van Buren
Before being merged by designers with the Blackfoot tribe, Hangdog's tribe could be planned to live in northeastern Colorado, near Denver (Van Buren)— Denver, dialogue files of the Van Buren tech demo, crossed off of Blackfoot design document



Notable members[]


  1. 1.0 1.1 Mark of Caesar
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 The Courier: "What does "Pax Romana" mean?"
    Caesar: "It means a nationalist, imperialist, totalitarian, homogenous culture that obliterates the identity of every group it conquers. Long-term stability at all costs. The individual has no value beyond his utility to the state, whether as an instrument of war, or production."
    (Caesar's dialogue)
  3. 3.0 3.1 The Courier: "I hear you were a slave of Caesar's Legion."
    Jimmy: "What Marco said is true. The Legion attacked my village when I was 16. My parents were killed as examples. The rest of us, chained and dragged to some kind of camp. A Centurion there chose me as his tent servant. He was handsome, and gentle, most of the time. Said it was our secret, and he'd protect me. Gave me little gifts, stupid things. But Caesar punishes homosexuality with death, and we nearly got caught, and there were suspicions. So when he took me out into the desert... Well, I knew he was going to get rid of me. So I kicked him where it counts and I ran. And then swam. And ran some more. Wound up here."
    (Jimmy's dialogue)
  4. 4.0 4.1 The Courier: "Why is Caesar's Legion so... strange?"
    Caesar: "I used imperial Rome as the model for my Legion precisely because it was so foreign, so alien. I'd seen what had become of the NCR's attempts to emulate the culture of Pre-War America - the in-fighting, the corruption. Rome was a highly militarized autocracy that effectively integrated the foreign cultures it conquered. It dedicated its citizens to something higher than themselves - to the idea of Rome itself. In Rome I found a template for a society equal to the challenges of the post-apocalyptic world - a society that could and would survive. A society that could prevent mankind from fracturing and destroying itself in this new world, by establishing a new Pax Romana."
    (Caesar's dialogue)
  5. Fallout: New Vegas loading screens: "All territory east of the Colorado River is recognized as Caesar's land, an area indisputably under the control of the Legion and agents acting on Caesar's behalf."
  6. The Courier: "And since forming the Legion, all you've done is conquer other tribes?"
    Caesar: "That's right. Decades of warfare, absorbing lesser tribes, gathering power. Forging the dross into a vast, razor-sharp scythe. My Legion's expansion has never ceased. Much of the Utah and Colorado, and all of Arizona and New Mexico, are mine. We have cities of our own, but nothing compared to Vegas. Finally, my Legion will have its Rome."
    (Caesar's dialogue)
  7. The Courier: "What changed you from a Follower to dictator?"
    Caesar: "When I was 20, the Followers sent me East to Grand Canyon. It was my first expedition, just me and a physician named Calhoun. As an anthropologist and linguist, my assignment was to learn the dialects of the Grand Canyon tribes. What a fucking waste of time!"
    (Caesar's dialogue)
  8. The Courier: "Why would learning dialects be a waste of time?"
    Caesar: "If you think it's worthwhile to make smart people learn how to talk like backward savages, you're a Follower of the Apocalypse... or an idiot. Anyway, we met up with a Mormon missionary who already knew a bunch of dialects - Joshua Graham. He was supposed to teach me. But before that went too far, the Blackfoot tribe captured us, to hold us for ransom. They were a backward bunch. But the real problem was, they didn't know how to fight."
    (Caesar's dialogue)
  9. 9.0 9.1 9.2 See History of Caesar's Legion for references.
  10. 10.0 10.1 The Courier: "What was wrong with the Blackfoot?"
    Caesar: "The Blackfoot were at war with seven other tribes, each just as pissant as they were. But outnumbered like that, they weren't going to last long. It's one thing to be taken hostage, another to be lashed to a sinking ship. So over Calhoun's objections, I decided to take certain steps."
    The Courier: "What steps did you take?"
    Caesar: "I taught them how to use the guns they already had - how to strip and clean them, how to breathe when pulling a trigger, how to reload ammunition. They looked at me like I was some kind of a sorcerer. So I taught them how to make explosives, and started drilling them on small unit tactics. If there's anything I learned as a Follower of the Apocalypse, it's that there's a lot of good information in old books."
    The Courier: "What happened after you trained the Blackfoot?"
    Caesar: "Divide et impera - divide and conquer. I led the Blackfoot against the Ridgers, their weakest enemy. When they refused to surrender, I ordered every man, woman, and child killed. When next we surrounded the Kaibabs and they likewise refused... I took one of their envoys to the Ridgers' village and showed him the corpse piles. This was new for the tribes, you see. They played at war, raiding each other, a little rape and pillage here, a little ransoming there. I showed them total warfare. Like I said, there's a lot you can learn from old books."
    (Caesar's dialogue)
  11. The Courier: "What happened to the tribes?"
    Caesar: "The Kaibabs joined me, and the Fredonians after that - all the pissant tribes, with names that should be forgotten. I knew from the start I'd need to eradicate this plague of tribal identities, replacing them with a monolithic culture, a uniform identity. So that's what I did, once my confederation of tribes was large enough. I crowned myself Caesar and created a single Great Tribe - my Legion. I sent Calhoun, the Follower captured with me, back West with a message that I should not be interfered with. Joshua Graham, the Mormon interpreter, stayed with me and served as my first Legatus."
    (Caesar's dialogue)
  12. Legion slave ledger: "Of particular interest is the fate of the Twisted Hair tribe of Arizona, who formed an alliance with Caesar to serve as his army's scouts during the conquest of that region. Once the Arizona wastes were pacified, the Legion turned on its erstwhile allies, stripped them of their tribal identity, and forced them into slavery. Those who resisted were crucified along the remains of I-40."
  13. Aaron Kimball: "Ten years ago, Chief Elise met with representatives of the Desert Rangers to discuss terms of what would become the Ranger Unification Treaty. The treaty was more than a resolution to welcome the Desert Rangers into the republic. It was a covenant to protect southern Nevada against Caesar's Legion and the tyranny of his regime."
    (Kimball's speech)
  14. Ulysses' logs#Ulysses log: Y-17.23
  15. The Courier: "Who is this Legatus you mention?"
    Vulpes Inculta: "Legatus Lanius, Monster of the East! Quite a man, if man he be. Caesar prides himself on selecting the right tool to overcome each new obstacle. In Lanius, he found his hammer. He's never been defeated in battle. 14 tribes have laid down arms at his boots. Another five, rendered extinct. His latest campaign in the wilds of the Utah has concluded, and he is en route. When he arrives, your doom arrives with him."
    (Vulpes Inculta's dialogue)
  16. Armor of the 87th Tribe
  17. Courier: "What'll happen at the Fort?"
    Cursor Lucullus: "You'll be meeting face-to-face with the mighty Caesar himself, founder of the Legion, conquerer of 86 tribes."
    (Cursor Lucullus)
  18. 18.0 18.1 18.2 The Courier: "How do you feel about Caesar's Legion?"
    Raul Tejada: "I don't really have a problem with them. People around here tend to see them as invading marauders planning to burn and pillage the countryside. But I've been to Arizona, boss. Before the Legion, it was a nasty place, so thick with raiders you couldn't trade with a town two miles up the road. Caesar's laws aren't nice, and their actions aren't always pretty. But then, neither am I, but you keep me around."
    (Raul Tejada's dialogue)
  19. 19.0 19.1 The Courier: "You should use Mr. House's technology to attack the dam."
    Caesar: "You don't get it, do you? The weapons I wield are forged from blood, flesh, sinew, bone - mortal stuff. Fragile, even. And yet my Legion obeys me, even unto death. Why? Because they live to serve the greater good, and they know of no alternatives. House's machines, his technologies - what do they propose? The possibility of victory without sacrifice. No blood spilled, just... rivets. That's not an idea to be put in circulation. If mankind's going to survive this moment in history, it needs warriors, not gadgets."
    (Caesar's dialogue)
  20. The Courier: "What is considered a banned item?"
    Legionary main gate guard: "Alcohol and all chems, including stims and other addictive items."
  21. The Courier: "What is that machine in your tent?"
    Caesar: "It's called an Auto-Doc. As the name suggests, it's an automated physician - more or less. It can treat broken bones, cuts, punctures, scrapes. Sometimes I bestow its use upon someone I favor. Makes for a powerful gift, in a culture that forbids painkillers and is largely ignorant of medical science."
    (Caesar's dialogue)
  22. The Courier: "What do you think of the NCR?"
    Caesar: "Do you want my opinion as a former citizen, or future conqueror? Actually, my opinion's the same either way. As a young man I was taught to venerate President Tandi of Shady Sands. 'The Founding Mother of the New California Republic.' Did you know her Presidency lasted 52 years? And that her father, Aradesh, was the Republic's first President? Does that sound like democracy to you, or a hereditary dictatorship?"
    The Courier: "President Tandi was voted into office each time."
    Caesar: "Because the council didn't dare oppose her. She was too popular. She had the people's love. So things ran smoothly, more or less. And as soon as she was gone, as soon as there really could be 'democracy' - what happened then? Ever since losing its queen, the NCR has been weaker, more diffuse. Democracy has been its weakness, not its strength."
    The Courier: "How is the NCR weak?"
    Caesar: "Greed runs rampant. The government is corrupt, accepting bribes from Brahmin barons and landowners, to the detriment of citizens. The NCR is a loose conglomerate of individuals looking out for themselves. It's lost virtue. No one cares about the collective, the greater good. It's not built to last. I'm just hastening the inevitable."
    The Courier: "Surely, the NCR is a powerful foe?"
    Caesar: "Of course. The most powerful my Legion has faced. Also the first to which I am ideologically opposed. Until now, every tribe I've conquered has been so backwards and stunted, enslavement has been a gift bestowed upon them. My conquest of the Mojave will be a glorious triumph, marking the transition of the Legion from a basically nomadic tribe to a genuine empire. Just as my namesake campaigned in Gaul before he crossed the Rubicon, so have I campaigned, and will cross the Colorado."
    (Caesar's dialogue)
  23. The Courier: "So you'll destroy the NCR because you hate its inefficiencies?"
    Caesar: "No, I'll destroy it because it's inevitable that it be destroyed. It's Hegelian Dialectics, not personal animosity."
    The Courier: "Hegelian Dialectics? What are those?"
    Caesar: "How do I put this basically enough? It's a philosophical theory, the kind you might encounter if you took time to read some books. The fundamental premise is to envision history as a sequence of "dialectical" conflicts. Each dialectic begins with a proposition, a thesis... ...which inherently contains, or creates, its opposite - an antithesis. Thesis and antithesis. The conflict is inevitable. But the resolution of the conflict yields something new - a synthesis - eliminating the flaws in each, leaving behind common elements and ideas."
    (Caesar's dialogue)
  24. The Courier: "So what's "dialectic" about you and the NCR?"
    Caesar: "The NCR has all of the problems of the ancient Roman Republic - extreme bureaucracy, corruption, extensive senatorial infighting. Just as with the ancient Republic, it is natural that a military force should conquer and transform the NCR into a military dictatorship. Thesis and antithesis. The Colorado River is my Rubicon. The NCR council will be eradicated, but the new synthesis will change the Legion as well... ...from a basically nomadic army to a standing military force that protects its citizens, and the power of its dictator."
    (Caesar's dialogue)
  25. The Courier: "A woman in the Legion surprise you?"
    Ulysses: "It's not Legion - the Legion I know, but they change, even in small ways as they march West, with every tribe they break. But yes... last I heard, you needed a weapon between your legs to carry one for Caesar."
    (Ulysses' dialogue)
  26. 26.0 26.1 The Courier: "What do you know about Caesar's Legion?"
    Cassandra Moore: "They're organized, I'll give them that. The few times I've encountered them firsthand, I've been impressed with their discipline. I've heard they don't allow women in their military, considering them nothing more than breeding stock. Their men, however, are typically quite large, in phenomenal condition, and prefer close-quarter weapons. Recent engagements have taught us to fear their shock attacks, so it's a blessing that we seem to have superior firearms."
    (Cassandra Moore's dialogue)
  27. The Courier: "Sounds like life in the Legion is tough."
    Jimmy: "It's tough on both sides of the fence, really. I think women have it worse. They're like money, given as rewards. Breeding stock. Honestly, as long as men meet obligations and the child count, "friendships" are a sight more equal than the level of most Legion husbands and wives."
    (Jimmy's dialogue)
  28. The Courier: "What are your thoughts on the Legion?"
    Veronica Santangelo: "Silliest band of raping, slaving marauders you'll see east of California, I'll say that. Where's that touch of Old World class? Although I hear they mount their soldiers as much as they mount their women, so maybe they did keep a little something from the Empire. No such privilege for the women, though. Figures. So... to answer your question... they're a bunch of hypocritical jerkwads. It's a word."
    (Veronica Santangelo's dialogue)
  29. Courier: "How's caravan life in the Mojave?"
    Rose of Sharon Cassidy: "Well, I'm not one for soft living or soft men, let me tell you. Otherwise, I wouldn't be talking to you right now - on both counts."
    Courier: "[Confirmed Bachelor] As long as we keep it on that level."
    Rose of Sharon Cassidy: "What? Oh. All right. Guess you've got a Legion outlook on things. No problems here, there's a lot more of that in the Mojave than you see."
    (Rose of Sharon Cassidy's dialogue)
  30. The Courier: "[Confirmed Bachelor] You didn't tell me your name."
    Knight: "Oh - Knight. You must not be from around here. If so... it doesn't do to get too friendly."
    The Courier: "What do you mean?"
    Knight: "This isn't the Republic. Oddly enough, Legion's a little more forgiving about... friendships. Out here, it's not as accepted."
    (Knight's dialogue)
  31. The Courier: "Caesar wishes to extend your society an offer of alliance with his Legion."
    Mortimer: "Looking to elevate his social status, is he? I'll admit, I could see benefits to living under his rule. Certain... transgressions he'd be willing to overlook. But that's neither here nor there, I'm afraid. Marjorie won't have it, as long as she fails to see the wisdom of my perspective."
    (Mortimer's dialogue)
  32. The Courier: "Will the White Glove Society ally with Caesar now?"
    Mortimer: "I should think so, but it would be up to Marjorie. I have, however, told her how instrumental you were in revolutionizing our cuisine. And she knows what we stand to gain from a ruler who supports it. Have a word with her, see what she says. I daresay she'll be more receptive with these new developments."
    (Mortimer's dialogue)
  33. The Courier: "I've already reverted the White Glove Society back to cannibalism."
    Caesar: "All right, that's a start. But now you have to convince them to support my Legion. Tell them they'll be allowed to continue practicing their dietary habits without interruption. They can eat a portion of what they conquer."
    (Caesar's dialogue)
  34. The Courier: "What do you know about the Legion?"
    Frank Weathers: "They're cannibals, slavers, and worse. I hear rumors they're poised to overrun the entire Colorado River Valley, and even the Army won't be enough to stop them. One of the officers here, or at Camp McCarran, might be able to tell you more."
    (Frank Weathers' dialogue)
  35. Fallout: New Vegas endings: "Caesar entered The Strip as though it was his Triumph. The Legion pushed the NCR out of New Vegas entirely, driving them back to the Mojave Outpost. The Legion occupied all major locations, enslaving much of the population and peacefully lording over the rest. Under the Legion's banner, civilization - unforgiving as it was - finally came to the Mojave Wasteland."
  36. 36.0 36.1 36.2 The Courier: "Is it dangerous to trade with the Legion?"
    Dale Barton: "Not at all - they're my best customers. As long as you don't try to sell 'em chems or alcohol, they treat you fair. Hell, I don't even need to travel with guards most of the time in Legion territory. All the bandits are dead or run off."
    The Courier: "Do you ever trade with the NCR?"
    Dale Barton: "Between having to hire protection and getting slapped with taxes, it's more profitable to stick to Arizona and New Mexico. But, I do cross the river from time to time when an opportunity comes along."
    (Dale Barton's dialogue)
  37. The Courier: "Who did this to you?"
    Anders: "Unh... Legion caught me. Said this... was the penalty for drug runners. Please... let me down."
    (Anders' dialogue)
  38. The Courier: "Who did this to you?"
    Anders: "A Legion patrol caught me trying to cross the river. When they found the, umm, package I was carrying, they strung me up there."
    The Courier: "You're smuggling drugs?"
    Anders: "Well, not exactly. More like... trying to expand our markets. I heard there was a lot of untapped territory down south, but the Legion caught me."
    (Anders' dialogue)
  39. The Courier: "By 'captures,' do you mean 'slaves'?"
    Canyon Runner: "No, no, no - they haven't yet earned the right to be called 'slaves'! Those three in the pen are captures, nothing more. I'm a Slavemaster, so I know what I'm talking about. Back at the Fort, I'd have those three half-broken and well on their way. But this is just a holding area, so all I do is assess their fitness and decide whether to send them on."
    (Canyon Runner's dialogue)
  40. The Courier: "It doesn't bother you, enslaving people?"
    Canyon Runner: "Why would it bother me to enslave these wretches? They have no purpose, no creed, no honor. They live in pitiful squalor, undisciplined, intemperate. To enslave them is to save them - to give them purpose, and virtue. Honestas, Industria, Prudentia - even the virtues of slaves are beyond the Dissolute on this side of the river."
    (Canyon Runner's dialogue)
  41. The Courier: "Do you have any 'captures' with the last name, 'Weathers?'"
    Canyon Runner: "Captures lose any claim to the names they called themselves when they let themselves be taken. If they're fortunate enough to become slaves, a new name will be given to them - one they can be proud of."
    (Canyon Runner's dialogue)
  42. Silus: "Lieutenant. I was just thinking about you."
    Lt. Carrie Boyd: "That so?"
    Silus: "I was. I was just thinking about that pretty neck of yours."
    Lt. Carrie Boyd: "How sweet."
    Silus: "I was thinking about how it would look with a Legion slave collar on it."
    Lt. Carrie Boyd: "I'll pass."
    Silus: "Do you know what I love about our slave collars, Lieutenant?"
    Lt. Carrie Boyd: "If you love them, maybe you should try one on."
    Silus: "I love how tightly they fit. I train my men to make sure the slaves' flesh bulges a bit around the top and bottom. Know why?"
    Lt. Carrie Boyd: "It's all the rage in fashion circles."
    Silus: "Not quite. If you fit it just right, their body never gets used to the feeling of wearing it. It cuts in just enough when they swallow or turn their head to remind them who they belong to. And it's that constant reminder that keeps them docile."
    (Lt. Carrie Boyd and Silus' dialogue)
  43. Bill of sale: "We, the representatives of the Consul Officiorum, have this day bargained and purchased from Jeannie May Crawford of the township of Novac the exclusive rights to ownership and sale of the slave Carla Boone for the sum of one thousand bottle caps, and those of her unborn child for the sum of five hundred bottle caps, the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged. We warrant the slave and her young to be sound, healthy, and slaves for life. We covenant with the said, Jeannie May Crawford, that we have full power to bargain and sell said slave and her offspring. Payment of an additional five hundred bottle caps will be due pending successful maturation of the fetus, the claim to which shall be guaranteed by possession of this document.
    M. Scribonius Libo Drusus et al.
    Administrators of M. Licinius Crassus, Consul Officiorum ab Famulatus"
  44. Dale Barton uses the Modern English pronunciation of Lanius. Marcus and Easy Pete are familiar with the classical Latin pronunciation of Caesar.
  45. 45.0 45.1 The Courier: "Time to go pay General Oliver a visit."
    Lanius: "Mars's eyes are upon you. Do not fail him - or us."
    (Lanius' dialogue)
  46. 46.0 46.1 46.2 The Courier: "So what happened at Hoover Dam and Boulder City?"
    Hanlon: "In big battles, Caesar deploys his legionaries in waves. Recruits up front, prime soldiers behind the recruits, old guard bringing up the rear. Opponents wear themselves out dealing with the first two waves, if they survive that long. When the veterans step up, there's not much fight left. Caesar can adapt, though, and when required, he can run any mix of legionaries as skirmishers and still retain order in the ranks."
    (Hanlon's dialogue)
  47. The Courier: "What officer?"
    Silus: "I don't know what name he goes by here. But I saw him when they brought me in, and I recognized him. When I saw him last it was ages ago. He was training to be an agent of Caesar's {LATIN}frumentarii. Apparently he passed the trials. And what a job he's done, to achieve such a rank. I have no doubt he'll deliver a crippling blow to the NCR while he's here. Perhaps many."
    (Silus' dialogue)
  48. Legionary instructor training children at The Fort
  49. The Courier: "You mentioned that they were in good shape?"
    Cassandra Moore: "Yes, extremely so. They must use conditioning routines on par with the rangers, or better. Their soldiers can run near half again as fast as my best men, and close distances with frightening speed. And they're as strong as they are fast. Their superior physicality makes them extremely dangerous up close, so I've had the men run drills for taking on larger, stronger opponents. But they've all been instructed to take them down at range, if possible. I've made it clear I don't want any heroes in my squad, just survivors."
    (Cassandra Moore's dialogue)
  50. The Courier: "I understand."
    Silus: "Good. But for her to trust you to re-enter the room, she'll need to believe you've been doing what she expects of you. You'll need to punch me until I'm bleeding and weak. Go on. This is nothing compared to the Legion's training."
    (Silus' dialogue)
  51. The Courier: "[Speech] You must miss giving orders, now that all your men are dead."
    Silus: "[?] Foot soldiers of the Legion are trained to not have to think for themselves - to have conflict removed from their minds. They kill themselves to evade capture because they are not trusted to make such a decision rationally in the heat of battle. But I'm no foot soldier. I knew I could escape captivity on my own, without revealing the tiniest iota of information to my captors."
    (Silus' dialogue)
  52. The Courier: "What impressed you about their discipline?"
    Cassandra Moore: "I've never once seen a single one of them back down, or disobey an order. They'll happily charge a fortified position with little more than a sharpened stick if ordered to, and do so without hesitation."
    (Cassandra Moore's dialogue)
  53. Radio New Vegas news story: "Refugees at Bitter Springs are giving startling accounts of the Legate, known as Lanius, who is said to be Caesar's top field commander. One refugee told us that the Legate took over an "under-performing" squad of troops by beating its commander to death in full view of everyone. The Legate then ordered a tenth of his own troops to be killed by the other nine-tenths. And you thought your boss was a pain."
  54. The Courier: "What kind of weapons do they use?"
    Cassandra Moore: "Their standard kit seems to be a blade of some sort and light armor. Guns are not uncommon but are of questionable condition. While they prefer to use their blades, it's common for them to scavenge better weapons from their enemies and use those. The men have been told to toss their weapons over the side of the dam if they receive a fatal wound, but I doubt many will remember."
    (Cassandra Moore's dialogue)
  55. Default loadouts of legionaries of these ranks in the game and especially the Second Battle.
  56. The Courier: "How did the NCR defeat the Legion at Hoover Dam before?"
    Lucius: "We had the numbers, but not the tactics. I know - I was there at Boulder City when we were defeated. We relied too much on veteran Legionaries for direction and leadership, and the Rangers exploited our weakness by killing our best from afar."
    (Lucius' dialogue)
  57. The Courier: "Tell me about Caesar's Legion."
    Benny: "Worst of the worst! A tribe of degenerate losers led by a creep. They crucify people for kicks! Slaughter whole towns! The NCR beat them at the dam three years ago, but that didn't stop them. They've spent the meanwhile gathering strength. They're gonna try to take the dam again, real soon. And if they do, Vegas as we know it will cease to exist."
    (Benny's dialogue)
  58. The Courier: "You think Caesar would destroy the Strip?"
    Benny: "Nah, just spruce it up with a crucifixion here and there. Come closer so I can step on you. The Legion is twisted, baby - original losers worshipping the king of creeps like he's some kind of god. They're worse than roaches. My advice? Put on your stomping shoes."
    (Benny's dialogue)
  59. The Courier: "I apologize for my failure, mighty Caesar. It will not happen again."
    Caesar: "That's right. Under normal circumstances, the reason it wouldn't happen again is that you'd be crucified - or worse. Only in light of the extraordinary service you've rendered unto me am I going to overlook this failure. Bear in mind how much you have to make up for, how much you have to prove yourself in your next task..."
    (Caesar's dialogue)
  60. The Courier: "And what do you want me to do?"
    Lanius: "Our forces are better equipped to take objectives than hold them. I do not wish to defend this place if another option exists. Our opponents follow a strict chain of command, which is both a strength and a weakness. I intend to use you to strike at that weakness. Find the enemy commander, this General Oliver. Kill him or his resolve. Do this, and his cowards will retreat, leaving the dam to us."
    (Lanius' dialogue)
  61. The Courier: "What happened?"
    Andy: "A few years back, we get a tip that some Legion slavers were holed up in this burnt out house a few klicks from where we were stationed. We get there and it's deserted. No sign anyone's been there. I mean nothing. As we're leaving, I hear something behind me. I turn around and there's this kid, just skin and bone, and he's looking up at us and he's scared half to death. Been hiding in a closet."
    The Courier: "What did you do?"
    Andy: "I go to grab him out of there and I notice he's holding something in his hand. Something metal. He shuts himself back inside the closet and that's when I see the grenade he's left by my feet. They do it a lot, the Legion. Using kids. They know we'll hesitate. Anyway, that was the first time. Second time I fell down those stairs in front of the motel. Just in case I got to thinking I'd put it all behind me."
    (Ranger Andy's dialogue)
  62. Craig Boone: "Mercy killing is expected of NCR snipers. The Legion likes to torture their prisoners within sight of NCR positions. We get called on to end it. I've had my share. Some of them, you think, maybe you could've gotten them out. Maybe it's not the Legion that got them killed. Maybe it's your orders and you following them."
    (Craig Boone's dialogue)
  63. Courier: "Do they deal with any caravans at all?"
    Rose of Sharon Cassidy: "There's some caravans that deal with the Legion, yes. And as much as it pains me to say it, any caravan marked by the Legion is safe as houses. They guard their roads, their supply lines - even Fiends would hesitate before going after any trader dealing with Legion."
    Courier: "You sound frustrated."
    Rose of Sharon Cassidy: "I am. If NCR took the same stand and committed patrols to the roads, then I think that'd solve a lot of their problems right there. But they don't. Caravans get butchered in the Mojave all the time, like mine. And so fucking close to Vegas, you could see it from the wall."
    Courier: "There must be good parts to the Republic."
    Rose of Sharon Cassidy: "NCR tries. It's just that trying doesn't mean a whole lot when you're paying your respects to the dead. And Legion, from what I've heard, they don't do the "stop tolls" on the roads or in the outposts like some NCR quartermasters do. You're lucky if you turn a profit sometimes if some new officer gets assigned a route, the fees just get worse."
    Courier: "Any other differences between Legion and NCR?"
    Rose of Sharon Cassidy: "Much as I hate the Legion, caravan life would be a hell of a lot easier if they ran the roads."
    (Rose of Sharon Cassidy's dialogue)
  64. Courier: "What do you mean?"
    Rose of Sharon Cassidy: "Some caravans deal with the Legion now because the security. If towns could get the same protection? A lot more tempting than you'd think. A bunch of people would be willing to side with the Legion to not have to worry about Fiends and Boomers and Powder Ganger attacks. It's not hard for some folks to sell freedom when the alternative is worse. Especially if being with NCR is going to get you on a Legion cross."
    (Rose of Sharon Cassidy's dialogue)
  65. The Courier: "[Legion] Being Frumentarii kept you from killing me in the past. You have no such defense now."
    Ulysses: "I believed in what I followed then. Kill no Courier, Caesar's words. I honored them. Other Couriers could have been Legion - like me. Now, our allegiances are reversed."
    (Ulysses' dialogue)
  66. Fallout: New Vegas endings for Great Khans, Fiends, and other local tribes and raider gangs.
  67. The Courier: "The trick is to rush the mine and press the blinking red light."
    Decanus Severus: "[SUCCEEDED] The light is a button that can interrupt detonation? {Humph!} We were too busy throwing ourselves to the ground to figure that out."
    (Decanus Severus' dialogue)
  68. Caesar's Hire
  69. Picus and Cottonwood Cove HQ
  70. The Courier: "You do know Caesar is dead, don't you?"
    Robert House: "By my calculations, his death will affect the shape of the battle for Hoover Dam minimally, if at all. The Legion's aggression will outlive Caesar. Indeed, they'll try to take the dam as a tribute to his memory. Given a year, they'd have him deified - but by then the Legion will be breaking down, riven by internal conflicts, a monster consuming itself. It's irrelevant. In the short term, the Legion is still monster enough that defeating it will make me look powerful indeed."
    (Robert House's dialogue)
  71. The Courier: "You don't think Lanius can lead the Legion?"
    Joshua Graham: "I think only Caesar can lead the Legion. I've never met anyone who could take his place. I couldn't. I never had a mind for logistics. I don't know Lanius, but from what I've heard, he has no interest in leading anyone unless it's in battle. No. The Legion dies with Caesar. What follows now are just the last steps of a man who does not yet realize that he's walking dead."
    (Joshua Graham's dialogue)
  72. The Courier: "What do you know about the Legion?"
    Marcus: "{contempt} {KAI-zar} Caesar thinks he can change human nature. Most of the Legion is following {KAI-zar} Caesar, not {KAI-zar} Caesar's ideals. When he's gone, it'll crumble. Might not happen overnight. Might take a few decades. But it'll happen. Basic human nature - greed, ambition, jealousy - will see to it."
    (Marcus' dialogue)


  1. 1.0 1.1 Joshua Sawyer on Forumspring February 8 2011: "What's the premise for Caesar's Legion being so sexist, esp. in a world where Ranger Stella can mangle bodies daily in the Arena? Is it just breeding issues? Cause even the abominably sexist Romans were not *that* sexist, and Caesar is a smart man.
    Breeding issues are pretty huge in cultures that took a big step back from infant mortality progress made in the last 100-200 years. Prior to the last few centuries, infant mortality was often around 50%-ish. Child mortality (prior to age 12) was about 60%. Those are pretty awful odds of reaching adulthood.
    Remember that Caesar's Legion is basically a roving army that continually breaks down and absorbs tribes that it conquers. That can only go on for so long, and Legionaries who are indoctrinated from birth are even more loyal than adolescents who are integrated. Breeding new generations of Legionaries is vital for the Legion's continued existence.
    Even though breeding is incredibly important in the Legion, there isn't any concept of family outside of the Legion's structure. All of the places where the player encounters the Legion are forward camps where direct military service is given the most weight and is of the most immediate importance. Because only males are involved in that service, they look down upon females even though it's incredibly short-sighted."
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 Fallout: New Vegas Official Game Guide Collector's Edition pp. 460-461: "True to Caesar"
    "Many years have passed, and by post-apocalyptic standards, Caesar's accomplishments have been prodigious. But the man's hunger for greatness has never been sated. Having assembled a loose nation of slavers and slaves, having won countless "wars" against inferior peoples, secretly he still feels like an upstart, an amateur-a barbaric King of the Gauls, instead of a lofty emperor of Rome.
    To advance, he needs two things: a Carthage and a Rome. In the NCR he has at last found a great adversary, against which he can wage a military campaign worthy of history books. (Indeed, worth teaching his subordinates how to read and write, so that future generations can read his own Commentarii.) And in Vegas, powered and watered by its great dam, he has found a capital worthy of, well, a Caesar. Contrary to the old saw, Rome will be built in a day. With that out of the way, the next step will be to proclaim his apotheosis. All good Roman emperors became gods, although that was usually done posthumously...
    Besides a (highly unlikely) military defeat, Caesar fears one thing only: exposure. The denizens of the wastes are too ignorant to realize that his entire empire is a grand act of plagiarism, but the Followers of the Apocalypse know exactly who he is and what he has done. Should his tribe discover that he cribbed the entire culture from books about ancient Rome, rather than having its customs dictates dictated to him by Mars...well, it's very unlikely that could happen. And he won't let it happen. That is why his forces have a standing order to kill all Followers of the Apocalypse on sight, and to brutalize all 'civilized' or learned captives and haul them before Caesar's interrogators. Those who make the mistake of saying, 'Hey, you guys, it's like you're emulating the ancient Roman empire,' end up as severed heads on poles."
    (Fallout: New Vegas Official Game Guide; Behind the Bright Lights & Big City)
  3. Fallout: New Vegas Official Game Guide Collector's Edition p. 461:
    "The boy, now a young man, sets out to explore the wastes as part of a nine-person expedition. He unearths a cache of literature about the ancient Roman Empire and encounters the historical figure of Caesar."
    (Fallout: New Vegas Official Game Guide; Behind the Bright Lights & Big City)
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 Fallout: New Vegas Official Game Guide Collector's Edition p. 41: "Caesar's Legion
    This horde of cruel, yet highly disciplined slavers has spread across the southwest like an all-consuming flame. Founded by a fallen member of the Followers of the Apocalypse, Caesar's Legion is effectively an enormous, conscripted slave army. As Caesar conquers the peoples of the wasteland, he strips them of their tribal identities and turns their young men into ruthless legionaries and women into breeding stock. Unlike the rag-tag Raiders back east, Caesar's "Legionaries" neither look nor act like haphazard, irregular troops. They are well organized, moving and attacking in large packs, and deliberately commit atrocities to terrorize those who might dare oppose them.
    True, Caesar is the perfect man. But he is not just a man: he is the Son of Mars, ordained by the god of war to conquer all Earth. To prepare the way, Mars razed the Earth, cleansed it with fire, and brought the weak and the wicked low; and now his son has come to deliver the wasteland from chaos and barbarism. To follow Caesar is to obey the will of Mars; to disobey is to condemn oneself to death. As the Son of Mars, Caesar has the divine right to demand servitude from all he encounters. Not everyone believes that Caesar is the product of a god's loins, of course. The most recently captured slaves tend to be pretty skeptical. But they aren't very vocal in their criticisms, and their children are raised not by skeptical parents but by priestesses appointed to that task by virtue of their knowledge of an adherence to the state religion.
    Nearly all physically capable, compliant males are compelled to serve in its armed forces. The primary value of pre-menopausal females is to serve as breeding stock (with Caesar or a legate governing how they are assigned to males), though they, like older females and less physically-capable men, are also used to perform a variety of other tasks. The largest unit of organization in Caesar's Legion is the Cohort, numbering about 480 infantrymen. Cohorts are further divided into Centuriae, which contrary to their name numbers about 80 men, and each Centuriae is divided into ten "tent groups" (Contubernia), making this the squad level of organization. Raiding parties are of this size (about eight men) and will be led by a decanus (a squad leader, basically). Caesar desires two things: a Carthage, and a Rome. In the NCR he has at last found a grand adversary, against which he can wage a military campaign worthy of history books. And in Vegas, powered and watered by its great dam, he has found a capital worthy of, well, a Caesar. Contrary to the old saw, Rome will be built in a day. All it takes is plentiful slave labor, and Caesar has that in spades."
    (Fallout: New Vegas Official Game Guide faction profiles)
  5. Joshua Sawyer on Formspring May 12, 2012
  6. J.E. Sawyer (source): "Edward Sallow created Caesar's Legion as an imitation of the Roman Legion, but without any of the Roman society that supported the Roman Legion. I've written this before, but there are no optimates, no populares, no plebes, no equestrians, no patricians, no senate, no Rome. There's no right to private property (within the Legion itself). There's no civil law. There aren't even the ceremonial trappings of Roman society. Legates don't receive triumphs following a victory. No one in the Legion retires to a villa in Sedona.
    It's essentially a Roman legion with only the very top commander having any connection to the "source" culture, the rest being indoctrinated conscripts from cultures that were honestly less well-developed than anything in Gaul. Gauls are pretty sophisticated compared to the 80+ tribes. Gauls could read the Latin or Greek alphabets (Gallic language, obviously), had extensive permanent settlements, roads, calendars, mines, and a whole load of poo poo that groups like the Blackfoots never had.
    What Caesar gave to those tribes was order, discipline, an end to internecine tribal violence (eventually), common language, and a common culture that was not rooted in any of their parent cultures. The price was extreme brutality, an enormous loss of life and individual culture, the complete dissolution of anything resembling a traditional family, and the indoctrination of fascist values.
    Caesar's Legion isn't the Roman Empire or the Roman Republic. It isn't even the Roman Legion. It's a slave army with trappings of foreign-conscripted Roman legionaries during the late empire. All military, no civilian, and with none of the supporting civilian culture."
  7. J.E Sawyer: "Yes, he does suggest that. He says that when the Legion dominates NCR, it will be akin to the rise of the Roman Empire following the republic. The Legion will become, if not a "peace" force, a domestic army instead of a roving war band, and the NCR's corruption will be swept away along with the government. Arcade isn't exaggerating when he suggests that Caesar views the Colorado River as his Rubicon. It's true that Caesar doesn't say anything explicitly about the role of women, but Caesar's view of women is different from most of the legionaries. As I wrote above, the Legion is at war, and he views the use of women for military purposes as a bad strategic choice when he could be using them to create more legionaries."
    (Somethingawful forums)
  8. J.E Sawyer (Regarding Caesar's plans): "Yes, he views the Colorado River as the Rubicon and the NCR as the corrupt Roman Republic waiting to be torn down via military occupation. This is literally exactly what Julius Caesar did with Legio XIII Gemina. Other things Julius Caesar did: not leave a clear line of succession, resulting in the early fracture and borderline collapse of the nascent Roman Empire he created."
    (Somethingawful forums)
  9. J.E Sawyer: "In Caesar's view, NCR's problems have to do with the corruption of its government and what he sees as inherent flaws in NCR's republican system. All of the strategies he uses to assemble the Legion and march on NCR are means to an end, not social end goals themselves. Caesar sees NCR as Rome and his role in reforming it as Julius Caesar's role in reforming the republic (by turning it into a dictatorship). When Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon and returned to Rome, his legion didn't rape and enslave their way through the city. However, rape and enslavement were common in outer territories of the Roman Empire and were regularly used as tools of intimidation and labor. When Arcade "jokes" that Caesar thinks that the Colorado River is the Rubicon, he's not far from the truth."
    (Somethingawful forums)
  10. Joshua Sawyer on Formspring, responded to TraderTanger on October 25, 2011: "On Caesar- If he is only interested in protecting women from war, why are they not given the same personal freedom as soldiers? It's one thing to not allow them to serve out of preservation, but EVERYTHING points to all Femalegionares being slaves.(cont.)"
    "Soldiers in Caesar's Legion don't have personal freedom. They "get" to fight and die for Caesar. It's not a volunteer military, though many legionaries are born or raised into it, so they are effectively brainwashed."
    Note: http://spring.me/JESawyer/q/253210513125676636 This was originally on Formspring but it was not able to be archived before it disappeared. It was found on rpgcodex.net on 1/29/20, it was saved by a diligent internet archivist/follower. Thank you for saving these!
  11. Joshua Sawyer on Formspring October 28, 2011: "Sawyer, it's not that childbirth is lowly, it's that being *raped* against your will and forced to carry children is hardly good times. + a pacifist stance doesn't translate well into a setting for a FPS where every level brings shiny new killing methods.
    I never said it's "good times". What I object to is elevating slave legionaries to the level of (patrician) Roman legionaries in an effort to emphasize how women alone have it bad and men are living the high life. They both have crappy lives, neither have a choice in the matter, and I'm not particularly interested in weighing the depths of misery by sex."
  12. October 28, 2011: "One token Nazi medal for pure aryan mothers hardly balances the the vast, VAST majority of male-dominated civilizations throughout history that have treated women as sub-human or property. Men in the Legion have power, women don't have any.
    Why are people so obsessed with the "balance" between the different gendered roles under the Legion? I've never said it's balanced. But there is very clearly a trend among people questioning the Legion to project the concept of military service as a noble endeavor (for which one is rewarded, no less) onto legionnaires when it's never presented in that way. They are slave soldiers. Service is not voluntary, they can't retire, there are no parades and pats on the back for them. They aren't Roman patrician officers who are going to retire to a Tuscan estate when they turn 50.
    The only power that male legionaries have is to serve Caesar well enough to be promoted to a position of more responsibility. Nothing really comes with that additional responsibility other than increased scrutiny and better equipment (to match the increased danger).
    Most of my commentary on this topic has been to highlight the following:
    • Caesar's Legion is subdivided (by Caesar) based on gendered/sexed roles. These subdivisions are sexist (inherently), but they are neither misogynistic nor misandric.
    • Legionaries under Caesar are not like Roman patrician officers. They are not part of a larger society that celebrates and rewards military service with things like conference of honorific titles, triumphs, etc. All legionaries are slave soldiers, period.
    • The opinions of individual legionaries are not the opinions of Caesar. These individuals may make misogynistic comments, but those comments did not originate with Caesar, nor is there any reason to believe that he shares them, given his willingness to employ a female courier.
    If you want to weigh the individual horror of rape and forced child-bearing against forced military service for life, knock yourself out. It's two terrible ways to go through life."
  13. no ghouls or supermutants in ceasars legion....explain
    Joshua Sawyer: It's hard to brainwash people who have been alive for a hundred+ years. More importantly, non-feral ghouls and SMs are also a tiny fragment of the population. Caesar doesn't really consider them to be that relevant in the overall struggle for the Mojave.
  14. Joshua Sawyer on Formspring May 12, 2012: "Even in ancient Rome's slave-based economy the majority of people weren't slaves. Is that the case with the Legion and is that what you wanted to show with additional Legion locations?
    The additional Legion locations would have had more traveling non-Legion residents of Legion territories. The Fort and Cottonwood Cove made sense as heavy military outposts where the vast majority of the population consisted of soldiers and slaves. The other locations would have had more 'civilians'. It's not accurate to think of them as citizens of the Legion (the Legion is purely military), but as non-tribal people who live in areas under Legion control.
    While Caesar intentionally enslaves NCR and Mojave residents in the war zone, most of the enslavement that happens in the east happens to tribals. As Raul indicates, there are non-tribal communities that came under Legion control a long time ago. The additional locations would have shown what life is like for those people.
    The general tone would have been what you would expect from life under a stable military dictatorship facing no internal resistance: the majority of people enjoy safe and productive lives (more than they had prior to the Legion's arrival) but have no freedoms, rights, or say in what happens in their communities. Water and power flow consistently, food is adequate, travel is safe, and occasionally someone steps afoul of a legionary and gets his or her head cut off. If the Legion tells someone to do something, they only ask once -- even if that means an entire community has to pick up and move fifty miles away. Corruption within the Legion is rare and Caesar deals with it harshly (even by Legion standards).
    In short, residents of Legion territories aren't really citizens and they aren't slaves, but they're also not free. People who keep their mouths shut, go about their business, and nod at the rare requests the Legion makes of them -- they can live very well. Many of them don't care at all that they don't have a say in what happens around them (mostly because they felt they never had a say in it before the Legion came, anyway)."
  15. Joshua Sawyer on Formspring May 12, 2012
  16. Joshua Sawyer on Formspring May 12, 2012
  17. Joshua Sawyer on Formspring May 12, 2012
  18. Joshua Sawyer on Something Awful Forums: "Gold and silver have low melting points. They don't need to mine for it if they find it in some other form."
  19. "Unlike Pre-War money, Legion Money and NCR Money are not affected by the Barter skill. I.e. $5 NCR is always worth 2 caps and a Legion Aureus is always worth 100 caps. I don't think I ever suggested some Bardi-esque currency inflation/speculation gameplay, just that the different factions had different forms of currency and that each was 'backed' differently: caps are water-backed by Hub merchants due to the decline of the inflated NCR fiat currency and Legion money is not 'backed' at all, but of value due to the use of commodity rare metals. The currencies are there for flavor and to reflect something larger about the societies that use them." J.E. Sawyer
  20. See Aeternitas page on Wikipedia.
  21. J.E. Sawyer: "rape during Legion military action isn't meant for breeding, but for terrorism."
  22. Fallout: New Vegas 10th Anniversary Charity Stream (reference starts at 5:05:37)
    Joshua Sawyer: "'Where did the Legion find all the football equipment?' From the University of Arizona. I don't know if that's actually explicitly stated anywhere, but yes, they got it from... uh... they got it from the University of Arizona."
  23. Fallout: New Vegas 10th Anniversary Charity Stream
  24. Fallout: New Vegas 10th Anniversary Charity Stream
  25. Fallout: New Vegas 10th Anniversary Charity Stream
  26. Fallout: New Vegas 10th Anniversary Charity Stream
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