Quick walkthrough[edit | edit source]
|Side Quest: Bye Bye Love|
|Talk to Joana with a medicine check or speech check, alternatively talk to Carlitos with a speech check.|
|Talk to Joana and Carlitos, respectively from the previous step, to finalize their escape plans.|
|(Optional) Find the two guns-for-hire that owe Carlitos a favor to help in the escape.|
|Meet up with Joana between 12AM and dawn in the casino.|
|Travel to Freeside with Carlitos and Joana.|
|Survive the ambush with Carlitos and Joana alive.||Dissuade the assailants with a strength check, speech check or barter check.|
|Talk to Carlitos.|
|Talk to Joana.|
|Reward: 1000 caps|
|Leads to: How Little We Know|
Detailed walkthrough[edit | edit source]
The quest can be triggered by speaking to Joana or Carlitos, who reside in the Gomorrah casino and hotel (in the courtyard) and the Vault 21 hotel (in the mess hall), respectively. To activate the quest with Joana, pass a Medicine (50) or Speech (75) check to initiate dialogue that will eventually have Joana talk about Cachino and Carlitos. She will offer 200 caps or sexual services for taking the quest (the second option is only available if the player character is male, or a female with the Cherchez La Femme perk). If one cannot meet either check, they can talk to Carlitos, who only needs a Speech (50) to find out about why he left the Omertas and Joana. Carlitos will give the player character 200 caps upon accepting the offer to help him and another 200 upon completion.
The first part of the quest involves ferrying messages between Carlitos and Joana. After some running back and forth, the Courier can agree to help Joana and two of her fellow prostitutes escape to Freeside to join Carlitos; the agreement being to wait until between 12AM and dawn, Gomorrah's busiest hours, before attempting the escape. Carlitos advises the Courier to get some backup before attempting the escape, as Carlitos knows two guns-for-hire that owe him a favor. This gives the Courier the option to recruit Big Beard and Little Beard, who are located in the Atomic Wrangler casino. Once the Courier is ready, they need only speak to Joana, who will then change outfits and walk to the casino floor where the other two prostitutes are waiting. Talking to Joana once she arrives causes all three to run to the meeting point in Freeside, which is down the first side street outside the Strip gate.
Once the player character meets up with the hired guns and Carlitos, four Omerta thugs will ambush the group. Either go into combat with them, or talk them into leaving with one of three checks: Strength (8, 9), Speech (75, 85) or Barter (85 with 500 or 75 with 1000 caps). Carlitos and Joana must survive the confrontation, otherwise the quest will fail. If successful, Carlitos will thank the Courier and ask if there is a way to repay the kindness. From here, there is a choice between receiving 200 caps or accepting a simple "thank you" for good karma. Alternatively, if the Courier talked to Carlitos first and they have a high enough Barter skill (65), they can get another 400 caps on top of the 200 at the start.
From here Joana will thank the Courier and mention a sinister plot she's heard about from Cachino about the Omertas. The How Little We Know quest will initiate if it has not already been activated.
Quest stages[edit | edit source]
Notes[edit | edit source]
- Completing How Little We Know will instantly fail this quest regardless of its resolution.
- Despite the sense of urgency upon reaching Freeside with the girls, following them to Carlitos isn't necessary.
- After dealing with the ambush and saying goodbye to Carlitos and Joana, the group will all exit Freeside via the Freeside gate near King's School of Impersonation. Once they have used the gate, all of the group appear to disappear, including the disguised girls and Big and Little Beard (if the Beards have been hired).
- Carlitos, Joana and the rest of the group disappear from the game after finishing the quest if they stay alive, despite the fact that Carlitos and Joana have dialogue proposing that the Courier can meet them afterward. If one quickly talks to Joana or Carlitos after dealing with the Gomorrah thugs, or if they re-enable Joana, she will say "I am happy to see you again. Carlitos and I have been living here since our escape." This may suggest that Carlitos and Joana were originally intended to eventually find a new home after escaping.
- Killing any Omerta thugs might cause this quest to become unable to complete, since Joana might turn hostile (it is possible to take out all the guards and still able to continue this quest).
- The wait function cannot be used in the Gomorrah's main lobby while waiting on Joana to approach the two disguised hookers.
- If the Wait function is used while Joana is waiting with the other girls, the quest will fail.
- Even if they have been escorted to Carlitos, waiting will still make this quest fail.
Behind the scenes[edit | edit source]
Bugs[edit | edit source]
- PC When the Omerta thugs appear and turn hostile, they remain friendly to the player character and only attack Carlitos and the Beard brothers if present. This is because their dialogue script adds them to the Omerta faction after choosing a dialogue option that turns them hostile, instead of initiating combat.[verified]
- Xbox 360 After running back and forth a few times, the dialogue option to get Joana to run away might fail to appear. A high enough speech skill may be required in order to convince her. [verified]
- PC Playstation 3 When leading Joana and the disguised hookers outside the gate to Freeside, the Securitrons posted outside the gate can become hostile, attacking all included people. Killing them gives infamy for the strip but letting them kill Joana fails the quest. [verified]
- PC When Joana and the disguised hookers are waiting in the Gomorrah lobby the game can crash when exiting the strip, avoid this by allowing all four of them to leave first. [verified]
- PC Playstation 3 Xbox 360 After escorting Joana and the disguised hookers to Freeside; Carlitos might not appear making the quest un-completable when Joana, the disguised hookers, and the Omerta thugs stand around and do nothing. Killing the Omerta thugs won't work since Joana, and the disguised hookers, still need Carlitos to appear to advance the quest dialogue. Reloading the auto-save from entering Freeside can fix this. [verified]
- PC Xbox 360 Once the group reaches Freeside, the thugs that are supposed to interrupt the escape, sometimes won't appear. This can be bypassed by using the console command "setstage 00110a65 90" and talking first to Carlitos once (before or after the command), then to Joana. [verified]
- Playstation 3 If the player character fast travels to The Strip North Gate once leaving the Gomorrah Casino, as opposed to actually escorting Joana and the disguised hookers, one or both of the hookers can glitch into the gate itself. This does not actually affect the quest as it's completed if Joana alone survives. [verified]
- Playstation 3 When escorting Joana and the disguised hookers past the Securitrons on the Freeside end of the gate to and from the strip, the game may suddenly crash, leading to a black screen before being booted to the Playstation Home screen as if one had quit the game. [verified]
- PC Playstation 3 Xbox 360 Carlitos and Joana won't appear in the game if the Courier has advanced far enough in the quest How Little We Know, even after starting conversation with both, making the quest impossible to complete. [verified]
- To fix this on PC, use the following console commands: For Carlitos: prid 0011f87a, resurrect, enable while standing in the same area of Vault 21 where he normally resides. For Joana: prid 112471, enable, moveto player while standing in the Gomorrah courtyard.
- The downside of this method is that once the Courier has escorted her and the disguised hookers out of Gomorrah, they may not move. A solution to this is to start combat with Joana, leave Gomorrah, then go back in and restart dialogue with her. After that, exit Gomorrah, enter Freeside, and Joana and the disguised hookers should appear, resuming the quest.
- So far there isn't a way to fix this on consoles, as there are no console commands, except by reloading another previous save, but the bug might repeat.
- PC Sometimes when Joana and the hookers are waiting in the Gommorah lobby, Joana will give the dialog for after the Courier has slept with her. There is no known fix for this bug.