Enclave

Something that’s always bugged me about the vanilla game of Fallout 4 is how the Institute gets wiped out in every ending but their own. Especially considering how destroying it, undermines the operations of the other factions. Wouldn’t the Railroad want to preserve the birthplace of the species that they want to give equal rights? Wouldn’t the Minutemen want to use the healthcare system of the Institute to support the poorer areas of the commonwealth? And wouldn’t the Brotherhood want to keep a powerhouse like the Institute functional to extend their influence?

In fact, why didn’t the Brotherhood just conquer Raven Rock, Adams AFB, and other Enclave strongholds instead of blowing them to bits and scavenging what was left? Alternatively, why couldn’t an armistice be negotiated with Colonel Autumn after the final confrontation?

I mean, you could make and break alliances between factions in New Vegas, shouldn’t other games allow you to do the same? Mods shouldn’t have to explore these possibilities, but unfortunately, they’re gonna have to.

Speaking of mods, there’s two in my load order that can lead to very different outcomes. One has the Institute and Railroad forming an alliance (which the Minutemen can join) and assuming control over the Brotherhood through a synth Elder Maxson or a reprogrammed Danse that can become Elder with another mod. The other one is America Rising 2, which can turn the next-gen update remnants into allies with the help of another mod. De facto control can be assumed over the Institute as well, by murdering it’s leadership. The former mod sounds more appealing, given that more people survive, but the Brotherhood might fracture under a synth’s leadership, leading to a bloody civil war. And I think there’s a possibility the Enclave will let me reform the Institute as the Director (with the help of the first mod). But I’ll have to accept that the Brotherhood is a lost cause.

What do y'all think?

Got myself some HellFire Power Armor doing one of the miscellaneous quests in FallOut 4 ☺️🤝💯💯💯 this power armor sure can take a lot of damage

Don´t get me wrong, I loved the series. But after seeing how much lore it meddles with got me thinking that there had to have been ways around this. So I've drawn up some alternatives that I may not have backed with enough of the pre-existing lore. I´ll try to make it as lore friendly as I can. Let´s get started.

First, I´d find an entirely different setting than California, but it´d still be close to Nevada so Hank wouldn't have to trek too far to reach New Vegas. I´d pick a place closer to the commonwealth or the capital wasteland, but we all know we want to see the mojave wasteland in live action. Also, it´d scrap the need for an explanation on why the Master didn´t bother with Vaults 31, 32, 33, and 4. In the reimagining, the Fallout Tv series would be taking place in the north part of Wyoming. That way, more ambiguity is left over whether the great khans or the white legs would ever settle down there. Additionally, the Prydwen will not make a cameo so as to leave more ambiguity over the fate of the commonwealth conflict.

Then comes the characters. Since Shady Sands is not destroyed, Maximus´ background will be different. He will still be an NCR citizen, just not one that lived in Shady Sands. Instead, he’ll be the son of a brahmin baron in Wyoming. But he’d be forced to leave when the Legion tore through his town, and he’d be hunted down by legionary recruits. Those recruits would be shot dead by Brotherhood paladins. Thus, cementing a long-term hatred for the NCR for a lack of protection.

The Ghoul would be in the early stages of turning feral, and there would be scenes that highlight this change. I don’t have much else planned for him, but we can agree that an anti-feral drug is kinda stupid.

In favor of breaking the tradition of family members leaving the vault to search for each other, Lucy and Hank will not be related. However, Norm will still be related to Hank. This is done so that there is a rivalry between Norm and Lucy to be considered for a future position as overseer. Lucy will try harder given that she’s not the daughter of Hank, and Norm will hardly try given his father’s status. That means when Lucy leaves the vault, she does so to prove herself to her fellow dwellers. And when Moldaver reveals Hank’s secrets, Lucy will be crushed by the fact that the man that inspired her conspired to bring about the apocalypse. Additionally, Norm would want to follow Lucy, but Rose (she’s alive in this reimagining) will keep him in the vault for fear of losing him to the wasteland as well.

Wilzig, instead of being an Enclave scientist would be a scribe for the West-coast Brotherhood who despises their hoarding of technology instead of using it to benefit others. So cold fusion is instead crafted in a BOS bunker, making Wilzig´s and Dogmeat´s eventual escape more complicated. Wilzig could make the laser turrets turn on the BOS members like in New Vegas. I make this change because it makes no sense for the Enclave to not send anyone after Wilzig despite their increased numbers and instead get the Brotherhood to do it. This way, the fight over cold fusion between the BOS and the NCR has more impact.

The company meeting that Barb and Bud hosted in the finale would be replaced by a meeting with what the Enclave was in pre-war times. The decision to nuke the world would make more sense given the Enclave’s beliefs and the resource wars. However, Mr. House would still get to make a cameo but it’d be a bit different. Frederick Sincliar wouldn’t get that botched cameo, it’s too inconsistent with who he was in the games. Anyways, in the reimagining, House would reach out to Cooper Howard and convince him to spy on his wife given her position with vault-tec. Once the wham line is pulled, he’ll hang up on Cooper and begin preparations for preserving Las Vegas.

Which leads us to New Vegas not being destroyed and the end credits not highlighting the devastation. Basically, I´m writing this because the lack of answers for the lore changes is screwing me big time. Maybe John Nolan and Bethesda have good reasons for these canon changes, maybe they don´t. And maybe this reimagining would appeal more to veteran fallout fans instead of newcomers, which could´ve limited it´s success. That´s my two cents.

Can the Enclave Paint from the new update be put on the Institute Laser weapons, and can it also be put on Virgil's Rifle? I can't find the info anywhere (though I managed to confirm it can be put on Synth Armor) and since I'm at school I sadly can't test it. Any information is appreciated!

So, I'm pretty sure that people who did Railroad and Institute playthroughs were shocked to see the Prydwen in 2296. More importantly, it seems as if the numbers of the Enclave and the West Coast Brotherhood have been bolstered. I believe that by 2296, the Brotherhood controls the Boston Commonwealth and allied themselves with the Minutemen to recruit settlers. As for the Enclave, it's safe to assume the remnants of the Institute fled with their archived information in tow and formed an alliance with the Enclave remnants. What remains of the Railroad could have joined up with the NCR, though I'm not sure if they'd see eye to eye. Of course, I could be wrong as well.

What direction do you all think season two will take?

I saw an apartment with an Enclave flag out side the window, I am 100% sure it was an Enclave flag, either way it's a bit weird to have the flag of a militia that massacres thousands of people 🤷

Fawkes, Randall Clark, The Mysterious Stranger, and (To an extent) Cooper Howard are some of the best characters in the whole Fallout Canon. When you first see and/or hear about them, you might believe that "Not another enemy" or "Who's This", yet you get whiplash when you see them being cool to you

Fawkes is an FEV experiment who's mind was safe from the mutation and coped with the loneliness after he discovered a working terminal left in the isolation room he was imprisoned in, making him able to extensively study history, literature, science and other subjects, as the book files gave him a wealth of knowledge and insight.

Randall Clark Lost almost everything from the war, but instead of attacking and raiding he helped protect the inhabitants of Zion with all his strength

The Mysterious Stranger Help's every single Vault Dweller from The Vault Dweller in Appalachia to The Sole Survivor in The Commonwealth and maybe to LA across over 185 years and instead to killing you and going on raiding hunt, he helps save the planet, entire nations, and regions against the Brotherhood, Institute, Enclave, Mutants, and other vault dwellers

Cooper Howard Also lost everything and also discovered the plan to Nuck all of the world by Vault-Tec and his own Wife, and even with faults he ultimately helped Lucy to go to the City of lights to Robert House

These characters are to me, the Vim! soda of this wasteland

Found this terminal locked door in mass pike tunnel east (just South east of Diamond City) with (Enclave?) X-02(?) power armor inside and some other stuff, can’t figure out how to get in.

I think it might be part of the Speak of the devil quest though

Think about it detroit being a major industrial industry city it would be fun we could re introduce the midwest enclave and brotherhood I know you can have Sh*t in Detroit but still it would be fun and the reason for Montana we could get more animals that are gouled that would be nice and in top of that I kind of want an actual air force base besides Adams

So, I’ve been looking at the human and FEV sections of this fandom and I’ve been wondering, am I thinking about this too much or am I missing something?

Alright, there are two types of humans right? Near-human and prime-humans. Near-humans are born in the wastes, being exposed to remnants of FEV and radiation from the Great War. Near-humans are damn near identical to prime-humans but their genetic makeup is a tad different to increase the gene pool variety.

Then there are the prime-humans, born in the vaults or Enclave stations. Prime-humans are direct descendants of US citizens, having their DNA not messed with by FEV or radiation.

That’s some background to help us out. Now it gets interesting. When Enclave president, Dick Richardson announces to the Chosen One that when Curling-13 is unleashed from the oil rig, it will kill off all remaining mutants and near-humans. Question is, why make it lethal to vault dwellers? He said himself that anyone born outside a vault or the oil rig is "near-human" and will be purged, but then you find out that not only some of the Arroyo tribals have died from the virus, but also some Vault 13 dwellers.

What for? Do they think the vault populations are gonna rat them out to the police for the murder of 99% of the human population? I also forgot to mention something to ya. It says in the human section that people who leave the vault and have children in a new tribe, the children are also considered to be prime-humans, like the Boomers in the Mojave Wasteland, who are descendants of the original Vault 34 population. Same thing with Vault City. Their descendants came from Vault 8. Did the Enclave only consider themselves to be the true successors of the US?

Then finally, we have the Chosen One, the child of the village elder, who herself is the daughter of the Vault Dweller and Pat, both from Vault 13.

Since the Chosen One is a descendant of the Vault Dweller, shouldn’t they be a prime-human? If so, they should be just fine!

I am sorry for going on a tangent about this but I was just replaying Fallout 2 and it just stuck with me for a couple of days. Is all this a lore thing I missed, lore that was added later or just a mistake made by the developers? I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking you guys! If you guys know something about this, please talk about it! It would really help me out.

Thanks to anyone who bothered to read these crazy ramblings!

Give your reasoning on why you like or dislike the Enclave, preferably a sentence or two.

I personally like the Enclave because they fed me and have some neat and tidy bases. Yeah their gear is cool but I could just kill ‘em it.