Arthur Maxson

Can anyone explain to me why Elder Arthur Maxson hates the Institute Organization so much I’m confused? 🤔

We know the East Coast Brotherhood has very little means to communicate with the original Brotherhood out west, in fact 3 mentioned how the Outcasts wished to make contact with the original Brotherhood to gain approval of deeming Elder Lyon’s and his followers as traitors to the cause and execute them immediately. But I wonder how they would view the Brotherhood we see in 4, they may approve of Arthur Maxson becoming Elder and as always protecting technology but I wouldn’t be surprised if they disapprove how Arthur made the East Coast brotherhood look no different than the Enclave viewing themselves to be the saviors of humanity and purging those that aren’t human.

Is is actually possible to get "Final Judgement" while on "The Nuclear Option"? I read that all you had to do was get a weapon that can disarm, and then go at him. So, I grabbed a curved ripper (plus I have 5 in big leagues) and hit him for about 15 minutes (just before you enter the Institute, after Prime put the hole in the ground) and then I started wondering if this was possible. So, is it?

I killed elder maxson and escaped alive and accidently quick saves so im stuck with them hating me i killed paladin danse the brotherhood is no more i took them all down so there are a few remaining brotherhood members alive. The old one who survived the recon squad i'm keeping him alive unless he turns agro.I'm the new elder i have elder maxson's coat so i'm the Elder Now.

I wish i had intimidation at that time so i didn't have to kill danse

What would happen if someone put Hancock and Maxson in a room together for a whole day?

Watched an old Shoddycast video on the subject just now and am curious if anyone else believes it could be canon. From what I know of lore wise, the instability between the Fallout 3 BOS, Outcasts and Western BOS makes me believe its possible. Also Arthur being based on the old Sword in the Stone, Lady in the Lake, Excalibur wielding King Arthur of legend seals it as a possibility for me. If its actually true, that gives even more reason to dislike Fallout 4s BOS for me. Thoughts?

In addition, what would you want him to be doing if he appeared in a future Fallout game?

I decided to put the most important people in the Hunger Games. Heres the events.

Cornucopia...or sonething

The Choosen One stabs Aradesh

Lone Wanderer fights with Owynn Lyons over a bag. Latter gives up

Caeser finds a bow and arrow

Arthur Maxon grabs a alcohol and a rag

The Sole Survivor grabs a shield

Kimball grabs a sword

Desdemona takes aspear

The Vault Dweller and Sarah fight for a bag. The former gives up

The Rest runs away

Day One

Sole Surivor, Tandia and the Choosen One get in a fight. Choosen One kills both

Preston Gravey sets an explosive off killing Dave, Dick Richardson, and Des

Benny injures himself

Farther sets an explosive off killing Lone Wanderer and Vault Dweller

Note: Only Obsidian and Interplay main characters are alive

Caeser peacefully fishes in the Colorado

Liberty Prime makes a slingshot

The Courier practices archery

Roger Maxon recieves food

Yes Man sprains his ankle while running from Mr. House

Kimball recieves medical supplies

Arthur Maxon practises archery

Lee Oliver thinks of California

Owynns Lyons camouflages

Ded List

Aradesh

Sole Survivor

Tandi

Dave

Dick Richardson

Desdemona

Lone Wanderer

Vault Dweller

16 remain

Night One

Liberty Prime destroys Sarah supply

Oliver, Courier, Owynn Lyons and Farther sleeps in shifts

Caeser's tumor proggeses and losses sight of where he is

Roger Maxon screams to the sky

Benny cooks food

Autumn, Choosen One, Kimball and Mr. House tell ghost stories

Yes Man and Roger decide to truce for the night

Preston Gravey asks the sky to help out another settlement

Day 2

Sarah Lyons throws a nife into Mr House screen/head

Lee Oliver claims a cave for the republic

Farther overhears Autumn and Roger talking

Choosen One questions his sanity

Liberty Prime overhears Benny and Yes Man talking, perfect concience

Arthur Maxon kills Preston after he repeatedly ask for him to help out another settlement on the Moon

Owynn Lyons begs for Kimball to kill him, Kimball keeps Owynn alive

Ded List

Preston Gravey, Commonwealth Minutemen

Mr House

14 remain

Night Two

Farther tries to sing himself to sleep

Liberty Prime attempts to start a fire

Yes Man convinces Caeser to snuggle with him

Oliver, Autumn, Courier and Sarah tell ghost stories

Choosen One quietly hums

Benny sleeps in the cold

Kimball destroys Roger Maxon supplies

Arthur is awonken by the ghost of Preston Gravey

Day 3

Yes Man and Sarah makes a wooden spear

Choosen One, Arthur and Benny hunts for other people, namely the courier

Lee Oliver questions his sanity

Liberty Prime, Caeser, and Kimball kills the courier outside Goodsprings and the Mojave was forever changed, to Benny sadness

Owynn Lyons again camouflauges

Farther explores the areana

Roger attacks Autumn but the latter escapes

Ded List

Courier

13 remains

Night Three

Farther and Liberty Prime tells stories about themselves to each other

Owynn (a good farther) bashes Sarah head with a mace

Benny and Caeser talks

Yes Man is awonken by the vengful spirit of Preston Gravey

Lee Oliver shoots a poision dart in the Choosen One neck, killing him/she

Roger and Arthur tells stories about themselves to each other

Autumn recieves medicine

Kimball climbs a tree

Day 4, My fingers are sore

Benny stalks Liberty Prime

Autumn practices archery

Both Arthur and Kimball sees fire rising

Yes Man discovers a cave

Lee fishes

Owynn searches for project Purity

Caeser and Farther work together

Roger goes hunting

Ded List

Sarah Lyons

The Choosen One

11 remain

Night 4

Lee Oliver sets off an explosive killing Arthur, Autumn, Yes Man and Caeser

Roger and Owynn decide to truce for the night

Kimball thinks of Hoover Dam

Farther sets up camp

Benny cries

Liberty Prime sleeps

The Feast

The starting area is restoked

Roger pushes Kimball of a cliff

Liberty Prime kills Benny

The rest don't go

Day 5

Farther dies of hypothermia

Owynn kills Roger Maxon

Lee Oliver explores the area

Liberty Prime goes hunting

Arean Event A army of Red Chinese invaders, invades

General Lee Oliver survives

Liberty Prime and and Owynn Lyons dies

Ded List R.I.P

Arthur Maxon

Augusta Autumn

Caeser

Yes Man

Aaron Kimball

Benny

Farther

Roger Maxon

Liberty Prime

Owynn Lyons

WINNER WINNER RADCHICKEN DINNER

OLIVER LEE FROM NEW CALIFORNIA HAS WON

[Warning: Potential Spoilers, mostly related to Fallout 4 and the Brotherhood of Steel]

Well, hello there! I hope this Post finds all of you in good health, and today I'd like to talk about my favorite Faction in Fallout: The Brotherhood of Steel, and I'll be covering the Fallout 4 take on them this time! Now with that being said, imminent bias incoming! Also a few spoilers, but I won't get into those for a little while. And this is by no means saying anyone has to disagree with me, I welcome free thought! The Brotherhood isn't for everyone, I understand that ^_^

So I guess I'll start with why I like the Brotherhood. So it really begins with Warhammer 40,000! The Space Marines are clad in Power Armor and the coolest weapons, and zealously kill all the enemies of Humanity. Does that ring any bells? If I squint and drink a few shots of bourbon I can see the Brotherhood of Steel fitting in perfectly as a Chapter of Space Marines!

But exactly who are the enemies of Humankind, you might be asking? Well at least in the setting of Fallout I perceive the enemies being: Super Mutants, Feral Ghouls, Raiders, and the local wildlife! With Fallout 4's introduction of the Institute, I always see the Synths falling into the enemy category. Basically? Anyone who isn't us. The Wasteland is nothing less than a warzone, and I know who I want to win!

Now where we can find these enemies to Humanity is as simple as stepping outside the Vault for the first time! Immediately we see how hostile the area has become, coming face to face with irradiated insects and mole rats. It would be easy to see how important it is that the common people are protected against such threats! Which is where the Brotherhood comes in, time and time again.

When something goes wrong, it seems like the Brotherhood of Steel is always there on the forefront! Or at the very least they're a supporting group. From the first Fallout game all the way to 76, they've been with us nearly every step of the way. When things seem bad, they keep on fighting! Because 'Ad Victoriam' is more than just a motto, it's a way of life. It has to be, because the enemies are many and they will not show mercy.

So that's how I see the Brotherhood, they are soldiers at their core! Not Saints like the Minutemen, not callous Scientists like the Institute. Something in between, they are cold and hard while still being our protectors. And of course they can't do this alone! Like I said, there's a lot of dangerous things out there and resources are scarce. Even the mightiest army still needs to eat, and that's where donations from the Settlements (usually owned and protected by me under the Minutemen) comes in!

So where's the schism? I mostly see players against the discrimination they see in the Brotherhood. And if that was true, I'd agree! However I don't see the Brotherhood of Steel being rude...but prepared. Let's take a look at three enemies of theirs: Feral Ghouls, Super Mutants, and Synths.

1. Ghouls, even the non-feral ones, can always turn crazy. Now I don't know about you, but I couldn't trust sleeping in a bunk when the guy above may or may not want to eat me in the morning. That's just being careful not to like Ghouls, at least so long as they're the ticking time-bombs that they are!

2. Super Mutants, aside from limited interactions like Fawkes and Strong, are more likely to bash a human's head in for fun than chat. And even Strong wholly wants the destruction of our race, he doesn't keep it a secret! If anything was kill on sight, it'd be these guys. Is it capable for a Super Mutant to be good? Sure, but why take the chance?

3. Synths are created by the Institute, the main enemy of the Brotherhood in Fallout 4! Given that we don't fully understand them even to this day, not trusting them makes total sense to me. Who knows if they can be switched to go Terminator-mode? Or if they are rigged to explode randomly? Even after the Institute is taken care of there's just too many variables to consider!

Now onto another valid concern, the infamous Blind Betrayal quest! So be warned: spoilers ahead. I've already admitted that I like the Brotherhood, but a lot of that is due to their leader- Arthur Maxson! And the reasons I like him are simple: He's a man of his word.

I've already talked about why the enemies that the BoS target are potentially dangerous, though I welcome discussion on the matter! But if we accept that they can harm humanity, then Brotherhood's goal as soldiers is simple: Destroy them. We learn later on that Danse, possibly the closest living embodiment of the Brotherhood of Steel that I can think of, is a Synth.

He's a good soldier. He recruits many of us into the Brotherhood. He gives us a purpose to fight for. He's even in the inner-circle of Maxson himself! But he's still a Synth. And in war there can be no double standards. So with what I believe is a heavy heart, Maxson orders us to take care of it. Not because he or I want to, but because we must.

Admittedly you can spare Danse, and I always do. I talk Maxson out of the execution for one simple reason: I see Danse as a comrade. Synth or not, he risks his life time and time again to protect those under his command! So for this I think he has earned the right to live on, in exile, away from the Brotherhood. But for all the speeches and proclamations that Maxson does, he sticks to his guns. His enemies are Super Mutants, Feral Ghouls, and Synths. And none, not even his friends, are spared.

So this is getting pretty long, and I apologize for that! I really do want to hear what others think! Are you Pro-Brotherhood, are you against them? Did you like them more before or after Blind Betrayal? Which iteration of your favorite? And if you got this far, thank you for reading and have an awesome day! AD VICTORIAM

The Brotherhood are the strong man of the wastes, they harness their sword against Super Mutants, Ghouls, the Institute, and the Enclave! However, are they the best for the Commonwealth wasteland?

Like how they took Arthur Maxson and Doctor Li, and reintroduced them.

So im gonna say something. Comment if you agree. I think Elder Maxon is the most Badass person i have ever seen... I don't know this scar is so... Like complete he's character. Lol im so confused right now

Many of us know of the Brotherhood Outcasts, the band of renegades led by Paladin Henry Casdin (later ranked Protector) who split from the Lyons Brotherhood of Steel in 2277. Many of us also know how the Brotherhood likes to operate, with chapters being able to interpret their beliefs as they wish on the condition that they fulfil their mission.

The Brotherhood Outcasts split from the main force because they felt that Owyn Lyons had "gone native", and that they were not carrying out their mission.

"The Brotherhood came out here to recover technology from the eastern cities and bases. If Lyons won't do it, then we will."

-Henry Casdin

The Brotherhood Outcasts left the Citadel and took a vast array of technology with them, considered stolen by the Lyons Brotherhood. Despite the Brotherhood's official stance on the Outcasts, we see in the Citadel that a few are actually sympathetic of Outcast views. We further see in the future that many members of Maxson's Brotherhood in 2287 had some pretty harsh views on Lyons.

"I'm proud to be serving under Elder Maxson. I had enough of Lyons and his foolish ways." -Brotherhood Dialogue (Fallout 4)

The Brotherhood Outcasts, as far as we know, were eventually let back into the Brotherhood in the Capital Wasteland when Arthur Maxson negotiated with them.

Many of the Brotherhood Outcasts felt that the wastelanders should be left to their fates, as it was not the duty to protect every local settlement.

"We didn't worry about saving individual communities. We worried about saving the progress of humanity itself." -Henry Casdin

They felt their express duty in the Capital Wasteland was to collect technology.

"After all, they say, everyone knows how to make another human, but the secrets to making a P94 Plasma Rifle are all but lost" -Owyn Lyons

The Brotherhood Outcasts disobeyed orders from their Elder, an act of treason, however they did so with the intention of regaining contact with the Elders back West.

"And when we resume contact with the Western Elders, Lyons is going to be put in his place. Even if that place is in front of a firing squad"

-Henry Casdin

The Elders back West have arguably more authority than Lyons, with the High Elder being absolute. The Outcasts did not betray them. In fact, it can be stated by the Head Scribe that actually it was Owyn Lyons that disobeyed orders and was not true to the Brotherhood's mission.

"He's in charge of this detachment, yes. He's not in charge of the Brotherhood. As loyal as I am to the man, I can't overlook the fact that he disobeyed orders, and it cost us. The West Coast cut us off completely, once they saw what was going on. So now we're on our own. No communications, no reinforcements." -Reginald Rothchild

So, we have a force that disobeyed a disobedient Elder on the grounds of principle and loyalty to their organisation's core beliefs. They are not ostracised or called traitors by the overarching Brotherhood chain of command back West. We see that the Brotherhood have beliefs concerning protecting humanity and its progress, but also that they have a duty to preserve and protect technology from abuse. The latter usually takes precedent in most cases of Brotherhood chapters, with Brotherhood soldiers believing they are indirectly saving humanity and its future.

In this way, the Brotherhood Outcast splinter faction could be seen as a more comparable representation to the West Coast Brotherhood.

When asked about the original Brotherhood back West, Casdin has this to say:

"We were collecting still-glowing embers from the ashes of humanity, before civilisations fire died completely."

We see in 2287 that Arthur Maxson takes many lessons of compassion and duty from Lyons, having been fostered by him. However, we also see the Brotherhood in Fallout 4 behaves much more like the Outcasts, with reminiscient "Black and Red" armour. Their members show a more gruff, no nonsense approach and are dismissive of those who are not Brotherhood, very much like the Brotherhood Outcasts.

"If you're not Brotherhood, you're nothing".

-Brotherhood Dialogue if you have not joined (Fallout 4)

However, one could argue that in an army, this is an act of desertion. Also, if members were allowed to leave and form different groups whenever they didn't agree with their Elder, the Brotherhood chapters would struggle to exist.

So, my question to all of you is, what do you think of this? Do you think that the Brotherhood Outcasts were justified? Do you support or condemn their actions? Do you also agree with the fact that they were let back into the Brotherhood, and that some traitors might be lurking amongst the Brotherhood in Fallout 4?