I know there's been plenty of discussions over which faction should manage the Mojave. And in many of them, there's been people who have claimed that the NCR is no worse than the legion. I'll admit, the corruption, incompetence, and the fact that assholes get most of the credit in an NCR ending is highly off putting for me. And I think that if the NCR is to quickly reform, then they should fail in the Mojave (preferably at the hands of the Courier, since House is a dictator). But honestly, it's disturbing how many pro-legion players there are. I mean, they're a very half-baked faction, whose quests amount for 1/3 of NCR/House/Independent quests. Then there's the fact that these people try to justify the legion's crimes, or paint them in a better light. I don't know, maybe I'm reading into things too deeply. Anyone got anything else to add?
I've lived my whole life under their rule. Your arguments are their arguments.
Fallout is a post apocalyptic landscape due to strong nations that developed into nuclear powers, warred with each other and nuked most of the known world. *Vaut-Tec might have had a hand in it too.* Seems like a bad idea to run back the system that played a hand in turning the world into a post apocalyptic landscape. You say a nation spreading itself, I say a potential empire aggressing/invading onto peaceful people. To each their own.
Healthcare - Hell if I know which is better. What is apparent, that there will be healthcare in the Mojave; regardless who wins.
Security - You left out the part that people would be allowed to protect themselves and/or hire people for that.
Equality - Those are still unfortunately going to happen whomever is ruling.
Culture - There will be culture no matter who wins. You seem to value the NCR's culture above any other culture that is or could be in the Mojave. Fair enough.
Opportunity - The NCR's biggest problem isn't even to do with their own govt or society, it's that New California's prewar resources are nearly exhausted and pushing the nation towards constant expansion. Just how structured is this NCR society? Seems like it is falling apart unless it can take from others. That makes the NCR a predator and its citizen's opportunities are scavenging off of the NCR's kills.
All those things can be done without coercion.
Score one for the NCR.
Doesn't look so good for those NCR dudes on the TV show.
Generally speaking. BoS > NCR. **We shall see in the TV show though.**
^Oh yes, praise the brotherhood. The faction that thinks they have a right to everything from an E-cell to a reactor. The faction that's extremely racist towards non-feral ghouls. The faction that is willing to kill one of their own just because he turned out to be a member of a race who's only fault is being forced into a quarter-baked plan to fix the surface. Let's face it, no faction is without a little blood on their hands, and no faction is fully capable of rebuilding the world, much less America. And hey, I don't know about you, but I find it hard to consider the tv show canon due to its treatment of the west. I mean, the Bethesda Fallout games in general have taken broad strokes. Some good, others weird, and some that make the lore more convoluted than it should be. That's not to say I don't like them, I just feel like they're pieces that don't quite fit into a larger puzzle. I'm not pushing my Fanon discontinuity onto others, but you're clearly pushing a "democracy is bad" agenda.
All those things ARE being done without coercion in the NCR.
Democracy is Mob Rule. The minority is at the mercy of the majority. Democracy is super neat for the majority and not so super neat for the minority.
Dude. Taxation is coercion.
@HeWhomForgetsPasswords Dude, please don't get this post locked like you did with that last post. And aren't you being hypocritical? You claim that the Yes Man ending is the best ending, but you said previously that all four pathways lead to failure in the long run.
It's the post-apocalypse, beggars can't be choosers. When there is no good choice and only shitty choices, you have to take what you think is the least shitty choice.
I got a thread locked here? What did I say here that would get this locked?
I believe Yes Man to be a better option out of the 4. For it doesn't elevate a potential empire.
Yes. They will all fail. For they are all godless.
What about the Cult of Mars? The religion with the sole purpose of brainwashing men into thinking of Caesar as the son of a god. So they do have a god (but are still a fucked up faction). And what does being godless have to do with failure?
You know what, screw this, I'm logging off. Make your piece if you will, I'm not wasting anymore time arguing with you.
The CoM is really not good. Cultures that use human sacrifices aren't long for this world.
I made a mistake. They won't fail because they are godless. I shouldn't have used that word. My passions can get the better of me. For that, I'm sorry. Not just to you, but whomever else I offended.
All earthly kingdoms fail. For none of them are eternal.
The NCR would be better for X-amount of people; Worse for X-amount. You can swap out NCR with any of the other 3 factions. What those numbers are for the 4? I have no idea, dude. What is unique about, primarily Yes Man, is all the good/bad things that can happen. They are located in the Mojave/Vegas. With the NCR and Legion, good/bad things will scale along with their growth. Which is, everything in their borders and what their borders touch. *A Dad Farmer Joke; I don't want all the land, I just want all the land that borders my land.* A larger "tax base" allows any governing body to become bigger and more powerful. Which makes them dangerous. I'm more for decentralizing power rather than expanding it.
If one uses the justification that since the Mojave/NV {reason(s) x,y,z,} for "their safety," they should be under the flag of the Bear. That gives justification for NCR placing all the various groups/peoples/cultures that the NCR can get to under "their safety."
The NCR can go back to where they belong; New California. NCR and Mojave/NV can exchange trade with each other, which helps in preventing soldiers crossing borders. The Legion *The OG Old World Larp'ers,* can be smoked and Mr. House can have his true sleep. A roll of the dice, taking the chance that the Mojave/NV can govern themselves. They can't, bummer. For governing bodies using coercion will come back.
Legion is self explanatory with a bit of backstory, Mr house's ideas are cool but they dont really appeal to me, and NCR is great in theory and trash in practice, enrooted in corruption. I like to imagine an independent vegas that just ends up becoming like a state restoration or something
What do you think?