@Knife Maker It's not my law it's not even my brand of justice it's just how the Wasteland works. You think it moral and righteous to just spare those lives and walk away? They'll just murder, steal or rape the next person they meet. But anyways it's not about player choice it's not even about morality it's about survival and the fact that the Wasteland exists within an Anarchic state of existence.

Like I said cool mod and roleplay...But it wouldn't be realistic to the Post-Apocalyptic setting and Humanity is by it's nature self-destructive/depraved and cruel depiction of the Fallout series. It's an Idealist Utopic vision that takes away the themes and values the Fallout series intends to portray. I could see it fitting within the confines of California within the NCR territory but everywhere else most certainly not. Society in the Wasteland just hasn't evolved to believe all lives are sacred or that people can atone nor if they can't create a system of law that doesn't resort to killing.

But honestly I was hoping you could explain to me why you believe Maxon and/or the Brotherhood is sexist/misogynistic in your eyes despite all evidence to the contrary.

@FlamesOfChaos13 Fallout 2 also explores themes of gender disparity, that's how I know the NCR has it's own problems and not just the Mojave.

Also in 4 main entries and several spin offs there has never been one instance of a sane ghoul going feral without warning, especially not in the kind of numbers that would pose a threat to a human settlement. Most of the ghouls that lost it did so because they were driven into the dark corners of the earth and left to rot away by smoothskins. Talking of which, how a weak and ineffective insult with no weight, history or violent implications like "smoothskin" (that's more just an accurate description of anyone who has skin that's still smooth) indicates innate racism on the part of all ghouls is beyond me. "Well a guy was throwing rocks at a ghoul, calling him a corpse and threatening to burn his house down if he didn't leave town, but the ghoul turned around and said 'hey, back off smoothskin' so they're both as bad as each other." No, can't say I buy it.

You're not wrong about identity being a tertiary theme, but your interpretation of that theme is flawed. Not necessarily through any fault of your own, the game isn't very forthcoming with information after all. Also a tertiary theme is still a theme none the less, it's still important to the setting.

@FlamesOfChaos13 wow, thank you so much for your condescending reply! i know what's real and what's fiction. ugh, i'm tired of talking about this, i'm obviously either bad at explaining or you don't want to get it

@Wytchfynder No when I said insane I didn't mean just going Feral I meant like how other Humans go insane how anyone can go insane in the Wasteland. Also Smoothskin is still a label used to disassociate and proclaim separation from others based on something "racial" whether it's a term used to insult or not is irrelevant. The point there is Ghouls have in fact done terrible things too look at the Tenpenny Tower incident if you support them. The point is Ghouls are portrayed as no different from Humans in a philosophical or moral sense. Also I didn't say all Ghouls I simply stated that storylines have had Ghouls commit their own crimes against regular Humans which would naturally breed hatred and resentment. Hatred towards them doesn't come out of nowhere or considered inherently wrong within the setting. Nor is the Ghouls Hatred or Disposition towards regular Humans either.

If Racism is a major theme in Fallout...It's telling us that yes both sides are wrong and shitty doesn't matter who started it or why. That's a terrible perspective to portray.

Going mad and going feral really aren't that different. The chief Gustavo at Tenpenny Tower reckons Roy Phillips is half-way to feral and he's atleast partly right. Most humans tend to go pretty wrong in the Fallout universe when they're driven into subway tunnels, ghouls no less when they're rejected by humans that started the beef with their irrational fear of ghouls going randomly feral for no reason, as if you can trust a human not to snap and loose their shit any more than a ghoul.

The fact is Fallout explores prejudice and how it can be become a vicious cycle of radicalisation and violence, but it doesn't shy away from the material reality either. In the case of Tenpenny Tower, it's the desire on the part of the wealthy to insulate themselves from the reality of the wasteland that's the root of division. A common scenario in Fallout, all manner of prejudice in this series can be traced to wealth and power- a mere utility rather than a coherent ideology, one that serves only the already well served.

All four of you are crazy for caring enough to keep arguing this mess. 😂

I lost track of whatever the other threads of this conversation are a long time ago. In as far as the specific conversation I'm having with this user, there's probably more common ground than not. Just this particular user is quite keen and has gotten into three different debates in this one thread as far as I can tell.

I'm sorry but I got lost on this argument 😅

I think everyone did, lol

For real,lol.